This cat just explained more about the shell length problem with certain inertia driven shotguns than all the bright minds at federal ammunition company. They oughta write you a check sir, cause I argued with them over this problem for a month and never got a straight answer. You not only presented the problem but gave the solution. Bravo, well done sir.
Dave, good video. Now a word about shop safety. 1)wear safety glasses reloading. 2) see #1 3) see #1. You did a lot of banging the hull while looking at it from overhead. Don't have to guess what would happen if a TSS pellet found its way under the primer on the table. Also an old tip from a 60 year old Lyman reloading handbook. Start with all hull mouths down in the loading block and turn it upright after putting in the powder. This will help prevent failure to load and double charging should you get distracted. Keep up the good work.
So essentially there is little to no professional loading equipment needed to hand roll these beauties! That’s awesome. I did not know this. Now that I do though, I’ll be rolling my own from here on out. Love the TSS but those babies are high and getting higher, sometimes hard to find too. Thanks Dave!
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Loved this. Ive been wondering how you make your shells for 2 seasons now. Glad we're starting to get some of this behind the scenes content like last weeks with the trumpet!
Great video! I've been reloading my own rifle rounds for deer and have been wanting to start making my turkey loads also. This answered a lot of questions I had. Thanks Dave!!!
I’ve been waiting on this for a while. Call making video in the works? Thanks Dave, youth season opens for us this weekend! Trying to get my son his first long beard. He’s a big fan!!
Ur awesome bud. Keep doing what ur doing. I love to spring gobbler hunt and when I'm waiting for spring to roll back around i love watching u and chubs squirrel and slizzy hunting all different states. U guys be safe and keep bringing the great videos. Thanks
4 years ago I was loading my very first tss and did not have my personal process down. I knocked over a shell with tss in it but not sealed yet. Tss went everywhere on hardwood floor. as I'm attempting to pick up all the hundreds of shot my wife comes over to help and immediately knocks over another shell. To this day I still find a tss shot or 2 when sweeping!!!
Have you tried BPI 16/20 thin Mylar? Trimmed height wise you only need one piece. I use the same recipe from Hal that you do except mine has the 16/20 and you only need one piece to cover what you are doing with two.
They Mylars drove me nuts trying to keep them down in the wad. I ended up switching to TPS wads and stoped using Mylar. The Mylar is really only there to protect the barrel, the TPS wads are thicker. I have examined many after test shots and pellets do not press thru the wad at all. Unlike a CSD wad with out Mylar which you will find where pellets have pressed thru the wad.
Hey Dave, thanks for the video. One question. What is the approximate height of the hull material from the top of the overshot card to the top of the hull before you roll crimp? Hard to tell from the video. Wanting to make sure I've got the right amount of hull to make a good roll crimp.
I use the bags my potato chips come in they are mylar, and I use the Styrofoam that my sausage sits on that I get at the supermarket And I stamp little circles out of that.
Great video. Thanks for taking time out of your schedule to share. Can you make another DIY short video demonstrating your techniques on making your own diaphragm calls?
Get the 16/20 mylar and you don’t have to trim. Fits perfect. I was not getting good patterns and with the mylar and Hal told me to try it without. My pattern went from 250 in the 10” to 350 without. The mylar is supposed to protect the barrel but Hal said you would probably be okay with 9’s.
Very helpful video, glad to see another real Turkey hunter helping other fellow hunters. If you ever are in west central Mississippi, I would like to show you some very good hunting ground 👍and good luck this season.
Something soothing about handloading. Grew up loading trap shells with/for my Dad back in the late 70's before it became too expensive in his opinion. Been thinking about this recently as I've decided to try Turkey hunting with a shotgun instead of the bow this year, and 2 3/4" 12 gauge (going to use Dad's Winchester 1200 trap gun) have been few and far between here lately.
The Mylar is a PIA I ended up switching to TPS wads and stopped using Mylar. I also had cycling issues in a Benelli even after shortening the shell as you did. I found the issue for me was the area at the end of the Mag. The corners are rounded unlike a lot of guns that are more squared. If you get a gaep roll crimper it will leave the roll crimp outer edge more curved inward allowing it to cycle. Nice video!
