Surviving Childhood Shaming by Warren Jeffs as an Alta Academy Student - Elise's Story Part 2
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In this compelling interview, we sit down with a courageous woman who shares her deeply personal and harrowing experience of being publicly shamed at just 12 years old by Warren Jeffs, the notorious leader of the FLDS church. At the time, Jeffs held a powerful position as the school principal of Alta Academy, where he subjected our guest to unimaginable humiliation. Join us as she recounts her journey of survival, resilience, and ultimately breaking free from the grip of an oppressive religion. Her story is a testament to the strength of the human spirit and a reminder of the importance of speaking out against abuse. Don't miss this powerful and eye-opening conversation.
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Warren needs a clock sent to him in prison.
You know, I agree. I should do that for myself 🙏🏻
We should take up a collection for the biggest clock to send.
I'm on it!
Yes!! He is a horrible person. Bless you Elise ❤
OR A PICTURE OF ONE AND WRITE HIS QUOTE ON IT
This reminds me of the Scarlet Letter, but with a child. So sorry this happened to you, Elise.
My heart ached listening to Elise’s experience with wsj. I didn’t think I could hate that despicable piece of Jeffs shit more than I already do. His absolute pleasure in torturing people, especially children, has always been plain to see.
I’m so very sorry you experienced this my darling girl. You’re so very precious.
Oh honey, I'm so sorry you had to endure such humiliation. I wish I could give you a big hug! God will tend to him.
I don't believe that Warren is insane. Using the word 'insane' insinuates that he couldn't help his actions. Warren 100% knew and knows what he is doing. He completely lacks empathy, he's a cruel narcissistic psychopath. He absolutely gets off on the way he psychologically tortures people.
Elise, you are an absolutely incredible woman. I am so sorry for your experiences as a child. I wish you nothing but love and healing 💫
Thank you for your kind words of support 🙏🏻 I completely hold him accountable to all of it! Not that restitution will ever be a thing, but I can process it all and let it go of what has been holding me back.
I actually think he is not "normal". I guess Jeffs is not only a narcissist, maybe even has Narcissistic Personality Disorder, which is far worse than just being a narcissist, it's a severe, incurable mental illness. But he probably is also a sociopath and/or a psychopath. Somebody who has anti social behaviour, doesn't have the ability to put himself into the place of others, can't imagine how others feel and enjoys hurting others in various ways. He is severely mentally ill, I think, but not in a way that he couldn't be punished for the evil things he did.
It’s the culture, and it’s so very hard to understand why parents wouldn’t stand up to the bully that Warren was. The culture was what scared her parents into submission, and the fear that their family would loose their eternal blessings. I’m so sorry this happened to you Elise.♥️
Again, I am so impressed at Elise's bravery in telling her story. SO fascinating. And even after all she's been through she still seems happy.
The memory is painful though. We can see through her tears😢
So ridiculous to do this to a little girl! Over some costume jewelry. Makes my blood boil.
This is the most horrifying one yet! I can’t imagine how awful her childhood was
I have so many thoughts. At first I was nodding my head at the familiar stories of aunt Lydia, and Alta academy. Then I’m horrified a child would be subject to such mental abuse, to I really admire how Sam has so much compassion not only for Elise, but for her parents and other members of the Flds. My heart really goes out to you Elise.
The thing that bothers me the most is what Warren did made the people who left essentially not want any religion at all.
Through everything in my life I have found spirituality, and it feels so freeing!
And that's exactly what the devils who control him wanted.
Elise, I'm so,so sorry you had to endure this painful and abusive shaming and that no one stood up for you. I hope you have recovered to the point that you see yourself as a valuable and worthy person and not in any way deserving such treatment. Thank you for sharing your story. Thanks also to Melissa and Sam for providing this platform and for listening quietly so that Elise could fully tell her story. Elise, may you know love and blessing in your life every day.
Thank you so much for your kindness and support ❤️
Thank you for your kind words and wishes 🙏🏻 I believe that life will and does get better! 😉 This whole experience has been very healing and validating for me. ❤
Such a strong woman. Thank you for sharing your story.
You were just a baby. Live your life and be happy while he rots in prison.
I'm sure it's hard to find true peace with him locked away, while he still issues disturbing edicts that are causing children and loved ones who've escaped to go missing 😕
So sorry for this. I found myself wanting to give this young lady a hug several times during her story 😢
Your mother knew you weren’t stealing those things, just borrowing them, right? Both your parents let you down in my opinion, if your father let you get lectured and shamed for theft. I had a few instances while going through school where neither my mother or father stood up for me. One time when I was only 7 years old in the second grade. It is devastating. I still can’t relate it to my husband to this day without crying, and I am almost 70 years old! I wasn’t raised in your faith; bad parenting can happen anywhere and everywhere. My heart bleeds for you and I hope you know, you did nothing to deserve that and should have had parents to stand up for you. In my case it was just my mother was a coward who didn’t want to get into an uncomfortable (to her) position, regardless of the trauma and shame I had to endure. My father was just kind of emotionally absent. All we can do now is try to be better people/parents than they were and break the cycle and not make the same mistakes.
