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Invasion of Quebec: America’s Founding Disaster | US History | Extra History | Part 1
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Dive into the backstory of early American military efforts, the rivalry between Benedict Arnold and Ethan Allen, and the critical impact of the Seven Years' War on the American Revolution. A blend of success and chaos that defined America’s first military disaster and the near-miraculous campaign that followed in the Invasion of Quebec, the American Disaster.
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please guys create a video on the Assyrian Independence Movement.
Cool video 😎.
please make a video about Kurdish principalities/Kurdish Rebellions in the Ottoman Empire and another one about the Assyrian genocide (seyfo).
The taking of Fort Ticonderoga was key to the success of the Colonial army because it kept their troops supplied with number 2 pencils.
That’s how they wrote the Declaration of Independence.
Pencils? Are they all John Wicks?
No pencils, no writing home about your heroic exploits; what's the point of fighting a war if nobody knows. They didn't have Instagram back in those days.
@@nuclearmedicineman6270 According to the Ken Burns documentary, soldiers used pencils to write letters to loved ones at home while they were away at war.
@@DDWyssWhat sources did that documentary use? I really can't trust this without proof.
Hearing about Benedict Arnold is always so funny to me as a Canadian. Because before we learned about him in history class, I learned about him from extra history and oversimplified and other American sources. So I learned about him as a villain, and then in our Canadian textbooks he’s considered a hero (I personally consider him as an opportunist). And it’s really interesting to see the different perspectives clashing, makes me wonder about different perspectives we’ll never hear because the other side was wiped out.
In most of Europe Attila the Hun is an evil, warmongering barbarian
But for my grandma from Hungary he's a national hero who created the country
I learned about him through oversimplified too
Interesting.
It makes sense that y'all would be taught that.
His portrayal in the show Turn: Washington’s Spies is more nuanced than most Americans see
@@VonThallis As far as I know, Hungary was founded by Magyars, who came to modern day Hungary centuries after the Attila's death.
-What about Benedict Arnold?
-Who?
-The other commander we sent!
-Never heard of him!
(ouch)
😤😤😤
Lmao wrong channel
Many Arnold's are to be found in present day Eastern Ontario, once called Upper Canada. They are descended from United Empire Loyalists. He was no traitor to those uncomfortable with the bloodthirsty mobs (militias) that terrorized random civilians.
“Are good friend Benedict Arnold, is are good friend no more.”
-oversimplified
@@bryanmurtha5033 What?! Why did he betray us?! He was our best friend!
Ah yes, one of those classic "AND THEN WE'LL BE GREETED AS LIBERATORS" plans which have always gone so well for everyone throughout history.
See also - War of 1812.
And it continues to this day.
@@darb4091it’s called manifest destiny, and it’s a well documented issue with the United States. They think they can get everything they want with war. That’s gone so well for them, see; Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam.
Wow. Got shadowbanned for saying the issue is the United States manifest destiny.
Thank you so much! The failed conquest of Canada is hardly talked about in American history. I'm glad you guys are talking about it. Keep up the great work.
Maybe because it was such a big failure that it’s not worth teaching
@@uria3679 Mmm if that was the case then the Battle of New York, Brandywine and Camden wouldn't be mentioned either since they were big failures. The attack on Canada is barely a footnote as compared to the battles of Trenton, Saratoga and Yorktown.
@@uria3679 it says a lot about a nation when blatant failures are "not worth teaching"
There's a lot more to learn from failure than success.
@@remimaloney2028 Hey, great successes don’t get enough attention around here either. Otherwise Star-Spangled curb stomps like the Thames, Plattsburgh, Lake Erie, and even Baltimore (The inspiration for the national anthem) would all be better known. Both success AND failure need to be understood and explained. But what can I say, we’re just so forgetful no matter what.
@@Strait9730well were they as big as Canada?
Being Québécois myself, I got to study this event from the French side, so it's nice to see the other side of the history, in a non nationalistic way. Love every single one of your well researched videos and hope to see more to come!
What's the Québécois national version?
