The NBA '60s era EXPOSED by one of their OWN
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
- Although it's unfair to call the legends of the '60s plumbers, one NBA executive questioned the greatness of his top star. The author of "The All-Time Greatest NBA Book" series discusses the untold story of Bob Pettit being thrown under the bus by the St. Louis Hawks team owner.
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I always thought it was weird that Pettit had his best statistical year, but his team lost so many games. I wonder how we would have viewed him if he played throughout the 60s instead of the 50s 🤔
For real. His teams were competitive in the 50s and early 60s. It was when Wilt, Oscar, and Elgin were just starting their careers. Nobody wants to talk about that though
Bill Russel always praised Bob Petit has one of the all-time Greats.
Speaking for Chicago fans who are familiar with franchise owners of that era I would he careful giving credence to an owner's remarks on an aging star player looking for a raise. We can debate comparing evolving skills thru the eras, but owners public remarks are singularly calculated. I wouldn't regard his quotes as proof of much
The Hawk's bad season with Bob Pettit having a great season is not hard to understand.
They lost their all-star center Clyde Lovellette mid-season, who was a 20/10 guy. He played only 40 games. They lost their point guard Lenny Wilkins to service in the reserves, and he only played 20 games. Then they had chaos in their coaching, with two regular coaches and then Pettit as their third coach (player/coach) for the last six games.
So Pettit did his part to pick up the slack, and got his normal all-NBA numbers, except more. Considering he upped his numbers from his already superstar levels to his best statistical season, that was him coming through in a major way when the team was down. It just wasn't enough to win many games, considering the holes they had in their starting lineup, and their unstable coaching.
The next year they were back to their winning ways, with best record in the west, sweeping out Detroit, and then going the full 7 games with the LA Lakers for the western finals, winning three of their games at home until losing there in game 7.
What is the mystery? This context is obvious, and it isn't what the owner said.
probably more to do with their coaching situation that year and that they got a little bit worse while every other team got better as well. they were back to winning the next year
Yes, there are several types of players: those who can add value to others or replace them, substitutes, and those who only do their job well. Normally, for the second type of player, you need a good and balanced team.
When contracts are being negotiated, owners will say some interesting things.
The whole argument contradicts itself. If the NBA average was poor, how come the Hawks took such a beating, even though they had some players with some skills.
All previous time periods including some players are exposed if people look at things realistically. It doesn’t take away from what players did. Players of the same time period are going to “stick up” for each other and the team owner sounds like he was extremely realistic with proof.
Each decade of hoop it’s been “big fish in a small pond” which includes Mj’s time. Players can’t help when they’re born so it is what it is but with talent multiplying by greater numbers the league is now “big fish in a bigger pond” that’s going to keep expanding.
While a player can be very good who doesn’t dribble if the whole team fit that description could they be good? If every player on the team were so horrible at getting back in defense that they were fined could they be good?
With the nba being business entertainment based which means marketing, image creation and false narratives among other things “overall game”, overall skill sets are basically eliminated phrases and don’t come into play anymore when players are compared. The nba media has convinced the masses and others that a player who impacts one ened of the floor is better or more valuable than a player who impacts both ends which also trickles down to not crediting overall skill sets. Scottie Pippen, Klay Thompson for example are better basketball players than any 1 way great offensive player that’s ever been in the nba but due to business entertainment based marketing etc this will never be realized which is the same reason some people on here are acting like the owner isn’t being forthright when he is as he supplied reasoning behind what he said.
It’s not limited to Petit or the 60’s as some people are being unrealistic about the 80’s & 90’s as well. It’s not knocking players if it’s truthful like for example, Reggie Miller says how much he would score today and people try to blame defense or rules when more skilled players on the floor, more players that can handle on the floor, more players on the floor that will shoot 3 line in are the majority reason of why it’s easier to score but back to Reggie Miller who doesn’t talk about how much he would give up on the other end dealing with more players his size and bigger on the perimeter than he’s ever dealt with. In fact, it’s not a knock on his game but today Reggie wouldn’t be a first option on any nba team, not even the pistons and really wouldn’t be a second option either. The 80’s, 90’s had better D when there was 15 big guards, less athletes, less 2 way perimeter players by far than today, less small forwards and bigger that could guard in space, when no one could name 12 grear or very good defenses in any single year and when a 5’3 player who couldn’t shoot could play 14 yrs mostly as a starter including average double figures in three separate seasons but today wouldn’t get a look at an “open” g league tryout. No offense and credit to Mugsey but it’s just truth.
