She managed to purchase a horse for 5k, pay monthly food and boarding for it, but refused to get health insurance for a troubled young man. Negligent and selfish behavior.
In 2016 she blogged complaining about not being able to get state aid because she makes 40k. And complaining that illegal immigrants get free tutoring and tablets. So she can't afford mental health help or tutoring for her kid, but can purchase all the guns and horses.
Ethan’s half-brother (Eli) moved out of that house. He said it was because his step-mother was too difficult to live with. Poor kids. The condition of the house was a disgrace!
Wow … how did you find out about him having a brother? That is just awful that she mistreated him. Sad. I wonder if Ethan was affected by that, and if they were close.
@@prittypandasmom6309 during Ethan's trial previous neighbors of the Crumbleys were interviewed and every single one testified that there was always shouting and screaming arguments from their house and that Ethan cried a lot. Looking at this house I can imagine that previous places they lived were just as chaotic.
Huge screen TV's in every room including BEDROOMS?!, Cable or Apple TV plan, internet plan, Video games, 3 smart fancy, latest cell phones but no money for healthcare for the son or curtains.
The default code for the gun case was 000 and was NEVER changed. Disgusting. Who’s protecting innocent civilians from f-ups like this? With every photo presented, I feel sanity slipping away.
Safe storage laws were just passed for Michigan last year, and went into effect this month. It might've been enough to change things, so those four kids would still be alive if we already had those laws the year that this happened.
One exception is the paper targets , this is clearly safe use and training in safe operation. To a person who has bias or ignorance the targets seem violent but it's the exact opposite.
I am GenX. Something has changed in our society and access to guns is NOT what has changed. I grew up in a town that had this same "gun culture". I got my first gun for Christmas when I was 9. I stored the gun and the ammo in my bedroom. By the time I was in HS I had multiple guns, including the loaded handgun I kept in my car that I drove to school everyday. Many of my classmates did the same. We were taught gun safety from an early age. We didn't have school councilors. I didn't have a good home life. I was THE kid everyone picked on growing up. It never entered my mind that shooting up the school was even an option. It never entered the mind of any of my friends who had full access to guns and ammo. Point is, something has changed in our society and access to guns is not it.
@@ashleymadison9380 100% . Now in my case I wasn't a good kid AND was too irresponsible to handle valuables of any kind, let alone something like a firearm. Until I was 18 and I got my first one, a 410 single shotgun. But like you, we did NOT resort to the stiff these millennials and current teenagers are doing. We had to either hide from a bully or knuckle up after school, or even in school. These kids now and even adults are so self-centered that being defeated or embarrassed isn't tolerable to them.
The condition of the inside of that house is hideous. My anxiety is high just looking at the pictures. I'd be depressed living like that. Total chaos and disorganization smh.
100% agree. My ex-wife kept out house like this and it severely impacted my mental health and ultimately led to our divorce. The importance of the state of one’s home being at least somewhat organized cannot be overstated.
@neilkotras I agree. People have so many excuses not to keep a clean house. I have mental illness and I still on my bad days pull myself up and keep a nice home for my family with home cooked meals. It's just pure laziness. Have A Peaceful Day✨8971
That house is sad. Looks like 3 immature people live there as roommates. No love. No soul. It’s obvious the parents didn’t like their child so would buy him stuff to compensate. I hope she is found guilty. People. Do not have kids if you aren’t a kid person! Obviously his parents weren’t!
What’s more obvious is none of the 3 r neat. Order is ingrained or not. U learn it. Sometimes does not come easy to a stressed out person. Or an adhd person. Sometimes Cultural. Lack of discipline and order is clear. Dad has gotten a ton of criticism for delivering for door dash yet mom with the fancy corporate job can’t even keep an orderly house or delegate order. Your environment tells a lot about you. I know when my house is messy I’m extremely depressed.
I hate to say it but Ethan will probably thrive in prison (if he has people in there to look out for him) because there will be rules, expectations, and order. And I dare say he might make a friend or two. Young people need that. It’s soul crushing that he had to choose to get attention by committing this horrible crime.
I believe this young man was very sick, and I don’t say that about a lot of people. I believe he cried out for help many times and was turned away many times. His parents did nothing for him and Nether did his school. He had no one to turn to. I hope he gets the help he needs while he is in jail. And just maybe, by the love of God, he will get out early and start his live over.
@@mayjailerxx Exactly! I wish Ethan's defenders and enablers would stop it. Ethan himself admitted to planning everything. He was sane when he did this.
Never secured weapons, ammo, or alcohol. They were checked out of parenting responsibility. The only time she speaks of Ethan is to complain to her associates, and get sympathy for "what she has to deal with." No health insurance for her son, nor does she provide any mental health care. No investment of time with him. More like she is waiting for him to turn 18, and she wouldn't be responsible for him. She's just a self-centered middle-aged woman into drinking and riding horses. Pathetic excuse for a mother, and totaly irresponsible gun owner. America needs more gun regulations, and controls. These people should have never been permitted to own guns, or be parents of any children. Guilty! Guilty! Guilty!
Obviously you didn’t listen to her testimony because Ethan was covered under his father‘s insurance up in October when James lost his job, Jennifer was going to add Ethan to her insurance when she had open enrollment, which happened to be on November 30 and all the chaos broke out so until you get your back straight, you probably shouldn’t speak on this subject about the insurance
@@tammyirwin703Of course she would! She was obviously a loving, caring mother to that poor kid! Spending time with him, attending to his needs, providing a safe, clean environment as a family home, taking care of his health! Obviously, right? 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@annaandre9131 and still at the end of the day with everything you wrote in your comment nothing she did was against the law or criminal. Imagine that we don’t get to decide how people raise their kids or how they keep their house. I’m glad it’s people like you that aren’t on the jury.
@@tammyirwin703 child neglect (physical, educational, phycological, medical) is a form of child abuse, against the law even in the USA. I'm European. I cannot be in any jury in the States, rest assured.
why are you so angry that the Judge is soft spoken? The Judge is in control of the Court. Oh, it's because You are having a hard time hearing so you are mad that people are not doing things like you would and then declare she is afraid.
Judge is tentative which doesn't signal competency. And besides, speaking so that everyone can hear seems only good manners. She can be considerate without yelling.
She made time for her horses and to cheat on her husband. But no time for her son or to clean their home. So sad. Keeping all the families affected in my prayers.
agree, and she was the breadwinner, James wasn't working. he should have kept the home clean and been there for their son as well. IMO @@sharoncoulton3679
@@sharoncoulton3679 she should have taken the time when he was younger to teach him to organize and clean his room, and then expect that from him when he was older.
Be responsible active parent's, including basic training in all handling of dangerous tools & equipment! All of which they failed here! Mom is a huge contributing factor in the sons mental state & actions! Poor kid was doing everything he could to cry for help, but ignored for Mom's convience! 😢
@@cristineconnell7803 everyone I knew in high school had a gun. But in past decades children were taught gun safety from the time they could walk. They were instructed by their fathers (sometimes mothers) on how to handle and shoot a gun. In 8th grade one semester was dedicated to a required gun safety class. We were raised around guns and gun safety was discussed a lot. You weren’t given a set of rules and that topic was over. Gun safety was something you were reminded about. Nothing was ever settled with a gun in high school. And guns were readily available. In the school parking lot. Located in gun racks attached to the back window of trucks that were probably unlocked. We had easy access but never used them. EDIT- This was during the late 70’s early 80’s (Sorry I didn’t realize that I hadn’t included a timeframe.)