@@placeandthink8728 "It's all the French's fault for not helping". They abandonned us in America
@@TheMoppinRaccoon you mean British? At 6that time the British had control over the colony
@@TheMoppinRaccoon No?
@@placeandthink8728 For a longtime, our catholic theocracy deeply told us that we were good bois loyal to our crowned daddy overseas as a good Québécois was (as we did the french king before him) and to definitely not think about fighting for securalism or against injustices and especially not against anglo-canadian-british rule over us, gotta stay good submissive people with the sheep as our emblem (all part of a deal with the british in exchange for being allowed to ordain new priests, abbots and so on). Then, after the Quiet Revolution, we realized all the efforts about ourselves we did had precursors with the american invasion, with their letters to our people rightfully calling us even back then oppressed, seing all the people of our nation that did fight with the americans and the printing press they introduced, realizing "maybe it wouldn't have been a bad thing to get rid of the british that way"
As a Canadian passionate about history, who has also studied a reasonable amount of American history too, the story of Benedict Arnold is something I have always wanted to learn more about. So looking forward to part 2!
I’m sure the sacking of Montréal will be covered next episode. If you like this subject, I highly recommend you visit Ramezay castle in Montréal!!
Read the novels of Kenneth Roberts! As a Canadian, you'd especially enjoy Oliver Wiswell, which takes the Loyalist side.
The story of commanders waging war with no concern for the people but only for their own personal gains is, unfortunatelg, timeless.
It ages like the finest vinegar
A slight correction, they actually went up the Richelieu river to Saint Jean, from where they went to Montreal before going up the Saint Lawrence river to Quebec City. The Richelieu is a tributary of the Saint Lawrence, but only actually joins it well to the north of Montreal
It was a two-pronged invasion. Montgomery went up the Richelieu, Arnold went up the Kennebec.
Very interesting
I've lived in all three places. Saint Jean sur Richelieu is a scuzzy place. Back when I lived in le veux st Jean there was practically a murder every 3 weeks in the summer. I hear it's much nicer now.
As someone who loved learning about the revolution as a child…..I AM STOKED to see this topic covered! 😁
As a Québécois, thank you for talking about our history!
Really hope you talk about John Day's letter to the Canadiens (with an e, to be culturally accurate) and the many Québécois who joined the continental army (contrary to british historiography and what the catholic church told us for generations saying we were a loyal and submissive bunch to our crowned daddy overseas) when many were sympathetic to the americans altough not quite ready to got full in on the invasion in joining them.
@@Game_Hero The fact remains that most Canadiens were neutral towards the Americans. Very few joined the Continental Army. After all, they have been our main enemies for decades.
@@Xerxes2005 They were the main enemies of the british, we were in the middle. It was a sympathetic neutrality according to local Québécois experts on the subject. And what I was saying was that even few amounts much more than the "zero" the church controlling education told us for a century.
@@Game_Hero At that moment they were the main enemies of the British, but for all the history of New France, the American colonials were our main enemies, especially Massachusetts. And those were Puritans who hated the Catholics. Also, the clergy threatened anyone who joined the Rebels of excommunication. I do not deny that some Canadiens joined the American revolution, but I believe you are overstating their importance.
Until you remember northerner hated catholics, wich was very important for canadien at the time@@Game_Hero
For those unfamiliar that little jingle at 7:40 is the beginning of a musical number from Hamilton what do you guys think of it
Thank you! I haven’t hear the Hamilton songs, so I was a little confused but still delighted by the jingle. It sounds catchy
I know that song and I'm happy for the reference 🤣🤣😊😊
I wheezed when I heard 🎶 Angelica 🎶
Ah... that would explain why I didn't get it.
2:54 - *_And 3. Most French Canadians/Quebecers of the time used the name “Canadien” to refer to their French speaking compatriots at that time: since simply French (Or “Français” as they said) referred to people from France itself. They also used the term Canadian to differentiate from most English Speaking people of Canada who largely did not identify themselves as Canadian yet, but instead still held hon strongly to being people of the British Empire in the same way as anyone living on the British isles (Regardless of if they were born on those isles or in North-America._*
*_So kudos for using the term correctly and for looking into the proper identifications/names of the time! I look forward to the next parts of this mini-series on Québec since, as a French-Canadian myself, it is a large part of what we cover in secondary (“High school” as you Yankees say 😉 ) history classes here._*
Le secondaire englobe le middle et high school messemble!