I am started to load my own TSS for a 20 gauge Franchi. Could I ask what the beginning and end length (after roll crimping) your 20 gauge shells are that cycle out of your Benelli? Thank you! If my lengths are the same as yours and I still have problems I will buy one of the Gaep roll crispers.
Good Video! I have the same load data from Hal. I like how you use the ratchet and the 1/2" bolt. I'm going to give those two a go the next time I roll a few shells. For the particular load you are using in your video tutorial, I prefer to take the wads, add the cork, and the mylar before I insert them into the hulls. I'll get the powder in the hulls first, then I prepare the wads with the cork and mylar. Then insert the prepared wads into the hulls. It seems a bit easier, especially inserting the mylar this way. Take Care
Love the video! I too load TSS and get my shot from Hal. One thing I saw that I do that may help you is I use a 16-20ga Mylar wrap. I roll it the short way. I can use 1 piece without trimming in my shells. Hope to see more of your vids! Keep’m coming!
I didn't read all of the comments, but did anyone mention or ask, "why not just use a longer piece of mylar instead of using two pieces cupped inside one another"? Is there a reason that it has to be two different pieces? Or if you can find longer pieces, can you cut them to fit to go all the way around?
Dave, Thanks for the video. I’m all about adding another component to be more involved in the process. Started making diaphragms a few years ago and hope to add this into the mix soon. Good luck this season from a fellow N. Ga hunter.
Thanks for the video. This will be my first time reloading turkey shells. I have five 12ga 3.5 inch Federal #9s. Can I use that powder for my 20 gauge 3 inch turkey loads? Is it the same powder? I have RBCS 1500 scale to measure powder and shot. Thanks.
thanks for a good video brother. can you confirm what length the pvc pipe is, thats a cool trick and my hand loads kinda stick in my m2. this might fix that.
Hello, Ive always used 4s maybe 5s for turkey, I didnt think 9s would penitrate. I would be worried about crippling a turkey with those. I like the idea of useing a 20 gauge. I believe theres a company called MEC that make a press that does alot of these processes. Good luck its good to see young people intrested in the outdoors.
Where's your SAFETY GLASSES??? That makes me nervous when you sight the crimp at bottoming out phase and getting eye level with the spinning drill press!!!
That’s a tree saddle in the background? If so I def love mine and you are a legend. You should offer some one on one time with people who are willing to pay a certain amount to help with calling or hunting. Great for consumer and and yourself.
Awesome video. Are those for Waterfowl or Turkey? How long would you say it takes to load a box of 25 and what’s the cost for a Box of 25 when you Roll your own.
Great video! One thing I do is load the wad with the cork/felt and mylar (minus the shot and buffer of course) before you put it into the hull. Something else you can do while watching Sex in the City with the ole lady. LOL
I found this very interesting and have wanted to do this for many years. That desire intensified after that video with Sleazy and that wild hunt that ended up with him taking a bird with the shell with his Dads ashes. Thank you for sharing this information. I can see you and Chubbs at it now. As if this video wasn’t enough, would it be feasible to do one on your vest? I noticed some modifications in the straps that look like Claw slings. Your attention to detail in your approach is great! Makes me feel a little less unusual.
Just curious why are most TSS shells rolled and not fold crimped? Any specific reason? It seems like you would have room for a crimp without the insert wads. I’ve been loading bismuth shells with buffer and as long as my crimp is good I don’t see any buffer falling out. If I get a bad one just like you did use a little nail polish and I’m good to go. Just wondering if there is any rhyme or reason to this.
TSS is so dense that in order to get a proper pellet count you need to up your charge to a 1.5 oz shot charge in 20ga vs a standard 1oz lead load. That extra half ounce of shot plus any buffer you add is enough that there isn’t really enough room to get a proper fold crimp, so a shot card and a roll crimp becomes necessary.
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Up here in Michigan we use shells or casings not shales.. Where do you get the shot .. It's very expensive in store bought loads..
website in linked in the video I believe.
This cat just explained more about the shell length problem with certain inertia driven shotguns than all the bright minds at federal ammunition company. They oughta write you a check sir, cause I argued with them over this problem for a month and never got a straight answer. You not only presented the problem but gave the solution. Bravo, well done sir.
Dave, good video. Now a word about shop safety. 1)wear safety glasses reloading. 2) see #1 3) see #1. You did a lot of banging the hull while looking at it from overhead. Don't have to guess what would happen if a TSS pellet found its way under the primer on the table.
