Considering that ALL primarchs are partial creatures of the warp from the very beginning, this makes sense in the Lions case. Sounds like he accepted his gifts and learned to properly use them, just like Corax did.
Wonder if Gw will tap into any of the old "Green Knight" King Arthur stories now that forests are more of a big thing for Lion and that he has added more green to his armor as opposed to the mostly black armor he wore before and during the Heresy
Yeah, that does seem like it. We already got the whole "Once and Future King" thing from Roboute; it only makes sense for the Lion to take on a different role from Arthurian myth.
@@LordCommander-ui2fw Then again, "The King Under the Mountain" was a common folkloric motif. So it's hardly unusual that multiple figures in 40K might fit that bill.
I need to see Kaldor Drago, Lion El'Johnson, and maybe even Corvus Corax running into each other in the warp, and just deciding to go stomp some demon worlds together!
For the shield: The Dark Angels we’re gifted weapons from the Big E during the Crusade. These weapons were ones that even the other legions couldn’t be given. It’s entirely possible that the Emperor’s shield was amongst this trove.
I love the forest walk magic thing, reminds me of old 40k when weird things didn't get explained, only hinted at to make your imagination go wild. I hope they don't ruin the fun of it when they inevitably explain it
Nah its autistic. Its been hinted his warp ability is tied to the watchers who negate warp and his special blade that wounded primarchs lethally, There was never fucking. Warp web way walk teased this is just cancer lmfao
@@candrian7 I think cypher actually is the primarch. Or rather a fragment of his mind that formed through the warp and was spat out into the real world somehow. While cypher has no memories of the lion he shares his "soul", thats why you never know if cypher actually wants to help or destroy the imperium. I think the lion would behave exactly the same if he "forgot" that he was the emperors son and had his memories erased. Or the same bullshit but with Luthor instead of the lion.
Yeah I was thinking that at first but the whole, "Arrival heralded by the apparition of ancient forest" thing kinda kills that. Personally I like the Tutulcha idea better but I think they just wanted him to mimic the Green Knight, unfortunately.
Lion looks decidedly older, even though it seems he hasn't been awake more than he's been in statis. Tutulcha burns thru normal human hosts, but how would it burn thru a Primarch? And how might a Primarch affect the way tutulcha works (green forest appearing)? Plus, it would give Jonson his own Cawl in a way; someone powerful, with differing opinions to have secret conversations with...
@@stevepickford3004 that doesn't explain the aging as Primarchs don't age with time. They visibly age through stress or (mostly chaos induced) heavy wounds, which explains his appearance. And even that is only visual, Primarchs have an open ended life span.
@@fourfours9928 who said primarchs don't age? They are functionally immortal but that doesn't stop them changing appearance. Besides, I'd say being heavily injured and in a coma for 10k years might be a slight stress.
I mean. Cipher seems able to do a similar thing The DA themselves have a warp being who can do it. The Watchers used to appear and disappear strangely and definitely seem to have an attachment to the warp… So the Primarch having this power feels absolutely on point! And I like the callback to Caliban too. Good job GW
So the Lion is basically the Green Knight of Bretonnia. Grail knights are basically WH fantasy’s space marines but instead of science, they get their power from a goddess’ bath water.
@@spookrockcity In Warhammer Fantasy, it's heavily implied (and later confirmed in the End Times) that the Green Knight of Bretonnia was Gilles le Breton, the nation's first king and the one who united its many knights under one banner. Gilles le Breton is, naturally, Warhammer Fantasy's version of King Arthur. So, both of these assertions are true.
It could be something to do with the watchers in the dark when it comes to him appearing on different worlds. It would make the most sense for how this is done.
He’s also seemingly incorruptible by the warp, wasn’t there a changer of ways who couldnt see any scenario where he could tempt the lion to chaos? That makes him perfect to warp jump, having a strong and unwavering mind whilst moving through the madness of the immaterium
Of course it's the watchers teleporting him around... Why is that not clear to so many? Forrest springing up of nowhere. Strange plants growing on a cleared out Ark of Omens. The watchers were always in tune with the forrest. You have two watchers on the Lions latest tabletop model. The Lion didn't study warp botanics in the last 10k years...
Well yeah. It's not like Luther took over Caliban while openly preaching the word of the Dark Gods. Even HE didn't know he was being influenced by them. Most of the Fallen at the time - probably a vast majority - had no knowledge of Chaos, much less allegiance. It's entirely reasonable, then, that while some embraced the Ruinous Powers out of desperation or spite, others would reject Chaos or simply have no knowledge of it.
@@montgomerym5407 It is rumored that Jonson was the one son the Emperor told about the ruinous powers, but even that isn't certain. Luther knew he was influenced by Chaos because he was being recruited by Typhus of the Deathguard. Zahariel and his mystics thought they were neutral, but at least all mystics turned out to be corrupted by Tzeentch. We will we see if Zahariel will be the first to resist and stick to the Ouroboros until he figures out that is a daemon as well. The rest of the regular Dark Angels have been loyal to all possible causes, from the Lion to Caliban, Terra, or just themselves.
@@Bluecho4 haha yea but GW is autistic. All the Fallen are led by Maribus or whatever the only dark angel demon prince is. And luther who then all gathered 100k fallen marines. So a demon prince is leading them with luther. The lore makes no fucking sense
@@erih2934 dude Lionel grew up killing warp beasts wtf do u mean even if the emperor didnt tell him i think it would be fairly apparent. Also perty knew but thats cause the emperor is an asshole
Lion doesn't actually look as old on that book cover as his model does; I think having his hair pulled back with the style of moustache and beard he's wearing gives his face a very angular look; maybe he's not as quite as old-looking as we thought? Anyway, it doesn't matter - the only other thing I can think of regarding his new warp/forest walking ability (besides the Watchers granting it to him) is Tuchulcha. I know Azrael and Co. still have him on their flag ship but that warp entity always demonstrated an affinity to Lion; perhaps a way was found where Lion could access his teleport abilities remotely? I'm just tossing out ideas here. All in all, I like this new background information and it's kind of cool that he's actually been active on the down-low for some time. There could be some very interesting stories to tell from that perspective. I look forward to learning more; I wonder when that Son of the Forest book will be out? Thanks for the video !
Would be pretty sick if the watchers have been teleporting him all over the galaxy for the last 10k years to hunt massive monsters before teleporting him back and putting him back to sleep
So he would also become a Meme in a way? The watchers are waking him up to slay another monster, Lion gets off his throne like Spongebog "Allright...Imma head out."
Ahh, Lion El Johnson in the flesh, or rather in the power armour. I took the liberty of relieving you of your weapons, most of which is Imperium property but as for the shield... I think you've earned it.
I like that GW seems to be giving the 40k DA a more knightly vibe. In 30k they never felt like knights of any sort; they felt like Death Guard. They didn’t have anything in the way of a code of ethics or honor; they were exterminators. And in 40k they are kind of a meme due to the Fallen. They need an image/identity overhaul.