@@duntemdraws310 Le secondaire est effectivement une amalgation des deux. Certaines municipalités fonctionnent par contre encore avec le vieux système anglais/américain, où ils séparent le secondaire 1-2 dans une école et ensuite 3-4-5 dans une autre. Exemple, le bas-st-laurent avec plusieurs écoles fonctionnant encore comme ça.
I was thinking of commenting the same note, but you did it perfectly. I'd add this though: Not only English Speaking people of Canada did not identify themselves as Canadians yet, they were seen by Canadians as the conqueror still, making them 'occupants' instead of citizens.
@@aldbgbnkladgIts cultural appropriation like the flag, the national anthem, the 1st july etc. Even the poutine lol
That's how the Montreal Canadien hockey tran got its name.
The irony of Arnold is so sad. In his need for recognition in the time he doomed himself to be remembered not for his great deeds but for his betrayal
Not 😂in Canada
He’s remembered as a gigachad in Canada.
You should do a series on the fate of French-Canadians under British colonization, culminating with the Patriot’s Revolt. The big problem is that most sources in English are heavily biased in favour of British rule. You might need to consult Quebec’s historians for a more accurate portrait.
As long as you ask in French. They don't like speaking English
@@alannabaker8293 Actually at least we have friends speaking both languages.
@@alannabaker8293I hope your joking…
@@alaingadbois2276hes not. Alot of ppl are like him.
There is 2 good documentary made by english canadian tho ! "Les champions" and i cant remeber the other. Its in french tho but maybe there is an english version.
That song about three daughters was amazing 😂😅
It’s the song The Schuyler Sisters from Hamilton
Hearing you speak about American Revolution, Benedict Arnold and Fort Ticonderoga, makes me wish you would make something about Tadeusz Kościuszko.
I haven't seen this mentioned in a while so maybe it's changed, but patrons used to be able to vote on what they wanted Extra History to cover, just sayin'.
Who's that? :)
@theflyingdutchie2585 A young Polish volunteer, who was the best military engineer in the Continental Army. Among other things, he greatly contributed to the victory in the Saratoga campaign (as did Arnold). Later, he designed and constructed the fortifications at West Point. Arnold betrayed the American side by giving the plans of these very fortifications to the British, so their stories crossed again.
Then Kościuszko did a lot of even more interesting things after returning home, which would be a great topic for an Extra History series. Let's just say that, although he was ultimately unsuccessful in his endeavors, he's pretty much considered the greatest hero in Polish history. He's also considered their national hero by Lithuanians and many Belarusians.
He was also generally very progressive for his times.
Pretty good dude, believed in abolition so vigorously that in his will he asked his funds be used to free as many slaves and give them homes as possible. Jefferson ofc was in charge of his will and flagrantly ignored any request that saw us as human in typical American fashion. Its always the Poles being upstanding tho, ever since Haiti!
It was the Anti-Catholicism of the 13 American Colonies that made the people reluctant to join the new American state. England promised to honor French culture in Quebec which included language and religion
The law codes too. Part of the Reason that the yanks rebelled was that Quebec got to keep their language, religion and their laws.
The americans did too, least we forget about how they barred catholics from having positions of power inside the government (intended strategy to have us assimilated, since giving up on your faith was also giving up your language and culture at the time)
Let's not give the Brits too much credit. The reason why they gave us all that was to keep us in the Empire. It was not an act of generosity, but of pragmatism. The 1763 Royal Proclamation's goal was to make Americans migrate to the new Province of Quebec by blocking any migration to the West by giving these territories to the Indians, to destroy the Catholic Church and the Canadien aristocracy. It failed. The Americans never moved North. Why? 1) Too cold! 2) Too Catholic! 3) Too French! So, seeing the turmoil in its 13 colonies, and considering the colony will always remain mostly French, the British government switched to plan B (Quebec Act of 1774) and gave to the Canadien elite what it wanted to control the Canadien population: Abolition of the Test Oath, French civil laws (which helped the Canadien nobility), nomination of a new Catholic bishop and re-establishment of the right to tithe (which helped the clergy). When those Loyalists started flooding the place, things went the other way around rather quickly...