Also an old tip from a 60 year old Lyman reloading handbook. Start with all hull mouths down in the loading block and turn it upright after putting in the powder. This will help prevent failure to load and double charging should you get distracted. Keep up the good work.
NOTHING YOU COULDN'T HIT IT WITH ENOUGH FORCE UNLESS YOU TRIED!!
Awesome video I’ve referenced this video a lot I just have one question. Do u really need to trim the hull? Won’t the roll crimp shorten it anyhow?
Yes but makes an overall longer shell that I’ve had hang up in some shotguns.
Thanks for reply I’m new to reloading I was jw
So essentially there is little to no professional loading equipment needed to hand roll these beauties! That’s awesome. I did not know this. Now that I do though, I’ll be rolling my own from here on out. Love the TSS but those babies are high and getting higher, sometimes hard to find too. Thanks Dave!
Hal is the man he's where I get my taste from as well
Since you already have the nail polish out for the overshot card, you might as well do a small streak over the primer to waterproof that also.
Awesome video! Keep em coming! Let’s see a patterning video!
Sike! He would never
My Wife “Babe, What the hell are You doing with My Hitachi wand?” Me, (strung out in caffeine, nicotine, & suffering from a chronic case of turkey brain) “Nuthin’.. Just vibrating My turkey loads like Dave Owens..” 😂😂🤦♂️
Careful work. Un travail minutieux.
Might have to build your own. Even turkey loads are sold out in alot of places.
Getting ready to start the process so thanks for putting this together, it was very helpful.
Loved this. Ive been wondering how you make your shells for 2 seasons now. Glad we're starting to get some of this behind the scenes content like last weeks with the trumpet!
By far best video on reloading!
Lots of effort in doing this. No wonder there so expensive. I’ll stick to my wicked blends.
Great work!
Great video! I've been reloading my own rifle rounds for deer and have been wanting to start making my turkey loads also. This answered a lot of questions I had. Thanks Dave!!!
I’ve been waiting on this for a while. Call making video in the works? Thanks Dave, youth season opens for us this weekend! Trying to get my son his first long beard. He’s a big fan!!
Agree, always curious to see how he makes his calls. I think most are ghost cuts but would still love a tutorial!
Ur awesome bud. Keep doing what ur doing. I love to spring gobbler hunt and when I'm waiting for spring to roll back around i love watching u and chubs squirrel and slizzy hunting all different states. U guys be safe and keep bringing the great videos. Thanks
4 years ago I was loading my very first tss and did not have my personal process down. I knocked over a shell with tss in it but not sealed yet. Tss went everywhere on hardwood floor. as I'm attempting to pick up all the hundreds of shot my wife comes over to help and immediately knocks over another shell. To this day I still find a tss shot or 2 when sweeping!!!
Have you tried BPI 16/20 thin Mylar? Trimmed height wise you only need one piece. I use the same recipe from Hal that you do except mine has the 16/20 and you only need one piece to cover what you are doing with two.
They Mylars drove me nuts trying to keep them down in the wad. I ended up switching to TPS wads and stoped using Mylar. The Mylar is really only there to protect the barrel, the TPS wads are thicker. I have examined many after test shots and pellets do not press thru the wad at all. Unlike a CSD wad with out Mylar which you will find where pellets have pressed thru the wad.
Nice video... where you get your load recipe? If you don't mind I ask.
31:40
which side goes towards the primer, flat or domed ?
Hey Dave, thanks for the video. One question. What is the approximate height of the hull material from the top of the overshot card to the top of the hull before you roll crimp? Hard to tell from the video. Wanting to make sure I've got the right amount of hull to make a good roll crimp.
I use the bags my potato chips come in they are mylar, and I use the Styrofoam that my sausage sits on that I get at the supermarket And I stamp little circles out of that.
Great video. Thanks for taking time out of your schedule to share. Can you make another DIY short video demonstrating your techniques on making your own diaphragm calls?
Great video Brother!
I told my son a while ago when I die cremate when you do the same thing but with her deer cartridges
Do you use the Big 20 XLC recipe? Just wondering how much to trim off my hulls!
Thank you Dave for passing on the knowledge.
I would be tickled to see more 10 gauge on the channel and on the market. I would love to see this superior bore rise out of obscurity.