I hope Zahariel comes back. He was one of the most interesting characters of all the books I've read. Literally everything you said about The Lion being a random traveller helping people kill daemons and felspawn would be so much better applied to Zahariel, since he made a pact with the Watchers in the Dark and they'd be able to unlock that power in him because he's a powerful psyker.
Whether through the supernatural assistance of the Watchers or through the Lions own psychic potential, the forest wreathed passages sound like a psychic manifestation of the forests of Old Caliban before it was destroyed. The same forests the Lion wandered both as a lost child and a sworn knight, with only a focus to survive another day and destroy the monsters that lurked within them. He carries those memories so intensely, especially after Caliban’s destruction, that it melded with his singular nature to seek out the Imperiums enemies, manifesting as a psychic ability.
Azreal: "Brothers, glorious news! Reports suggest that our father has returned!" The Lion steps out of the shadows: "Yes, I have been around for a while."
The Lion has been chilling with Kaldor Draigo for centuries, throwing huge parties, and getting wasted. The two of them built a house made of demon bones, and coming soon to Warhammer + is a new buddy comedy set in the warp, showing what an odd couple these 2 really are.
I just hope his humility from the end of his time during the Heresy is maintained as it made him one of the most human characters. Not only did he do a 180 on his views of those who fell but he even forgave someone who was straight up becoming a deamon. The new book looks like it's keeping it but, GW has fumbled harder before.
that looks extremly like his old fusilade. Wich is a very weierd one (an Assault 2 Plasma Gun, that counts for special rules as a bolter and a plasma gun... oh and looks like a pistol ^^)
About Cypher: What if he's a Daemon of the Imperium like Celestine or the Sanguinor but specifically for the Dark Angels, Fallen and Non-Fallen ones. So he works for bpth sides depending on which part of the willl of the DA he currently represents, destroy the Imperium or save it. Would also explain how he could always escape, is still alive, suddenly appears etc. But tbh no way. Like there would be more signs that he's not just a marine.
Read the lore of the dark angels more please...a good portion of the dark angels have a camouflaging ability and a warp suppressing ability to remain undetected passed on through their geneseed directly from the lion himself... That being said, considering the emperor is actually the dark king and the 5th chaos God, every single space marine and primarch is a daemon of the emperor, so you aren't wrong persay
we have known that all the Primarchs have had hidden powers for a long time its nice that they are finally showing us. the question is what to do whit Cipher
The forest walk is interesting, the idea that I think it’s trying to express is that a part of Lion never left the dark savage forest where he was found, and that part if him brings it with him where ever he goes, the effects of the warp manifesting that part of his psyche whenever he stalks his prey.
If GW are gonna take The Dark Angels in a more "knightly" direction,then I'm not really complaining. It not only sounds interesting but could lead to some interesting looking DA exclusive models
I believe that the ability to walk/jump through the warp is neither imperial tech nor his new, never before discussed skill, but of the watchers in the dark. They have always been able to appear and disappear from and to nowwhere and brought the Lion to a chamber in the Rock, that is acutally unaccessabil. Makes total sense, that they do it by some warp-trickery and that they ofer it to the lion. Either by going with him and opening it up for him (they are on his base after all) or by giving him some artefact or maybe teaching him...
Teleporting by walking through forests reminds me a lot of the Silfen from Peter F Hamilton's scifi Commonwealth book series. They were a highly advanced race that had no visible technology but all of their worlds were seamlessly linked through forests. Many were lost by wandering through them only to end up on other worlds.
As always thank you so much for the informative video, it was so interesting to hear about the Lion's lore, looking forward to read the new book about him.
I like the green knight element they dashed into his king Arthur aspect. Seems pretty clear to me his forest walk ability is warpbased. They always said Caliban had a life of its own. The lore in 30k really made it feel like a character all it's own that the DA both loved it and knew that it was incredibly deadly and not exactly their friend. I think part of the soul of Caliban bled itself into the Lion during its destruction and his duel with Luther. Plenty of swirling energies and warp saturation to justify this. Now caliban lives on inside him.
Those *Warp Jump/Forrest Walk* abilities are not inherent to the Lion. It's the Watchers doing that for him! That's why you see two of them on his latest model following him around. Would be my safest bet. Pretty sure that's the explanation we're going to get.
Am I missing a reference here? It's not really a joke. The ability is called Forestwalk. It was previewed in a WarCom article. Forestwalk "During deployment, you can set up this model on shadowed paths instead of setting it up on the battlefield." Yada yada, reinforcements.
@@captainflapjax7240 I didn't even realize that ability was specifically named. I always just called it Landwalk. I also didn't think that was used anymore.
@@jordanjack4629 It generally isn't in contemporary releases. In sets made for older formats, or specific cards that have a history it can be printed.
There is a quote in The eye of terra novel that said something along the lines of 'each navigator perceives the warp differently as their fragile mind tries to make sense of the un-physics.' Clearly the lion has achieved this and his mind uses the forests of Caliban where he survived before being taken in by Luther in his adulthood to navigate the warp. The book goes further to note that only a navigator or a demon can navigate the warp, it's possible that the lion is managed to tap into the powers of the warp entity used to create his soul.
The Tuchulca Engine I believe it was called. It's some kind of ancient sentient device, The Lion discovered it during the Heresy and managed to stop Typhon of the Death Guard from getting it. It's theorised to be some kind of Warp entity. The Lion had extensive conversations with the device after he retrieved it, he even confided in it more than anything or anyone else. After the Heresy it became embedded within the rock. It's part of a triumvirate of similar sentient devices all capable of extremely efficient and accurate Warp jumps. When combine together they can even allow travel through time. The Dark Angels eventually found the other two and had all three but Ezekiel convinced Azrael it was not worth the risk trying to alter time and history just to stop The Fallen. So Azrael destroyed the other two devices.
@@LupusGr3y Yeah, Azrael and Ezekiel didn't know for sure what would happen if they combined them. So it was a good decision from both a lore and plot point of view.
Fulgrim takes a sniper round through the eye that unraveled in his brain, he healed in minutes. They make the Lion sleep 10,000 years. For that amount of time Ferrus could have grown back his head.
That's why going in depth about the primarchs was one of the stupidest ideas GW had for the lore of 40k. It was much better when they were just these mythological figures whose powers and deeds were likely just legends made up by the Ecclisiarchy.
I like the theory that the Lion has been dreaming about being active and that the Watchers essentially allowed him to astrally project to do stuff. This is gonna be him getting up fully to wage war at full power. The side effect of the Watchers shenanigans being Forestwalk
Fealty could actually be evidence that cypher has made his way back to dear ol' dad. Fealty being the oath made to demonstrate allegiance to a lord. Could be a replacement or a re-forged lion sword (though th hilt is markedly different, renamed and gifted to demonstrate his loyalty. The watchers probably help explain the forestwalk thing.
