Remember Avi knew what he was signing up for when he decided to stay with Ptx after winning the sing off. It’s not like they gave him a bunch of solo stuff and then limited him. Ptx deserves no blame for keeping him in a box. It was his role in the group. Avi just decided he needed more than being a bass singer and wanted to do a different style of music than Ptx did and does. I agree they’re both better off now.
I agree. And Scott worked on his bass singing for them to be able to give Avi more room and give them more flexibility in arranging. But there is only so much a 20-ish Scott could do to cover that part for Avi. The simple truth is that Avi didn't sing bass because he wasn't spotlight worthy. He sang the bass because noone else could. Same reason Kevin rarely sings lead. Nowdays they've worked (and aged) in to having more switchable skills. So Matt can pick up a bit of basic beat boxing to give Kevin a moment, or Scott can pick up a bit of bass for Matt (and for Avi in the later years). But when they need the BEST, and not just someone holding the part down, they are going to use Avi/Kevin/Matt. People don't get mad at a band for not giving the drummer a guitar solo, even if the drummer might also be good at guitar. And with the pop/electro sound ptx always have said they were going for, a bass would always be more needed in the instrumental (where the bass usually is in that type of music) and not in the leads (that usually are more baritone and up in pop). I agree with you that Avi knew what he signed up for, and then life and he changed, and he changed his mind. Hardly the first person to change their job or life a bit.
It's also like "whatever" to pretend that PTX has gone really far out of their way to give Matt more solos than they did for Avi, which people seem to pretend is the case. Matt's now been in Pentatonix almost as long as Avi was. Matt has sung ONE lead, Avi had SIX. And for solos in ensemble songs Avi had 29 to Matt's 38. And don't ever forget that Avi was extremely present in arrangements... it isn't like PTX was just doing something to him without his input and direction.
I think saying he 'knew what he ws getting into' is a bit much. The band had existed for a barely a few months at that time and was still developing their style and skills. It could have gone differently than it ended up going.
@@NilZed1 i meant it as he knew his role was the bass singer. As holding down the bass line for most songs. And then sometimes providing the bass harmony when the bass line wasn't needed and he was singing lyrics. He knew he was half of the rhythm section and he loved all the praise he got for it on the sing off. After so many years I guess he needed more. He could have easily done a side project like all the others have done if he wasn't being fulfilled completely. Seemed like he really wanted the spotlight and to be in full control. I just can't stand when people make it out to be ptx's fault that he left. They didn't change as a group. He changed as a member.
I think Matt is perfect for PTX now. He fits the adventurous, experimental Mitch songs and the warm/silly/pop modern covers. Avi was perfect for the trial and error growth of a cappella into what it is now. Being "dad" to a herd of 19 year olds, as a kid himself. The stress of non stop traveling, his mom's illness and probably the beginning of his developing musical individuallity all converged. The decision was right for both groups. I'm sure the separation was hurtful and hard for all parties, but growth spurts hurt. Now we have amazing artists whose creativity is unconstrained. As someone commented, a cappella is a style not a religion! Get over the blinked idea that only one is best. Thanks Saucey for being frank,open and funny.
I agree with your entire Avi rant. These kids were literally working non-stop for years after the sing off. Recording while on tour overseas, concerts, public & TV appearances, etc. all while writing and creating new music. I think in those early years they never turned down an opportunity to be heard. Personally I don’t think I could’ve sustained that kind of schedule and I totally get why Avi had to bow out for his own well-being. Will always love him and his beautiful voice and I’ll always love Matt for coming into fill some huge shoes and doing it with grace and staying true to who he is. He didn’t try to be Avi 2.0. There are things Matt brings to the table that Avi wouldn’t have been able to do and vice-versa but everyone’s goal was always to serve the music. This group is special for so many reasons. 🥰
Yes, Avi said he wanted to do that for the rest of his life. But in the PTXperience videos he lamented more than once about being gone and on the road all the time, and straight up complained that, "Days off used to be days off, but not now. We don't have days off anymore, we're recording or writing or arranging." That was the foreshadowing writing on the wall that Avi would be the first to leave the group. Really good singers and musicians are a dime a dozen. What sets the successful and famous ones apart isn't just the luck of getting their big break, it's being able to handle everything that comes with it. It's not only the sacrifices that Sarah Bareilles talked about on The Sing Off, it's missing family, it's no days off, it's living out of a suitcase and sleeping on a bus or a different hotel every night, it's being on-stage 24/7, it's a lifestyle that you can handle or you can't. Kirstie nearly washed out, you can see it in her early blog posts. She had a confidence problem, and it affected her health. But she figured it out and overcame. The notion that Avi and Scott butted heads or the group wanted to lock Avi in a Bass Box is just silly. None of those people have that kind of personality. You can see how true that it by watching the PTXperience and BTS videos. Avi started off as an opera singer, then made enough money with Pentatonix that allowed him to be a folk singer. It's a lifestyle that suits him better.
