MONTEVERDI: L'incoronazione di Poppea "Pur ti miro, Pur ti godo" (Jaroussky, De Niese)

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  • Опубликовано: 20 фев 2012
  • "L'INCORONAZIONE DI POPPEA" by Monteverdi is the last Opera of the Monteverdi trilogy filmed by the Italian label and producer DYNAMIC at the TEATRO REAL, Madrid. The collaboration between TEATRO REAL and DYNAMIC started in 2008 with the recording of "L'ORFEO" and continued with "IL RITORNO DI ULISSE IN PATRIA" in 2009 and ended with "L'INCORONAZIONE DI POPPEA" in 2010. The three works conducted by William Christie and directed by Pier Luigi Pizzi featured all the great names of today's baroque stages: Dietrich Henschel, Sonia Prina, Philippe Jaroussky, Danielle De Niese, Maria Grazia Schiavo, Kobie van Rensburg and Christine Rice. The first two recordings are available on DVD under the label DYNAMIC, the third is also available for TV broadcastings and has been released by VIRGIN CLASSICS.
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Комментарии • 469

  • @francisroberts6947
    @francisroberts6947 Год назад +48

    Incredible music sung by two of the best singers alive
    playing two of the most evil people who ever lived

  • @stefanwild326
    @stefanwild326 5 лет назад +217

    376 years old and still evoking emotions like the day it was first performed

    • @erwinroebroeks58
      @erwinroebroeks58 Год назад

      @Gary Allen we don't know that.

    • @shanjones4869
      @shanjones4869 Год назад +3

      Sent from heaven ! I never get tired of hearing this ! Magical

    • @MaxMax-bi7oh
      @MaxMax-bi7oh 9 месяцев назад +5

      this perhaps explains the greater familiarity with the beauty of the Italian people compared to the rest of the world

  • @sgordon8123
    @sgordon8123 4 месяца назад +16

    Made me cry with the beauty and sadness. The voices melting into each other are so very beautiful and moving. Eternity is somehow in the final chord.

  • @Salbei17
    @Salbei17 5 лет назад +148

    The people talking about the outfits, but to be honest, I'm pretty sure the actual Nero would've loved that sparkly outfit.

    • @casparurban8730
      @casparurban8730 3 года назад +11

      yes, indeed. (it looks like the glowing sparks of burning rome)

    • @cg8397
      @cg8397 2 года назад +3

      @@casparurban8730 Nero also played for both teams. Read about Poppea's replacement named Sporus.

    • @casparurban8730
      @casparurban8730 2 года назад

      @@cg8397 Hello CG, thank you for the advice. Sporo

    • @zoltanbrenner774
      @zoltanbrenner774 2 года назад

      I do not know much about this opera piece, so I am asking here, not stating something: This duet is about a male character who is in love with a female character and vice versa, I guess. However, I am confused with the costumes. Sorry about my words which could seem rude, but I just want to say something in simple words, and with these words name some things properly and precisely: why are bot dressed as female characters, when according to the story, they are not? I know that Jaroussky is homosexual person, he talked about that in an interview I listened to. Certainly, I do not care, it is his choice, it is not my business, but I think If he plays here a role of a heterosexual man who is a lover of a heterosexual woman, he should be dressed accordingly. He does not even look like kind of a homosexual Nerone - he looks... ahem... pretty stupid as well in front of an unbelievably attractive woman-Poppea. If Nerone's parts were written for countertenor voice, and there is no such singer around, I also can accept the part being sung by a woman - providing she is dressed as a man, since she is playing a male character, and clothes help that in that case. But to put female clothes on Jaroussky and paint his face and put him in front of such a woman as this one is in this video is not a big, but an absolute mistake.

    • @ameliarosesheppard9007
      @ameliarosesheppard9007 Год назад +9

      ​@@zoltanbrenner774 you can see by the difference in necklines, hers is a dress and his is a robe. Nero did not wear pants; men at the time and place wore robes, tunics, and togas. "Masculine" clothing varies wildly across cultures and eras :)

  • @tubekulose
    @tubekulose 4 года назад +83

    Monteverdi was a genius and this duet is one of my favourites. And these singers are great!

    • @nightowl6260
      @nightowl6260 2 года назад +1

      @Gary Allen So What. Thank god for this.

