The small versions are labeled as "MoonServant_tibi" in their AI, but the "ti" and "chi" sound are represented by the same kana, ち or チ, meaning it's likely what would usually be rendered as "chibi". The missing "MoonServant_baby" is also called "ユニーク" (unique) in the Japanese character list, which may also imply something more peculiar about it.
perhaps they thought about revisiting the baby skeleton mechanic from ds1 but decided against it. i would agree with that decision if it were the case. lol
The first thing that came in mind, was Mergo by seeing baby envoy in the video. I am probably just making it complicated but to be clear, it was planned to be another enemy variant or something else entirely? :)
If the envoys are not actually aligned with anyone, just imagine being the current ruler with these symbols of the transfer of power doot-dooting outside your door.
@@viljamtheninja Wait, there were? All that ear torture was because they were fans of player character? Shame that next course of action for them was to blow lethal bubbles at me. And breaking my psyche while in the branches of a certain tree.
The envoys are a great example of how FromSoft genuinely does have a sense of humor. Like... look at them. Snowman-looking, bubble-blowing, doot-horn-wielding, spin-walking idiots. They're one of the goofiest enemies FromSoft has ever made.
I raise you the giant naked fatman in bloodborne who constantly rolls around his area while fighting. and when he dies his drop is almost always centered above his ass.
I love how these guys appear whenever a new age is coming, because that strongly implies that Mohg's dynasty was never gonna be a thing. You don't see any of them in his blood palace
@@elissalesse8320 Buddy? Do we know each other? Thanks for the update though. Also, was I wrong about Micky Boy being in the DLC? Was I at least half right?
I think it's worth mentioning their bubble attacks, and how that might indicate some relationship or shared origins with the clay men in the Eternal Cities. The spell is called "Great Oracular Bubble", the keyword being related to oracles. Here's the description: "Sorcery of the claymen who served as priests in the ancient dynasty. ... The claymen search for lost oracles within their bubbles." Bubbles seem thematically tied to searching, according to this description.
@@vagabundorkchaosmagick-use2898 the literal meaning of the word doesn't speak to its pop-culture usage as slang. Given the fact that the term is widely used in Japan to refer to 'cute-ified' versions of characters with rounded heads and stubby arms, I would say you are very wrong.
The Oracle Envoy presence in the Haligtree feels fairly evidently- I think at least- a response to Malenia's upcoming godhood ascension during your fight with her. Just as their presence at Leyendell is as a response to your own eventual ascension. Both appear exclusively at the start of their respective areas, and both areas are the only two to end with someone becoming some sort of god. Their former presence in Deeproot is probably in response to Godwyn's ascension to Prince of Death, but as he is already that by the time you arrive, FROM probably decided that their presence no longer made any sense in the area.
I'm still so curious as to wtf they are... Their clothing and symbology seems to be representative of the Elden ring, but the items they drop liken them more to crabs, lobsters, and land squirts in anatomy...
More than Malenia, they were more realated to Miquella, since he was the most apropiated to be a "ruler-god" (there a re a lot of vids explaining that from a lot of lore hunters"
@@Hurtdeer They are. They are envoys of a coming age or god, meaning if they can somehow sense or see the future, they are oracles as well. They're not "Oracle's Envoy" they're "Oracle Envoys".
They are really similar to the beings that keep the Lovecraftian God "azatoth" asleep with the sound of their flutes. In fact the mere fact that they only arrive once a new God is coming its a pretty similar reason of the ones in Lovecraft mythos, as they also act as emissaries of the direct sons of Azatoth the one who sleeps.
Azatoth wasn't the only Lovecraftian god to whom flutes were associated. Nyarlathotep was often referred to as the "amorphous flute-player" and the misshapen moon-dwelling creatures that revered him played ivory flutes to call to him.
While I always love my lovecraft referenced, I suppose in this case it's more related to christian mythology, where trumpets sound at the time of Christ's return. Quite notibly there is talking about seven trumpets and the horn the big envoy plays has seven openings. Not much into christian belief myself so most of this is pretty muche hear say, but given how many christian references are found in Eldenring I had to bring this up
@@arcanaobscura3519 the difference being that there's literally Lovecraftian Gods in the game, Christ trumpets are most likely figurative of his second coming, and even if it was literal I doubt they would be so absurdly similar (like the one in ER are) to the most common description of the aliens I mentioned. I understand that sometimes some references to Lovecraft are a stretch but not this one, this one it's about as direct as the Erd tree (visually) is a direct reference to Berserk
the Ranni thing makes me wonder if they had like an entire third act dedicated to different endings, like imagine if the world or at least the plateau and it's enemies changed depending on the ending you chose, making these guys appear if you decided to not help Ranni with her quest or frenzied enemies appearing to stop you or fight with other followers if you joined the frenzied flame
"And unfortunately, removing it doesn't provide much detail." Zullie has added comedic timing to the various ways their videos have been getting even better.