Those of us who love Avi and love Matt agree with you. Avi needed his time and to spread his wings and the joy he continues to bring us is breathtaking. Matt is pure happiness and even though he is different his contributions are wonderful and PTX is continuing to make outstanding and unbelievable music. The talent is pure and awesome all the way around. Also agree with Mitch's looks! Not thrilled with the mustache, but when you are that talented, you do you Mitch!! Loved the mullet and the shaved head and hair to the side. Love being in the Saucey Fam and your reactions!! Thanks for all you do!
Well, there are a few things to say. First of all and most important, Mitch's hair, lol: We have the exact same favorite looks, and we could both really do without the mustache, but I won't disrespect the stache considering whose face it's on, lol. I don't disagree with you about Avi, or about the relative better-offness of everyone involved, but there were options. If they were all locked into PTX, none of them would be completely fulfilled as artists, as amazing as it must be to be a part of that insane group producing the jaw-dropping music they create. That is why we have Superfruit, Scott's collabs, Messer, Kirstie's "Love," and Kevin's "Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood." Avi could have done his solo work, too. That being said, the pace he would have had to race at to do both things is counter to his wellbeing, so I believe he made the right choice. I have to believe it gives him a twinge seeing PTX continue without him, but in a nostalgic and what-if sort of way, like seeing an old flame, right? He definitely didn't hate being part of that group, he loved it. His soul needed something different, that is all. Leaving didn't hurt PTX, except emotionally. Matt's sound is lovely, if different, and fits in perfectly, plus he is a beautiful souled young man, like Avi, but in his own way. Not to disrespect the enormous contribution made by the bass even when they are not singing or soloing, but Avi leaving, as painful as it was, was not insurmountable. The sound of the group changed noticeably but they were still recognizable as PTX. Mitch, Kirstie, or Scott leaving would have changed the sound beyond recognition and Pentatonix would be something completely other than Pentatonix, that is just how the roles fall out. Kevin MIGHT be able to be replaced with another beatboxer, but he or she wouldn't be Kevin, just like Matt isn't Avi. It would be a concussive blow. I hope that never happens. They were lucky to find a beautiful souled artist to replace a beautiful souled artist. Kevin is musically the beating heart of PTX and his gorgeous energy, intelligence, creativity, and soul are integral, it's hard to imagine they could be so lucky a second time. A lot of people are capable of executing great technique, but Pentatonix runs just as much on heart energy that is uniquely theirs, because they are their own sincerely good and loving selves, as people and as individual artists. You can feel it in every song and performance. None of the six of them are replaceable at this point. None of them.
Lol at the fav hairstyle. 😆 I think Avi is much happier doing what he is doing now. I’m so glad they found Matt. He was such a great addition. Not a substitute!
Thank you for this. I think your comments are very timely. It was hard to have this discussion for a long time, but I am so grateful a lot of people now see that the way it all played out was for the best for all of them. Life evolves. I think we have to give credit to all of them for the way they handled the transition and continued to develop and enjoy what they are doing.
Added note. You can see that Avi was having great fun in these videos. It think it was later that the intense grinding schedule took its final toll on him.
Avi was tearfully grateful for his PTX exposure. He said it on the Sing Off that he wanted to be a part of their family for the rest of his life. He was totally into doing what he was doing with PTX. I don't think any PTX member kept Avi down, in a certain place. Once he became discontented with playing that role, he left when he should have. PTX is his roots. My taste doesn't care for Avi's genre of music. I appreciate what he is doing, but I don't really connect with it. I liked playful Avi, this genre of music he is doing just isn't fun loving for me. It kind of brings me down. I am a fan of uplifting music so it's not for me. I'm happy for him, though. Thank you for reacting to this video!
