Just a thought! Don't have the comp on a particular date, or have it indoors. Cos there is LESS than a 50% chance of good weather on a particular date.
It's spelled Moffett Field and was originally NAS Sunnyvale. It was named after Medal Of Honor recipient Rear Admiral William A. Moffett after his death. I grew up under the final approach course.
At www.pattakon.com/GoFly/index.html you can read what this contest was for the contestants. At the above link you can also read some of the SAVED "Open Forum Discussions" in the GoFly / Herox Forum. The complaints were so many (and not only for non transparency) that on August 1, 2018 all discussions / threads were deleted by GoFly / Herox (and BOEING?). All pages of the GoFly/BOEING contest were beginning with: “Design and build a safe, quiet, ultra-compact, near-VTOL personal flying device capable of flying 20 miles while carrying a single person.“ Yet they changed even this basic rule / demand from 20 miles to 20 minutes. Think of the difference. Shame on you, organizers and BOEING. Manolis Pattakos
I remember reading about this competition and the requirements for design a couple of years ago. The size requirements were daunting and I didn't remember about the rotors or props being on the bottom requirement. It seems overly ambitions, like they were trying to make the "flying car" or something that can just land in a small spot say between parked cars on a street right from the get-go. Trying to run a marathon before you can even waddle across the room like a toddler. There's a common phrase, "baby steps". I've never heard "baby leaps over tall buildings". Even Superman waited till he got a bit older, eh? But for a million bucks, hell, why not give it a try. I have no real experience with quad copters so I don't know what works and what doesn't but with rotors that close together and relying on changing rpm as a means of stability and control, can the controllers react fast enough? It's not much footage to go on but I've seen enough of the multi-rotor human carrying machines in videos to see that they're more stable than that one with the fans tilted toward each other.
There was no rule that said the rotors or structure can’t be above the pilot at the beginning but Gwen had a habit of ‘reminding’ competitors about new rules if it helped her friends. Go-fly also changed the 20 miles range rule to 30 mins endurance, and tried to hide it by writing rule as 20 min (like oh we meant min not miles) and by the way we also need 10 minutes reserve (yeah it’s actually 30 miles, I mean min). Competitors were also reminded the device had to carry an aerospace spec anthropomorphic mannequin, costing $30,000 and no, ballast of equal mass and distribution was not allowed. Every team had to insure themselves but if they tried to use an insurer other than the one Go-fly recommended they were told it didn’t meet the requirements without even seeing the policy. The Go-fly insurance ‘deal’ was a ‘heavily discounted’ policy which had every possible eventually listed an a exception, there was effectively no insurance and the premium was 50x the market rate. Then there was documentation, certain parties, would be informed about rules for document deliverables months or years before other teams who got a couple of weeks notice. Go-fly arranged mentoring and reviews for some teams but others got no feedback or communication at all. Go-fly promised teams from the beginning that no-one would be able to take their IP as a result of the competition, then Go-fly secretively informed teams of a new rule demanding that teams hand over a share holding and assignment of IP. Anyone who complained just got their post deleted or their account disabled and a couple of months into the second phase of the completion they shut down all 4312 users from the competitors forum and deleted every post, with no explanation.
@@rob23062007 Thanks Rob for taking the time to explain the nitty gritty. I was thinking about joining the competition even though I would be three years behind the other teams, but now I think that I will just do it on my own. There are far too many things wrong with how this competition is set up and being run.
Why the foolish rule that the props have to be below the occupant?? even ignoring that high prop is superior, why would you set out to preclude possibly great configs.... and that team tetra thing, why?
I think lot of them did'nt solve the compactness and right design for ideal small personal flying vehicle,the only close design is the pegasus vtol design of a legend fighter jet.
Just a thought!
Don't have the comp on a particular date, or have it indoors. Cos there is LESS than a 50% chance of good weather on a particular date.