Can we all take a moment to appreciate Zullies' effort in portraying these mysteries/theories (i dont know what to call them)? Their growth has been absolutely outstanding, both in editing and subscribers. Thank you for providing such wonderful and entertaining content Zullie 🙏
There's a creature in the Cthulhu Mythos called "Servitors". They are warped tentacle masses that herald the Outer Gods, playing a cacophony of sound on alien flutes. The Envoys reminded me of them quite a bit, but mixed with Old Testament Seraphim.
Rather than the Deeproot envoys being associated with Godwyn, and given their prior association with Ranni, I'm wondering if these enemies were slated to appear to the player only after having initiated certain flags in the various ending quests, resulting in more of a dynamic introduction to the story. E.g. Once you marry Ranni, the envoys would appear in the cathedral above, and maybe retroactively around Renna's Rise. Similarly, the envoys may have appeared in the Depths after giving Fia both halves of the Cursemark of Death where she lies at the end of her quest. There are already envoys in upper Leyndell where Goldmask's story ends - and while Dungeater and the Three Fingers are both technically in Leyndell as well, wouldn't it be interesting if there were also envoys in the loadlists for the Sewers/Shunning Grounds?
Or maybe they just planned to use the envoys on the branches in Deeproot Depths similar to the Haligtree branches but then replaced them with those gargoyles.
"The claymen search for lost oracles within their bubbles." Have you considered the link between these Oracle Envoys and the Claymen? The claymen arms and necks seem familiar in length. Perhaps they were failed oracles for their dynasties. In any case, it's wonderful what you're doing on this channel Zullie. Each reveal is extremely interesting and revitalizes my interest in the game.
Or perhaps the Claymen are failed artificial Oracles made by the Nox or since they search for oracles, a tool to seek and capture them for the Nox in yet another attempt to end the age of the Erd Tree.
That's definitely a possibility. Though, now that I think of it, the headdresses of the envoy oracles and the nox swordstress does have a mite of similarity. I wonder if there's something going on there too now, but I may just be grasping at straws.
They really remind me of the Lunarians from Houseki No Kuni, even down to their instruments. Even the song you paired with this reminds me of their introduction in the anime
Their presence at the Haligtree is surely to herald the changes of the empyrion twins. Miquella's failed ascension and/or Malenia's ascension to a goddess of rot.
Definitely one of my longest weapon farming.... I either got killed before reaching it, fell from the tree by not jumping right or killed it only to get rewarded with white meat....
would be neat to imagine their bodies consisting only a big set of lungs to doot-doot all days along, crafted specie just to make a herald announcing the gods.
Hey zullie, always wondered, where do you get all this meta info? Do you do the data digging yourself, or do you just archive what people have found here and there? Amazing work as usual btw!
I mostly work by myself, though I'll sometimes consult with other modders and dataminers who know more about certain technical aspects than I do. I also have the benefit of using the tools our community has built for, so I'm always getting help in that regard.
there's a whole community of people digging around the files and datamining, so I'd imagine it's a bit of both. Zullie definitely finds a lot themself tho.
The meta data is part of the files. You can inspect the maps/levels, check their load orders, etc., as well as other information for things like models.
I love them so much. I enjoy listening to their music any time i visit the capital. They're so fascinating and alien. Also woo! Envoy horns are the best! longhorn stunlock on bosses is so fun ❤
That moment when u just went out to the wall from outer wall grace and seeing the majestic sight of Gransax and the capital with the erdtree, with envoys' horn soundtrack, that was phenomenal for me. Until much later they became annoying wih the bubbles.
We wrote a whole lore vid on how they could be connected to the albinaurics but the fact that they drop the white flesh and we're labeled as moon servants pretty much shoots that idea down. Now they feel more like a creature who had their lore separated from their use in-game. Zulie's data dives are incredible.
I always figured that they were indeed the Albinaurics that went to the Haligtree, since it is stated in Loretta's descriptions that she led the Albinaurics there for safety. As for the blood difference, it's quite possible that they've been modified by the Haligtree, much like all the other servants of Malenia and Miquella.
Their round legless lower half remind me of daruma statues, which are apparently a depiction of a zen monk that meditated for so long that his legs disappeared.
It's been a while since I've played so excuse my lack of...words. Anything to their magic? They use bubble magic. The, uh, "clay" guys down underground also use bubble magic. I remember the clay guys magic being about "oracles." It seems unlikely that there isn't some connection between two groups using "bubble magic." Thanks for the videos. At this point you're my number one lore channel. The examination of in-game assets provides important context clues to what is or what might be.