I kind of agree about Avi's present music. I love his voice and I listen occasionally because of this, but his kind of song does nothing for me. But I'm so glad he's doing what he wants to do and he still has quite a following. I wish him much success. I love Matt he brings his own kind of magic to the group.
Isn't it interesting, how the same music is uplifting for some, and not at all for others? :)) I can totally understand you, tho I'm on the otherside (pun intended) regarding Avi's music, it totally gets me through stuff Many of the more popular happy and/or vocal acrobat songs just overload my nerves & makes me nervous even tho I aknowledge the skills & talent
@@livus3787 isn't it good that we're all different? My musical tastes are many wide and varied, but don't extend to folk or country. I'm a 65 year old great grandmother. I still listen to punk music, Gary Numan is a hero of mine, but I love new stuff too. Pentatonix of course, but Jason Derulo, Drake, Muse, all sorts. Music is the best thing there is, and it's all interesting even if not to your taste. Enjoy!!
Thank you, sommers, for saying that about Avi’s style of music kinda bringing you down. I took heat for another comment I made about it, but even tho I appreciate the songwriting talent and singing skill it just doesn’t do it for me.
I agree with everything you said. my only caveat would be that I don't believe that Avi was unhappy being a bass, since that's why he joined PTX. in fact in many clips, he just seems to be grooving and enjoying himself. neither PTX nor Avi would be where they are without the other and I think both parties recognize that. anyway, it's not as if anybody in PTX forced Avi to do anything and I think he left at the right time when he realized that he was no longer doing what made him happy. now both PTX and Avi are thriving and I'm happy for everyone. ❤️
Life's a journey not a destination, I was initially sad when Avi left PTX but now I'm incredibly happy for him doing what makes him happy. PTX wouldn't have got where they are without Avi and Avi wouldn't be the solo success he is now without the PTX exposure, so. . . it all worked out.
This! Some people joins us on the journey for a while and then continue on their own. Some we cross paths with for just one time, others come back. Some join us on the same journey. Doesn't mean one journey is better or more worth than another, doesn't mean that the part you walk together is less meaningful because it ends.
I agree with what you said about Avi and PTX. They both needed each other. My trepidation when he left was that the flavor he brought, with his classical background, would be lost. Example, things like the intro to "Aha" at the Star Vista. That was pure Avi. One of the early Matt things I heard was a live "Hallelujah", where he changed his solo part. I know he was trying to break out from under the Avi shadow, but I found it a little cringey. Since then, he has found his stride and is a great addition to the group....tho I still don't care for what he does to "Hallelujah". As I have said before, egos have no place in this group. They do what is best for a song. Scott wrote "Light in the Hallway" for his newborn nephew and insisted that Avi sing it. I am happy for Avi, I am happy for PTX and I am happy we have them both. I wish the whole Avi vs Matt would just die a quiet death.
I don't know that there is a Matt vs Avi in the vast majority of the fandom, really. I just think people are aware of the differences between the two artists. I miss what Avi brought to PTX, that deep, rich, very pervasive bass sound. But, I celebrate what Matt brings to PTX just as much, his energy, his whole heart, and his talent. So, for me, there is no Avi vs Matt. Just a difference of talent pools, equal in their own way, but different and unique.
If Avi had never been in PTX I would never would of heard of him. I became a fan of his as PTX and because of that I went and listened to his new stuff.
I agree with you. Everyone is better off. I know this will also be unpopular, but honestly, if anyone could have left the original PTX lineup and not really changed how they sound…..I’m glad it was Avi and not a different member. Pentatonix could never replace Scott, Mitch, Kirstie or even Kevin without losing the chemistry that they have. I hate to say it, but meat and potatoes was easily recreated with Matt, it might be even better. Obviously my opinion. Probably unpopular, but oh well. Avi lovers have his soulful folk music and PTX has their happy joyful thing. Everyone wins.
I disagree, Vantreknerd. Not that everyone is better off, that's demonstratable. But, I disagree that anyone else in the group wasn't as replaceable as Avi was. Scott could have been replaced by BJC, Mitch could be replaced by Sam Tsui, Kirsty could be replaced by a number of very talented people, and the sound wouldn't have change all that much. The chemistry would've been different, but it was after Avi left, too. I'm not saying it wasn't the right decision all around for Avi to leave. I'm simply pointing out that he was no more, or less, replaceable than anyone else in the group. That, of course, is my opinion. I'm not going to say that yours is wrong, just that I disagree with it. *shrugs* To each their own.