  • @hans-georgwarkentin7345
    @hans-georgwarkentin7345 Месяц назад +1

    wer so wunderbar einfühlsam und eindrucksvoll singen kann, der hat meine volle Bewunderung - 2 Stunden sind wie ein ganzer Urlaub

  • @leelaturanga5461
    @leelaturanga5461 3 года назад +32

    The X-factory, American-Idoly scooping is a bit jarring but I am in love with Danielle's pure, heavenly voice. And Philippe is perfection every time - what a talent (and cute too, even when dressed as a sparkly, golden Uncle Fester!)

  • @zenkuriyama8516
    @zenkuriyama8516 Год назад +20

    It has been a long, long time since I've heard a note as expressive as the one De Niese sings at 3:40 on "O" at the beginning of the phrase "O, mio tesoro." It's almost unbearably beautiful.

  • @piustwelfth
    @piustwelfth 3 года назад +54

    Their voices blend very well together -- better than most singers who sing this opera duet.

  • @paulbookbinder4899
    @paulbookbinder4899 2 года назад +20

    That literally takes my breath away. Stunningly beautiful

  • @karenarnett5167
    @karenarnett5167 2 месяца назад +3

    Cant possibly get more gorgeous or more creepy. Jaroussky's acting interpretation nailed it, and perfect costume and makeup.

  • @ambrosius
    @ambrosius 12 лет назад +120

    This is the most stunningly beautiful piece of Baroque vocal music that I have ever heard performed.

    • @Ocongate
      @Ocongate 2 года назад

      @Gary Allen Still disputed, I believe....

    • @janwilson9485
      @janwilson9485 2 года назад

      My money is on Cavalli having written it. Its very similar to his score for Giasone.

  • @LaStriata
    @LaStriata 12 лет назад +28

    Best soprano performance I've ever seen from a male with his gentleman's log cabin still intact.

  • @obuchovavera
    @obuchovavera 2 года назад +10

    Я влюбилась в обоих. И в Монтеверди. Жарусски для меня эталон. Потрясающий! Неповторимый! А этот дуэт как бриллиант. Подарок свыше! ❤❤❤❤❤

  • @p1966kful
    @p1966kful 3 года назад +14

    Wow. Just incredibly effective. Sung with more romanticism than one would expect, but it worked. It more than worked.

  • @hebicat
    @hebicat 4 года назад +90

    I guess I am in a minority in my thinking that this is visually remarkable, love it or hate it, it is an arresting sight, the subtle and ghostly background reflections make it all the more amazing, and no matter what your view is, the vocal performance is prefect and the music, astounding.

  • @gerardbegni2806
    @gerardbegni2806 7 лет назад +23

    This duet is for sure one of the most exquisite moments of the "Incoronazione di Poppea", the last opera of Monteverdi which exists only in two copies exhibiting some diffences and including no instrumentation, just the continuo.

  • @capuano3d
    @capuano3d 5 лет назад +32

    Monteverdi surprises me every new piece I listen. It's like multiple composers within one.

    • @magdolnakeller3431
      @magdolnakeller3431 4 года назад +2

      This is a sharp observation. Monteverdi's autorship is being called more and more into question to the point that some scholars refer to the work's author as "Monteverdi", in quotation marks. This very duet is said to be added after Monteverdi's death by other authors (Sacrati, or Ferrari or Laurenzi) If you are interested see also: books.google.hu/books?id=4nAImAfyxvYC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

    • @capuano3d
      @capuano3d 4 года назад +2

      Thanks for your comment Magdolna, will surely have a look at this book

  • @Afxb
    @Afxb 4 года назад +33

    This is so beautiful; the singing does due justice to the emotion. The blend is superb. It is breathtakingly beautiful when they land on the same note at the end of lines.

  • @austindeantk
    @austindeantk 10 лет назад +209

    As a classically trained singer in the operatic traditions, this is undeniably mesmerizing. My mind says no to the scooping, but my ears say YES!

    • @lucianolaurentiu5601
      @lucianolaurentiu5601 8 лет назад +8

      Love it except for the scooping. Totally inappropriate for the style. Both mind and ears say - there is no room for it in baroque music. Ethereal and beautiful otherwise... She really shined in the recent world premiere of Bel Canto at Lyric Opera in Chicago and Jaroussky is fantastic as usual - so giving, in the moment, expressive and musical...