I laughed so hard when I first saw these things! You're greeted with this amazing scene of the Tree and the city. Then pan left and are greeted with the sight of these Stay Puff'd derplings twirling around playing Hot Cross Buns on recorders!
I'm a bit surprised you didn't mention that the clay men are apparently looking for them, based on the descriptions of their bubble spells. I have no clue what that implies, other than that the oracle envoys possibly date back to the civilization that build the ancient ruin architecture such as uld palace and the structure that became moghwyn palace. The bubble sorceries seemingly being a sorcery-based mimicry of the holy damage bubbles made by the envoy horns is interesting and could have some pretty broad implications.
Maybe with Ranni being an empyrean could make that odd link a little more thick? Maybe in early development there was some tie? Idk just an idea to spring from
These are such interesting looking/acting characters. Easily a personal favorite. Really hope we learn more about them in the DLC or at some point down the line!
Imagine a boss version of one of these that summons minions throughout the fight and it's just a wild mess of bubbles and and a giant one of these guys rolling around the arena.
Next to the Malenia blossomed flowers there are tombstones with laying statues on them, depicting either monks or priests who wear the same head cloth( only it covers the entire face and still has this alien look). I recon that they were high ranking individuals who earned honor by serving Haligtree from still living Miquella. The remaining ones including children( judging by the size) went through some grotesque transformation probably for the purpose of rebirth like Miquella, whom they seem to praise very much. Theese oracles are either an early or a late stage of that transformation.
I imagine that the "long lost oracles" that the Claymen seek "in their bubbles" are the Oracle envoys who might have heralded their dynasty's rise to power. Hoping to see them appear again is them clinging to a long lost hope.
I never once looked at these things close enough to realize it was a hat. I just assumed they were monsters and a tribute to the mushroom people from Dark Souls.
The envoys remind me a lot of descriptions of the Court Of Azathoth in Cthulhu mythos. In the domain of this seemingly mindless god of chaos, amorphous flute players gather, tooting their instruments in worship. Given that Elden Ring has no shortage of cosmic horror inspiration, I can see these creatures being the servants of some incomprehensible cosmic will, just here as a pleasantry, blowing their horns to sound in a new age.
I want to believe the Heralds were at the Haligtree for Miquella. Before he was kidnapped by Mhog he was in a caccoon within the Haligtree in order to age up and ascend to godhood. Perhaps he was reaching the level with f divinity sparking the Heralds’ appearance before he got snatched.
We interpret the horn as an instrument but what if it's like a listening horn and they're trying to listen for something in the cosmos that is approaching? Definitely not the case but I want more cosmic horror
Love the implication here that they're actually much more alien beings than they look and their mouth actually functions as an ear. An ear that can blow. Amazing I love it
The Outer Gods are ripe with potential cosmic horror and I expect at least a little more info on at least one of them from future DLC. The scorpion stinger dagger says it's a relic from a sealed outer god of rot, that implies it's a giant scorpion like God that is sealed away somewhere. Unlike something like the Formless Mother, who does not inhabit a physical form and seems to be some dimension of sentient fireblood that Mohg opens a portal to and grabs some to throw at you as an attack. There's all kinds of weirdness to get deeper into, those are just the two outer gods I find are less talked about but I have some info about. I can't imagine they plan for DLC and don't divulge a little info or give us a peak at something. Dark Souls 1 and 3 had some incredible DLC that let us time travel to the past and to the future, showing us things we would have never known otherwise (like where Oolacile was and went or how the numerous ages of fire turn the entire world into a giant ash desert at the end of time).
@@The_Fat_Turtle The god of rot was sealed under the lake of rot by the blind swordsman, who if I remember correctly was the mentor of Malenia. That's also why those rot insects are gathered in the grand cloister, it's close to their god.
A note about most Albinaurics. No matter the form, they bleed silver. Whether it be in lore, items, particle effects, or the _splatter textures_ that get tossed on the ground. At first, I thought Envoys were Albinaurics as well, but before I realized the impication of the Bloodless Flesh, I noticed something else; As I killed a few, I realized that the area wasn't caked in silver blood, as with other Albinaurics, so I assumed there just weren't any for some reason. But there _was._ a conspicious area of ground, relfecting light, shaped like the usual blood splatter, right where I just fought one. I'm not sure, it could be just me mistaking a random puddle, but I think these fellas just bleed straight _water._
Before I started watching all these Elden Ring videos, I didn't realize the Envoys had human mouths and interpreted what we can see of their faces as weird fleshy beaks.