Again...I reiterate...who the frick lives like this, maybe clean your damn house and your kids brain would feel better..sorry but no matter what clean ur darn house believe it ir not ya feel less depressed when things are put away maybe focus on being responsible...this is a home with several people who clearly struggle with mental disorders or depression
@@happydays59 and every guy had a pocket knife. A couple of times a teacher would be trying to open a box and would ask the class who has a knife I can use? We thought nothing of it.
Yes! Ten hours a week with her horses and another ten or so with lovers, but she can't spend a couple of hours per week doing the dishes and laundry and cleaning that little house so the family doesn't have to live in chaos. How depressing.
@@olive3700 she was and is a narcissist and dysfunctional mess. how she handles herself and her relationships, and her scapegoating/discarding of her son. Death culture.
There were no priorities in this house, no order, no discipline and these are all things that make our children feel safe and add lots of visible love first of all. If you have growing children their needs are really important. I don't like judging others BUT, horses and their needs are expensive but so are children and better decisions should have been made to raise this boy. and his mental health didn't really stand a chance.
They didn't have a parents love for Ethan, he was more of an inconvenience to them. I recognize this because that's how my parents were, and still are to this day. I hope they both get convicted.
Unfortunately, this is how many children’s homes are. It’s soul crushing to think about. We all need to look ourselves in the mirror and work on being better human beings. I’m very sad to see the way this world is turning out.
@@tammyirwin703this is neglected home as the kid was neglected. This home would make anyone to feel depressed let aline teenage kid. No structure, no order, nothing any healthy family have and live like. If you find this to be normal and living like this, maybe you should look at your kids or grandkids and think about about their behavior . I guarantee you any kid whose living like this is mentally sick , unhappy child.
@@tammyirwin703 Nobody's asking for Better Homes and Gardens. It's just part of good parenting to give your child a clean, orderly place to live. We all need a clean kitchen to eat in. Who was providing Ethan with meals? Did he have clean sheets on a properly made bed so he could sleep in comfort? It doesn't take money to have beautiful rooms, just some color and decorating, some time and care.
The judge and defense attorney are absolutely dreadful at their jobs. Objections she is making are arguments that shouldn't be heard in front of jury and Judge stays silent ?!
I have to agree she is a whiny disheveled 13year old Who forgot her adderal for the day! She can’t help herself by interrupting and talking over prosecutors and the judge. The judge was corrected several by the prosecutor and one time the had to ask the prosecutor what was protocol. it’s absolutely like nothing I have Everrr seen!!
And on top of it when the defense objected about the gun code as hearsay, the judge turned to the prosecution and asked them “is it?” Very unfortunate, but I’m almost on hundred percent positive this case is going to end up as a mistrial due to incompetent legal counsel and judge
i totally agree, one is obnoxious and completely incompetent, unprofessional and ill prepared. The other one has no backbone and doesn't know how to control her courtroom! It's a flipping circus at this point!!!! It's honestly hard to watch. SMH
The house is mess...clearly nothing had a place in the house. Not even photos on the walls. A totally free for all. I couldn't live like this. That bathroom, straight nasty.
That’s what I don’t understand. People are free to live however, they choose just because it’s not how you live doesn’t mean anything last time I checked they’re not on trial for being messy or filthy
@@tammyirwin703But it shows the lifestyle! And filthy homes are generally very unhealthy! They weren't elderly or disabled, but made choices to put their resources towards big screen tvs, violent video games & leaving child alone while out fulfilling their own desires!
@@LersVvwad Agreed. It’s astonishing to see how many people defend her and refuse to acknowledge the high level of negligence, not just in this case, but as a parent. Anyone who thinks it’s acceptable behavior should not be parents. It’s horrifying. As if any level of neglect is acceptable because parenting is “hard”. Like WHAT?! It shocks my system every time I read comments that so staunchly defend her. It says a lot about those people and I’m concerned for their children.
@@LersVvwad Shame on you. You know NOTHING about law. Actually this case has every element to be a mistrial. I am a lawyer. This woman was convicted on pure hearsay and opinions which are taught in law school to be inadmissible as evidence. This woman NEVER broke a law.
Agree. She seems to be learning along the way - allowing too much from defense and even relaying on the prosecution to inform her. And she mumbles bc she’s not confident in what’s she saying. What a mess.
@@holyshiznits888 that’s what I heard. Some people have been saying the judge is behaving this way out of caution for a mis trial - but asking the prosecutor about things she needs to decide will be the reason they call for a mistrial
I think she’s confused by the objections because the defense attorney can never make it clear what she’s objecting to, because she’s just trying to keep the witnesses from talking.
This is why she should be approaching the bench instead of doing speaking objections. She's highlighting the things she doesn't want to jury to notice. It's complete incompetence.
So the gun salesperson gave them the cable lock for the new weapon but the Crumleys never attached it to the weapon. The cable lock is still in its original packaging.
When the gun store employee testified, she mentioned how they give every single purchaser a free trigger lock, and a free cable lock with every gun they buy. He had a locking gun case with a handle, but it was for two smaller guns, and the ATF agent testified that the larger gun that was taken to school, would not have fit into it even by itself. And the gun safe it was supposed to be kept with had a combination of 000M - they never bothered, changing it from the factory settings. The parents did not even try to properly secure those guns
@@406MenaceRacecar -- I agree, which is why my home defense weapon is not in one of my safes, but hidden up high with a trigger lock so it has quicker access. But these parents didn't even do that much.
@@poodee9395Highly gross & unhealthy! That poor kid never had a chance with these parent's! I think the Dad is more manipulated by Mom. But he could have/should have been more involved with his son also!
This trial is so unbelievable. The defense attorney is ridiculous and the judge, to me, doesn't act like the typical judge. She definitely doesn't say "sustained" or "overruled" to any objections raised but seems to either argue or ask the witness questions herself. Yikes!
Right?! But I’ve heard very little use of the term objection.. the defense just WHINES ‘your Hooonor’ then voices her arguments usually without the correct legal terminology!
You’re not watching the million dollar trial of celebrities like Heard & Depp. Everyone is doing their job. Real life is not like TV or RUclips. Your assumptions are embarrassing. L2@OSUlaw
@@rw7039 The Right to Carry and Bear Arms is outdated in my opinion. I live in a state with strict gun laws. Thank god. Your state is likely southern. The states with weaker gun laws have higher rates of gun deaths. Many lives would be saved with more gun laws.
@@kuroneko7022 children are only partially responsible for their actions when they are raised in a household that contributes to the behaviors that lead to said actions. The parents can be held accountable, we can hold the child accountable to an extent, and we can mourn the loss of the lives he took all at the same time. Ultimately this trial has absolutely demonstrated these parents emotionally neglected this kid and blatantly ignored warning signs through a lack of attention on their son, I have a feeling she will be convicted and so will the father, just based on their inattention to care for their child.
So, though Ethan committed absolutely a horrible evil act, my heart hurts for this poor kid. Living in this, treated like he was nothing had no value or worth .... his own mom laughed at him when he said he needed help. This is so tragic, some humans should never procreate!!