You can use petroleum jelly to lube the case .
I have a Lee shotgun loader that has a guide and rammer that has a handle. Made to load without an operating lever.
Great video. Very informative and thorough. Appreciate it!
Love seeing the ins and outs of Turkey Posion! Been thinking of getting into rolling my own for a little white now.
I’ve rolled more than 2 or 3 shells in Hal’s garage👍
Get the 16/20 mylar and you don’t have to trim. Fits perfect. I was not getting good patterns and with the mylar and Hal told me to try it without. My pattern went from 250 in the 10” to 350 without. The mylar is supposed to protect the barrel but Hal said you would probably be okay with 9’s.
Very helpful video, glad to see another real Turkey hunter helping other fellow hunters. If you ever are in west central Mississippi, I would like to show you some very good hunting ground 👍and good luck this season.
What is the advantage/necessity of the roll crimp
Wow! That's dedication!
Something soothing about handloading.
Grew up loading trap shells with/for my Dad back in the late 70's before it became too expensive in his opinion. Been thinking about this recently as I've decided to try Turkey hunting with a shotgun instead of the bow this year, and 2 3/4" 12 gauge (going to use Dad's Winchester 1200 trap gun) have been few and far between here lately.
The Mylar is a PIA I ended up switching to TPS wads and stopped using Mylar. I also had cycling issues in a Benelli even after shortening the shell as you did. I found the issue for me was the area at the end of the Mag. The corners are rounded unlike a lot of guns that are more squared. If you get a gaep roll crimper it will leave the roll crimp outer edge more curved inward allowing it to cycle. Nice video!
I am started to load my own TSS for a 20 gauge Franchi. Could I ask what the beginning and end length (after roll crimping) your 20 gauge shells are that cycle out of your Benelli? Thank you! If my lengths are the same as yours and I still have problems I will buy one of the Gaep roll crispers.
Good Video! I have the same load data from Hal. I like how you use the ratchet and the 1/2" bolt. I'm going to give those two a go the next time I roll a few shells. For the particular load you are using in your video tutorial, I prefer to take the wads, add the cork, and the mylar before I insert them into the hulls. I'll get the powder in the hulls first, then I prepare the wads with the cork and mylar. Then insert the prepared wads into the hulls. It seems a bit easier, especially inserting the mylar this way. Take Care
Great timing.This has been on my mind. been rolling lead forever, now i'll try the TSS. Thanks!
Keep up your hard work Dave! I appreciate the knowledge you are sharing with the hunting world.
For waterfowl loads does a person have to use the Mylar say in 410 2.5” hulls?
Love the video! I too load TSS and get my shot from Hal. One thing I saw that I do that may help you is I use a 16-20ga Mylar wrap. I roll it the short way. I can use 1 piece without trimming in my shells. Hope to see more of your vids! Keep’m coming!
I didn't read all of the comments, but did anyone mention or ask, "why not just use a longer piece of mylar instead of using two pieces cupped inside one another"? Is there a reason that it has to be two different pieces? Or if you can find longer pieces, can you cut them to fit to go all the way around?
I bet this will be a 100k+ view video. Great video, answered a lot of questions.
I enjoyed this. Nice to see the process.
Very useful tips right there. I may have to get into rolling my own.
Man I wanna learn how to do this thanks for the info another Bama boy here can't wait till spring!
Hal is the man!
Is it possible to lightly brush on beeswax on the top to waterproof it
Excellent tutorial...Thanks Dave!
What is that white powder you are pouring on top, what is it purpose..
Buffer.
Do you have to roll crimp tss, Or can you crimp it like a normal load?
There are folk that fold crimp too.
@@pinhotiproject ok, thanks!
Great video! Cant go wrong with tss!
Does Hal Abbott provide the instructions on reloading tss with the shot that you purchased or do you have to request a formula personally?
Thanks for the info, it's probably too late to get all of the things needed to start but I will be rolling my own I the future.
Dave, Thanks for the video. I’m all about adding another component to be more involved in the process. Started making diaphragms a few years ago and hope to add this into the mix soon. Good luck this season from a fellow N. Ga hunter.