With these guys appearance signalling the coming of a new god, it makes sense that seeing them in the capital would represent you becoming the new Lord. At the Haligtree however, they aren't there for you. They are there for Melenia. A fantastic piece of foreshadowing for the god you are about to combat.
I believe they're related to Lovecraft lore, not Ranni. Azathoth, the main entity in HPL's cosmovision is surrounded by a court of beings which play the flute. Azathoth's main representative and agent is Nyarlathotep and is closely related to the moon, having an important outpost there.
they're kinda similar to these lovecraftian creatures called Servitors of the Outer Gods that also carry whistling instruments and have a connection to gods
Thinking about the envoys i realize that the premise of a land controlled by mayor forces that want stagnation and you are the ultimate agent of change is a concept that we see many many times in different ip's, games and series and i'm not tired of it
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The small versions are labeled as "MoonServant_tibi" in their AI, but the "ti" and "chi" sound are represented by the same kana, ち or チ, meaning it's likely what would usually be rendered as "chibi". The missing "MoonServant_baby" is also called "ユニーク" (unique) in the Japanese character list, which may also imply something more peculiar about it.
i personally really like these loadlists as it can give some interesting insights into some enemies' lore.
perhaps they thought about revisiting the baby skeleton mechanic from ds1 but decided against it. i would agree with that decision if it were the case. lol
Chibi/chibiko is a word used for characters that are tiny, usually with a small body but big head
The first thing that came in mind, was Mergo by seeing baby envoy in the video. I am probably just making it complicated but to be clear, it was planned to be another enemy variant or something else entirely? :)
@@a10bam420 I used to think that the skelle babies were creepy until I found the mutilated fetuses swamp in demon souls
If the envoys are not actually aligned with anyone, just imagine being the current ruler with these symbols of the transfer of power doot-dooting outside your door.
do not ask for the herald doots for, the herald doots for thee
Upon learning that they were doot-dooting for my arrival, I feel kinda bad for slaughtering them.
@@viljamtheninja Wait, there were? All that ear torture was because they were fans of player character? Shame that next course of action for them was to blow lethal bubbles at me. And breaking my psyche while in the branches of a certain tree.
@@tsm688 You missed the "whom" 😮
@@chillax319 yeah I get confused even when I run past them. They wanna attack me lol
"What's under their big weird hat? Mostly disappointment." Finally, a character that I can relate to.
laughed so loudly when the cloth was removed. something about just the face and arms is hilarious.
It's meme man!
definitely meme man
With how many enemies have something under the cloth layer you just don't expect this one to have almost nothing.
Lol this is perfect meme. Make a tarnished have a mind thinking what is inside their outfit and they show themselves like this haha 😂
It had to do it to them
My favorites envoys are the two in Leyndell that simply...roll. They don’t blow their horns, they don’t really attack you, they just vibe.
Mystifying moments like that are one the things I like most about Miyazaki's games.
oh, to be a weaponless, eternally-rolling ball of cloth and flesh
@@jackkendall6420 the ultimate life form. Peak of evolution
@@meekalefox2703 close, considering the Raya Lucarian concept of the ultimate lifeform and final evolution of humans is a giant stone ball
Which ones are those in Leyndell?
I was disappointed to find out they weren't giant snowmen during my first playthrough
They aren’t? I never thought to think otherwise! They’re clearly snowmen!
@@meljXD2 Lmao, the oracle envoy's were CLEARLY inspired by snowmen, lol. I think most people see em as snowmen too.
Snowman 😂
same im heartbroken
The envoys are a great example of how FromSoft genuinely does have a sense of humor. Like... look at them. Snowman-looking, bubble-blowing, doot-horn-wielding, spin-walking idiots. They're one of the goofiest enemies FromSoft has ever made.
And at the same time, there is something eerie and even cosmic about them...
„You may use the doll however you wish“
GOOD GOD NO YOU DIRTY OLD MAN!
😂
Their model is based off of the floaty statue demons from DS1, who are truly the goofiest. There’s nothing funny about being dooted out of a tree!
I raise you the giant naked fatman in bloodborne who constantly rolls around his area while fighting. and when he dies his drop is almost always centered above his ass.
the same applies, among others, to those goat/sheep that roll away like the perfonification of some meme lol
I love how these guys appear whenever a new age is coming, because that strongly implies that Mohg's dynasty was never gonna be a thing. You don't see any of them in his blood palace
Yeah, next DLC might center around that. The envoys outside of the Haligtree wasn't for no reason.
poor mogh
@@LloydsSky9 they were there for Malenia, who very obviously becomes a goddess in her second phase. this has been figured out for awhile, buddy.