    • @christinemoorevassallo8707
      @christinemoorevassallo8707 5 лет назад +2

      She scoops a lot, rock and roll style...

    • @topologyrob
      @topologyrob 4 года назад +25

      @@lucianolaurentiu5601 Who's to say? No one actually knows how people sang in 1640.

    • @connorcobby8711
      @connorcobby8711 4 года назад +14

      @@lucianolaurentiu5601 im not sure about the term scooping but honestly her style imparts so much passion and sincerety, seems so natural that despite this modern style of vocalisation, it really works. it makes me wonder what effect it would have if it was applied more broadly

    • @treesarecool12345678
      @treesarecool12345678 3 года назад

      Well said!

  • @lupash
    @lupash 4 месяца назад +1

    De Niese sounds absolutely stunning. About all the rest what can we say, it sounds like it was written yesterday. Absolutely crazy harmonies and melodic intent to consider they're from '600

  • @alicat7281
    @alicat7281 4 года назад +6

    Can a love song be any better than this? I don’t think so. It’s perfect, even after all of these centuries since Monteverdi wrote it. It’s sublime.

    • @matthiasscheffler548
      @matthiasscheffler548 4 года назад

      Fully agree - found this last night and can't stop watching. Now I have learned for the first time how a countertenor's voice can move like no other. And more importantly, the music, in its disarming simplicity, touches the epicenter of what love can do inside of us.

  • @ruthiinbar4865
    @ruthiinbar4865 5 лет назад +7

    UNO DE LOS MEJORES DUETOS DE LA NUSICA OCCIDENTAL .EMOCIONANTE . PURA MUSICA / QUE VERSION !

  • @tessarkadijska641
    @tessarkadijska641 8 лет назад +121

    I really love this duet, but I knew it only on CD. In this video white Jaroussky in grandma's glittering nightgown really made me laugh xD

    • @albertoalvisini1879
      @albertoalvisini1879 6 лет назад

      Tess Arkadijská di

    • @stefanwild326
      @stefanwild326 4 года назад +4

      yeah, the costume designer kinda did him dirty :D

    • @cg8397
      @cg8397 2 года назад

      @@stefanwild326 I don't think so, read up on Jaroussky's personal life.

    • @zoltanbrenner774
      @zoltanbrenner774 2 года назад +3

      @@cg8397 Jaroussky's homosexuality does not have anything with the ROLE he plays. If he plays a ROLE of a heterosexual man, he should be dressed accordingly, and not as a homosexual woman.

  • @michellaporte6626
    @michellaporte6626 4 года назад +5

    Quel merveilleux morceau de Monteverdi!!! Et quelle interprétation de madame de Niese et de Monsieur Jaroussky!!! Un Bonheur de les (ré)écouter!!! MERCI!!!

  • @pengellifachisaffaenor4489
    @pengellifachisaffaenor4489 5 лет назад +4

    Ah! William Christie . . . the great man himself! This performance could not have been so beautifully made by any one other than by William Christie's having been involved. Bravo, BRAVO !

  • @johnrandolph6121
    @johnrandolph6121 3 года назад +15

    There is a reason this has over a million views. It is just really well done and there are some other good ones on here. But this one is so stylish, expressive and both singers really understand the style. And they sound great. You can really tell that a someone like William Christie is the music director.

  • @ugozambiasi757
    @ugozambiasi757 4 года назад +8

    Fantástico timbre y acoplamientos de voces....simplemente sublimes!

  • @glsigalos
    @glsigalos 10 лет назад +36

    That "dude" is among the best countertenors ever heard, Philippe Jaroussky. Also in this production was another superb countertenor of equal talent and status to Jaroussky, Max Cencic.

  • @grantdodge414
    @grantdodge414 3 года назад +4

    this performance of this song, is hands down my favorite song/piece of music.

  • @Reinemichaud
    @Reinemichaud 10 лет назад +8

    C'est une splendeur, merveilleux tous les deux. Merci pour ce merveilleux cadeau....

  • @jamesfowler2932
    @jamesfowler2932 10 лет назад +12

    Nero was as I always imagined, well sung by Jaroussky. De Niese was moving. After all these years still a great love song.

