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The four fish we're overeating -- and what to eat instead | Paul Greenberg
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- Опубликовано: 12 янв 2016
- The way we fish for popular seafood such as salmon, tuna and shrimp is threatening to ruin our oceans. Paul Greenberg explores the sheer size and irrationality of the seafood economy, and suggests a few specific ways we can change it, to benefit both the natural world and the people who depend on fishing for their livelihoods.
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I love TED talks, but ever time I watch a speech I gain a new existential crisis
+Ionlymadethistoleavecoments
LOL, the only thing better than TED talks is the awesome, intelligent community that comments on the videos :D
+highspacefox sorry to disappoint lol
instaBlaster.
Amazing Ted Talk. I'm currently doing research on the sustainability of the fishing industry in my country, and this approach to consumer-spurred sustainability is honestly the best solution I've found. If we were all more concious about our food choices, the world would be such a better place.
Yay, I love when I actually learn something from watching one of these.
People need to be more pro shellfish, and less selfish. Excuse the pun.
+Marek Kacprzak But God says shellfish are an abomination, you godless heathen. Actually, I'm a Pastafarian and I don't want any seafood on my spaghetti.
+Marek Kacprzak Exactly. Save the shellfish, go vegan.
Maxander2001 You have got to be kidding me. Shellfish don't have any more brains than a flippen plant anyway. Save the carrots, eat a vegan. :-P
Primalxbeast I have too much university education to be quite that thick.
Maxander2001 Really, most of the college level biology classes I've taken seemed to involve lots of cutting up dead critters, so I'm doubting you've had as much biology instruction as me if you want to complain about someone eating something as primitive as a clam, I doubt you would have dealt well with things like dissecting cats and fetal pigs. You don't even want to know the sort of experiments that were covered in my neurobiology text.
I was going to make my date a shrimp pasta dish this weekend, looks like I'll be making a muscle pasta dish.
+crawfzilla I was going to the fish market later today to buy some tuna to make tuna sandwiches xD
+Bruno Cesar VS these Ted talks ruining all our daily efforts. catfish isn't that bad for a bottom feeder and it's cheap. I wonder if octopus and squid are beneficial for the environment.
I'll try to buy more local river fish now, I think it's better and cheaper, well at least I'll try xD
+crawfzilla Mussels in a sauce with white wine, butter and cream with some fresh herbs and peppers - delicious! You can serve it with pasta even :)
+crawfzilla Try a vegan option and save the environment, your health and the life of an animal.
As always the solution is to have someone that worldwide who responsibly controls what is taken away from the environment. This will make people unhappy and create lots of consequences (economically, socially, work related...) but it’s the right solution to avoid an insane destruction.
The real issue is society as a whole, individualism self greed, and overpopulation.
Almost all of these problems "Ted" talks about would be fixed by regulating fertility rates, or lowering overall population.
There will always be the rich and the poor regardless of how many people exist, it's hoe society works. The problem is that with more people the more harm comes to the earth.
But hey, guess we can't be too judge mental about it. Cuz in the end if I was born into the top 1% (like most of the 1% are), I'd gladly spend my unearned money as satisfyingly as I pleased
+TheFlowMind Tragedy of the commons, google it. Lack of private ownership creates waste and depletion. Communism is the problem, not the solution (as the past has amply shown).
+NietzscheanMan did you mean capitalism is the problem? Because capitalism encourages private ownership, communism doesn't.
+TheFlowMind
no authoritarian and heavy handed strategy can realistically be called a solution.
the way to solve the problem is to create solutions that make economic sense.
that is why he talked about doubling the wages of fisherman.
If you can create a product that creates higher profit, better product, and less destruction, then you could nudge the the world into line.
+thewanderandhiscomp
Private ownership of banks... with a mandate from government that they control the money supply. Banks hugely finance government election campaigns. If you think the current banking system is a product of capitalism, you are a fucking moron.
So much greed in the World it's disgusting.
We need less greed and more weed. Seaweed that is, but the other one is also nice ;)
He's on point, gives concrete suggestions and is, for a change, unpolitical. Great talk!
I loved this TED talk so much personally because I keep fish my self and this was really heart warming
I like the muscle idea and the seaweed idea! It seems great!