@@Tark-qs4mu 100% entitled to your opinion. I guess it is impossible to say what PTX would be if the other members were switched out with someone else. The only replacement that happened was Avi and I really didn't notice that drastic of a difference in their sound (I was really worried that they would would disband and am thankful that they continued, and still do old and new music) I know there is a huge camp of people who don't support PTX now that Avi is gone and that fine. For me, there would be no PTX without the Trio, but again, it's all speculation as the transition could be as seamless and positive and the Avi/Matt one.
There is only one meat and potatoes that's why they're still friends. Now if you want meat to go with something else make it a biscuit or some coleslaw or something but there's only one meat and potatoes. FACT!!!!!
@@renatathompson3530 I’ve already watched this awhile ago but here I am again reading through the comments. With Matt’s sweet silly nature and personality I’ve always said they should be called meat and sweet potatoes. Similar to Avi but not at all the same. Just like their bass singing.
I love Avi but that is kinda what happens when you are a bass…. You have to be a bass. It’s like Kevin doesn’t want to beatbox any more and wants to mainly sing. Then there would be no beatboxer. And that’s not how the group works cause there a A cappella group they have to stay in there lanes. That is why they all do solo stuff and they will try to show case them as much as possible.
I was wondering if anyone other than me saw Avi as I do. Yes, he needed PTX and PTX needed him. I was heartbroken when he left. As soon as I heard "Change on the rise", it clicked. Avi is still on his true path. I'm thankful he can share his work with us. Thank you for verifying what I felt also. Still loving your reactions.
It was a great experience for Pentatonix and Avi, but it would have killed him to stay. I'm actually amazed he stayed as long as he did, knowing what it was doing to him. I love both Pentatonix and Avi and the insanely great art they've been creating.
PTX has always maintained that each member can do their solo or other music as long as PTX was the main focus. When that contract was pulled and they had to create their own path…they set out on a hard path of tons of work and lots of taking any gig possible. They just never slowed down enough for him to do what he wanted to the degree he wanted. His sister was their tour manager….it was a lot.
He wasn’t limited to “that”. He had lots of solo parts. Plus he amassed a lot of money and an audience fan base to support his solo career. I also agree that they are all better now.
In my view, all 6 of them were in the right place then and are in the right place now. Kirstin, Scott, Mitch, and Kevin all wear glasses. They usually don't wear them onstage or in official videos but there are plenty of videos where one of the four is wearing them.
What you are saying is what it is; Past experiences have led Avi on that road to become the artist at where he is today and however one feels about it is in the eye and heart of the beholder's nostalgic 20\20 vision. Avi is a true one of a kind soul doing what he loves most. It's just that the original "trio" have had such a strong bond with one another and KO's personality fit in with their type of silly personalities that differed from Avi's more somber one. I agree that once the separation took place, it worked out for both sides once Matt came to be the new member and Avi went on with his solo career. Fans will be fans and we all are getting some fantastic music to listen to as a result. 👍
Avi left due to the need to spend time with his family and with his mother’s who had received a cancer diagnosis. As far as I have heard he was happy in his position with ptx with the exception of the touring schedule keeping him away from home.
With his burnout and not being built for that tempo, his role and the style of music they do was probably part of his consideration. Not in a "I need the spotlight" way, more in the fact that he couldn't fill all of his creativity in the group (and being a bass would be part of that). The others do their own projects on the side to fulfill those parts but in Avis case he was stressed and stretched thin as it was, so adding his own passion projects on top of that was not doable.
@@hernameispekka_RebeccaI agree with that as well. On a couple of his live chats he mentions the feeling of homecoming returning to his roots vs the hectic vagabond life PTX lead too. It was a wild ride for them all.
I totally agree with you on everything you talked about regarding Avi, I would add you can see where he DID really enjoyed the heck out of the bass-beats, base 'dumm-dumm'ing, their beginnings, he can't stop grooving 😁 later it's almost totally gone (around the era his beard starts to get longer x) ) also it's not just the different souls & styles (not better or worst, just diff. directions!) of these people but the social batteries.. they were promoting and going here & there outside or WHILE touring.. Kev eg. can do a hundred other things beside PTX (but he's an alien as we knew x) ), some can not. Then of course you choose to spend your energy on something closer to your heart. (I can sooo relate to that tho, sure on a much smaller scale, but I also left a job I anyway enjoyed coz was too busy & risked my health, but it was also hard to do so)
Right, it's just not fair why can't I look that good and sound that good God blesses them with all the talent but that's what they're here for. We all have our special gifts that we need to pursue and yes you must appreciate other people's talents! Love your reactions I'm only seconds in....