I don’t think Ethan had a chance!! He was practically screaming for help yet nobody cared… the number of victims due to these parents neglect is staggering!
This child couldn't have asked for more help. It's absurd that no one reacted. He told his parents over and over again that he was hearing voices and seeing demons. He begged to see a therapist and psychiatrist. He drew a picture of a shooting with the words: "the voices don't stop. Help me" underneath. The parents saw the picture BEFORE the shooting. They knew he was hearing voices for years at this point. They knew they denied him treatment for it. They knew they had bought him a gun and ammunition. And they still did absolutely nothing. Even refused to take him home. This shooting was preventable. The parents are guilty as sin.
This Judge is horrible, she has no control whatsoever, the defense lady walks all over her with stupid objections about non-sense. If this lady gets a guilty verdict, it's going to be because of this unhinged defense attorney.
I know some people think parents shouldn’t be charged because no one-including me-what’s to be legally responsible for their children’s actions. You can be a bad parent and it’s not illegal. But these parents aren’t being charged for that, I believe they contributed to his crime by an illegal act. He had possession of that gun without supervision-we saw it in his video when he’s holding it. He committed the crime with this gun and after it happened the parents tried to wipe out anything connecting them to the crime. I believe their kid is evil and is responsible for what he did.There are kids who were horrifically abused and neglected and they don’t do this. But he’s been sentenced. This is for how the parents contributed to his ability to carry out the crime.
A nasty room is pretty typical for a teenage boy, but not necessarily a dirty house. Cleanliness was certainly not this mothers priority. I would never want my son who had mental illness to own a gun. I would live in fear!
It was so obvious and she even acknowledged so herself that he was experiencing not just depression but some sort of psychosis ("seeing demons") and yet she bought him a gun and told him "lol don't get caught (with it)", knowing he was not supposed to have it. She is absolutely where she needs to be. This could have all been avoided if she cared about her son more.
That home was a disaster. No one did housework there. So if the dad didn’t do any work but DoorDash and the mother worked at an office that she said she hated and no one had time to answer the son’s text messages at all or take him to a doctor for his needs, but they had time to have extra marital affairs, horseback riding, and I guess not much else. They clearly failed their child. And I believe that failure sure contributed to people ending up being killed because of poor decisions and laziness.
When this woman takes the stand in her defense, they better drill her about locking him out the night before bc he was hallucinating. The video of him with the spit guard screaming over and over 'why didn't you stop it!/you could have stopped it" directing it to his mom and G*d... broke my heart and broke me down... i wanna give him a hug
Poor kid - that home shows neglect just like her soon was neglected. If one of the parents had even walked into his room, they would have seen the alcohol and knives. No child should be raised like this.
@@hereweare2031 and apparently neither did Ethan let’s keep in mind he was 15 not five he could’ve cleaned his own room and he could’ve helped do laundry and pick up the house too. At least that’s what I taught my kids to do if you think I was in cleaning my 15-year-old bedroom you fell on a bump your head.
This trial exposes the poor education system we have grossly underfunded in America and the very low standards we have come to accept when it comes to professionalism and higher education. The defense lawyer and judge are ridiculous. I’d be ashamed to go out in public after this travesty. They are simpletons.
My son is a sophomore in high school and I’m convinced he would be a more competent attorney than this defense lawyer is. She comes across as a parody of a defense attorney on an episode of SNL. I keep waiting to hear the laugh track.
The condition of this home is a complete crime scene. Empty gun case, empty boxes of bullets, shell casings in his room with a fake AR-15, BB guns, pellets, knives everywhere. Jury got it right everyone who lives in that house is Guilty. Jim save the families additional stress and take the plea deal. UNBELIEVABLE
It’s as though these parents had Ethan to please grandparents or because it’s expected rather than they wanted to be parents. Affairs, guns, horses ect yet no attention, health insurance, mental health care or affections for this boy, how sad they left him in his time of need, he cried out for help so many times and they did not listen or care until it effected them.
The home is depressing in its self. They could have had a housekeeper and had counseling for the shooter instead of spending all that money on themselves via the horses. There are responsibilities when you are a parent
If the mother was complaining about how messy the son's room was, I would conclude that the mother did not set a good example. I would have mental health issues too, with the level of mess in the master bedroom. I conclude that the rest of the house is just as messy and disorderly. Such mess is indicative of the mess in the minds of the residents in that house.
No excuse for not getting this kid therapy. No insurance? Many places operate on a sliding scale. Apparently dear mom was proficient in the use of a smart phone. She could have researched places to get her son help.
"when you saw the gun box THE GUN WAS. NOT. THERE!" (no sh^t Sherlock, it was confisated from the shooter at the school earlier in the day). I have never heard such a whiny, pointlessly argumentative lawyer, ever.
Did l hear something about the mother offering her son Xanax..... And seeing that empty bottle of Whisky beside his bed. This child never had a chance. Praying for All the Families. ❤
Well that would make sense because when your mentally not feeling well the last thing your going to care about is making sure your house is spotless so yeah, maybe both parents were mentally unwell! All I know is it’s not my place to judge how other people live when you don’t know what they deal with on a day to day basis. If you want to judge them for not getting their son help or allowing him access to a firearm that’s one thing but there is no reason to judge them for not keeping a neat house! That has nothing to do with why this happened!
Cute house from the outside but the inside is a total mess. Did the shooter really need 2 bedrooms? Sad that he wasnt raised in a more tidy and disciplined environment. I wouldn't be able to sit in such disaray. Very sad. Kids do better with love, nurturing and rules.
The other bedroom was his step-brother's bedroom. I suspect that when his step-brother moved out and left a lot of stuff, it was easier to let Ethan use the space and his stuff instead of clearing it out.
Wear clean underwear in case you're in an accident...and clean your house in case the cops get a warrant to search it. Jennifer should have spent more time cleaning her house and less time with her horses. 😊
@@jennywinget1144 well, it's her trial right now, so I'm just talking about her, in particular. Reasons she's guilty... Didn't have her priorities straight in the slightest.
I like how Jennifer's Attorney was able to get in the "fact" that her client "didn't know the combination to the safe" or she had "no knowledge" of how to get in the safe, without putting her client on the stand and asking her directly. Were I the prosecution, I would have pointed out that the question has no reference to what Jennifer knew, or DIDN'T know about the safe. That maybe she did know, and maybe she didn't, that that has yet to be determined. Not leaving that fact hanging.
He never had a clean room, clean clothes, or a home cooked meal. We can't refer to her as a Mother, and that defense attorney isn't a real attorney. Their both Nightmares.
Thank you lord for having such a lovely wife whose taking care of our kid, keeping our home so clean and in order, cooking for us every day, out home smells on cakes every single day. This mother neglected that kid big time.
As well as her husband and living in horrific conditions. I wonder what was inside the fridge other than booze. Was there milk, bread and working water at the very least. Those 2 parents are beyond negligent. No wonder they had 0 character witnesses.
This what my house looked like with my ex-wife. I almost had a nervous breakdown from all the clutter. Eventually couldn’t live like that anymore. Poor Ethan having to live with that visual chaos.
No shade, but with it affecting you so much… I have to ask if you ever tried to clean it for her, or gotten help to do so? Would she make it difficult if you had, maybe out of embarrassment? Having that much chaos constantly is a sign of mental illness and self depreciation. I promise I’m not pointing blame on you, I’m just curious.