Today Carmelo Anthony, Russ, JWall, Younger Isaiah Thomas, JCrawford, Kemba, DRose etc would all still be starters at their current ages any year in the past eras and be better the farther they went back in time. Non-drafted players would be 1st and 2nd rd picks any drafts in the past including the best ones.
Credit has to be given to players for what they did in their time period but it should be looked at realistically but never really will be. The progression of players in the past and the farther you go back less players in the past could play today just like more players today could go back and play in the past will always reign true unless they start restricting who can play in the future. There’s way more 6’9 players and bigger that can handle the ball with more coming for example. That’s not a knock on past 6’9 players it’s just truth
It's hard to say what he was trying to accomplish by throwing his players under the bus like that. One bad year doesn't excuse such crappy behavior. Isn't this the same guy that refused to draft Bill Russell? I really don't know what to make of all of it.
Yeah but in the 60's teams were taking between 100-120 FG's a game at a terrible 40% FG leaving hundreds of missed shots a game so everybody was recording ridiculous numbers
The scores today are 144-108 so whats the difference do they play defence today too? Are you going to tell me that's what these type of scores indicate?????
@@johnnythekid4601 I'm talking about the number of FG attempts, not the number of points. Today even with all the bricked threes, teams still only take like 87 FG's a game
7:40 "Do you think those comments he said about his player were fair -- or was it the harsh truth?" In this kind of video, you probably want to end with options that are _different_ from one another -- so that you are actually offering a clear choice. Here, you've simply asked the same question twice. (I think you meant to say *"unfair.")*
Every team in every era needs a floor general. The Clippers failing in 2020 shows this, when Kawhi and PG13 weren't capable of running an offense yet. And neither Larry Bird in the 1980's, nor Steph Curry today, Klay Thompson today, Draymond today, nor Luka Doncic today are good at dunking. So, your criticisms are totally unfounded.
Even worse is that you're talking about players from the early 60's. By the mid to late 60's, the NBA had changed a lot. Here's a video regarding height: ruclips.net/video/KxfFW-UMHpo/видео.html
Now with all of that out of the way, I'll mention two video clips that I've seen that will demonstrate that the sixties are great. And this isn't just about the a-list stars, even though I'm focusing on them.
#1) Bill Russell blocking Wilt. So, context: Wilt isn't 7'1" by today's standards. He'd be listed at 7'2" (cuz we measure in shoes now). Wilt also has a short neck for his height. His shoulder height is like that of a 7'3" guy. His arm length is long even for a 7'3" guy. He jumps. And he has this fadeaway. Bill Russell is on tape blocking the fade-away cleanly at an impossible angle -- something guys as mobile as him like Giannis and Durant could never do. So, Bill Russell is that good. But Wilt can drop 30 on him. So, those guys are great, and there are a lot of guys in that era who can hang with them.
#2) Heinsohn hook over Wilt. I know it's another Wilt example, but Wilt, when jumping vertically can touch the top of the backward. I saw Heinsohn (who is small) do a hook that sailed rainbow-esque over a fully extended Wilt and went through the hoop.
You see, if somebody is watching a Golden State Warriors game today, you help them appreciate Steph by pointing out how defenders are also worried about where Steph *is going to be* and not just where he is. In the same sense, to appreciate 60's ball, you have to know the sorts of weird shots and amazing blocks they can do -- plus the different rules -- to help people see what's going on.
Anyway, I'm a new subscriber, and I loved your Kareem video. I just think that you went too far with some of the arguments in this video. Maybe Bob Petit is overrated, and maybe the early 60's are overrated. But mid to late 60's is hardcore ball -- just of a totally different style with totally different rules and culture.
No one is reading all that
Meaning player was getting better better these was 50 playas
You really shouldn't put so much weight into these people's opinions. Sounds pretty much like bs and sour grapes to me.