For french canadian it was even more important than anything
and it would be 200 years before the election as US President of ANY Catholic: JFK. !!
I have been waiting for a Quebec episode since the beginning of Extra History. Today is a good day!
As a veteran, the way you described the death march at the end just made me think “so the army hasn’t changed at all then”
7:40 brought me right back to my senior year of highschool 2015/2016 😂
Man, I’m so excited to learn more about the epic legend that is Benedict Arnold and his rise as an American hero
I'm an archaeologist from Québec city and i've been fortunate enough to be the assistant in the last dig at Fort St. John in 2017 (not covered in the video but the next one I imagine). I also wrote the field report. We excavated trench work in the english south redoubt that was in effect during the american seige. it was buried the following year or soon after the americans left. Awesome experience!
Green Mountain Boys sounds like a Folk Metal band name, inspired by Country Music.
By the way, it sound hilarious to see a group whose primary target were new yorkers coming to Vermount becoming an anti-british force.
Basically the two colonies of New Hampshire and New York both claimed the area, giving people permission to colonize it. Since both where English colonies the battle was mostly legal, and New York won. The people who lived there under the New Hampshire charters had their charters revoked, meaning they either had to buy their land again or they would get kicked off of it. But they realized that since everyone else in the area was also there on New Hampshire grants they could just shoot New Yorkers instead.
In other words their main problems with New Yorkers was the British rules taking their land, so it is entirely reasonable and they where basically already anti-British :V
Thank you for talking about the rich but sometimes forgotten story and history of Quebec and Canada's early days
LETS GO QUEBEC CITY MENTIONED BY A HISTORY RUclipsR
I remember reading about the Quebec expedition in "The Notorious Benedict Arnold" by Steve Sheinkin so I'm excited to see that EH's covering it!
The Nebula release came just in time for my Summer Internship at the Fort Western in Maine. We got to walk a little bit to the area where Arnold landed, and learned more about the way maps were altered, confusing Arnold’s campaign through Maine, which is something the Nebula release of episode 2 covers briefly.
St. Jean isn’t on the St. Lawrence but on the Richelieu river.
It's even in the name St-Jean-Sur-Richelieu
7:40-7:48 I appreciate a good Hamilton reference.
America, baby🇺🇸!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also the Hamilton references are crazy 😂.
The term "Province of Quebec" was a British exonym to the French Colony of Canada. All french speakers not born in France considered themselves "canadiens" hence the hockey team's name. It was the British who gave birth to Quebec as a state. They then renamed the United colonies as Canada and adopted the name canadians, but the now reorganized french speakers continued to consider the country inhabited with "canadiens-français" and "les anglais". They only really considered themselves "québécois" after the quiet revolution in the late 1950s.
The quiet revolution began in the 1960s. After the death of Maurice Duplessis
Benedict Arnold, I'll have to remember that name, he sounds like a true patriot; I can't wait to find out what happened next!
YES FINALLY A VIDEO ABOUT CANADA
On Quebec vs. Canada: until the 1960s, French Canadians would refer to themselves as "Canadians", and Anglo-Canadians would be referred to as "the English", a terminology which might have been encouraged by the strong Orangist movement that English-speaking elites of that era espoused.
That's still kinda alive in remote area of English Canada
This is why the hockey team is called the Montreal Canadiens, they were founded as a team for the French players. There were teams like the Montreal Wonderers, Shamrocks, and Maroons for Anglo players
@@KingAgniKai Remote, as in LONDON, Ontario. My aunt just left a large bequest to the Ladies of the Orange Order!!!!!
And they like to steal quebec heritage. Like the flag and national anthem.
I appreciate you talking about my province of Quebec! It's very unknown!
It is the second most known province in Canada?
@@oscarhess1376 saskatchuwan or the north-weast terrotirise.