I did have cleaners come in a few times but any benefits were short-lived and the clutter would be back within days. It got to a point where I couldn’t comment on it at all or it started a major fight. So I just lived with it for way too long. @@prittypandasmom6309
That’s what I keep saying! It’s not fair to judge someone because their house isn’t neat when you don’t know them or know what their going through on a day to day basis! Most people that live like that DO have some sort of mental health issues! What it comes down to is he didn’t do what he did because his house wasn’t neat I can promise you that!
Instead of buying a gun for your son, go out and buy a Bible to learn about being kind to other people. I am not a religious man, but it makes sense to me instead of buying a gun. For someone that mentally unstable and her lawyer is not ready for any kind of trail , let alone this trial at this magnitudeThe mother is so calloushe looks like what am I doing here? What have I done I don't believe she thinks that she did anything wrong. She could have stopped her husband for buying that gun. Yes, sir, she could have done that. She has no feelings for any of these families. She just wants to get yourself out of the this jam😢😢
This child didn’t decide to shoot up his school because his parents don’t keep their house neat! He did it because #1, he was struggling with severe mental health issues that weren’t being addressed and #2, he had access to a weapon that he never should have so if you want to judge them for anything it should be for that, not because they aren’t good house keepers! When I watch tv I see SO many houses that look just like that inside with people who also have children and they don’t go and shoot up a school! There are SO many people in this country with mental health issues that can barley get by each day never mind making sure their house is neat, I’m sure that is the last thing on their minds when your struggling mentally every single day! Life is not as easy for some people as it is for others!
This case, mainly in terms of the neglect the parents showed, Reminds me of the song “Jeremy,” by Pearl Jam. This trial reminds me in particular of the line, “and the boy was something Mommy wouldn’t wear.” Jennifer may not have been into clothes so much but replace the line with something regarding horses or anything else besides Ethan, and you’ve got is spot on.
She managed to purchase a horse for 5k, pay monthly food and boarding for it, but refused to get health insurance for a troubled young man. Negligent and selfish behavior.
Two horses!!! Also Don’t forget the $200 each in supplements she was giving to both of her horses as well! Disgusting, lock her up.
@@holyshiznits888 omg I did not know that...
In 2016 she blogged complaining about not being able to get state aid because she makes 40k. And complaining that illegal immigrants get free tutoring and tablets.
So she can't afford mental health help or tutoring for her kid, but can purchase all the guns and horses.
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Absolutely! She failed her family!!!
I am starting to think that she was half hoping he’d use it on himself so she could be with her boyfriend and not have to pay child support.
Ethan’s half-brother (Eli) moved out of that house. He said it was because his step-mother was too difficult to live with. Poor kids. The condition of the house was a disgrace!
Look at the blinds on the berm wi Dow. What a chithole. I’m depressed just looking at it! How do you let your kid Luce like that.
Didn't know he had a half brother.
Wow … how did you find out about him having a brother? That is just awful that she mistreated him. Sad. I wonder if Ethan was affected by that, and if they were close.
Your a disgrace 🧙
@@prittypandasmom6309 during Ethan's trial previous neighbors of the Crumbleys were interviewed and every single one testified that there was always shouting and screaming arguments from their house and that Ethan cried a lot. Looking at this house I can imagine that previous places they lived were just as chaotic.
Huge screen TV's in every room including BEDROOMS?!, Cable or Apple TV plan, internet plan, Video games, 3 smart fancy, latest cell phones but no money for healthcare for the son or curtains.
also they were behind on house payments
Huge TVs, but no bookcases, no books. No paintings or art on the walls, no family pictures hung. Not even a picture of a horse!
Don't forget the expensive hobbies. Skiing and 2 horses. Very expensive.
Let's be fair, the father did lose his job. He did take a low-income job working for Door Dash. That says something.
And none of things are criminal
The default code for the gun case was 000 and was NEVER changed. Disgusting. Who’s protecting innocent civilians from f-ups like this? With every photo presented, I feel sanity slipping away.
Safe storage laws were just passed for Michigan last year, and went into effect this month. It might've been enough to change things, so those four kids would still be alive if we already had those laws the year that this happened.
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One exception is the paper targets , this is clearly safe use and training in safe operation. To a person who has bias or ignorance the targets seem violent but it's the exact opposite.
I am GenX. Something has changed in our society and access to guns is NOT what has changed. I grew up in a town that had this same "gun culture". I got my first gun for Christmas when I was 9. I stored the gun and the ammo in my bedroom. By the time I was in HS I had multiple guns, including the loaded handgun I kept in my car that I drove to school everyday. Many of my classmates did the same. We were taught gun safety from an early age. We didn't have school councilors. I didn't have a good home life. I was THE kid everyone picked on growing up. It never entered my mind that shooting up the school was even an option. It never entered the mind of any of my friends who had full access to guns and ammo. Point is, something has changed in our society and access to guns is not it.
@@ashleymadison9380 100% . Now in my case I wasn't a good kid AND was too irresponsible to handle valuables of any kind, let alone something like a firearm. Until I was 18 and I got my first one, a 410 single shotgun. But like you, we did NOT resort to the stiff these millennials and current teenagers are doing. We had to either hide from a bully or knuckle up after school, or even in school. These kids now and even adults are so self-centered that being defeated or embarrassed isn't tolerable to them.
The condition of the inside of that house is hideous. My anxiety is high just looking at the pictures. I'd be depressed living like that. Total chaos and disorganization smh.
100% agree. My ex-wife kept out house like this and it severely impacted my mental health and ultimately led to our divorce. The importance of the state of one’s home being at least somewhat organized cannot be overstated.
@neilkotras I agree. People have so many excuses not to keep a clean house. I have mental illness and I still on my bad days pull myself up and keep a nice home for my family with home cooked meals. It's just pure laziness. Have A Peaceful Day✨8971
That house is sad. Looks like 3 immature people live there as roommates. No love. No soul. It’s obvious the parents didn’t like their child so would buy him stuff to compensate. I hope she is found guilty. People. Do not have kids if you aren’t a kid person! Obviously his parents weren’t!
Thank goodness they didn’t have more children!
Ethan needed what every child needs. Love, support, attention, and time. I wish they had given him up for adoption.
What’s more obvious is none of the 3 r neat. Order is ingrained or not. U learn it. Sometimes does not come easy to a stressed out person. Or an adhd person. Sometimes Cultural. Lack of discipline and order is clear. Dad has gotten a ton of criticism for delivering for door dash yet mom with the fancy corporate job can’t even keep an orderly house or delegate order. Your environment tells a lot about you. I know when my house is messy I’m extremely depressed.
I hate to say it but Ethan will probably thrive in prison (if he has people in there to look out for him) because there will be rules, expectations, and order. And I dare say he might make a friend or two. Young people need that. It’s soul crushing that he had to choose to get attention by committing this horrible crime.
I believe this young man was very sick, and I don’t say that about a lot of people. I believe he cried out for help many times and was turned away many times. His parents did nothing for him and Nether did his school. He had no one to turn to. I hope he gets the help he needs while he is in jail. And just maybe, by the love of God, he will get out early and start his live over.
is it any wonder the poor kid was depressed ...just look at the way they lived
And he was alone in this mess.