Well said, I was raised Catholic, and fear was always a great deterrent. I remember tasting a grape (my father was a manager of the little market) even after confessing my sin, I still will fail a polygraph from the guilt.
Just want to come through the screen and give her a huge hug.. Which she would have had a mom like mine.
I was thinking the same thing! I want to give Elise and her 12 year self a big hug!!!
I went to Alta academy for one week with my cousin when I was in high school. It was a night an day difference for me, and it was obvious to me that they weren't even close to the correct grade levels as far as curriculum. Warren focused more on religious teachings than reading writing and arithmetic
I am sorry that happened to you. You were a target, he was/is a sick person and you were the scapegoat.
God is love, hugs and love sent from cali, praying for you.
I cried 😢😢😢😢 so sad and awful what a small child endured
It seems so clear to me that Jeffs is a sadist. I think I gets off sexually by making others suffer and proving that he has power over others. Sick!
Bless you Elise for telling your story. You should have never been put through that humiliation. That's absurd
I am so glad you got to tell your story. That was a horrific amount of pain for you to be carrying. I hope people in your peer group will hear about this and reach out. A survival group might be consoling for all of you. Certainly all of us who were lucky enough to not live in the crick are sending you our love. I know that's not the same thing, but you are loved and admired and treasured and forever held gently in our hearts. 🥰💞💕💞
Thank you 🙏🏻♥️
You seem to have come thru this situation stronger. You are a kind hearted person who wears their heart on their sleeve . You seem like such a fun person to be around. You should draw a clock and mail it to him in jail. Dont include your name and see if he can figure out who you are!! Lol
Thank you 🙏🏻 I believe I have become alot stronger from all of this.
Hearing stories like this makes me so glad I wasn’t raised in an organized religion 😢❤
Do not let your heart be troubled anymore. You are lovely, and the light of grace shines within you,❤❤❤and those around you can see this light.❤
Catching up witn your channel content. You two have a nice way about you.
Loved Elise's story shared here.
Me, very tempting to mail to Warren Jeff's a blown up a picture 8x11 of a Clock. Write at the Bottom "Remember!!! It's Time To Be Honest." I would add an appropiate imoge.
Love the idea of that. Seems appropriate to use a red marker for the hand and numbers.
Thank you for taking the time to let Elise completely process the injustice that was done to her in the 5th grade. I am shocked. I also feel bad for all the kids who only ever got to go to a horrid little school created by the monster we know as Warren Jeffs. My heart aches for anyone who suffered like this. Sounds like Elise's parents were also shamed in this incident. I have always wondered how the Dads in this system let this monster take their little girls. I guess this is a piece of insight into how much control that monster had over everyone.
Thanks Melissa & Sam for hearing her story and sharing.
It would be really fascinating for you guys to do a discussion on differences between LDS & FLDS marriage traditions (ex. the ring)
Thank you! 😊
I feel like I'm replaying my own trauma in my head while I listen to her trauma I wasn't a Mormon but I got something like an intervention for being a problem teen and then my parents sent me to a partial in patient psych program
Even though I have never been in a high demand religion, I feel like we have some big things in common, Elise. I was extensively bullied by both kids and adults (mostly teachers and other kids’ moms) when I was a kid, and I prob made a very easy target, as I went undiagnosed w/ ADD and autism. I was definitely noticeably atypical, plus teachers were always scolding me for “forgetting”my homework or for not remembering something or other, and kids really notice and are enabled by that dynamic
I was singled out so often, I disassociated for most of my k-12. I graduated high school without even knowing how to do any math beyond multiplication bc I zoned out for so much of the time. So much internalized, even though my conscious mind did realize that it wasn’t right, how I was treated. When the entire 4th grade got headlice, it moved through the entire school, but only I was singled out months later, by all the room Mom’s for my class, who told my mom I couldn’t go on the field trip bus with the rest of the class- everyone else could, but I was formally excluded. I didn’t care about the kids so much, but I had really been looking forward to that cool bus. We tried 4 different Girl Scout troops before I was allowed to give up, because they (both Mom’s and kids) were so awful to me. Our family also was not wealthy and we lived in a very wealthy area. My parents had wanted me to get to go to wealthy kid public school.