*mussel
+Drama_Llama_5000 So... we need to lift to get our proteins and omega 3s now ?
+Drama_Llama_5000 Does mussel seaweed soup interests you? Because it is a thing and it tastes great
+bmin that sounds really good
+Drama_Llama_5000 mussel***
an idea worth spreading on ted talks? that's become so rare.... looking forward to more, you've gotten my hopes back up.
you can eat seaweed or grass for Omega 3, but its only EPA - our ability to convert to DHA is limited. The animal does the DHA conversion. that's why grass fed cows and dairy products have higher DHA
I think if we were to also explore culinary alternatives, we'll be able to bring up the value of other fishes. Coming from Malaysia, Telapia cooked fresh and steamed is pretty awesome. The problem is, our 'third world countries' are learning to eat and value more and more popular fishes too.
I really like the alternatives suggested in this talk. One that seems far more beneficial and obvious is to stop eating fish altogether.
The solution is to go VEGAN! It's the best diet for the environment, obviously for the animals and for your health as well.
YES! I've been eating vegans for years now and I feel terrific, and it improves the environment!
You've been eating vegans? yikes! :/ It's probably best to stick to plants
+Chlorophyll Chris
The best diet for the environment is to start this whole water filtration thing the seaweeds and mussels have going. There is always a possibility to reduce your dietary table.
+Chlorophyll Chris Yes! basted in goose fat. Bones for stock. There's no waste! Everybody wins!
+Dynosaur Rokks Maybe use your bones for stock.
How about we have some compassion and brains and we stop killing fish and the oceans?!
but to do that we would need to not have brains :(
+The Blue Farmer That is not the point, the point is to kill the right fish at the right time in the right way.
Arthur Dent Even if that's done you are still left with a highly polluted product.
+The Blue Farmer the "right fish at the right time in the right way" includes a product that isn't polluted.
just4fun620 good luck. Even if you grow your own fish the fish food is polluted because the fish food comes from bycatch and byproducts.
Coming from a hot and dry country like Australia that is surrounded by the ocean the seaweed idea sounds good. Now all we need is to find a way to transport the seaweed at a cost that it is viable to inland farmers.
Great presentation, thank you for sharing
Just watched a Frontline piece with Paul Greenberg entitled Fish on your plate recently 4-19-22. The best explanation of this issue I have seen yet. It expands on this topic and Ted talk. The problem of to many humans seems to be our real existential threat. Markets and technology so far are not addressing this problem and likely cannot.
What to eat instead - Fruits, Vegetables, Grains, Legumes, Nuts & Seeds.
The issue with dams is an interesting one. Hydro power is the most effective, adjustable and at the moment abundant source of renewable energy.
Getting rid of it would cause a spike in fossil fuel consumption, and therefore I don't see it being overall a good solution, but it's great to consider the disadvantages as well.
+Anston [Music] fish ladders work, to remove barriers from the most important rivers. But the free market will never create one, the owner of the powerstation gains no benefit.
Exactly. The guy giving the speech doesn't seem to realize the bigger picture at all. And I mean at all! He has little ideas that sound great in context, but would never work or cause other even worse issues in reality.
kurtilein3 Oh right I had nearly forgot about those! They aren't implemented at all the dam important to these fish? Is there a fund to make them a reality? Yeah, the best thing would be to just make them mandatory from the get-go, but let's just do what we can for now.
Carson Hunt
How so? How is eating less shrimp a bad idea, in what context?
kurtilein3 Apparently I still have a bunch to learn about USA as a Finnish guy.
Loved it!
whats the fish referenced at 11:00
~40% of food in US goes uneaten still.
Why most westerner never eat fresh water fish (except for salmon and catfish)? I came from a river town in China, we eat fresh water shrimp, fish (like carp, perch etc.) and shellfish. They are mostly farmed, produced locally, insanely fresh (we don't eat dead fish or shrimp, don't even talk about the frozen ones) and most people prefer fresh water produce than seafood. They carry a natural sweetness and umami.
+Jojo L You are sick.
Not Even Vegan I just had my physical checked, I'm perfectly healthy:)
Jojo L Your attitude and contribution to the deliberate carnage is sick.
the future is vegan
there is no future mate : )
+Sergio Denis The future is vegan, if it includes human civilization, it seems.