There was a short story about DA getting info from one of the captured Fallen about a sword hidden away. DA dispatched a task force to get it by all means necessary just to find out it's the Luther's sword.
It makes sense for the Lion to have a new sword. The Lion Sword carried by Cypher is shattered. Guilliman broke it over his knee in 'The Unremembered Empire' after he used extreme measures to hunt down Kurze on Macragge (leading to the deaths of civilians). That's why the heresy model for him has two swords. You can use the Lion Sword if representing him before Macragge. Otherwise you can use the giant chainsword that he also comes with.
In (one version of) Arthurian legend the witch Morrgan le Fay transformed a knight of Arthur's court into the Green Knight. I wonder if there might analogously also be some external character influence that can explain his new unusual warp power. That aside given these obvious allusions to the Arthurian Green knight and coupled with Dark Angels traditional role in the lore in general I would be surprised if he doesn't remain much more removed from the Imperium in narrative terms than Guilliman.
I hope that he takes an active role in the imperium from here on out. Would hate to see him become another legion of the damned or Marneus Calgar, appearing just in time to save the day before disappearing again. Was looking forward to seeing a bit if a power struggle with Guilliman similar to what happened on Ultramar during the Heresey. Would be pretty funny if he took over wardship of imperium nihilus and renamed it imperium secundus just to troll Guilliman.
You never read the heresy books did you. They made up right before they split ways and see each other from their perspective. If anything lion and guilleman will have a stronger bond now that they are the only primarchs around
NGL the warp travel thing and the BAs finding that empty Ark is pretty sick. Same goes that he's been awake, gives us a different way of the "waking of a Primarch" as well. It was one big shock for Guilliman, who woke up with enemies right in front of him. So they could write the Lion's discovery of how much worse the Imperium is 10'000 years later step by step and slowly over many years between him waking up in Nihilus and the Arks of Omen story line. Also the thing about Big E's shield, honestly I could see them writing it in the Scouring series that every loyalist Primarch or at least some find or take or get a specific artifact that was made by Big E, maybe some kind of farewell thing by Big E himself even where he told Valdor who inherits what and so the Lion takes a shield home to Caliban
Lion's always been humble. That was the point of his Primarch novel. He doesn't feed off of glory like his brothers. He's the only Primarch who does it for the sake of duty alone. Regarding his warp walking, I'm willing to bet that the Orobourus cursed him like Mkar did with Draigo and it's finally wearing off. Plus remember that the Dreadwing Protocols gave Lion exclusive access to archeotech that surpassed anything the other legions had access to. It's likely he's just using what he had but never used unless absolutely necessary. Say the Fall of Caliban and fighting warp entities? I'm looking forward to it. Siege of Terra has been a disaster but the progression of 40k has been decent so far.
I'm thinking along the lines of Caliban being known to be forested, and also known to be warp tainted. Given the Lion slept in the last fragment of Caliban for millenia, then there's the start for the forest thing being derived from Caliban itself.
What if Cypher is El'Jonson's soul/mind that was separated and has been acting independently, and the thing he's supposed to unlock is more rejoining with his body to fully restore himself?
@@ashardalondragnipurake Hm? I don't know too much about it, just thought it would be an interesting angle. I have no idea who Cypher is or what he's actually on about/goal is. But him being a portion of someone's psyche in a separate form could explain some things...but I don't know, it was just a thought.
I believe there is a theory that part of Jonson's soul is in The Lionsword. Cypher is absolutely not an entity of Jonson. He is his own individual self. As to who exactly and what he may be is up in the air. Although I think in Eye of Ezekiel it was confirmed that Cypher has been acting orders get ven directly from The Lion...
So the Lion´s appearance could some worlds let freak out. Imagine living on a hive or forge world and then suddenly a forest appears out of nowhere. But I like the idea to gather fallen knights, maybe a few fallen will be redeemed by him?
I hope so, I've always liked the idea of Loyalist Fallen. Those who were of Caliban but weren't convinced by Luther's speeches. I've even been working on a story about one such Fallen trying to disable the gubs firing on the Dark Angels fleet.
Mad guess for the forest travel thing: When Caliban was destroyed, shards of it were scattered throughout the Warp and Johnson can travel across them like his own personal webway
@@jasonusborne8629 it was almost certainly somewhat touched by chaos. The Great Beasts were theorised to have developed under the influence of chaos as Caliban was close to the eye It doesn't *not* make sense, although possibly I'm reaching a bit
The forest warp magic could be that he has access to a specific Web-wayesque part of the Warp that resembles Terran flora and happens to leave behind a mark of that part or the Warp whenever he enters/exits it
The Lion sword - that was broken by Roboute - was rebuild on Holguin's orders even before the Sanginus departed for earth, yet the Lion didn't want to use it and took his Wolf Sword (nothing to do with Russ). So I'm interested to see if the Lion actually used it in the fight with Luther or how else it ended up there. It is also said in Cypher: Lord of the Fallen that the sword is actually a key for a door. Chances are its not meant to be wielded by the Lion maybe just to set him free... or who knows? Maybe it unlocks what Vasthorr was after (he was looking for keys).
Marbas didn't free Luther, someone deactivated his stasis and left the door open for him. This implied to me that the watchers did it, as Luther left with purpose.
This version is from Luther's book, but wasn't it stated in the Dark Angels codex that force was obviously used as Azrael stands there and inspects the door of the cell. Luther just being set free appears to me to be part of his own delusions... at least its hinted at.
@@malakye7459 I'm not certain myself where the Azrael part is written. I've only seen it online and I think it referenced the 7th or 8th edition Dark Angels codex. Sorry, I wish I could give you a better source information.
@@erih2934 its next to Azraels lore entry in the 9th edition codex, he's looking at the doors mangled, blackened, and warped. Unsure if it was done from inside or out. All the wards and protective runes stripped etc. So he thinks either Marbas, some other demon or Luther himself could have played up his condition.
A custodes told him simply, "wait" There will be a point where the Emperor must shed his physical form to truly Ascend. That time is not yet, 40k makes too much money to have its lore blasted into oblivion like my true beloved, Old World fantasy...
What do you mean? Large parts of the lore have already been done away with. Take one of the primary points of the lore: Space Marine power armour. For years, it was considered hard to reproduce, each existing suit was either cobbled together from several suits or was considered a relic of the chapter. Nowadays, it's considered routine to just replace damaged Mk10 parts with new stock. Indeed, Mk10 and Gravis are simply snap-on jobs over Phobos armour. Then there's the Primaris themselves. For decades, Marines were considered so rare that there's meant to be about a million of them and all of a sudden, there's at least that many super-duper Marines just lying around in storage? Yes, it's been a while but the whole concept of Primaris marines was poorly implemented and poorly written. The Lion's fluff seems to be just as poorly written and incongruent with the setting as the rest of Imperial lore since 8th Ed.