  • @CyberMarxist
    @CyberMarxist 7 лет назад +11

    Splendid! I am so happy that I find the music of Monteverdi very beautiful through the angelic interpretation of these two singers!

  • @josemarialuquejurado
    @josemarialuquejurado 9 лет назад +18

    Realmente maravilloso. Es música en estado puro. Sensibilidad a flor de piel. Bravo!

  • @DavidHassell2004
    @DavidHassell2004 3 года назад +3

    I Have the full production on DVD. Highly recommended. Interesting production and of course De Niese and Jaroussky two of the finest exponents of Monteverdi and Handel in the world.

  • @helgahaaa9262
    @helgahaaa9262 3 года назад +4

    Best recording ever! Jaroussky at his best....

  • @parcivalg.5659
    @parcivalg.5659 4 года назад +2

    Bellissimo! Bravi! Monteverdi era ed è un genio.

  • @pengellifachisaffaenor4489
    @pengellifachisaffaenor4489 5 лет назад

    This rich treasury of sublime music we're treated to -- ah! Such a rich and sensitive collegium of transcendent sounds RUclips has provided for us -- Thank you Dynamic opera and classical music, Bravo, BRAVISSIMO!

  • @nightowl6260
    @nightowl6260 Год назад +1

    The music for this duet is in the background of the new episode of season 3 of Sanditon! Amazing.

  • @acerhythm7026
    @acerhythm7026 3 года назад +37

    that was actually a killer performance even though Nero straight up looks like a corpse lol

  • @robertbutton2584
    @robertbutton2584 4 года назад +4

    I think this is one of the best performances of this piece! Stunning!

  • @moonlace1560
    @moonlace1560 7 лет назад +1

    Nearly made me cry. such a lovely song and voices despite all the scooping.

  • @icecap33
    @icecap33 5 лет назад +4

    Two beautiful voices fit perfect together. Gosh!

    • @mckavitt13
      @mckavitt13 4 года назад

      They do fit perfectly!

  • @CaraPhilos
    @CaraPhilos 12 лет назад +3

    Well, he provides the acoustical beauty, and she is very convincing in that role. I must say I admire any singer or actor who goes out on the stage in such incredibly unflattering costume and makeup as PhJ does here. But my, he is convincing in that role and giving a hypnotic performance!

  • @silviamaga5740
    @silviamaga5740 2 года назад +1

    Perfetta,uni miracolo complimenti! Grazie

  • @HelenJoannides
    @HelenJoannides 8 лет назад +60

    the most beautiful music ever written and sung...?

    • @ChristopherPettersen
      @ChristopherPettersen 8 лет назад +2

      Agreed. Baroque music can be so beautiful.

    • @thebannedgreenman8939
      @thebannedgreenman8939 8 лет назад

      Apart from Il chiome d'oro............

    • @mustafakadhem8311
      @mustafakadhem8311 7 лет назад +1

      Agree with you ! 👍🏻

    • @raheldeborah
      @raheldeborah 5 лет назад +2

      Chris Pettersen I realize this was written two years ago but still... it’s Renaissance music. Not Baroque.

    • @hansi6119
      @hansi6119 4 года назад +3

      @@raheldeborah This was a late Monteverdi opera, and was written firmly in the Baroque period. It is accepted that ca. 1600 was the end of the musical Renaissance and the beginning of the Baroque. You are partially right, though, in that Monteverdi wrote in both periods.

  • @gorettimoreira6956
    @gorettimoreira6956 5 месяцев назад +1

    São verdadeiros anjos cantando uma linda obra de Monteverdi!!!!!❤

  • @vinoringochanvarugasu7944
    @vinoringochanvarugasu7944 10 лет назад +13

    i've never heard of am operatic duet as magnificent as this one!

  • @pengellifachisaffaenor4489
    @pengellifachisaffaenor4489 5 лет назад +1

    Astoundingly beautiful -- words fail me!

  • @spacewalktraveller1
    @spacewalktraveller1 Месяц назад +1

    This is what music sounds like in heaven.

  • @elanowak8851
    @elanowak8851 2 года назад +4

    Cudowne wykonanie ,nieziemski glos

  • @marchmere
    @marchmere 11 лет назад +1

    thank you for posting!