Tidy house is not a cure for schizophrenia
@@annychest718was Ethan schizophrenic? Why did he take a guilty plea then?
A tgidy enviroment is helpful for mental illness .. He was not completely delusional ..This was premeditated murder@@annychest718
@@mayjailerxx Exactly! I wish Ethan's defenders and enablers would stop it. Ethan himself admitted to planning everything. He was sane when he did this.
Never secured weapons, ammo, or alcohol. They were checked out of parenting responsibility. The only time she speaks of Ethan is to complain to her associates, and get sympathy for "what she has to deal with." No health insurance for her son, nor does she provide any mental health care. No investment of time with him. More like she is waiting for him to turn 18, and she wouldn't be responsible for him. She's just a self-centered middle-aged woman into drinking and riding horses. Pathetic excuse for a mother, and totaly irresponsible gun owner. America needs more gun regulations, and controls. These people should have never been permitted to own guns, or be parents of any children.
Guilty! Guilty! Guilty!
LOL
Obviously you didn’t listen to her testimony because Ethan was covered under his father‘s insurance up in October when James lost his job, Jennifer was going to add Ethan to her insurance when she had open enrollment, which happened to be on November 30 and all the chaos broke out so until you get your back straight, you probably shouldn’t speak on this subject about the insurance
@@tammyirwin703Of course she would! She was obviously a loving, caring mother to that poor kid! Spending time with him, attending to his needs, providing a safe, clean environment as a family home, taking care of his health! Obviously, right? 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@annaandre9131 and still at the end of the day with everything you wrote in your comment nothing she did was against the law or criminal. Imagine that we don’t get to decide how people raise their kids or how they keep their house. I’m glad it’s people like you that aren’t on the jury.
@@tammyirwin703 child neglect (physical, educational, phycological, medical) is a form of child abuse, against the law even in the USA. I'm European. I cannot be in any jury in the States, rest assured.
Is the judge scared of her own voice? FFS, speak up. And don’t tell me about thin walls. I can hear everyone else just fine.
why are you so angry that the Judge is soft spoken? The Judge is in control of the Court. Oh, it's because You are having a hard time hearing so you are mad that people are not doing things like you would and then declare she is afraid.
Judge is tentative which doesn't signal competency. And besides, speaking so that everyone can hear seems only good manners. She can be considerate without yelling.
Iv thought that myself...
@@louesparza8003Thank-you! I’ve seen a judge where you consistently cannot hear her.
The judge doesn't want you to hear how incompetent she is.
She made time for her horses and to cheat on her husband. But no time for her son or to clean their home. So sad. Keeping all the families affected in my prayers.
He was 15, why should a working Mother clean his mess at that age?
agree, and she was the breadwinner, James wasn't working. he should have kept the home clean and been there for their son as well. IMO @@sharoncoulton3679
@@sharoncoulton3679the question was not her sons room but the whole house. Pigs
@@sharoncoulton3679 she should have taken the time when he was younger to teach him to organize and clean his room, and then expect that from him when he was older.
The father was not working. Blame him for the state of their home
Parents, don't buy your child a gun, and then tell him not to shoot anyone. HELLO!
Be responsible active parent's, including basic training in all handling of dangerous tools & equipment! All of which they failed here! Mom is a huge contributing factor in the sons mental state & actions! Poor kid was doing everything he could to cry for help, but ignored for Mom's convience! 😢
@@cristineconnell7803 everyone I knew in high school had a gun. But in past decades children were taught gun safety from the time they could walk. They were instructed by their fathers (sometimes mothers) on how to handle and shoot a gun. In 8th grade one semester was dedicated to a required gun safety class.
We were raised around guns and gun safety was discussed a lot. You weren’t given a set of rules and that topic was over. Gun safety was something you were reminded about.
Nothing was ever settled with a gun in high school. And guns were readily available.
In the school parking lot.
Located in gun racks
attached to the back window
of trucks that were probably unlocked.
We had easy access but never used them.
EDIT-
This was during the late 70’s early 80’s
(Sorry I didn’t realize that I hadn’t included a timeframe.)
Again...I reiterate...who the frick lives like this, maybe clean your damn house and your kids brain would feel better..sorry but no matter what clean ur darn house believe it ir not ya feel less depressed when things are put away maybe focus on being responsible...this is a home with several people who clearly struggle with mental disorders or depression
butterbeanqueen8148 insane
@@happydays59 and every guy had a pocket knife. A couple of times a teacher would be trying to open a box and would ask the class who has a knife I can use? We thought nothing of it.
How dare Jennifer say what a mess Ethan's rooms were while the rest of the house was a chaotic mess.
Yes! Ten hours a week with her horses and another ten or so with lovers, but she can't spend a couple of hours per week doing the dishes and laundry and cleaning that little house so the family doesn't have to live in chaos. How depressing.
there was a poltergeist..
any way she's an open and honest woman..some of the comments are by miserable unhappy spiteful biaches
@@olive3700 she was and is a narcissist and dysfunctional mess. how she handles herself and her relationships, and her scapegoating/discarding of her son. Death culture.
I think the horses were treated better than their own son.
I agree with you
Without a doubt! She Spared no expense for those horses!
There were no priorities in this house, no order, no discipline and these are all things that make our children feel safe and add lots of visible love first of all. If you have growing children their needs are really important. I don't like judging others BUT, horses and their needs are expensive but so are children and better decisions should have been made to raise this boy. and his mental health didn't really stand a chance.
Yea I agree
Chaos and mess. I can’t with a messy house
They didn't have a parents love for Ethan, he was more of an inconvenience to them. I recognize this because that's how my parents were, and still are to this day. I hope they both get convicted.
Unfortunately, this is how many children’s homes are. It’s soul crushing to think about. We all need to look ourselves in the mirror and work on being better human beings. I’m very sad to see the way this world is turning out.
@@petergriffin383sounds like you want them convicted because of your bad childhood.
The Crumbleys lived like pigs in their home. No order, no beauty anywhere to be found. I'd hate to live like this. How absolutely depressing.
Trump lovers. Too busy going to his rallys
And that’s your right. They can live how they chose it’s not a law your house has to look like better homes & gardens 😊
I wouldn’t raise children or live this way but that’s not what this trial is about.
@@tammyirwin703this is neglected home as the kid was neglected. This home would make anyone to feel depressed let aline teenage kid. No structure, no order, nothing any healthy family have and live like. If you find this to be normal and living like this, maybe you should look at your kids or grandkids and think about about their behavior . I guarantee you any kid whose living like this is mentally sick , unhappy child.
@@tammyirwin703 Nobody's asking for Better Homes and Gardens. It's just part of good parenting to give your child a clean, orderly place to live. We all need a clean kitchen to eat in. Who was providing Ethan with meals? Did he have clean sheets on a properly made bed so he could sleep in comfort? It doesn't take money to have beautiful rooms, just some color and decorating, some time and care.
The judge and defense attorney are absolutely dreadful at their jobs. Objections she is making are arguments that shouldn't be heard in front of jury and Judge stays silent ?!
This!! Whiney arguments at that!
I have to agree she is a whiny disheveled 13year old
Who forgot her adderal for the day! She can’t help herself by interrupting and talking over prosecutors and the judge. The judge was corrected several by the prosecutor and one time the had to ask the prosecutor what was protocol. it’s absolutely like nothing I have Everrr seen!!