Not everyone is meant to be a Soloist. Some do very well being part of a group. Avi does both and is successful in both areas. Also relationships always fizzle out or get weeded down, but those that were the strongest always last, Meat & Potatoes forever!
I knew exactly where you were going when you stopped the video. I appreciate your ability to voice opinions without being disrespectful. Avi needed to leave to sing what he was brought up with and what was in his heart. It is obvious that Avi is where he belongs and Matt is where he is meant to be. Love them both ❤️🎶
I believe that sometimes in this cosmic mess of a world that we have…things turn out as they should….The case of Avi/PTX is one of those rare occasions! Avi needed PTX and PTX needed Avi, it was a mutually beneficial arrangement that we ALL benefited from…it can arguably be said that they are each better off now…it’s hard for me to imagine PTX without Matt now, even as it is hard to imagine PTX never having had Avi!!!
I am totally with you 100% on Avi. Miss him in PTX but love him solo as well and him being able to write and sing songs from his heart is awesome. Keep up thhe great reeactions.
Agree that I'm glad Avi is happy, and that PTX is happy. I think Avi's current music is great, but as a musician, I think what he did with PTX is actually more complex than what he does now. It is harder to hold down a bass line, especially an acapella bass line, than it is to sing lead. I actually think Avi under-utilizes HIMSELF -as a vocaliist- now, as he rarely shows his -entire- range, or does the kind of octave skips we know he is capable of, because they are not necessary in the style of folkish music he prefers. He obviously instead is stretching his composing, lyric writing, and lead skills instead. No problem with that, but singing a bass line is not a box, it is -incredibly- difficult, and it is necessary. Like Kevin's beat boxing, it's not ptx keeping him there, it is intrinsic to the nature of doing music in parts itself.
Yes! Thank you! Scott has mentioned a few times that doing the background is usually way more difficult than the solo. I think minimizing the roles as "less than" if they are not lead is doing all of them a disservice. As you said, Avi is expanding many creative things in his solo work, but minimizing his extremely impressive work as an a cappella bass is unnecessary.
This is what I was trying to say in my own comment earlier. If you think doing the background singing is easy or boring, you need to try singing in a choir. I don’t usually try for solos, but I don’t see myself as less than people who do.
I just spent 20 minutes looking for the one my wife had. Can't find it. I used it to record PTX live at their first concert back home to Arlington Texas. Still have those videos (dark and grainy) and I found the Sony stereo speaker that I bought to plug into that dedicated video camera, but not the unit itself. If I find it, I'll post it.
Yes, the journey was necessary. I’m so glad they travelled it for all our sakes. And with the oldest only 33 years old, they all have so much more in front of them. Oh, and I’m a mullet Mitch fan.☀️
my favorite mitch look is 1. mullet Mitch, the purple hair he had in the No (Meghan Trainor video), and the cut you mentioned he had in AHA Singapore. My least was the bald Mitch and yeah wasn't a fan of the mustache he had in Superfruit. Watching Avi in the old PTX videos is heartwarming and sad. He didn't leave Pentatonix to do a solo career, it just worked out that way. Being a part of PTX did give Avi the exposure he would need to go further. Without PTX we'd never have known how great he is, as a singer and as a person. The one song Light in the Hallway, love to listen to Avi sing.
Let's be factual. Ptx won three grammes with that man in the group. To my knowledge they have not since he left. Something he contributed was substantial and distinct. I do love stuff like matts grinch and wide open tones but, it's not what Avi brought.
Nobody kept Avi in a box. He and Kevin were the master duo of arranging back in the day (along with Scott): Avi himself wrote/arranged many of those 'du-dumm' bass lines himself. People change, and he eventually outgrew that role, in addition to not being able to keep up the crazy schedule they had and have, especially after his mother's diagnosis. It's a good thing he's doing is own music now, many people enjoy it and he's clearly happier in his new lifestyle. I agree with you there. What actually annoys me about that particular clip is Mitch doing all those beautiful riffs and runs and the bloody camera showing everyone but him! I guess you missed those parts, talking about Avi.