@@elissalesse8320 Buddy? Do we know each other? Thanks for the update though. Also, was I wrong about Micky Boy being in the DLC? Was I at least half right?
@@elissalesse8320well, don’t snap at me for asking, but… how does Malenia being a goddess of rot have anything to do with a new age?
I think it's worth mentioning their bubble attacks, and how that might indicate some relationship or shared origins with the clay men in the Eternal Cities. The spell is called "Great Oracular Bubble", the keyword being related to oracles. Here's the description:
"Sorcery of the claymen who served as priests in the ancient dynasty.
...
The claymen search for lost oracles within their bubbles."
Bubbles seem thematically tied to searching, according to this description.
and they wouldn't have blood if they were made of clay.
The veils covering their eyes look similar to those worn by the Nox Swordstresses
In next age they Will seek no bubles, but eyes....
Zullie came back to this concept today
Absolutely adore how the tiny ones are referred too as "chibi"
Even better is how the big ones are just outright called "fat."
@@iboofer Which makes it even funnier becacuse people are fond of calling them chonkers or absolute units, which was quite spot on.
But chibi isn't really a cute word, in Japanese. It's neutral, like little or small.
@@vagabundorkchaosmagick-use2898 the literal meaning of the word doesn't speak to its pop-culture usage as slang. Given the fact that the term is widely used in Japan to refer to 'cute-ified' versions of characters with rounded heads and stubby arms, I would say you are very wrong.
@@Neirean That's not true.
The Oracle Envoy presence in the Haligtree feels fairly evidently- I think at least- a response to Malenia's upcoming godhood ascension during your fight with her. Just as their presence at Leyendell is as a response to your own eventual ascension. Both appear exclusively at the start of their respective areas, and both areas are the only two to end with someone becoming some sort of god.
Their former presence in Deeproot is probably in response to Godwyn's ascension to Prince of Death, but as he is already that by the time you arrive, FROM probably decided that their presence no longer made any sense in the area.
I'm still so curious as to wtf they are... Their clothing and symbology seems to be representative of the Elden ring, but the items they drop liken them more to crabs, lobsters, and land squirts in anatomy...
Sounds possiblle and logical. You might be right
@@monsieurdorgat6864 they're envoys of an oracle. i think the more interesting question is who- or what- is the oracle?
More than Malenia, they were more realated to Miquella, since he was the most apropiated to be a "ruler-god" (there a re a lot of vids explaining that from a lot of lore hunters"
@@Hurtdeer They are. They are envoys of a coming age or god, meaning if they can somehow sense or see the future, they are oracles as well. They're not "Oracle's Envoy" they're "Oracle Envoys".
One of my favorite enemy designs from this game. The way they look and move is simultaneously hilarious and really creepy.
They are really similar to the beings that keep the Lovecraftian God "azatoth" asleep with the sound of their flutes. In fact the mere fact that they only arrive once a new God is coming its a pretty similar reason of the ones in Lovecraft mythos, as they also act as emissaries of the direct sons of Azatoth the one who sleeps.
Tuneless music, yes.
Azatoth wasn't the only Lovecraftian god to whom flutes were associated. Nyarlathotep was often referred to as the "amorphous flute-player" and the misshapen moon-dwelling creatures that revered him played ivory flutes to call to him.
While I always love my lovecraft referenced, I suppose in this case it's more related to christian mythology, where trumpets sound at the time of Christ's return. Quite notibly there is talking about seven trumpets and the horn the big envoy plays has seven openings. Not much into christian belief myself so most of this is pretty muche hear say, but given how many christian references are found in Eldenring I had to bring this up
@@arcanaobscura3519 How about a bit of both?
@@arcanaobscura3519 the difference being that there's literally Lovecraftian Gods in the game, Christ trumpets are most likely figurative of his second coming, and even if it was literal I doubt they would be so absurdly similar (like the one in ER are) to the most common description of the aliens I mentioned.
I understand that sometimes some references to Lovecraft are a stretch but not this one, this one it's about as direct as the Erd tree (visually) is a direct reference to Berserk
the Ranni thing makes me wonder if they had like an entire third act dedicated to different endings, like imagine if the world or at least the plateau and it's enemies changed depending on the ending you chose, making these guys appear if you decided to not help Ranni with her quest or frenzied enemies appearing to stop you or fight with other followers if you joined the frenzied flame
The transition at 1:39 was MONEY!!!!
Wow, yeah, that was great.
"And unfortunately, removing it doesn't provide much detail."
Zullie has added comedic timing to the various ways their videos have been getting even better.
I love your videos always crack me up...