Stoned Cosmonaut 14 billion people can easily be fed, if energy stops being wasted fed to animals turning 80% of it into heat energy through metabolism, and losing the rest to micro organisms inside the GI tract, not perfect absorption of feed energy, etc, etc. So much ignorance, obvious lack of relevant higher level education... Bos taurus is NOT a good organism to put feed into, which humans can convert to a lot more energy if eaten directly. 80% of the worlds grown soy is fed to animals, because it is high grade protein and leads to increased meat, milk and egg yield.
I will go for it. I love mussels and seaweed. Take into account that mussel's shells have a great use. For instance, the highest populated island in the world is the Archipielago of San Bernardo in Colombia. Their residents have been expanding this island by eating tons of mussels and using the shells as soil filler. Basically, this is a mussel-made island! you can use these mussel shells for gardening and other stuff to replace pebbles.
How about just not eating animals?
+NuzV
Nah.
+NuzV but then we wouldnt get the satisfaction of killing animals and then why would we even want to live anymore?
+Divad Mlap I would love an actual response as to why we shouldn't just stop eating all animals, but I know that won't happen. And there isn't a good response regardless. Go vegan.
+NuzV okay. Let's have some countdown. There're about 25 thousands metric tons of oatmeal produced last year. It's one of main component of the vegan diet(and basically every healthy diet). 300 gramms of oatmeal per day for every man on a planet equals almost 9 hundred thousands metric tons of oatmeal. It's almost 4 times more than it's produced now. This amount of increase of framing industry could be amazingly terrible. With the technology we have today there's no freaking way to pull this "vegan" trick at all. And this is only oatmeal. What's about soy and other stuff? Earth is overpopulated, the only way to deal with the problems people have now is to reduce our population.
Stoned Cosmonaut
While I agree that the earth is a bit overpopulated for long-term sustainability, I disagree with your depiction of the whole oatmeal stuff. Not everyone on the planet needs to eat oatmeal. Oatmeal seems to me like a pretty western thing, through Asia and India they have rice as basis of their diet. And as I mentioned elsewhere in the comments, you lose about 4/5 of the nutritional value on the way when producing meat and dairy products. At least on the spreadsheets we should have more than enough production to "feed the world", but local production is the way to go in reality.
The problem is not to eat enough protein, vegetables contain more than enough protein if you don't insist on bodybuilding. The problems are specific vitamins like beta-carotenes (in less developed countries) and B12 as a product that's present only in small amounts on vegetables but get's enriched in meat. After all, meat is pretty decent in nutrition, it contains most of the stuff you need. Organisms tend to extract the stuff they need from their food and concentrate it in their body. But over the long term, you don't need very much of it in your diet, people eat too much meat, with a good selection of vegetables, fruits and all that stuff you can substitute the nutritional value of meat. But I guess this diversity in vegetables isn't apparend in the poorest places of the planet, else we wouldn't come across the (under normal conditions silly) idea of modifying rice to contain more beta-carotene.
Will certainly review the way l see fish again.
I'm finding the googly eyes delightfully distracting, especially on the non-fish. I keep needing to rewind
FYI clupeids = sardines
Bless and protect this man.
Blrss and protect vegans who don't eat fish at all.
One of the best talks
We need to do something to preserve the fish that we eat.
Was planning on each sushi tomorrow... informative presentation. Gotta be aware of all the options
"Can we eat clupeids?" What a funny question. Where I live in herring (Finland) is basic food staple with many kinds of recipes to prepare. And other clupeid species are eaten also. With good marinades and seasonings they can be considered as delicacy.
Probably people in Mediterranean eating sardines would also see this as a weird question.
Tuna is such an overrated fish.
I find tuna very dry.
This is not your "team" or the creatures you "saw" - these are the creatures you tortured and/or killed.
Absolutely wonderful video
But can we grill em?
+Arvin Wiyono trust me, you can grill anything
+Arvin Wiyono Sure, I did some grilled Oysters, you just need a smaller gap grill, or a closed grill(I don't know the speciific names in english), you can even roast em.