After seeing what folks like Geoff and Tim are capable of within their respective groups...I can see where Avi would be upset over the parts he was being given, what he was being asked to do within the group. That being said, WITHOUT PTX, and his time with them, I'm sorry to say, Avi is an unknown, local, folk artist doing festivals, the odd local bar, and events. A very GOOD local folk singer, but still...Without the international stage PTX provided him, the fanbase he gained from his time there... The reverse is true, too, though. Without Avi PTX isn't where they are today. They don't HAVE that international stage, that name recognition, that star power. So, the relationship was most certainly mutually beneficial.
I agree, except where you mentioned that he was "given" parts. I'm under the impression that Avi was instrumental (pardon the pun) in the arrangements. He would have known his role, even created it. But I can also see how he would be ready to move on. And the relationship was definitely mutually beneficial.
Well the songs HomeFree and VoicePlay do are very different from PTX. PTX are mega international stars. HF and VP are niche successes at the very best. Not the same ball Park.
@@sanoodilon4563 I can't say that I necessarily agree, Sano. I would say they're playing the same game, on the same field, it's just that the field Home Free and Voice Play play on is...smaller. The songs they choose to arrange are just as ambitious, just as complex, have just as much attention to detail when it comes to arrangement. The voices, though different, are just as good. The videos that both Home Free and Voice Play do, though maybe not as cinematic, have just as much production value as PTX's, too. I agree that HF and VP are niche...but so, for that matter, is PTX, really. Each has their own lane, their own corner OF the niche, is all I meant to say, really.
@@Tark-qs4mu No you're totally right. I apologise i didn't develop my opinion. What i meant is: 1. HomeFree's style is almost all country and folk. Where deep voices do great. VoicePlay is more theatrical where also deep voices do great (even though in my opinion VP play the Geoff card way too aften. It's not as surprising. We know the man can sing extremely low.) 2. The megastar and niche comment i just wanted to say that PTX have a certain demand that Avi can't fill. Like for example Brian May Can sing very well. He could have been a lead singer in many smaller bands. But Queen wouldn't have been nearly as popular and famous if he was their lead singer. Avi has a perfect voice to be lead for more niche groups. But not one to lead for international superstars. Idk if it makes sense
@@sanoodilon4563 It made perfect sense. And I agree with you. For the type of music Avi does he has the perfect voice. He's soulful, which he always has been, He knows exactly which dynamics to use, and when. Though I don't know if I entirely agree he doesn't have the voice to lead an group of international superstars. Not so long as that stardom is with a niche group, anyway. He certainly has the presence for it. *sigh* Which, I guess, he picked up while he was with PTX, if we're being honest. When Avi first came to the group he was very shy. Kevin had to drag him out of his shell quite a bit, just as Avi had to drag Kevin's voice out into the open. Both things we should be thrilled about. Anyway, I think it was just a matter of semantics with you and I. We were saying the same things, just in different terms. And, neither of us were getting that, at first. Now we are, though. See what happens when good hoomans act like good hoomans and talk about things? Lol.
I think all Avi fans agree. It was hard when it first happened but we all understand now. Yes. seeing him with them in old videos is bittersweet. But the thing to me is he looks so sad right here. And we know thay he was emotionally struggling before he left but sometimes when I see certain videos I always wonder why he looks so sad, is this one of the times that he was feeling so down or was it just not a point in the song where he could sing. But 100% agree with you so glad he is where he is now.
Hi Saucey. I don’t think you have listened to PTX recording Phy,s Gangnam Style Where Scott sings in Korean and they kill it . AND the Bloopers reel that comes. With it. You cannot watch it without laughing ! It’s hilarious
I am just like you. Avi needed to be Avi. I am not into his music now, but many people do like it. PTX I don't think was keeping him in a box. I think he just grew past them. Also people need remember he could not keep up with the tour schedule. With his mother's health etc. BTW the Daft Punk back stage was for Make a wish .
I love both and I think things happen for a reason. I just wish that the ones that loved Avi then would support him now. They both need the support. Both are great.