Can we all take a moment to appreciate Zullies' effort in portraying these mysteries/theories (i dont know what to call them)? Their growth has been absolutely outstanding, both in editing and subscribers. Thank you for providing such wonderful and entertaining content Zullie 🙏
Yea she did, and deserves praise. But every video someone make this comment
@Azo I'm taking two moments to compensate.
I like to imagine that they have a giant head of hair under those bandages
There's a creature in the Cthulhu Mythos called "Servitors". They are warped tentacle masses that herald the Outer Gods, playing a cacophony of sound on alien flutes. The Envoys reminded me of them quite a bit, but mixed with Old Testament Seraphim.
This is the Zullie video i have been waiting for.
The beautiful simplicity of your videos yet the depth of your research probabaly makes this my favorite channel
Rather than the Deeproot envoys being associated with Godwyn, and given their prior association with Ranni, I'm wondering if these enemies were slated to appear to the player only after having initiated certain flags in the various ending quests, resulting in more of a dynamic introduction to the story. E.g. Once you marry Ranni, the envoys would appear in the cathedral above, and maybe retroactively around Renna's Rise. Similarly, the envoys may have appeared in the Depths after giving Fia both halves of the Cursemark of Death where she lies at the end of her quest. There are already envoys in upper Leyndell where Goldmask's story ends - and while Dungeater and the Three Fingers are both technically in Leyndell as well, wouldn't it be interesting if there were also envoys in the loadlists for the Sewers/Shunning Grounds?
Or maybe they just planned to use the envoys on the branches in Deeproot Depths similar to the Haligtree branches but then replaced them with those gargoyles.
The literally look like pairs of little round moons.
0:40 I nearly fell out of my chair laughing when you removed that cloth texture. Holy shit lmao.
"The claymen search for lost oracles within their bubbles." Have you considered the link between these Oracle Envoys and the Claymen? The claymen arms and necks seem familiar in length. Perhaps they were failed oracles for their dynasties.
In any case, it's wonderful what you're doing on this channel Zullie. Each reveal is extremely interesting and revitalizes my interest in the game.
Or perhaps the Claymen are failed artificial Oracles made by the Nox or since they search for oracles, a tool to seek and capture them for the Nox in yet another attempt to end the age of the Erd Tree.
That's definitely a possibility. Though, now that I think of it, the headdresses of the envoy oracles and the nox swordstress does have a mite of similarity. I wonder if there's something going on there too now, but I may just be grasping at straws.
They really remind me of the Lunarians from Houseki No Kuni, even down to their instruments. Even the song you paired with this reminds me of their introduction in the anime
love the cinematography in your vids
Their presence at the Haligtree is surely to herald the changes of the empyrion twins. Miquella's failed ascension and/or Malenia's ascension to a goddess of rot.
I love that the small ones are called chibi
The shot composition and camera work in this video is off the charts
Of all the NPCs in Elden Ring, the ones I want to know the most about at the Trumpet Snowmen.
I saw a notification saying "Elden Ring - Mostly disappointment" without the context of the thumbnail and I was ready to throw hands
Farming for the large envoy horn was such a pain.
Definitely one of my longest weapon farming.... I either got killed before reaching it, fell from the tree by not jumping right or killed it only to get rewarded with white meat....
Never on my entire life have I seen every single video of a youtube channel, thank you for your work and investigations ! Always interesting
Since they heralding the Tarnished becoming the next Elden Lord, they very well know they cannot win fighting against Tarnished on the wall.
We not gona go into the lore of that dumpy?
That shot of the moon being revealed behind the envoy's head wrap was so, so cool.
Zullie has a vested interest in big hat lore
would be neat to imagine their bodies consisting only a big set of lungs to doot-doot all days along, crafted specie just to make a herald announcing the gods.
I really appreciate the non-clickbait nature of the video title.
The middle-sized one's horn IS ONE OF THE BEST WEAPONS EVER
Horn of the doot shower, slayer of dragons
@@iioxy7530 foos roh DOOT
Hey zullie, always wondered, where do you get all this meta info? Do you do the data digging yourself, or do you just archive what people have found here and there? Amazing work as usual btw!
I mostly work by myself, though I'll sometimes consult with other modders and dataminers who know more about certain technical aspects than I do. I also have the benefit of using the tools our community has built for, so I'm always getting help in that regard.
there's a whole community of people digging around the files and datamining, so I'd imagine it's a bit of both. Zullie definitely finds a lot themself tho.
@Fernando R nobody knows, nobody cares, we love Zullie regardless
The meta data is part of the files. You can inspect the maps/levels, check their load orders, etc., as well as other information for things like models.
@Fernando R She's a girl. But she never made a face reveal. Guess she wants people focusing on her work, not her gender, and I respect that.
I love them so much. I enjoy listening to their music any time i visit the capital. They're so fascinating and alien.