I really identify with what Sam and Melissa were saying, about seeing things differently once we become parents. It’s so easy to gaslight ourselves (ex: it must not really have been all that bad- I’m probably exaggerating it in my mind) and it’s much less upsetting in the immediate short term, to minimize our own traumas we endured, but when you’re faced with an innocent child whose innocence you can see and observe, you realize you didn’t deserve what happened to you, any more than these other precious children would, if it had happened to them.
You are what brave wants to be, when it grows up, Elise💜⚡️
I wish you many blessings, and plenty of joy, right along with all this emotional heavy lifting you’re doing.
It’s so pathetic how he jumped to the conclusion that Elise stole anything 😢 she “borrowed “ them to try and get used to wear something most little girls usually have in their dress up box😢
Warren has to be the most evil person on the planet. What a sick, twisted psychopath! You absolutely did not deserve any of that psychological torture. 😢😢
I can relate to the pain of being a child and not having any compassionate faces. Thank you so much for sharing your story! Elise you are an inspiration and such a beautiful person!
Just when you think it can’t get any worse! I hope that telling your story will help you and others. Thank you
Oh my goodness, so much that is horrific. I'm so very sorry you had to go thru this type of abuse. It's a parents job to protect their children and so much seems to have failed within that culture.
We, as parents, should be willing to take a stand and die on that hill in order to shield our children. These stories are a testament to what brainwashing can result in.
Side note; I wouldn't doubt if Warren Jeff's is a clinical psychopath. The behaviors reported in these stories goes beyond bullying and certainly point to that. I don't suppose anyone would know if he's been diagnosed as such...
You are so amazing to have gone through all this…and come out of it to be who you are now…
Break the silence. Break the cycle.
That's the one nice thing about youtube and other platforms imagine trying to get a personal story told back in the day you would need to get it in the paper or make your own magazine or pamphlet or something
@@leahflower9924 Amen!! And it’s so much easier to find others and realize you’re not alone.
I don't think I could ever have a clock in my house again.
They definitely have always been a trigger for me. Even now I can’t be in the presence of a black framed clock ⏰💔
Listening to how Else was treated by Principal Warren Jeffs; was a bit triggered for me. My uncle Jim (through marriage) who I hated (because he treated me terribley when I was 5; when we lived with him after being in a woman's shelter). Was my teacher at a small Christian school when I was 11; accused me of "PURPOSELY messing up on written spelling tests FOR ATTENTION". Because I could orally spell most the words correctly. He shamed me and put me in detention for months; I missed special school activities. When I was 15 we moved to a different city; where I was diagnosed with severe DYSLEXIA. That is why I struggled with written spelling tests. 🤦♀️
We were part of a private school that treated my son almost exactly how this woman was treated. Almost to the letter. Bizarre how these controlling freaks use the same playbook.
Speaking of the “Home Economics” tapes…it had to be “revealed” if someone was “worthy” to receive a set. My 2 oldest daughters were deemed worthy to PURCHASE a set, but were given the strict instructions to keep them locked away from their dad and I. As parents we were forbidden to hear a single word of them, and if necessary, leave our home so they could listen without fear of being overheard. (Like I could even stand the sound of that disgusting voice, and would even want to hear it) I think he was just trying to start the process of causing division in our family.
I still have that set of CDs.
I feel like I need Warren's mailing address so I can send him a pic of a huge clock.
First of all, name twins! I have been called Elisa sooo many times haha. Thank you so much for sharing your story and I’m so sorry that happened to you with the clock. Horrifying. And here I thought my 12 year old experience was hard. I agree that Warren needs to receive a clock in prison!
Also, we are almost the same age too - guess our name was popular in late 1982! I remember the fall of the year 2000, I was a senior in high school, driving around in my silver Chevy cavalier and getting ready to go to college. Such different experiences and I’m so enjoying listening to your story. ❤
It’s a rare occurrence to hear of another Elise ♥️ I love it too! I never got to go to high school, only to 8th grade. Thank you for the support 🙏🏻
Such a small world! My fiance works with polygamist who come from Short Creek... I don't like giving away too much because I respect their privacy, but it's interesting how I am born & raised in Utah, never been LDS, but had some good friends who were Morman & my fiance is connected with some of the Jeff's family members at his job. They are great people, some still practice polygamy, but in a modern way, it's just so interesting to me how we are connected with so many different people from different ways of life.
I really enjoy listening to these interviews, especially when I find out we're connected in a small way! Best wishes to Elise ❤ She's beautiful & I'm so sorry Warren put such a complex on her for something so innocent.
OMG! I am seething about every single one of these adults 😡
You were a child who borrowed some damn costume jewellery, that you didn’t even wanna wear. And your parents didn’t stick up for you??
Oh Elise girl - I am so so sorry that they ALL failed you.
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Warren is and was a sociopath. Yes, he gets off by being cruel.