The lion sword is dark age of technology tech and is probably one of the keys abbaddon is looking for. its just a question if the lion gets to cypher first as the key may unlock more than one thing
Azrael's sword is also a key. To the prison of Luther to be exact. Also in Master of Sanctity our favourite psychopath has a nervous breakdown, when grabbing the hilt of the sword Cypher carries about. He seems to be confronted with the memories of it's former bearer. So perhaps Lion el Johnson was/is suffering from amnesia until he gets it back? Time will tell.
This is a small but important point. It wasn't any "1/2 of the legion". It was 20,000 astartes, then subtract the number that died in the legion's bombardment and invasion. The legion was well over 100k, yes, they took losses, but seriously. The 1st Legion was purging Caliban and the defense platforms. The Calibanite astartes fled from Corswain's onslaught, which means that they could not practically maintain a defense. . . which means big casualty differentials.
For Cypher it can't be Luthors sword as the DA's found that on a Eldar maiden world. They sent the 4th company and a DW detachment to get it thinking it was the Lions sword. It was a great little story. I really dug it.
Putting in my guess at what's up with the Lion, I think he is the 'Key' Abby and Vrashtorr are after. An Imperial civil war would be the best thing for Chaos and after The Forgotten Empire it wouldn't take much evidence to paint GMan in the light of a usurper. For evidence, I think the rock that makes Abby laugh in the first book of omen was showing Gman as an emperor.
Man i hope to see some of that good fallen miniatures i want to build a diverse DA army with equal death/raven/green wing parts and perspective of having fourth, fallenwing would be so cool
The forest walk has got to be Tuchulcha reference, and he's just mastered the use if the artifacts ability so he doesn't even need a ship to travel trans-dimensionally...
Would be cool if the Lion woke up and just started wandering, stood up and just walked away into nothingness, traveling through the warp wordlessly from fight to fight, cutting down monsters before turning down a forest path and appearing at the next. Probably wouldn’t be permanent but if that’s how he returns till someone snaps him out of it I wouldn’t complain
Would love to see Corvus Corax come back, as a form of loyalist Raven demon prince. Could be the next pair of primarchs to get new models if he came back with Lorgar.
Yep, just more of thise nu40k nonsense that's all about "subverting expectations" because apparently that's the only literary device modern writers know how to use.
He spent about 10k years with them, could be he himself changed in that time and developed the ability due to constant exposure or machinations of the watchers. But otherwise I agree, it must be related to the watchers in some was or another.
Considering that ALL primarchs are partial creatures of the warp from the very beginning, this makes sense in the Lions case. Sounds like he accepted his gifts and learned to properly use them, just like Corax did.
I very much doubt it is the Lion's own ability. I think its the Watchers' who had their magic always displayed with some hint of Caliban forest.
Wonder if Gw will tap into any of the old "Green Knight" King Arthur stories now that forests are more of a big thing for Lion and that he has added more green to his armor as opposed to the mostly black armor he wore before and during the Heresy
Yeah, that does seem like it. We already got the whole "Once and Future King" thing from Roboute; it only makes sense for the Lion to take on a different role from Arthurian myth.
I like that idea. Especially since there’s a green knight in fantasy warhammer it would be a nice parallel
I mean forests have been a theme for dark angels before this so it’s more leaning into it more than a new thing
@@LordCommander-ui2fw Then again, "The King Under the Mountain" was a common folkloric motif. So it's hardly unusual that multiple figures in 40K might fit that bill.
Thoughts same here
Roboute; "It's so sad to lose El'Johnson."
Lion; "I'm not dead!"
Roboute; "Sometimes I can still here his voice."
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Its okay, they are looking for an excuse to make marines with spears next
Custodes are going to be pissed that regular astartes are getting in on their melee stick game.
There doesn't need to be an excuse.
Just give us power spears.
Deathwing Champion gets a halberd, which is pretty much a spear.
Grey knight halberds?
Shut up and take my money
I need to see Kaldor Drago, Lion El'Johnson, and maybe even Corvus Corax running into each other in the warp, and just deciding to go stomp some demon worlds together!
Replace Kaldor Draigo with Leman Russ and it'll just be a family reunion.
For the shield:
The Dark Angels we’re gifted weapons from the Big E during the Crusade. These weapons were ones that even the other legions couldn’t be given. It’s entirely possible that the Emperor’s shield was amongst this trove.
I love the forest walk magic thing, reminds me of old 40k when weird things didn't get explained, only hinted at to make your imagination go wild. I hope they don't ruin the fun of it when they inevitably explain it
Nah its autistic. Its been hinted his warp ability is tied to the watchers who negate warp and his special blade that wounded primarchs lethally,
There was never fucking. Warp web way walk teased this is just cancer lmfao
Metachlorians and nanomachines
Cypher can travel through unknown means, maybe that really came from the Primarch?
@@candrian7 I think cypher actually is the primarch. Or rather a fragment of his mind that formed through the warp and was spat out into the real world somehow. While cypher has no memories of the lion he shares his "soul", thats why you never know if cypher actually wants to help or destroy the imperium. I think the lion would behave exactly the same if he "forgot" that he was the emperors son and had his memories erased.
Or the same bullshit but with Luthor instead of the lion.
@@kyrridas1573 Don't forget the holy toasters.
Just gotta see if the Dark Angel’s Fallen Obsession can trump they’re love for their Primarch
Hey, man, I don't mean to be that guy, but its their love for their Primarch. Please don't hang me.
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@@codycurtin2295 Lore wise he isn't wrong, and to say its about anything else is to have the Dark Angels take you away to never be seen from again.
Lets just say that Lion leading the fallen for all these years would make Dark Angels even more rtarded than they have been portrayed this far.
@@_NutcasE_ is that even possible at this point?
If he's been popping up all across the universe, it could be Tutulcha. I liked its interactions with the Lion during HH.
Yeah I was thinking that at first but the whole, "Arrival heralded by the apparition of ancient forest" thing kinda kills that. Personally I like the Tutulcha idea better but I think they just wanted him to mimic the Green Knight, unfortunately.
Lion looks decidedly older, even though it seems he hasn't been awake more than he's been in statis. Tutulcha burns thru normal human hosts, but how would it burn thru a Primarch? And how might a Primarch affect the way tutulcha works (green forest appearing)? Plus, it would give Jonson his own Cawl in a way; someone powerful, with differing opinions to have secret conversations with...
@@jonpaulevans31 wasn't in stasis. Just sleeping so that explains the aging
@@stevepickford3004 that doesn't explain the aging as Primarchs don't age with time. They visibly age through stress or (mostly chaos induced) heavy wounds, which explains his appearance. And even that is only visual, Primarchs have an open ended life span.
@@fourfours9928 who said primarchs don't age? They are functionally immortal but that doesn't stop them changing appearance.
Besides, I'd say being heavily injured and in a coma for 10k years might be a slight stress.
It's possible that fealty is a reforged lion sword as the lore is that it was broken which would be why Cypher doesn't draw it from it's scabbard.