And on top of it when the defense objected about the gun code as hearsay, the judge turned to the prosecution and asked them “is it?”
Very unfortunate, but I’m almost on hundred percent positive this case is going to end up as a mistrial due to incompetent legal counsel and judge
A TRAVESTY!!!!!
i totally agree, one is obnoxious and completely incompetent, unprofessional and ill prepared. The other one has no backbone and doesn't know how to control her courtroom! It's a flipping circus at this point!!!! It's honestly hard to watch. SMH
The house is mess...clearly nothing had a place in the house. Not even photos on the walls. A totally free for all. I couldn't live like this. That bathroom, straight nasty.
You telling me!! Ugh...nasty.
Go somewhere else
That’s what I don’t understand. People are free to live however, they choose just because it’s not how you live doesn’t mean anything last time I checked they’re not on trial for being messy or filthy
@@tammyirwin703But it shows the lifestyle! And filthy homes are generally very unhealthy! They weren't elderly or disabled, but made choices to put their resources towards big screen tvs, violent video games & leaving child alone while out fulfilling their own desires!
@@cristineconnell7803 lifestyles still don’t show guilt 🤷🏻♀️
The code being used was the default code so they obviously didn’t care if the son had access to the guns.
the law in MI is that guns dont have to be locked up
@@gjh9299That’s ok. They just need to prove gross negligence, which they seem to be doing very well.
You are still held responsible when something happens with that weapon . There are new laws now that you have to lock up weapons.
@@libertyna933 My mind is blown at how many people do not think that she is guilty.
"Mom I'm seeing demons", "cool son, I'll leave unsecured guns all over the place for you". Brilliant!
😂
Does anyone truly believe that JC was engaged in meaningful and beneficial parenting?
@@LersVvwad Agreed. It’s astonishing to see how many people defend her and refuse to acknowledge the high level of negligence, not just in this case, but as a parent. Anyone who thinks it’s acceptable behavior should not be parents. It’s horrifying. As if any level of neglect is acceptable because parenting is “hard”. Like WHAT?! It shocks my system every time I read comments that so staunchly defend her. It says a lot about those people and I’m concerned for their children.
Your comment is ridiculous.
@@LersVvwad Shame on you. You know NOTHING about law. Actually this case has every element to be a mistrial. I am a lawyer. This woman was convicted on pure hearsay and opinions which are taught in law school to be inadmissible as evidence. This woman NEVER broke a law.
Rest in peace all who lost their lives in this massacre and healing to all families❗
Thank you for sharing these sentiments‼️🌎
This trial focus is not on the true victims and loved ones that have suffered irreparable losses. 🌎🫶🏼👼🕊️💙🦋
Can someone give that defense attorney a Valium so she can talk in a calm professional manner instead of like a child saying “he took my toy”
I don’t think the judge knows the law well enough to
respond to objections. She just sounds confused.
Agree. She seems to be learning along the way - allowing too much from defense and even relaying on the prosecution to inform her. And she mumbles bc she’s not confident in what’s she saying. What a mess.
Agreed. My thoughts exactly.
At 17:18 did the judge really respond to the objection of hearsay by turning to the prosecution and asking, “IS IT?”
@@holyshiznits888 that’s what I heard. Some people have been saying the judge is behaving this way out of caution for a mis trial - but asking the prosecutor about things she needs to decide will be the reason they call for a mistrial
I think she’s confused by the objections because the defense attorney can never make it clear what she’s objecting to, because she’s just trying to keep the witnesses from talking.
The defense attorney….is HORRIBLE
This same lady defended Larry Nassar so should tell you
@@nicolemaffia4199😮😮😮
This defense attorney makes no sense to me. Her objecting to the code of the gun case is bizarre. Now the jury knows the code is suspect.
This is why she should be approaching the bench instead of doing speaking objections. She's highlighting the things she doesn't want to jury to notice. It's complete incompetence.
It was the default code so they never even touched the code left it as it was always
The prosecution is trying to show that they did not take steps to secure the firearm which was used in this trial….
I have never seen an attorney literally whine at the judge during every objection! Totally bizarre
And to top it off, at 17:18 did the judge really respond to the objection of hearsay by turning to the prosecution and asking “IS IT?” 😅
This house in shambles reflects a family's life in shambles. Eye opening.
My God! This kid’s bedroom is horrific
So the gun salesperson gave them the cable lock for the new weapon but the Crumleys never attached it to the weapon. The cable lock is still in its original packaging.
When the gun store employee testified, she mentioned how they give every single purchaser a free trigger lock, and a free cable lock with every gun they buy.
He had a locking gun case with a handle, but it was for two smaller guns, and the ATF agent testified that the larger gun that was taken to school, would not have fit into it even by itself.
And the gun safe it was supposed to be kept with had a combination of 000M - they never bothered, changing it from the factory settings.
The parents did not even try to properly secure those guns
@@TakenTookbut the parents (and defense!) lied and SAID they were secured.
@@lynnmarble8456 -- agreed that the parents lied. Not surprising, giving what crappy people they have turned out to be all along.
It's unsafe to disable home defense weapons. (edit- disable with a cable) You should only prevent the kids from getting them, not the adults.
@@406MenaceRacecar -- I agree, which is why my home defense weapon is not in one of my safes, but hidden up high with a trigger lock so it has quicker access. But these parents didn't even do that much.
Who lets their kid live like this? Clearly unsupervised!
Who lives like that period. Nasty. Litter box next to master bed. Gross.
@@poodee9395Highly gross & unhealthy! That poor kid never had a chance with these parent's! I think the Dad is more manipulated by Mom. But he could have/should have been more involved with his son also!
And Target posters on the wall!
This trial is so unbelievable. The defense attorney is ridiculous and the judge, to me, doesn't act like the typical judge. She definitely doesn't say "sustained" or "overruled" to any objections raised but seems to either argue or ask the witness questions herself. Yikes!
She is acting like a mentor to the defense attorney. Not like a judge
Right?! But I’ve heard very little use of the term objection.. the defense just WHINES ‘your Hooonor’ then voices her arguments usually without the correct legal terminology!
I’ve never seen anything like this! I’m actually embarrassed for them.. So bad
You’re not watching the million dollar trial of celebrities like Heard & Depp. Everyone is doing their job. Real life is not like TV or RUclips. Your assumptions are embarrassing. L2@OSUlaw
@@botanisex this attorney is acting like the judge is her mom and she's having little temper tantrums
Im just gonna say...how can people live like this
Lack of parenting in that house. Dad wasn’t working…what did he do all day? Looks like nothing by the house.
He was doing Door Dash and riding horses, too.
The US needs stronger gun laws and Congress is too afraid to address it.
Because they are making too much money (a particular party)! Unless something happens to their kids no policies will change. Sadly.
@@rw7039 You know the law these ignorant harpies want. It starts with a "C" and ends in "scation".
They should make stronger laws against drugs too! Oh, wait… lol
@@rw7039 The Right to Carry and Bear Arms is outdated in my opinion. I live in a state with strict gun laws. Thank god. Your state is likely southern. The states with weaker gun laws have higher rates of gun deaths. Many lives would be saved with more gun laws.