I'm enraptured by Elise's story. I want to believe I would have befriended her if I knew her at the time, but I wouldn't have under the circumstances.
I know what it was like to experience trauma as a 12 year old girl. It seems natural to hold the shame inside. It's enpowsringr to reveal it as part of our stories. Elise's bravery to tell it in a widespread forum is remarkable. I would be honored to be a friend to her as adult women.
Her openness, kindness, intelligence, and sense of humor are characteristics i treasure in my friends.
It’s definitely been a lifetime of shame held inside, but stepping into the space of being vulnerable I’ve found that peace can be experienced. I appreciate your kind words. I welcome new friends!
It's all about control and power. WJ is a bully and exerting power over a child like that is sickening.
Jeffs is a sadist and a very perverted one. He enjoyed it for very disgusting reasons. And the scary thing is that he is still exerting control over his followers to this day. That sadistic enioyment he gets from making people suffer is all he has now. It's why life has gotten so much worse for people who still believe he's the prophet. Their misery is the only joy he has left. I will never understand why they still let him communicate with the outside world.
It goes way beyond WJ I think adults maybe are somewhat better than they used to be there's less blind obedience in general also
He implanted the fear and was able to control through that -no crystal ball -how horrible
I'm betting that its BECAUSE you weren't a problem child that he made such an example. A more rebellious kid might not have taken it, or been effected. He probably assumed he'd secured you forever.
I think you are right on with this idea
Yes he preyed on the sensitive and meek. I believe he must have had severe abuse happen to him as an infant and child to have become such a sociopath.
This is so heartbreaking what she had to go through, especially for something that she didn’t do. It’s important to listen to children and what they have to say bc things like this are traumatizing. Warren Jeff’s is the devil and his voice is so creeeepy
Beyond child abuse!!
Elise, what he did to you was on him. That punishment happened to you.
The shame is on WJ’s head, not yours. Love and protect your little one who had to experience that.
Thanks!
Thank you so much for your support! 😊
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Off the topic, Sam and Melissa, after you left, the FLDS and LDS faiths, respectively, did your families of origin experience any negative impacts or consequences? I’m thinking if there was fear of shaming in this video over the taking items from the school, a child leaving the community may bring some consequences.
I would love to see all her pictures!
He’s a diabolical sociopath that is the truth what a nut. Wow. This poor child. I felt so bad for her
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When I was a kid, the nuns did this same kind of stuff all of the time. They lived by the humiliation rule. Pure evil.
And I thought it was mortifying if you were caught with gum in class the teacher would make you pit it on your nose for the ds😢
I would like to know more about “men’s leg wrestling”.
Was it old-timey-wrestling on the floor? Sounds awkward.
Was it something more “sinful”? As in “the FLDS has more swingers than you think”?
No you basically lay side by side to your opponent leg to head. Each raises their legs 3 times and on the 3rd count you wrap one leg with your opponents leg and try to take them out. It’s basically like arm wrestling but with legs. My kids were doing it yesterday.
@@ladybugmom10 I have never hear of such a thing!!
I feel the FLDS would be more of a “thumb war” culture.
@@DarkbutNotsinister well I think it’s taken out of pioneer times.
And to think my 3 girls had Rubbermaid tubs full of dress up clothes fake cheap dress up clothes 😢
The false prophet Warren is going to be held accountable for all the evil things he did to people not only in this world, but in the world to come. This story makes me hurt for her so much.
Elise mentioned her stepmom was a teacher at the school. Was she working there at the time? Did that factor in in any way?
She was a teacher for the same grade but different students. She wasn’t involved at all.
It looks like your family knew too much, so you were treated that way and your family forced to move and lose your house.
I'm so sorry your parents didn't protect you.
Literally just had lds people
Knocking on my door for the second time in a week ( in small Ireland ) like would never make good sales people 😂 I almost wanted to question them .
LDS is not flds
One thing I've noticed in interviews is how hard Warren holds onto silly grudges. I know this isn't an unusual trait in humans, but the grudges he holds are super extra petty. My assumption is that there are a very small number of troublemakers because the repercussions are so great. So, he takes the slightest thing and endlessly punishes (tortures) someone for it. Publicly for extra shame! Naturally, this makes others more likely to go along with things and keep their heads down.
Haha, sorry, this is obvious, and it's so late to comment. I'm just curious how often people do things they should be in trouble for and if he reacts the same. Ironically, I have yet to hear of a deserved punishment. I'm also curious if he's harder on girls or boys? Nearly certain he's harder on women than men.
dangonnit that thumbnail pic looks just like bernice
My Aunt was Bernice 😉 I’ve always been told I look like her.
everybody loved bunny
Absolutely! I don’t know of anyone that didn’t that knew her