Would give big Tolkien, return of the king vibes
@@Priesthaxxor and GW does like their Tolkien
Lol, The sword was already repaired. Learn the lore properly.
@@x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x just looked it up and you're right. Maybe just renamed then? Who knows? Conjecture is fun!
@@x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x Daddy chill
I mean. Cipher seems able to do a similar thing The DA themselves have a warp being who can do it. The Watchers used to appear and disappear strangely and definitely seem to have an attachment to the warp… So the Primarch having this power feels absolutely on point! And I like the callback to Caliban too. Good job GW
Auspex, it is both strange and comforting hear you go over lore the same way you do with stats
So the Lion is basically the Green Knight of Bretonnia.
Grail knights are basically WH fantasy’s space marines but instead of science, they get their power from a goddess’ bath water.
I hate you for saying something so truthful.
No he's King Arthur
I've been saying this shit for like a year now if not more
*Elf goddess' bath water. Fixed that for you :P
@@spookrockcity In Warhammer Fantasy, it's heavily implied (and later confirmed in the End Times) that the Green Knight of Bretonnia was Gilles le Breton, the nation's first king and the one who united its many knights under one banner. Gilles le Breton is, naturally, Warhammer Fantasy's version of King Arthur.
So, both of these assertions are true.
It could be something to do with the watchers in the dark when it comes to him appearing on different worlds. It would make the most sense for how this is done.
He’s also seemingly incorruptible by the warp, wasn’t there a changer of ways who couldnt see any scenario where he could tempt the lion to chaos? That makes him perfect to warp jump, having a strong and unwavering mind whilst moving through the madness of the immaterium
Of course it's the watchers teleporting him around...
Why is that not clear to so many?
Forrest springing up of nowhere. Strange plants growing on a cleared out Ark of Omens.
The watchers were always in tune with the forrest. You have two watchers on the Lions latest tabletop model.
The Lion didn't study warp botanics in the last 10k years...
@@JanFWeh I'm imagining a botanical garden in the warp where Nurgle isn't allowed.
so how does cypher move around?
@@howdareyouexist Cypher uses his Primarch powers to alter his appearance. Stealth and deception.
Cypher doesn't exist. Cypher is Omegon in disguise.
considering how many different beliefs about their chapter the fallen have it isn't as shocking he's recruiting fallen
Well yeah. It's not like Luther took over Caliban while openly preaching the word of the Dark Gods. Even HE didn't know he was being influenced by them. Most of the Fallen at the time - probably a vast majority - had no knowledge of Chaos, much less allegiance. It's entirely reasonable, then, that while some embraced the Ruinous Powers out of desperation or spite, others would reject Chaos or simply have no knowledge of it.
@@Bluecho4 I thought the DA were the only legion that knew about Chaos prior to the Heresy? Or was it only the Lion? I may be mistaken on both.
@@montgomerym5407 It is rumored that Jonson was the one son the Emperor told about the ruinous powers, but even that isn't certain.
Luther knew he was influenced by Chaos because he was being recruited by Typhus of the Deathguard.
Zahariel and his mystics thought they were neutral, but at least all mystics turned out to be corrupted by Tzeentch. We will we see if Zahariel will be the first to resist and stick to the Ouroboros until he figures out that is a daemon as well.
The rest of the regular Dark Angels have been loyal to all possible causes, from the Lion to Caliban, Terra, or just themselves.
@@Bluecho4 haha yea but GW is autistic.
All the Fallen are led by Maribus or whatever the only dark angel demon prince is. And luther who then all gathered 100k fallen marines.
So a demon prince is leading them with luther.
The lore makes no fucking sense
@@erih2934 dude Lionel grew up killing warp beasts wtf do u mean even if the emperor didnt tell him i think it would be fairly apparent. Also perty knew but thats cause the emperor is an asshole
Lion doesn't actually look as old on that book cover as his model does; I think having his hair pulled back with the style of moustache and beard he's wearing gives his face a very angular look; maybe he's not as quite as old-looking as we thought? Anyway, it doesn't matter - the only other thing I can think of regarding his new warp/forest walking ability (besides the Watchers granting it to him) is Tuchulcha. I know Azrael and Co. still have him on their flag ship but that warp entity always demonstrated an affinity to Lion; perhaps a way was found where Lion could access his teleport abilities remotely? I'm just tossing out ideas here. All in all, I like this new background information and it's kind of cool that he's actually been active on the down-low for some time. There could be some very interesting stories to tell from that perspective. I look forward to learning more; I wonder when that Son of the Forest book will be out? Thanks for the video !
Would be pretty sick if the watchers have been teleporting him all over the galaxy for the last 10k years to hunt massive monsters before teleporting him back and putting him back to sleep
So he would also become a Meme in a way?
The watchers are waking him up to slay another monster, Lion gets off his throne like Spongebog "Allright...Imma head out."
No …. Sleeping beauty arch is better
That would explain why he “aged” so much compared to Rowboat
Ahh, Lion El Johnson in the flesh, or rather in the power armour. I took the liberty of relieving you of your weapons, most of which is Imperium property but as for the shield... I think you've earned it.
Please stop
I like that GW seems to be giving the 40k DA a more knightly vibe. In 30k they never felt like knights of any sort; they felt like Death Guard. They didn’t have anything in the way of a code of ethics or honor; they were exterminators. And in 40k they are kind of a meme due to the Fallen. They need an image/identity overhaul.
I hope Zahariel comes back. He was one of the most interesting characters of all the books I've read. Literally everything you said about The Lion being a random traveller helping people kill daemons and felspawn would be so much better applied to Zahariel, since he made a pact with the Watchers in the Dark and they'd be able to unlock that power in him because he's a powerful psyker.
Maybe thats how the Lion travels.
I like to think that maybe the Lion inherited Erda's power which was on the nature side
Whether through the supernatural assistance of the Watchers or through the Lions own psychic potential, the forest wreathed passages sound like a psychic manifestation of the forests of Old Caliban before it was destroyed. The same forests the Lion wandered both as a lost child and a sworn knight, with only a focus to survive another day and destroy the monsters that lurked within them. He carries those memories so intensely, especially after Caliban’s destruction, that it melded with his singular nature to seek out the Imperiums enemies, manifesting as a psychic ability.
Maybe Caliban itself was an extension of the warp creeping into realspace?
Azreal: "Brothers, glorious news! Reports suggest that our father has returned!"
The Lion steps out of the shadows: "Yes, I have been around for a while."
The Lion has been chilling with Kaldor Draigo for centuries, throwing huge parties, and getting wasted. The two of them built a house made of demon bones, and coming soon to Warhammer + is a new buddy comedy set in the warp, showing what an odd couple these 2 really are.
"One and a Half Knight"
Hey, Lion, you ever eaten a tangerine?
i imagine he`s being hand holded by those little darklings. They seem like they`d know their way around the warp.