Excellent video, thanks
Good video and break down of your tss load
Thanks for the video. This will be my first time reloading turkey shells. I have five 12ga 3.5 inch Federal #9s. Can I use that powder for my 20 gauge 3 inch turkey loads? Is it the same powder? I have RBCS 1500 scale to measure powder and shot. Thanks.
Thanks so much I been waiting on this video!!!
Good stuff as always!
great video dave thanks for sharing
🤯 could you repeat the part about the things when you were talking about the stuff🤤
Dave you’re a freakin mad scientist!!!😂
Tad is a unit of measurement. Just a tad more 😁
thanks for a good video brother. can you confirm what length the pvc pipe is, thats a cool trick and my hand loads kinda stick in my m2. this might fix that.
GREAT video!!! Now, if I can just find some Lil Gun Powder. If anybody knows where to get some powder please let me know. Thanks!!!
The Outpost Armory in Christina TN has some
Hello, Ive always used 4s maybe 5s for turkey, I didnt think 9s would penitrate. I would be worried about crippling a turkey with those. I like the idea of useing a 20 gauge. I believe theres a company called MEC that make a press that does alot of these processes. Good luck its good to see young people intrested in the outdoors.
Research tss. It’s amazing. Makes using 9’s not only do able but deadly!
TSS is WAY more dense than lead shot, so #9 TSS is going to penetrate the same or better than #5 lead.
Can you roll crimp a previously fold crimped hull?
Where's your SAFETY GLASSES??? That makes me nervous when you sight the crimp at bottoming out phase and getting eye level with the spinning drill press!!!
Well after watching this I’ll be rolling my own next year. Already got a drill press like yours but 16 speed. Thanks.
That’s a tree saddle in the background? If so I def love mine and you are a legend. You should offer some one on one time with people who are willing to pay a certain amount to help with calling or hunting. Great for consumer and and yourself.
Mylar protective wrap.
Awesome video. Are those for Waterfowl or Turkey? How long would you say it takes to load a box of 25 and what’s the cost for a Box of 25 when you Roll your own.
Great video! One thing I do is load the wad with the cork/felt and mylar (minus the shot and buffer of course) before you put it into the hull. Something else you can do while watching Sex in the City with the ole lady. LOL
Nice Hals big 20 recipe. Have you tried wad slick?
I see you where wearing a Full Draw Taxidermy shirt, is that where you take your birds??
Great Video! I would like to start rolling my own with TSS for Coyote.
Does TSS do better in roll crimped hulls?
How much powder? Oh just about a full tad but not quite a full tad like 3/4 tad
I found this very interesting and have wanted to do this for many years. That desire intensified after that video with Sleazy and that wild hunt that ended up with him taking a bird with the shell with his Dads ashes. Thank you for sharing this information. I can see you and Chubbs at it now. As if this video wasn’t enough, would it be feasible to do one on your vest? I noticed some modifications in the straps that look like Claw slings. Your attention to detail in your approach is great! Makes me feel a little less unusual.
Thank you for the information.
Just curious why are most TSS shells rolled and not fold crimped? Any specific reason? It seems like you would have room for a crimp without the insert wads. I’ve been loading bismuth shells with buffer and as long as my crimp is good I don’t see any buffer falling out. If I get a bad one just like you did use a little nail polish and I’m good to go. Just wondering if there is any rhyme or reason to this.
TSS is so dense that in order to get a proper pellet count you need to up your charge to a 1.5 oz shot charge in 20ga vs a standard 1oz lead load. That extra half ounce of shot plus any buffer you add is enough that there isn’t really enough room to get a proper fold crimp, so a shot card and a roll crimp becomes necessary.
How can I reach the guy at TSS. Can’t find contact info
Very interesting.
Thanks for a great video. I’ve been wanting to start reloading TSS and your video has helped me with understanding the steps. Good luck this spring.
what kind of vest do you use??
Have you ever tried to reload the shot shells after you shoot them?
Not sure it's possible with the roll crimps.
Great video!! Pattern video?
the auto focus was killing me hahaha. awesome video though, thank you
Am I missing something? Dave kept saying he was going to leave links to some of the equipment and I'm not seeing any.
Boy if it took that many components and that many steps i sure as hell wouldnt be reloaded lead for sporting clays😂
Good info, thanks
Been thinking about this for a long time. Thanks for the vid!
awesome , thank you , we make tss in China
excellent!