Also woo! Envoy horns are the best! longhorn stunlock on bosses is so fun ❤
This is my absolute favorite Elden Ring channel
1:01 massive dumpy
Everyday I sit down to eat my lunch and you post a vid, I love it. And I love you
I never knew getting hit by bubbles could hurt so much.
Great video, Zullie.
now that's what I call A DUMP TRUCK
That moment when u just went out to the wall from outer wall grace and seeing the majestic sight of Gransax and the capital with the erdtree, with envoys' horn soundtrack, that was phenomenal for me. Until much later they became annoying wih the bubbles.
We wrote a whole lore vid on how they could be connected to the albinaurics but the fact that they drop the white flesh and we're labeled as moon servants pretty much shoots that idea down. Now they feel more like a creature who had their lore separated from their use in-game. Zulie's data dives are incredible.
Thank you for always illuminating these things. I always appreciate seeing a video you make. Hope you're well!
I find it funny how the tall one's instrument makes this very low quality MIDI sound
I love this lore - thank you for all these videos with a modder's eye!
The moon connection would certainly explain why they’re so round
I really do love your videos; the simple shot of the oracle looking up at Godwyn is just perfect, it implies so much
Always a pleasure, Zullie!
I always figured that they were indeed the Albinaurics that went to the Haligtree, since it is stated in Loretta's descriptions that she led the Albinaurics there for safety. As for the blood difference, it's quite possible that they've been modified by the Haligtree, much like all the other servants of Malenia and Miquella.
Their round legless lower half remind me of daruma statues, which are apparently a depiction of a zen monk that meditated for so long that his legs disappeared.
I'm happy we have an answer as to why they were outside the Haligtree
1:18 zullie respectfully staring
It's been a while since I've played so excuse my lack of...words.
Anything to their magic? They use bubble magic. The, uh, "clay" guys down underground also use bubble magic. I remember the clay guys magic being about "oracles." It seems unlikely that there isn't some connection between two groups using "bubble magic."
Thanks for the videos. At this point you're my number one lore channel. The examination of in-game assets provides important context clues to what is or what might be.
Kinda hoped of something more i admit. I got intrigued witht the helmet's description they drop.
This is great. Thank you Zullie !
What's under their big weird hat? My guess would be their big weird head.
I laughed so hard when I first saw these things! You're greeted with this amazing scene of the Tree and the city. Then pan left and are greeted with the sight of these Stay Puff'd derplings twirling around playing Hot Cross Buns on recorders!
I'm a bit surprised you didn't mention that the clay men are apparently looking for them, based on the descriptions of their bubble spells. I have no clue what that implies, other than that the oracle envoys possibly date back to the civilization that build the ancient ruin architecture such as uld palace and the structure that became moghwyn palace. The bubble sorceries seemingly being a sorcery-based mimicry of the holy damage bubbles made by the envoy horns is interesting and could have some pretty broad implications.
Zelda Music fits so well in the elden ring verse! Love how you use it for most of your vids!
Maybe with Ranni being an empyrean could make that odd link a little more thick? Maybe in early development there was some tie? Idk just an idea to spring from
They remind me of the mysterious pipers that play flutes to keep azathoth asleep in lovecrafts Cthulhu mythos
These are such interesting looking/acting characters. Easily a personal favorite. Really hope we learn more about them in the DLC or at some point down the line!
Imagine a boss version of one of these that summons minions throughout the fight and it's just a wild mess of bubbles and and a giant one of these guys rolling around the arena.
The spatter when you hit the oracles is identical to the spatter from Elden Beast which probably means they're connected even more so than before
Their weird little arms made me think of the arm coming out of the cocoon in Mohg's cutscene.
Next to the Malenia blossomed flowers there are tombstones with laying statues on them, depicting either monks or priests who wear the same head cloth( only it covers the entire face and still has this alien look). I recon that they were high ranking individuals who earned honor by serving Haligtree from still living Miquella. The remaining ones including children( judging by the size) went through some grotesque transformation probably for the purpose of rebirth like Miquella, whom they seem to praise very much. Theese oracles are either an early or a late stage of that transformation.
I imagine that the "long lost oracles" that the Claymen seek "in their bubbles" are the Oracle envoys who might have heralded their dynasty's rise to power. Hoping to see them appear again is them clinging to a long lost hope.
I never once looked at these things close enough to realize it was a hat. I just assumed they were monsters and a tribute to the mushroom people from Dark Souls.
round little fellas
The envoys remind me a lot of descriptions of the Court Of Azathoth in Cthulhu mythos. In the domain of this seemingly mindless god of chaos, amorphous flute players gather, tooting their instruments in worship. Given that Elden Ring has no shortage of cosmic horror inspiration, I can see these creatures being the servants of some incomprehensible cosmic will, just here as a pleasantry, blowing their horns to sound in a new age.