I just hope his humility from the end of his time during the Heresy is maintained as it made him one of the most human characters. Not only did he do a 180 on his views of those who fell but he even forgave someone who was straight up becoming a deamon. The new book looks like it's keeping it but, GW has fumbled harder before.
On equipment, while we don’t have stats yet, he does have a holstered gun.
that looks extremly like his old fusilade. Wich is a very weierd one (an Assault 2 Plasma Gun, that counts for special rules as a bolter and a plasma gun... oh and looks like a pistol ^^)
Sword named Fealty 🤔, maybe hinting he can redeem the fallen, uses it to knight a fallen son making him loyal again?
About Cypher: What if he's a Daemon of the Imperium like Celestine or the Sanguinor but specifically for the Dark Angels, Fallen and Non-Fallen ones. So he works for bpth sides depending on which part of the willl of the DA he currently represents, destroy the Imperium or save it. Would also explain how he could always escape, is still alive, suddenly appears etc.
But tbh no way. Like there would be more signs that he's not just a marine.
Read the lore of the dark angels more please...a good portion of the dark angels have a camouflaging ability and a warp suppressing ability to remain undetected passed on through their geneseed directly from the lion himself...
That being said, considering the emperor is actually the dark king and the 5th chaos God, every single space marine and primarch is a daemon of the emperor, so you aren't wrong persay
It's omegon, he's like the 47 of wh40k, he wears people's identities to get around and set things up
we have known that all the Primarchs have had hidden powers for a long time its nice that they are finally showing us.
the question is what to do whit Cipher
Primarchs are baptised in the warp. Maybe Cypher is Omegon or another Alpha legionary?
in the jungle, the warp-tied jungle, the lion sle...
The forest walk is interesting, the idea that I think it’s trying to express is that a part of Lion never left the dark savage forest where he was found, and that part if him brings it with him where ever he goes, the effects of the warp manifesting that part of his psyche whenever he stalks his prey.
I low-key hope we get rules to run The Fallen as their own army soon. Even if it's just in a White Dwarf or mini-digital Codex
Something tells me they did this just so that people with the Cypher model actually have a real faction to use him in.
If GW are gonna take The Dark Angels in a more "knightly" direction,then I'm not really complaining. It not only sounds interesting but could lead to some interesting looking DA exclusive models
God knows their Primaris upgrade sprues are lamey-samey.
I believe that the ability to walk/jump through the warp is neither imperial tech nor his new, never before discussed skill, but of the watchers in the dark.
They have always been able to appear and disappear from and to nowwhere and brought the Lion to a chamber in the Rock, that is acutally unaccessabil. Makes total sense, that they do it by some warp-trickery and that they ofer it to the lion. Either by going with him and opening it up for him (they are on his base after all) or by giving him some artefact or maybe teaching him...
Teleporting by walking through forests reminds me a lot of the Silfen from Peter F Hamilton's scifi Commonwealth book series. They were a highly advanced race that had no visible technology but all of their worlds were seamlessly linked through forests. Many were lost by wandering through them only to end up on other worlds.
As always thank you so much for the informative video, it was so interesting to hear about the Lion's lore, looking forward to read the new book about him.
it's impossible to not like a well made power point presentation. :-)
All primarchs are psychic to some extent. I like the idea the lion "walks" into the warp in the form of a dark forist.
Makes him feel like a terrifying ambush predator.
And walks out to give his foes a taste of birch.
@@TruculentSheep birch slap
@@Liethen Akhorne the Bloodbowl Squirrel approves!
I like the green knight element they dashed into his king Arthur aspect. Seems pretty clear to me his forest walk ability is warpbased. They always said Caliban had a life of its own. The lore in 30k really made it feel like a character all it's own that the DA both loved it and knew that it was incredibly deadly and not exactly their friend.
I think part of the soul of Caliban bled itself into the Lion during its destruction and his duel with Luther. Plenty of swirling energies and warp saturation to justify this. Now caliban lives on inside him.
Maybe Caliban itself is an earlier model of the webway, created by the Old Ones? Or maybe Caliban was a hybrid outgrowth of the Warp itself?
Those *Warp Jump/Forrest Walk* abilities are not inherent to the Lion.
It's the Watchers doing that for him! That's why you see two of them on his latest model following him around.
Would be my safest bet. Pretty sure that's the explanation we're going to get.
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Someone made the joke about The Lion having the "forestwalk" ability. I thought that was pretty funny 😅
Am I missing a reference here? It's not really a joke. The ability is called Forestwalk. It was previewed in a WarCom article.
Forestwalk "During deployment, you can set up this model on shadowed paths instead of setting it up on the battlefield." Yada yada, reinforcements.
@@jordanjack4629 Magic the Gathering joke
@@jordanjack4629 Forest walk is a pretty well known magic the gathering card ability. I assume it was something to do with that.
@@captainflapjax7240 I didn't even realize that ability was specifically named. I always just called it Landwalk. I also didn't think that was used anymore.
@@jordanjack4629 It generally isn't in contemporary releases. In sets made for older formats, or specific cards that have a history it can be printed.
At least now we know how Cypher was able to escape every prison he's ever been put in.
Forest Walk sounds better on paper than it is in play. After all, it requires your opponent to control a forest to make him unblockable. 😂
There is a quote in The eye of terra novel that said something along the lines of 'each navigator perceives the warp differently as their fragile mind tries to make sense of the un-physics.' Clearly the lion has achieved this and his mind uses the forests of Caliban where he survived before being taken in by Luther in his adulthood to navigate the warp. The book goes further to note that only a navigator or a demon can navigate the warp, it's possible that the lion is managed to tap into the powers of the warp entity used to create his soul.
About time they tapped into the whole “the primarchs souls are made of the warp itself” thing.
Didn't the Dark Angels find a device during the Great Crusade that enables instant teleportation anywhere in the galaxy?
The Tuchulca Engine I believe it was called. It's some kind of ancient sentient device, The Lion discovered it during the Heresy and managed to stop Typhon of the Death Guard from getting it. It's theorised to be some kind of Warp entity.
The Lion had extensive conversations with the device after he retrieved it, he even confided in it more than anything or anyone else. After the Heresy it became embedded within the rock.
It's part of a triumvirate of similar sentient devices all capable of extremely efficient and accurate Warp jumps. When combine together they can even allow travel through time.
The Dark Angels eventually found the other two and had all three but Ezekiel convinced Azrael it was not worth the risk trying to alter time and history just to stop The Fallen. So Azrael destroyed the other two devices.
@@BM-wf9uf or just said he destroyed it...
@@BM-wf9uf Ah, so the classic 40K story of thing exist that could change the status quo, but then it didn't for some reason.
@@LupusGr3y Yeah, Azrael and Ezekiel didn't know for sure what would happen if they combined them. So it was a good decision from both a lore and plot point of view.
@@dominik36127Confirmed destroyed.
Lots of Green Knight/Green Man (even Merlin) associations with him traveling with the haste of water, drawing nature in his wake.