Quebec is the least important province in Canada and the worst to exist in, the whole reason Canada is by law bilingual even though it’s founding documents are in English
also quebec is very know closes to ontario in it pretty much the reverse and quebec is the seconde most known province and the first is ontario a 3 is probably brithish columbia
@@Hazleton1376 Very bad and uninformed take
Another amazing EH series?! YES PLEASE 😊😊😊
LETS GO! Always liked to hear about our brothers history, especially the Quebec adventure.
Will you guys also cover the war of 1812 or talk about how people wanted to go invade canada after the civil war? Either way Love the video, keep it u[!
Also war red plan or pig war
I'm reminded of a famous quote from Benedict Arnold himself: "You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
0:40 damm literally caught him when his pants are down
7:15 I just laughed so much at this... Having gone through hundreds of receipts for a friend of mine doing accounting for his compensation for his meals working for the Canadian government.. 😂😂😂
Can you do more on Canadian history
I love yall! Thanks for doing what you do!
7:39 Of course they made that joke XD
im so happy to see this episode! keep up the good work
edit: loved that hamilton reference
Just refreshed YT and this appered! Perfect timing guys! Love your content! Hearth please ❤❤❤❤❤
yay new series
YAY, a new video from Extra History! Awesome! ❤
I know i knew about Benedict Arnold, but it's been so many years since I even thought about his existence that him being at the front of this gave me whiplash
You know, I’m starting to see why Benedict Arnold eventually turned on the rebel cause. The reason for him doing so was rather glossed over from what I recall in my US history classes…
love that "seized the waterways" illustration @6:05 😆
My hometown of Montgomery, New York is named after Richard Montgomery who died in the slightly later Battle of Quebec on December 31st 1775.
I don't know if that will be covered in this series, but it would be nice to see.
It cannot not be covered. "I will celebrate New Year's Eve in Québec, or in Hell!" Well...
Yeah, that section of Maine he is about to wander through is pretty, but the idea of walking/boating the whole thing? Haunting
Nice Hamilton reference.
Ah, yes, Fort Ticonderoga, aka the start of Benedict Arnold's villain arc.
That failed imvasion is now regarded as a significant event in Candian history; it has been even been claimed as the birth of modern Canadian identity.
You guys are the Best! Love your content ❤❤❤❤
This is gonna be awesome, cant wait to learn some us history!
As always after traveling, I watch this channel
Attempt 46 of asking for a Mustafa Kemal Ataturk video
EDIT: We got 550 likes bois, thanks for the support
Dude, they have a Patreon voting system, lay off a bit. I'm also willing to bet it's on their shortlist, but someone who's actually a patron can maybe add to this
Patrons take priority
Just say PLEEEEEEEEEAAASSSSSSSEEEEEEEEE and then they might make a video
You're just not acting desperate and entitled enough. Keep trying.
@@Goldenself huh?
I would like a video on the history of Quebec and french-canadian population, like the battle of Abraham plains
BA's story is one of doing a lotta hard work, and getting next to no credit for it.
You almost sympathize with his frustration that led to his treachery.
That, and his wife whispering words of betrayal in his ear.
7:40 I was waiting for this 😌
This will be a really cool series to follow along with because my ancestor, Captain John Noble, took part in the first invasion of Canada. He was a successful New England merchant who outfitted a regiment at the expense of his own business. He survived the campaign but died from disease he caught while on the March and died in the Summer after the campaign.
I hope the one off episodes this time around are about the Vermont Republic.
episodes like this are the reason i wait for an irl history arc to be released completely before i start to watch. now i have to wait several weeks before i can watch them all in one go QwQ
YES CANADIAN EXTRA HISTORY FINALLY!
When you surmount the dread to have an Extra History about your homeland and got rewarded with a surprise mention of your city!
Bro put in an Alexander Hamilton reference
Me, a lifelong Mainer hearing about next episode- 'Ayuh, that checks out"
The part number in the thumbnail is fantastic; great idea!