Super enlightening, thank you
So what should I eat instead? Unless I want to scrap zebra mussels off rocks (illegal and impractical) I don't see a lot of things I can do here TODAY. I thought maybe the ground up fish in imitation crab might be brought up as a possible mystery fish (though be nice if they stopped adding starch, MSG and sugar to it). If we are going to scale up the "better choices" then we need to know to BUY and EAT them, when possible. If I go to the local Asian Market, which fish would be a better choice than the 4 mentioned? Like mention of the slavery with shrimp, but would hate to support other bad behavior unwittingly.
Excellent presentation.
make it short. what are those 4 fish and what do we need to consume more it doesn't take fifteen minutes to say that
It is obvious, we should just not eat fish
Sheila Wood I agree and it's not like the human race is going to die off if we stop eating fish.
i'm gettin' some sardines!
very powerful ted talk. Thank you Paul Greenberg and Ted.
Well they taste the best, soooo... You know what they say: "Survival of the least palatable." :D
Great talk! Very informative.
The problem isn't just over eating certain fish it's also wasting the meat on fish caught. Filets waste meat.
The solutions for the environment is to not eat fish at all. Or any animals.
true that ... vegan Is the way :D
+03Inolvidable Actually crop farming causes lots of impact too, destroying wild scapes to make a large crop field, the thing is to find a way not to live separately from nature, but integrated with it, like biodegradable trash, environment friendly farming( there's some experimental agricultural forests around the world who are actually doing fine, and now they are trying to scale it up), but right now the biggest treats are indeed the Bovine herding, Soy and Corn farming and the Fishing, as they take a very large space, lots of fresh water and are high in demand, and the research for sollutions to reduce the impact are still very "immature" as they don't get much incentive from governments and companies, just some timid donations.
I agree! And I don't know if I got you wrong but vegan food does not mean to live separate from nature. Most of the soy and corn we produce is fed to animals that we then consume, most of the water, too. Animal products are the worst for the environment, not to mention ethical and health related reasons. If everybody was aware of that fact and would consume more consciously or even stop consuming certain products, big improvements would happen
+Bruno Cesar VS So many of them crops are being used to feed the animals people eat. Being vegan is the only way that we can make a difference.
+Bruno atleast you have a brain. To op, nature needs us as a predator to sustain balance. Mainly due to our past. To just stop all animal eating would hugely upset that balance. Leading to animals overbreeding and causing their own extinction and dead zones.
What really needs to be done is stiffer regulations and control implemented for the hunting and farming of animals
Honestly is there such thing as sustainable fishing?
Yes!
The googly eyes sold me
Huge improvement from the last vid.
just a random thought .... if eating flesh is not so great for the environment and eco system, then why not just not eat it? It is not as though there is a vast amount of non-flesh based food out there.
Awesome Ted Talk!
Woah. BOSS presentation skills tho. Good food for thought. Pun intended. Science all over the world.
Very inspiring to see someone passionate :)
Great topic
10:04
i fucking love fish
+Munqq the anchor Me too, that's why I don't eat them. Eat a plant-based diet. Better for the environment, your health and obviously the animals that we both love ;)
I agree, it doesn't seem very e-fish-ent.
In short: shrimp, tuna, salmon and whitefish.
why do we need oily fish?
+Divad Mlap maybe because of the amino acids that oil contains?
+Stoned Cosmonaut or we could just eat flax/chia/hemp seeds instead which have a much more balanced omega 3:6 ratio and wont contribute to our leading health problems because of all the saturated fat and cholesterol ????
+Divad Mlap We don't need to eat fish.
+Stoned Cosmonaut amino acids are the building blocks of protein. Oil is made of fatty acids. You are a moron.
+Chlorophyll Chris fucking idiot have you seen question mark in the comment i've left?
you see this TED... THIS IS WHAT WE WANT !
Its a great logical idea; it wont happen, though. The same type of logic for switching to insect protein intake failed, despite it making so much sense. Fact is, people dont want to change...ever. Humans only change when we have no other choice.
Not saying I dont agree with this video, I just dont have that much faith in humanity.
+Daedhart
Insects are disgusting, though...
+TheAnnoyingGunner Ground up everything is the same. Fast food, pre-packaged hot dogs, and deli meats all know this and feed us whatever they can get their hands on.