Native UK druid lore, mix between Welsh, Irish and Scottish lore
Did the lion go to Molech like the emperor and Horus? Got powerful and old by doing a warp training montage
Fulgrim takes a sniper round through the eye that unraveled in his brain, he healed in minutes. They make the Lion sleep 10,000 years. For that amount of time Ferrus could have grown back his head.
That's why going in depth about the primarchs was one of the stupidest ideas GW had for the lore of 40k. It was much better when they were just these mythological figures whose powers and deeds were likely just legends made up by the Ecclisiarchy.
I like the theory that the Lion has been dreaming about being active and that the Watchers essentially allowed him to astrally project to do stuff. This is gonna be him getting up fully to wage war at full power. The side effect of the Watchers shenanigans being Forestwalk
Fealty could actually be evidence that cypher has made his way back to dear ol' dad. Fealty being the oath made to demonstrate allegiance to a lord. Could be a replacement or a re-forged lion sword (though th hilt is markedly different, renamed and gifted to demonstrate his loyalty.
The watchers probably help explain the forestwalk thing.
There was a short story about DA getting info from one of the captured Fallen about a sword hidden away. DA dispatched a task force to get it by all means necessary just to find out it's the Luther's sword.
Is that Black Pearl?
@@newtpondskipper Indeed.
I hope it is like Narnia and he goes through a magic wardrobe with mr Thomas.
It makes sense for the Lion to have a new sword. The Lion Sword carried by Cypher is shattered. Guilliman broke it over his knee in 'The Unremembered Empire' after he used extreme measures to hunt down Kurze on Macragge (leading to the deaths of civilians).
That's why the heresy model for him has two swords. You can use the Lion Sword if representing him before Macragge. Otherwise you can use the giant chainsword that he also comes with.
In (one version of) Arthurian legend the witch Morrgan le Fay transformed a knight of Arthur's court into the Green Knight. I wonder if there might analogously also be some external character influence that can explain his new unusual warp power. That aside given these obvious allusions to the Arthurian Green knight and coupled with Dark Angels traditional role in the lore in general I would be surprised if he doesn't remain much more removed from the Imperium in narrative terms than Guilliman.
I hope that he takes an active role in the imperium from here on out. Would hate to see him become another legion of the damned or Marneus Calgar, appearing just in time to save the day before disappearing again. Was looking forward to seeing a bit if a power struggle with Guilliman similar to what happened on Ultramar during the Heresey.
Would be pretty funny if he took over wardship of imperium nihilus and renamed it imperium secundus just to troll Guilliman.
You never read the heresy books did you. They made up right before they split ways and see each other from their perspective. If anything lion and guilleman will have a stronger bond now that they are the only primarchs around
@@chrissjduebochsjd3120 "You never read the heresy books did you."
Who would read them? They kinda suck and read like glorified fanfiction.
i recall there being a story where an interrogator chaplain found Luthor's sword on an exodite world of all things.
NGL the warp travel thing and the BAs finding that empty Ark is pretty sick. Same goes that he's been awake, gives us a different way of the "waking of a Primarch" as well. It was one big shock for Guilliman, who woke up with enemies right in front of him. So they could write the Lion's discovery of how much worse the Imperium is 10'000 years later step by step and slowly over many years between him waking up in Nihilus and the Arks of Omen story line.
Also the thing about Big E's shield, honestly I could see them writing it in the Scouring series that every loyalist Primarch or at least some find or take or get a specific artifact that was made by Big E, maybe some kind of farewell thing by Big E himself even where he told Valdor who inherits what and so the Lion takes a shield home to Caliban
Lion's always been humble. That was the point of his Primarch novel. He doesn't feed off of glory like his brothers. He's the only Primarch who does it for the sake of duty alone. Regarding his warp walking, I'm willing to bet that the Orobourus cursed him like Mkar did with Draigo and it's finally wearing off. Plus remember that the Dreadwing Protocols gave Lion exclusive access to archeotech that surpassed anything the other legions had access to. It's likely he's just using what he had but never used unless absolutely necessary. Say the Fall of Caliban and fighting warp entities? I'm looking forward to it. Siege of Terra has been a disaster but the progression of 40k has been decent so far.
So he's becoming a warp entity as well? That sounds like psychic phenomena
Could be an effect of the watchers.
I mean every primarch is a warp entity, corvus corax has bird powers, alpharius omegon can hide themselves and guilman likes doing math
There are also the Sanguinor and the Adorbador, warp… Things… formed from the worship and adoration of Sanguinius and Rogal Dorn respectively.
@@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire the hells the adorbador?
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Sorry, i misspelled it… But it’s The Adorbidor:
He comes in your hab-blocks when you sleep and fixes your walls.
I'm thinking along the lines of Caliban being known to be forested, and also known to be warp tainted. Given the Lion slept in the last fragment of Caliban for millenia, then there's the start for the forest thing being derived from Caliban itself.
Gilles le Breton has returned!
Praise the Lady!
What if Cypher is El'Jonson's soul/mind that was separated and has been acting independently, and the thing he's supposed to unlock is more rejoining with his body to fully restore himself?
the horus heresy bookseries is a thing
@@ashardalondragnipurake Hm?
I don't know too much about it, just thought it would be an interesting angle. I have no idea who Cypher is or what he's actually on about/goal is. But him being a portion of someone's psyche in a separate form could explain some things...but I don't know, it was just a thought.
How would that happen?
I believe there is a theory that part of Jonson's soul is in The Lionsword.
Cypher is absolutely not an entity of Jonson. He is his own individual self. As to who exactly and what he may be is up in the air.
Although I think in Eye of Ezekiel it was confirmed that Cypher has been acting orders get ven directly from The Lion...
Just fyi, it's borne by the Primarch. It's the past tense of bear.
Honestly it sounds like they are turning him into the Green Knight from Aurthorian legend. At least partially
So the Lion´s appearance could some worlds let freak out. Imagine living on a hive or forge world and then suddenly a forest appears out of nowhere.
But I like the idea to gather fallen knights, maybe a few fallen will be redeemed by him?
I hope so, I've always liked the idea of Loyalist Fallen. Those who were of Caliban but weren't convinced by Luther's speeches. I've even been working on a story about one such Fallen trying to disable the gubs firing on the Dark Angels fleet.
I wonder if he's just using webway gates to jump around to "forest" planets
Mad guess for the forest travel thing: When Caliban was destroyed, shards of it were scattered throughout the Warp and Johnson can travel across them like his own personal webway
Maybe Caliban itself was a sort of natural webway, or an extension or adaptation of the warp itself?
@@jasonusborne8629 it was almost certainly somewhat touched by chaos. The Great Beasts were theorised to have developed under the influence of chaos as Caliban was close to the eye
It doesn't *not* make sense, although possibly I'm reaching a bit
The forest warp magic could be that he has access to a specific Web-wayesque part of the Warp that resembles Terran flora and happens to leave behind a mark of that part or the Warp whenever he enters/exits it
Auspex Tactics, the only person in the world to audibly pronounce line breaks.