Speaking of Phillip Schuyler... his daughter Angelica Church nee Schuyler was a fascinating figure in her own right. Despite being married she exchanged flirty letters with Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton (who happened to be her brother in law), she also charmed Martha Washington and was basically a celebrity by 1700s/1800s standards.
quebec mentioned
Benedict Arnold would've been so famous if not for the whole defecting thing.
Mentioning the show: "Alexander Hamilton" in an extra credit video... there's a tax for that
I think it's interesting that Benedict Arnold is only so synonymous with "traitor" because he once was a legitimate hero to the continental army.
Cubec is my favorite shape :P
7:53 Any Hamilton fans know how General Montgomery is going to do in Quebec?
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Can à Patreon please ask for à Louis Riel/Métis rébellion épisode pls
History channels: *Mentions Quebec*
Québecois: "AYY! LET'S GO, TABARNAK!"
Thanks for covering this, I was born and raised in Plattsburgh NY on Lake Chanplaon between Ticonderoga and Quebec.
You should read into the Battle of Plattsburgh wild story of the largest invasion of the US.
5:02 "Green Mountain" became VERMONT??? Being a Montrealer, I'd never realised where the name of VT has come from!! VERT MONT = Green Mountain (in French) !!
The name was actually given by Champlain. You want another? the State of Maine was named after the son of Louis the XIV the "duc de Maine".
@@guyl9456 Detroit = Strait of...
Lesmoines = The monks
many more. Yet Vermont origin was new to me.
I love history, and this is interesting! Also, did anyone notice Alexander Hamilton in the corner of the sisters? He's in the bottom right corner.❤
I love musicals, so the Hamilton reference made me laugh out loud.
I'm quebecer and we never give up our culture, language and religion. We remain french and one day we will be free !
That's nice, but that doesn't mean that our government should force friench down everyone's throats!
Would it ever be possible to please get bibliographies at the end of the videos in case we want to do some reading?
FUN FACT: The Americans also revolted because of the Quebec Act. An act which gave my francophone friends here in the very province the conformation of their freedoms. Yet they insist to then during the war to liberate us when they revolted because we got freedoms… so funny.
we did got to get freedoms with them we lost when they lost, least of all you forget the events that led to 1839
@@Game_Hero The Rebellions?
@@epiccanadianman5851 And more importantly, what led to them, mainly the lack of democracy.
@@Game_Hero mhm. I know how it goes.
One of the reasons why the Americans were furious about the Quebec Act (probably the main reason), was because they thought it was an attack on democracy. The Royal Proclamation of 1763 wanted to create a House of Assembly like all the other British colonies had. Problem is that most of His Majesty's new subjects (Canadiens) were prevented to hold any office unless they swore the Test Oath by which they abjured their Catholic faith. The British governors, Murray and Dorchester after him, never created that assembly for that reason. It would have been an elected assembly from which 99% of the population would have been barred. Not very democratic... However, the Quebec Act simply returned to the French seigneurial regime, without any elected assembly. The Rebels thought it was an attack on the democratic rights of Quebec's population (especially the British population, they didn't give a f* for the rights of Canadien Catholics). They were also afraid that the British government would abolish all their assemblies through which they administrated their colonies since the beginning. It was an "intolerable act."
Please do the Greek war of independence of 1821 against the ottoman empire next
I've been asking for this since the first episodes of the sengoku Jidai!!.
Can't wait for the next video. Because this was great to listen too.
Will come back for Part 2 :)
I love that you cover things from my province, yet I would love it even more if you pronounced the name our province correctly : its pronounced kébek.
Amazing 10/10
Another great video! ☺
It's been while a while since I was in school but I remember this being called the 7 years war and not the french and indian war
PANR has tuned in
A lot of Quebecers living along the Richelieu river are proud of the history of the rebellion known as the patriotes. You can see quite a few houses with the Patriotes' flag and monuments about them on the "Chemin de patriotes" or Patriot's path where the Americans marched towards Quebec city.
The movement of the patriotes was inspired by the American Republic, and what was at the time the colonial rule of the British empire.
We learn this story from a different perspective in Quebec. I’m curious how you will cover the rest.
It would be great to see Extra History do a video about an alternative history story.
As a Canadian, it's really interesting to see this from the other side.