+Daedhart What you're trying to say is that YOU don't want to change.
Eli Oskar
Even ground up there are small but sometimes powerful differences, if there are different ingredients. But the texture of your food matters in a significant way. It is the difference between joy and the urge to gag. Psychological factors play a role too (as well as you eat with your eye), things that are subject to change but change pretty slowly.
+TheAnnoyingGunner In some places in South America, people eat bugs commonly and certain tarantula's are a delicacy.
Wouldn’t eating local fishes be a better solution for the over fishing of few species problem? Reducing the amount of animals we eat definitely needs to happen too.
mussels & seaweed are my favorites. :)
Fruits, veggies, nuts and seeds...
Mackerel are the best
what can happen if i eat to much fish?
Mercury poisoning
Very interesting. I have no issue with us moving to the plant life, but leave mollusks out of it. They're smarter than they get credit for. Also, bio-engineered food is a disaster. They may feed the masses now, but the cost comes with health issues down the line. (See bio engineered corn, being fed to livestock and how it in turn is effecting our families)
+utube101x
Those biotechnology-haters. It's like clouless me bitching about car manufacturers that they have the secret agenda to kill every car driver.
They have fish ladders for the salmon.
I wish he would've mentioned about eating asian carp and/or other invasive species that are also destroying the ecosystems in fresh and salt bodies of water. Overall though, a great and very informative video.
Great!
Sorry to point out - the presenter missed a province on the Chinese Map he used.
we can fish fish, but we can't cattle cattle nor chicken chicken
WANT OILY VEGTARIAN SUPERFISH NOW PLEASE
+Tiger Woods
Won't somebody PLEASE think of the children!?
7:02 why is this guy wearing shades?
Why don't we focus on the issues that are of direct importance, instead of polar bears, fish and other endangered species.
I don't understand. What is better? To kill fish or to not kill fish?
+lovingboarding
That is the question!
+lovingboarding not to kill them. Try not to be a moron.
besides the wasting of uneaten-food, how about not eating animals? I hear him talking about destroying woods and the ecosystem and I'm just thinking to myself: aren't the fish part of the system too?
+MrDivinity22
Plants are too.
So he caught fresh water sturgeon in the ocean maybe he needs to learn where fish live
Sorry, but I'm getting hungry listening to this.
Eat plants.
Education is Key. Societies with a high level of education and standards of living don't have a food crisis, associated with population. Look at the numbers yourself. Today, only the poor and uneducated are breeding. We needlessly scoop up the oceans fish to feed these poor dependent masses for short term profits. Instead we should be educating them to conserve and produce there own food like Paul said. I know many of you, after watch these kinds of vids, are just seething with self loathing hatred and dark nihilist thoughts. You hope for quick brutal solutions to this crisis at the expensive of morality. We need not ever go down the road of population/resource control. That's admitting to complete failure to act responsibly.
is it really good that we always look things in the bigger far away perspective? the bigger picture "we consumed 30 milion metric tons of fish......." macro economics vs quantum physics
Let's play a game, it's called find the vegan.
+Crystal Honey
That's 90% of the comment section right now... =(
+Crystal Honey
It's like playing Clouedo with the butler proudly yelling at you "I did it!"
less types of fish is good... there are way too many scary huge ones out there
that bro is baller as fk
gardien fishless fillets.
+Evange well it's kinda future, but waaaay far away from what we have now. Today it's very expensive to do that.
Better spend the next 15 years fighting for veganism!
Oh dam.
GEESE??!!
how come no one ever mentions overpopulation as the root problem?
John R because we cant start offing people ...
Yes, P J, seems many people think they're being overtly clever by bringing up over population. Still, it is the habits of this over population that do the true damage
People also eat too much.
Aquabounty
Fukushima radiation may have a big impact on fish.
Overeating all of them...
This is good! And it's very important! Thank you.
But better solution is to stop this madness! It is something we all can do ourselves. We don't have to kill and eat (and waste!) the creatures. That is not our right to do. It doesn't make sense, it's really sad and destructive.
Go vegan for the creatures, the environment and for health.
It all seems so damn simple?
Just go vegan
Mooley Man 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
There is no such thing as a vegetarian fish.. pescetarians eat fish