It's spelled Moffett Field and was originally NAS Sunnyvale. It was named after Medal Of Honor recipient Rear Admiral William A. Moffett after his death. I grew up under the final approach course.
At www.pattakon.com/GoFly/index.html you can read what this contest was for the contestants.
At the above link you can also read some of the SAVED "Open Forum Discussions" in the GoFly / Herox Forum.
The complaints were so many (and not only for non transparency) that on August 1, 2018 all discussions / threads were deleted by GoFly / Herox (and BOEING?).
All pages of the GoFly/BOEING contest were beginning with:
“Design and build a safe, quiet, ultra-compact, near-VTOL personal flying device capable of flying 20 miles while carrying a single person.“
Yet they changed even this basic rule / demand from 20 miles to 20 minutes.
Think of the difference.
Shame on you, organizers and BOEING.
Manolis Pattakos
I remember reading about this competition and the requirements for design a couple of years ago. The size requirements were daunting and I didn't remember about the rotors or props being on the bottom requirement. It seems overly ambitions, like they were trying to make the "flying car" or something that can just land in a small spot say between parked cars on a street right from the get-go. Trying to run a marathon before you can even waddle across the room like a toddler. There's a common phrase, "baby steps". I've never heard "baby leaps over tall buildings". Even Superman waited till he got a bit older, eh? But for a million bucks, hell, why not give it a try.
I have no real experience with quad copters so I don't know what works and what doesn't but with rotors that close together and relying on changing rpm as a means of stability and control, can the controllers react fast enough? It's not much footage to go on but I've seen enough of the multi-rotor human carrying machines in videos to see that they're more stable than that one with the fans tilted toward each other.
There was no rule that said the rotors or structure can’t be above the pilot at the beginning but Gwen had a habit of ‘reminding’ competitors about new rules if it helped her friends.
Go-fly also changed the 20 miles range rule to 30 mins endurance, and tried to hide it by writing rule as 20 min (like oh we meant min not miles) and by the way we also need 10 minutes reserve (yeah it’s actually 30 miles, I mean min). Competitors were also reminded the device had to carry an aerospace spec anthropomorphic mannequin, costing $30,000 and no, ballast of equal mass and distribution was not allowed.
Every team had to insure themselves but if they tried to use an insurer other than the one Go-fly recommended they were told it didn’t meet the requirements without even seeing the policy. The Go-fly insurance ‘deal’ was a ‘heavily discounted’ policy which had every possible eventually listed an a exception, there was effectively no insurance and the premium was 50x the market rate.
Then there was documentation, certain parties, would be informed about rules for document deliverables months or years before other teams who got a couple of weeks notice. Go-fly arranged mentoring and reviews for some teams but others got no feedback or communication at all.
Go-fly promised teams from the beginning that no-one would be able to take their IP as a result of the competition, then Go-fly secretively informed teams of a new rule demanding that teams hand over a share holding and assignment of IP.
Anyone who complained just got their post deleted or their account disabled and a couple of months into the second phase of the completion they shut down all 4312 users from the competitors forum and deleted every post, with no explanation.
@@rob23062007 Thanks Rob for taking the time to explain the nitty gritty. I was thinking about joining the competition even though I would be three years behind the other teams, but now I think that I will just do it on my own. There are far too many things wrong with how this competition is set up and being run.
I think they need much more wider airfoil fan blade chordline. Base on the latest turbofan
Why the foolish rule that the props have to be below the occupant?? even ignoring that high prop is superior, why would you set out to preclude possibly great configs....
and that team tetra thing, why?
Batteries batteries batteries. Its all about the batteries.
Ducted propeller under a balloon is the only way your going to get a mass market to fly. And still many will die.
I think lot of them did'nt solve the compactness and right design for ideal small personal flying vehicle,the only close design is the pegasus vtol design of a legend fighter jet.
I love to join
Go Ben!
Cool competition love it
The only thing that actually flew was a giant quad piloted by a kid somewhere OTHER than the sight of the GoFly Event. Flop.
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