I want to believe the Heralds were at the Haligtree for Miquella. Before he was kidnapped by Mhog he was in a caccoon within the Haligtree in order to age up and ascend to godhood.
Perhaps he was reaching the level with f divinity sparking the Heralds’ appearance before he got snatched.
perhaps whats inside them is clay? it could be that they claymen were the oracles of the time of the dynast's empire
0:57 OH MY GOD THE CAKE
One thing that ties them to the moon is their shape. Big, white and round.
Man that title spiked my heart rate for a second
We interpret the horn as an instrument but what if it's like a listening horn and they're trying to listen for something in the cosmos that is approaching? Definitely not the case but I want more cosmic horror
Pale legless beings manifesting out of thin air to sound horns because they're sensing the coming of a new god is kind of cosmic horror already.
Love the implication here that they're actually much more alien beings than they look and their mouth actually functions as an ear.
An ear that can blow. Amazing I love it
The Outer Gods are ripe with potential cosmic horror and I expect at least a little more info on at least one of them from future DLC. The scorpion stinger dagger says it's a relic from a sealed outer god of rot, that implies it's a giant scorpion like God that is sealed away somewhere. Unlike something like the Formless Mother, who does not inhabit a physical form and seems to be some dimension of sentient fireblood that Mohg opens a portal to and grabs some to throw at you as an attack.
There's all kinds of weirdness to get deeper into, those are just the two outer gods I find are less talked about but I have some info about. I can't imagine they plan for DLC and don't divulge a little info or give us a peak at something. Dark Souls 1 and 3 had some incredible DLC that let us time travel to the past and to the future, showing us things we would have never known otherwise (like where Oolacile was and went or how the numerous ages of fire turn the entire world into a giant ash desert at the end of time).
@@The_Fat_Turtle The God of Rot, is sealed under the Lake of Rot if i am not mistaken.
@@The_Fat_Turtle The god of rot was sealed under the lake of rot by the blind swordsman, who if I remember correctly was the mentor of Malenia. That's also why those rot insects are gathered in the grand cloister, it's close to their god.
Probably my favorite enemies in the game. The mystery is so palpable.
A note about most Albinaurics. No matter the form, they bleed silver. Whether it be in lore, items, particle effects, or the _splatter textures_ that get tossed on the ground.
At first, I thought Envoys were Albinaurics as well, but before I realized the impication of the Bloodless Flesh, I noticed something else;
As I killed a few, I realized that the area wasn't caked in silver blood, as with other Albinaurics, so I assumed there just weren't any for some reason.
But there _was._ a conspicious area of ground, relfecting light, shaped like the usual blood splatter, right where I just fought one.
I'm not sure, it could be just me mistaking a random puddle, but I think these fellas just bleed straight _water._
They could be at the erdtree awaiting the blooming of the goddess of rot.
"Elden Ring - Mostly Dissapointment"
Damn, that's raw.
I haven't played elden ring, or any souls game very extensively in the past, but I really enjoy these trivia videos youre making.
I call them diaper gurus and my friends absolutely hate it
Can't wait to play as Baby Oracle in Elden Kart
Oh wow, I didn't realize they were holding my future beneath their clothes
since its Fromsoft and Miyazaki, i can only imagine the Baby Envoys would just essentially be a little ball with a face, floating around.
Before I started watching all these Elden Ring videos, I didn't realize the Envoys had human mouths and interpreted what we can see of their faces as weird fleshy beaks.
With these guys appearance signalling the coming of a new god, it makes sense that seeing them in the capital would represent you becoming the new Lord. At the Haligtree however, they aren't there for you. They are there for Melenia. A fantastic piece of foreshadowing for the god you are about to combat.
Bloodborne water professor vibes. Except they doot instead of spill cosmic goo
I believe they're related to Lovecraft lore, not Ranni.
Azathoth, the main entity in HPL's cosmovision is surrounded by a court of beings which play the flute. Azathoth's main representative and agent is Nyarlathotep and is closely related to the moon, having an important outpost there.
"First you honk, then you bonk!" ~ Nameless Tarnished
they're kinda similar to these lovecraftian creatures called Servitors of the Outer Gods that also carry whistling instruments and have a connection to gods
Well I'm not disappointed after watching this. Thanks Zullie!
They signal my arrival but they continue to blow bubbles at me? Heathens!
Thinking about the envoys i realize that the premise of a land controlled by mayor forces that want stagnation and you are the ultimate agent of change is a concept that we see many many times in different ip's, games and series and i'm not tired of it