  • @cadencole103
    @cadencole103 4 года назад +1

    The overtone at the end. Wow! Beautiful

  • @gregorythemaster5995
    @gregorythemaster5995 Год назад +3

    One of the best love ballads

  • @chichienu
    @chichienu 4 года назад +4

    Beautiful music! I had never heard this duet. And I love her gold dress!!! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

  • @birikein
    @birikein 12 лет назад

  • @goodmusicforyou.
    @goodmusicforyou. Месяц назад +1

    Beautiful!

  • @victimbetrayed6426
    @victimbetrayed6426 2 года назад

    So graceful,perfect and impressive.

  • @nalanol
    @nalanol 6 лет назад +47

    Fester Addam's nephew has amazing talent

    • @IanRob2011
      @IanRob2011 3 года назад +2

      Lol

    • @nalanol
      @nalanol 3 года назад +2

      @@Alusnovalotus well played sir 🙏🏻

  • @anazulayespinoza3133
    @anazulayespinoza3133 10 лет назад +5

    Bellísimo y bravísimo!!

  • @grecuadriana2830
    @grecuadriana2830 11 месяцев назад +1

    Meraviglioso spettacolo!

  • @martigra1g
    @martigra1g 12 лет назад +3

    So amazing!

  • @francescazenobi1224
    @francescazenobi1224 10 лет назад +21

    I'm going crazy for these voices!!!

    • @fabtrain
      @fabtrain 10 лет назад

      "You hear the way their sad voice sings, and you start to imagine things..."
      e...meglio Poppea di Nerone, comunque! ;)

    • @francescazenobi1224
      @francescazenobi1224 10 лет назад

      fabtrain non ti piace la voce del controtenore? Per me é bellissima! Non guardarlo, ha un'espressione un po' inquietante, ahahah!

    • @fabtrain
      @fabtrain 10 лет назад +1

      si, mi piace moltissimo, voce stratosferica. e poi è nella parte, deve pur inquietare. Ma Poppea, beh, ehm ok, è atomica. :-)

    • @francescazenobi1224
      @francescazenobi1224 10 лет назад +1

      fabtrain vero, é strepitosa!

  • @jaredlarsen5586
    @jaredlarsen5586 7 лет назад +701

    Why is the Dark Lord chasing Rihanna around that stage

  • @alicefabbrini4362
    @alicefabbrini4362 2 месяца назад

    Danielle De Niese is simply fantastic!!! And also Philippe Jaroussky, ca va sans dire!😊

  • @kattykit139
    @kattykit139 2 года назад +3

    Some people are so mesmerizing you forget Rome is falling

  • @lauramartini8746
    @lauramartini8746 3 года назад +1

    Quando il Cielo è così vicino... vicino al mio cuore... I'immensità è con me

  • @ceccopisa
    @ceccopisa 6 месяцев назад +1

    Meraviglia assoluta ❤

  • @nightowl6260
    @nightowl6260 2 года назад +1

    Hauntingly beautiful.

  • @alexanderberol6579
    @alexanderberol6579 Год назад +1

    Magnificent!

  • @divox9pqr
    @divox9pqr 6 лет назад +2

    Monteverdi writing of the exquisite is unparalleled. These two lovers have bested their vicious rivals, and hope now for a few moments of content. History though would prove otherwise.

    • @bassman19944
      @bassman19944 5 лет назад +1

      Monteverdi"s writing of the exquisite is indeed unparalleled, but this specific part of the opera is not by Monteverdi, and the text of this duet is not in any of the existing libretti.

    • @bassman19944
      @bassman19944 3 года назад

      @Gary Allen This is possible. As the editor of this version presented here, I have come to the conclusion that the last music that Monteverdi wrote was "A dio Roma." Everything after that was by someone else, very possibly Ferrari, but there is no real proof of that. What is certain is that starting with Scene 8 of Act 3, "Ascendi, ascendi, ò mia diletta," the style of writing, until the very end, radically changes, and not for the better! There are also two instrumental pieces by Sacrati.

  • @nilsbrownmusic4507
    @nilsbrownmusic4507 2 года назад

    It’s like a Scotch snap..no more. Entirely permissible and it’s beautiful. Makes the piece actually fun and joyful.

  • @huhhwuhh
    @huhhwuhh 3 года назад +2

    still makes me cry

  • @smenkare27
    @smenkare27 7 лет назад +2

    this is perfection!