Republicans are.
I can’t imagine just sitting at a computer and seeing a call come across the screen about a school shooting no school shootings should never happen
This judge is a complete airhead. Is she even listening?
Their home life was disorganised, maybe too much time spent with the horses. Sad for the boy.
Sad for the boy?? What about the victims he murdered?
@@kuroneko7022 children are only partially responsible for their actions when they are raised in a household that contributes to the behaviors that lead to said actions. The parents can be held accountable, we can hold the child accountable to an extent, and we can mourn the loss of the lives he took all at the same time. Ultimately this trial has absolutely demonstrated these parents emotionally neglected this kid and blatantly ignored warning signs through a lack of attention on their son, I have a feeling she will be convicted and so will the father, just based on their inattention to care for their child.
At the very beginning of the case, I researched the parents. They both had records.
So what sound like a pig by 15 u know the difference between right and wrong wrong.
Going to the horses took priority over her son's well being or cleaning her home !
So, though Ethan committed absolutely a horrible evil act, my heart hurts for this poor kid. Living in this, treated like he was nothing had no value or worth .... his own mom laughed at him when he said he needed help. This is so tragic, some humans should never procreate!!
I don’t think Ethan had a chance!! He was practically screaming for help yet nobody cared… the number of victims due to these parents neglect is staggering!
This child couldn't have asked for more help. It's absurd that no one reacted. He told his parents over and over again that he was hearing voices and seeing demons. He begged to see a therapist and psychiatrist. He drew a picture of a shooting with the words: "the voices don't stop. Help me" underneath. The parents saw the picture BEFORE the shooting. They knew he was hearing voices for years at this point. They knew they denied him treatment for it. They knew they had bought him a gun and ammunition. And they still did absolutely nothing. Even refused to take him home. This shooting was preventable. The parents are guilty as sin.
Looking at these photos makes me conscious of how messy my own home is ;)
This Judge is horrible, she has no control whatsoever, the defense lady walks all over her with stupid objections about non-sense. If this lady gets a guilty verdict, it's going to be because of this unhinged defense attorney.
The state of that home proves "gross neglect" What a sh*t hole.
Defense attorney’s constant ridiculous objections are really slowing this trial down…. Why is Judge just totally silent
Don't want a mistrial!
BC This judge is weak.
I thought the same thing and she hasn’t done anything to change my mind.
Honestly she seems very immature. Every time she makes an objection she sounds like a child whining at her mom to get her a toy.
She always seems to have to have centre stage. Loves the cameras.
From watching true crime and courtroom videos, I've noticed that so many people live in mess and filth...I just don't get it 😳
Sames!
Is this the defense attorney’s first case? She seems inappropriate at times and just simply annoying to me.
Worst Judge and defense I have ever seen. So sad!
@@micheleshertenlieb4856
Is the atty appointed?
@@BeegirlsHoneyHouse no self paid
@@micheleshertenlieb4856 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@BeegirlsHoneyHouse why would you laugh at such a horrible situation? Your just as sick as the defendant.
I know some people think parents shouldn’t be charged because no one-including me-what’s to be legally responsible for their children’s actions. You can be a bad parent and it’s not illegal. But these parents aren’t being charged for that, I believe they contributed to his crime by an illegal act. He had possession of that gun without supervision-we saw it in his video when he’s holding it. He committed the crime with this gun and after it happened the parents tried to wipe out anything connecting them to the crime. I believe their kid is evil and is responsible for what he did.There are kids who were horrifically abused and neglected and they don’t do this. But he’s been sentenced. This is for how the parents contributed to his ability to carry out the crime.
Targets hung up on the wall 😮 yikes!!!
A nasty room is pretty typical for a teenage boy, but not necessarily a dirty house. Cleanliness was certainly not this mothers priority. I would never want my son who had mental illness to own a gun. I would live in fear!
Or the father's priority?
The father was unemployed. I don't believe his arms and legs were broken!
If my husband was pretty much unemployed and I’m out working all day I’d expect he would do housework, groceries, etc.
It was so obvious and she even acknowledged so herself that he was experiencing not just depression but some sort of psychosis ("seeing demons") and yet she bought him a gun and told him "lol don't get caught (with it)", knowing he was not supposed to have it. She is absolutely where she needs to be. This could have all been avoided if she cared about her son more.
That home was a disaster. No one did housework there. So if the dad didn’t do any work but DoorDash and the mother worked at an office that she said she hated and no one had time to answer the son’s text messages at all or take him to a doctor for his needs, but they had time to have extra marital affairs, horseback riding, and I guess not much else. They clearly failed their child. And I believe that failure sure contributed to people ending up being killed because of poor decisions and laziness.
When this woman takes the stand in her defense, they better drill her about locking him out the night before bc he was hallucinating. The video of him with the spit guard screaming over and over 'why didn't you stop it!/you could have stopped it" directing it to his mom and G*d... broke my heart and broke me down... i wanna give him a hug
When was that video shown? I've been watching pieces here and there and haven't come across that yet
I'm wondering too! @@TheBiondoFamily
Why don't you ask the parents of the slain teen if they need hugs? I don't blame the mother for not hugging him. She had good reason to be angry.
Poor kid - that home shows neglect just like her soon was neglected. If one of the parents had even walked into his room, they would have seen the alcohol and knives. No child should be raised like this.
Someone needs to let the high school def attorney know that her mic is on and everyone can hear her whispers..
Obviously Jennifer didn't like cleaning or doing laundry 😮
Neither did James apparently or Ethan
@@hereweare2031 and apparently neither did Ethan let’s keep in mind he was 15 not five he could’ve cleaned his own room and he could’ve helped do laundry and pick up the house too. At least that’s what I taught my kids to do if you think I was in cleaning my 15-year-old bedroom you fell on a bump your head.
This trial exposes the poor education system we have grossly underfunded in America and the very low standards we have come to accept when it comes to professionalism and higher education. The defense lawyer and judge are ridiculous. I’d be ashamed to go out in public after this travesty. They are simpletons.
This whole family needed counselling. Complete chaos.
Gee I just CANT imagine where the kid got the obsession with guns? It’s like it came out of nowhere and wasn’t predictable at all. 😑
My God the kid had paper human targets on his walls. Yikes
These pictures are so telling..
Messy people worldwide be like : I hope no one in my family commits a crime, otherwise my home is going to be photographed and judged online
This is like first year law students having a mock trial.
My God, that house is a pig sty!
After all , mom's favorite place was a barn. Smh disgusting right ?
My son is a sophomore in high school and I’m convinced he would be a more competent attorney than this defense lawyer is. She comes across as a parody of a defense attorney on an episode of SNL. I keep waiting to hear the laugh track.
I agree!
Did anybody ever pick up anything in that house?
The condition of this home is a complete crime scene. Empty gun case, empty boxes of bullets, shell casings in his room with a fake AR-15, BB guns, pellets, knives everywhere. Jury got it right everyone who lives in that house is Guilty. Jim save the families additional stress and take the plea deal. UNBELIEVABLE
No wonder why the kid was depressed, there wasn’t one room in that home that was in order. Horrible.
It’s as though these parents had Ethan to please grandparents or because it’s expected rather than they wanted to be parents. Affairs, guns, horses ect yet no attention, health insurance, mental health care or affections for this boy, how sad they left him in his time of need, he cried out for help so many times and they did not listen or care until it effected them.