The Lion sword - that was broken by Roboute - was rebuild on Holguin's orders even before the Sanginus departed for earth, yet the Lion didn't want to use it and took his Wolf Sword (nothing to do with Russ). So I'm interested to see if the Lion actually used it in the fight with Luther or how else it ended up there.
It is also said in Cypher: Lord of the Fallen that the sword is actually a key for a door. Chances are its not meant to be wielded by the Lion maybe just to set him free... or who knows? Maybe it unlocks what Vasthorr was after (he was looking for keys).
So the Lion knows the Elvenpath? Amusing on so many levels. Edit: I think the sword might be Luthor's blade, the name would be fitting enough.
Marbas didn't free Luther, someone deactivated his stasis and left the door open for him. This implied to me that the watchers did it, as Luther left with purpose.
This version is from Luther's book, but wasn't it stated in the Dark Angels codex that force was obviously used as Azrael stands there and inspects the door of the cell. Luther just being set free appears to me to be part of his own delusions... at least its hinted at.
@@erih2934 oh maybe, Its been awhile since the codex was released that I've read through that. I'll have to thumb through and reread it.
@@malakye7459 I'm not certain myself where the Azrael part is written. I've only seen it online and I think it referenced the 7th or 8th edition Dark Angels codex. Sorry, I wish I could give you a better source information.
@@erih2934 its next to Azraels lore entry in the 9th edition codex, he's looking at the doors mangled, blackened, and warped. Unsure if it was done from inside or out. All the wards and protective runes stripped etc. So he thinks either Marbas, some other demon or Luther himself could have played up his condition.
@@malakye7459 Thanks XD Gosh, its actually the one codex I do have at home😅
A custodes told him simply, "wait"
There will be a point where the Emperor must shed his physical form to truly Ascend. That time is not yet, 40k makes too much money to have its lore blasted into oblivion like my true beloved, Old World fantasy...
Averland forever!
What do you mean? Large parts of the lore have already been done away with.
Take one of the primary points of the lore: Space Marine power armour. For years, it was considered hard to reproduce, each existing suit was either cobbled together from several suits or was considered a relic of the chapter. Nowadays, it's considered routine to just replace damaged Mk10 parts with new stock. Indeed, Mk10 and Gravis are simply snap-on jobs over Phobos armour.
Then there's the Primaris themselves. For decades, Marines were considered so rare that there's meant to be about a million of them and all of a sudden, there's at least that many super-duper Marines just lying around in storage? Yes, it's been a while but the whole concept of Primaris marines was poorly implemented and poorly written.
The Lion's fluff seems to be just as poorly written and incongruent with the setting as the rest of Imperial lore since 8th Ed.
@@newtpondskipper A man of culture!
@Daniel Kirk I see your point, but that's more of a retcon. Not even close to what they did to my poor Old World.
They are making Lion into space Green Knight? XD Can't wait for a story about how he got his new sword from being from the lake.
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords... ^^
@@brothereldrian9913 to keep it in 40k - what if he got sword from Exodite Eldar Farseer (from lake) xp
Always has been
Lion was the last past thousand years in his secret gym room on the rock training everyday
Almost wondering if he's actually still asleep and just like, astral projecting through the warp or the like.
"Hey emps, I'm here to fix the god couch"
*I'm fine, just sitting here chilling for another few years.*
"Oh...okay."
The lion sword is dark age of technology tech and is probably one of the keys abbaddon is looking for. its just a question if the lion gets to cypher first as the key may unlock more than one thing
Azrael's sword is also a key. To the prison of Luther to be exact. Also in Master of Sanctity our favourite psychopath has a nervous breakdown, when grabbing the hilt of the sword Cypher carries about. He seems to be confronted with the memories of it's former bearer. So perhaps Lion el Johnson was/is suffering from amnesia until he gets it back? Time will tell.
This is a small but important point.
It wasn't any "1/2 of the legion".
It was 20,000 astartes, then subtract the number that died in the legion's bombardment and invasion.
The legion was well over 100k, yes, they took losses, but seriously.
The 1st Legion was purging Caliban and the defense platforms.
The Calibanite astartes fled from Corswain's onslaught, which means that they could not practically maintain a defense. . . which means big casualty differentials.
For Cypher it can't be Luthors sword as the DA's found that on a Eldar maiden world. They sent the 4th company and a DW detachment to get it thinking it was the Lions sword. It was a great little story. I really dug it.
With the return of Warhammer old world and bretonnia, he is basically the 40k equivalent of the green knight.
Putting in my guess at what's up with the Lion, I think he is the 'Key' Abby and Vrashtorr are after. An Imperial civil war would be the best thing for Chaos and after The Forgotten Empire it wouldn't take much evidence to paint GMan in the light of a usurper.
For evidence, I think the rock that makes Abby laugh in the first book of omen was showing Gman as an emperor.
I need that artwork as a print of some sort. It's amazing.
Maybe it's because I'm a filthy xenos player. The Lion coming back is cool and all but I'm more interested in a 1v1 between Angron and Ghazghul.
Ghazghkull is still sulking because Yarrick died.
Man i hope to see some of that good fallen miniatures i want to build a diverse DA army with equal death/raven/green wing parts and perspective of having fourth, fallenwing would be so cool
Can’t wait for more information!
Still wierd how he can run through a warp jungle without a gellar field and just appear where he needs to go
With him supposedly going around recruiting fallen, maybe we'll get a Dark Angels civil war
Has Decius the new prophet of the eighth legion showed up yet? They still want payback from the Thramas crusade. lol
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The forest walk has got to be Tuchulcha reference, and he's just mastered the use if the artifacts ability so he doesn't even need a ship to travel trans-dimensionally...
I look forward to getting fallen upgrades in 40 years
Would be cool if the Lion woke up and just started wandering, stood up and just walked away into nothingness, traveling through the warp wordlessly from fight to fight, cutting down monsters before turning down a forest path and appearing at the next. Probably wouldn’t be permanent but if that’s how he returns till someone snaps him out of it I wouldn’t complain
The Lion materialises out of the warp woods, only to see Mkvenner silently waiting for him.
Thanks Auspex
Would love to see Corvus Corax come back, as a form of loyalist Raven demon prince. Could be the next pair of primarchs to get new models if he came back with Lorgar.
If he's gathering a whole bunch of fallen knights then he's not as unforgiving as we thought
Yep, just more of thise nu40k nonsense that's all about "subverting expectations" because apparently that's the only literary device modern writers know how to use.
His foresty warp travel will definitely be down to the Watchers. They'll be the ones using...botonancy? And f-ing up chaos on that Ark Dante found
He spent about 10k years with them, could be he himself changed in that time and developed the ability due to constant exposure or machinations of the watchers. But otherwise I agree, it must be related to the watchers in some was or another.