  • @marcososborne5401
    @marcososborne5401 3 года назад +3

    Magnífica actuación. Bravo.

  • @willwalker24601
    @willwalker24601 Год назад +4

    The emotions in his voice were on point… but his facial expressions said 👁👄👁

  • @rayanaouraj4848
    @rayanaouraj4848 3 года назад +1

    It's Amazing!!!!

  • @frankvanaardenne
    @frankvanaardenne 11 лет назад

    so beautiful!!!

  • @andersonborges2094
    @andersonborges2094 2 месяца назад

    Ambos foram brilhantes, que desenvoltura, simplesmente etéreos!

  • @domenicogargiulo6218
    @domenicogargiulo6218 4 года назад +1

    Che meraviglia!

  • @luciagarcia888
    @luciagarcia888 5 лет назад

    Hermosisima aria 💜 BRAVO

  • @mario4798
    @mario4798 5 лет назад +2

    Il senso assoluto della BELLEZZA, insuperato vertice dell'estetica occidentale!

  • @marchmere
    @marchmere 11 лет назад +1

    wow, so beautiful!

  • @TheClarluz
    @TheClarluz 4 года назад +4

    Ual, que vozes lindas!

  • @musicloverkeke3314
    @musicloverkeke3314 4 года назад

    So beautiful.

  • @nastya_dances9185
    @nastya_dances9185 Год назад

    Прекрасно!!!👏👏👏🙏🙏🙏🌹🌹🌹

  • @thomasprislacjr.4063
    @thomasprislacjr.4063 9 лет назад +12

    They sound lovely. IMHO, It's better to have them be still in their motivation than to have them moving for the sake of movement. The voices would have sold this alone. The unmotivated blocking distracts from it a bit. Trust the actors to interact with each other in a motivated and emotional manner as these two can. All in all though this is a lovely performance.
    A better story telling method would be to have the scene shift around their anchored, emotional center. At this point, given the plot, there is greater motivation to symbolize strength and stability being still among the continuing chaos of existence. A brief yet profound moment in time to end it on.
    Someday I'll direct....someday :)

    • @HConstantine
      @HConstantine 8 лет назад +1

      +Thomas Prislac Jr. (PDXVoiceTeacher) Even better would be to edit the damn thing like a real film

  • @Katyatina
    @Katyatina 4 года назад

    Fantastic..

  • @almafavela7498
    @almafavela7498 5 лет назад +2

    lo mas hermoso que he escuchado en mi vida

  • @AnnaLevi100
    @AnnaLevi100 11 лет назад +5

    Бесподобный дуэт, как у них сочетаются голоса!

  • @jocelyneka
    @jocelyneka 12 лет назад +2

    sublime !

  • @evimarouli4251
    @evimarouli4251 4 года назад

    Amazing...!!!

  • @woufwoufful
    @woufwoufful 11 лет назад

    aaah thank you ! you're so right

  • @WellingtonSantos
    @WellingtonSantos 8 лет назад +4

    Maravilhosos!

  • @mckavitt13
    @mckavitt13 9 лет назад +13

    There are any number of Baroque techniques possible. Real scooping is not, i think, one of them. But is this really scooping? Yakar plays with her vocal lines alot, but is so sexy and musically sound, she just makes it all meaningful and, better still, credible. This is lovely too!

    • @thomasprislacjr.4063
      @thomasprislacjr.4063 9 лет назад +3

      mckavitt13 I have to admit that it took me out of the moment at first but, upon subsequent viewings, it didn't. Interesting choices for her to make. It got me to listen multiple times which I would consider a win any day. :)

  • @lithostheory
    @lithostheory 5 лет назад +3

    Lovely duet!

  • @johnbugler687
    @johnbugler687 Год назад +1

    Sublime !

  • @Loiratgn
    @Loiratgn 12 лет назад +1

    Muy bonito!!!!!!

  • @blindinglight7839
    @blindinglight7839 5 лет назад

    I’ve always loved this duettò. But now I love it even more, this scene is so beautiful. I swear my heart is so glowing right now, that’s how I’m feeling. Simply beautiful. (P.s I think it’s a bit fast but that’s only my opinion).

  • @Avedissalitis
    @Avedissalitis 8 лет назад +2

    Normally I don't like De Niese but here she excels herself.