She called him an oopsie baby several times. He wasn't planned and sadly not wanted either
The home is depressing in its self. They could have had a housekeeper and had counseling for the shooter instead of spending all that money on themselves via the horses. There are responsibilities when you are a parent
If the mother was complaining about how messy the son's room was, I would conclude that the mother did not set a good example. I would have mental health issues too, with the level of mess in the master bedroom. I conclude that the rest of the house is just as messy and disorderly. Such mess is indicative of the mess in the minds of the residents in that house.
If you can afford horses , you can afford Merry Maids once a week. Jesus
No excuse for not getting this kid therapy. No insurance? Many places operate on a sliding scale. Apparently dear mom was proficient in the use of a smart phone. She could have researched places to get her son help.
They ask for no resource referrals at the school meeting either🤬‼️
"when you saw the gun box THE GUN WAS. NOT. THERE!" (no sh^t Sherlock, it was confisated from the shooter at the school earlier in the day). I have never heard such a whiny, pointlessly argumentative lawyer, ever.
I’ve decided Michigan must be where all lawyers / judges go that barely passed the bar.. Dear Lord I’m embarrassed for them 🤦🏻♀️
Did l hear something about the mother offering her son Xanax.....
And seeing that empty bottle of Whisky beside his bed.
This child never had a chance.
Praying for All the Families. ❤
For FFS what is wrong with this Judge????? Objection…
Judge.. asks a question rather than .. overruled /sustain!
After seeing the photos, is there any question about the mental process of this entire family?
Well that would make sense because when your mentally not feeling well the last thing your going to care about is making sure your house is spotless so yeah, maybe both parents were mentally unwell! All I know is it’s not my place to judge how other people live when you don’t know what they deal with on a day to day basis. If you want to judge them for not getting their son help or allowing him access to a firearm that’s one thing but there is no reason to judge them for not keeping a neat house! That has nothing to do with why this happened!
So did the child give the code to the mom at the shooting range? Bc she’s claiming she didn’t know it.
Cute house from the outside but the inside is a total mess. Did the shooter really need 2 bedrooms? Sad that he wasnt raised in a more tidy and disciplined environment. I wouldn't be able to sit in such disaray. Very sad. Kids do better with love, nurturing and rules.
The other bedroom was his step-brother's bedroom. I suspect that when his step-brother moved out and left a lot of stuff, it was easier to let Ethan use the space and his stuff instead of clearing it out.
Worse than a college dormitory with five wild care free students 😮😮😮
Wear clean underwear in case you're in an accident...and clean your house in case the cops get a warrant to search it. Jennifer should have spent more time cleaning her house and less time with her horses. 😊
If her husband was not working, he could help clean also. Just horrible.
@@jennywinget1144 well, it's her trial right now, so I'm just talking about her, in particular. Reasons she's guilty... Didn't have her priorities straight in the slightest.
I like how Jennifer's Attorney was able to get in the "fact" that her client "didn't know the combination to the safe" or she had "no knowledge" of how to get in the safe, without putting her client on the stand and asking her directly. Were I the prosecution, I would have pointed out that the question has no reference to what Jennifer knew, or DIDN'T know about the safe. That maybe she did know, and maybe she didn't, that that has yet to be determined. Not leaving that fact hanging.
I also think there to many open convos in court that should be taken to the bench not just open dialect
You would think after all the school shootings in this country our schools would have more plans in place such as
being able to check a backpack
I can’t listen to that horrible defense attorney and the judge - what a mockery to our legal system.
He never had a clean room, clean clothes, or a home cooked meal. We can't refer to her as a Mother, and that defense attorney isn't a real attorney. Their both Nightmares.
Thank you lord for having such a lovely wife whose taking care of our kid, keeping our home so clean and in order, cooking for us every day, out home smells on cakes every single day. This mother neglected that kid big time.
As well as her husband and living in horrific conditions. I wonder what was inside the fridge other than booze. Was there milk, bread and working water at the very least. Those 2 parents are beyond negligent. No wonder they had 0 character witnesses.
This what my house looked like with my ex-wife. I almost had a nervous breakdown from all the clutter. Eventually couldn’t live like that anymore. Poor Ethan having to live with that visual chaos.
No shade, but with it affecting you so much… I have to ask if you ever tried to clean it for her, or gotten help to do so? Would she make it difficult if you had, maybe out of embarrassment? Having that much chaos constantly is a sign of mental illness and self depreciation. I promise I’m not pointing blame on you, I’m just curious.
I did have cleaners come in a few times but any benefits were short-lived and the clutter would be back within days. It got to a point where I couldn’t comment on it at all or it started a major fight. So I just lived with it for way too long. @@prittypandasmom6309
That’s what I keep saying! It’s not fair to judge someone because their house isn’t neat when you don’t know them or know what their going through on a day to day basis! Most people that live like that DO have some sort of mental health issues! What it comes down to is he didn’t do what he did because his house wasn’t neat I can promise you that!
Instead of buying a gun for your son, go out and buy a Bible to learn about being kind to other people. I am not a religious man, but it makes sense to me instead of buying a gun. For someone that mentally unstable and her lawyer is not ready for any kind of trail , let alone this trial at this magnitudeThe mother is so calloushe looks like what am I doing here? What have I done I don't believe she thinks that she did anything wrong. She could have stopped her husband for buying that gun.
Yes, sir, she could have done that. She has no feelings for any of these families. She just wants to get yourself out of the this jam😢😢
Her attorney is as good as Alina Habba. 😳
Recipe for disaster and here we are.
The speaking objections in this trial is insane. I’ve never seen anything like it.
She is guilty
Anyone else hate when a witness answers “yup”?!?! Drives me nutty, 🤷♀️
Me!!! It should be "Yes" or "yes sir/ no sir, yes mam/ no mam" 🥴
GAWDDDDDDD, this house is DISGUSTING! She'll be happy to know she won't have much to clean up in her jail cell! #GUILTY
This child didn’t decide to shoot up his school because his parents don’t keep their house neat! He did it because #1, he was struggling with severe mental health issues that weren’t being addressed and #2, he had access to a weapon that he never should have so if you want to judge them for anything it should be for that, not because they aren’t good house keepers! When I watch tv I see SO many houses that look just like that inside with people who also have children and they don’t go and shoot up a school! There are SO many people in this country with mental health issues that can barley get by each day never mind making sure their house is neat, I’m sure that is the last thing on their minds when your struggling mentally every single day! Life is not as easy for some people as it is for others!
You can tell how neglectful they were just by looking inside that house. Appalling.
The sound really sucks compared to Attorneys sound!!!??
And no wonder the son had no friends - would you let your child visit there???
Defense lawyer arguing about the code to the lockbox containing firearms that were NOT used in the shooting. 😂
Pictures like this are sad cuz they are frozen in time for such a horrible tragedy
Children cannot raise themselves.
This case, mainly in terms of the neglect the parents showed, Reminds me of the song “Jeremy,” by Pearl Jam. This trial reminds me in particular of the line, “and the boy was something Mommy wouldn’t wear.” Jennifer may not have been into clothes so much but replace the line with something regarding horses or anything else besides Ethan, and you’ve got is spot on.
Defense attorney is terrible!!