That was fantastic, though I feel it was a slightly misleading title for the video because they were definitely using lapel mics or over head mics in a fair few of those. They were all still epic, and proving that they can absolutely sing. My fave Mitch look is the emo swoop as well, I like it best when it was purple, but the natural colour is cool too, then the brief period in between Mullet Mitch where he had short hair (I think it was during the panini quarantini) with no tash . I agree that the task really does make him seem like a Freddie reincarnation. If you want more micless singing, there's a compilation video of them (with Matt) and some of it has then singing on stairs and it certainly appears it's just them and the recording device; the stairwell definitely working with them on the acoustics. It also has a great sounding version or telephone too (though I'm not sure if there was an overhead mic for it). The video is "PTX TikTok Singing compilation", and it's posted by Rue. [Looks like Rue has a few good compilations because "Ptx random and oftentimes silly singing compilation." Was really fun too. My god they're all so talented, even when they're being silly they sound awesome, and Kevin at the beginning...go off, dude.]
This was such an awesome video! I agree that I am always finding new videos to watch. It’s actually kind of stressful because I am worried that I will miss out on one that would have been my favorite 😁. Luckily they all turn out to be my favorites. I proudly state that Mitch with a mullet is my number one look, followed by the “swoosh” of any color and I agree about the mustache. Thanks for your thoughts as well as the laughs today, SD.
Def the 2015 hair swoop. Second is probably the clean shaven, clean haircut. I love the mullet though, but only he can make it look cool. I don't know how or if Avi felt truly happy in PTX. Its sad to think that he didn't because he produced so much good music with them. I'm glad he finally made that decision to fly free. Everyone else who does their solo projects do it for the same reason. I identify most with Mitch's personality. I LIKE to think I'm like Avi, and I wish I were. Mitch had Messer inside of him, and that music speaks to me too. Avi would've been pulling out all of his gorge hair if he'd stuck with PTX and doing solo
I think it's very visibble on him (thanks to the tons of videos-snippets-interviews of ptx) where he truly enjoyed it all and when he starts to burn out
@@livus3787 I agree! They clearly grew in very separate ways, and that compounded with the extreme stress, I'm so glad they went their separate ways, for all of them! It all ended up for the better for them all and they all had the experience together they were supposed to have. Some meaningful relationships are not meant to be forever. And that's ok!
not to mention, shortly after Avi left, even PTX too was forced to slow down as the rest of the world.. but I feel like they did needed it a bit too.. of course tour cancellations etc are bummer, but still. They emerged refreshed :)
Sauce, I agree with all you say regarding Avi, and sometimes he just didn't look happy. Glad he's happy doing what he wants. Love Matt. He's a fantastic fit I think. I love all of Mitch's looks but not the moustache lol. Just how insanely talented are they??? Every one of them.
Just ordered Avi's new album this morning. Such a great voice that I can listen to over and over. Also, I agree with your views on Mitch's hair and mustache.
After following Pentatonix since 2012 there are sill videos I have not seen. Is it possible to see them all?? One video that has only 2.1m views is their cover of We are Never Ever Getting Back Together. Another one you may have not see is Natural Disaster Live in Springfield, MO. Another rabbit hole to go down is checking out the Acapop Kids Which was Co-founded by Scott Hoying
You haven't even done Christmas yet! LOL, there are so many songs they do it's going to take you a while. Try reacting to Gold or O' Come all Ye Faithful (official). They are so amazing.
you are spot-on regarding Avi. he was great with PTX and co-wrote many songs with them with light in the hallway being one of my favorites. and now he's steamrolling up that success mountain of his solo career. I so admire him.
Pretty sure Avi was not involved with writing light in the hallway. Scott wrote it for his new nephew (I think with Mitchs help?) but Scott wrote it with Avis voice in mind since Avi is able to bring out that emotion.
@@hernameispekka_Rebecca exactly. Avi had nothing to do with the writing of light in the hallway. Scott and Mitch wrote it with song writer Audra Mae for Scott's nephew Landon. He is the one who wanted Avi's voice for lead. I'm guessing knowing that, they were able to write the bass part so that Scott himself could sing it. Leaving avi free to solo.
@@PtxXtp Yes. And it's also more of a classical arrangement and 5 part harmony, so not based on the rythm as many pop songs are. It's more in line with how many christmas songs are (where Matt and Avi both have way more solos since traditional christmas music lends itself more towards lower voices and less rythm than pop songs do.)
Yeah with you with the side sweep with the move hair I loved that I'm afraid to tell you the mustache is going no where now he finally found something he is comfortable with he even started growing a bit under his lip not sure what that called lol And Kirstin Mitch Kevin and Scott all wear glasses but wear contacts most off the time Avi most definitely wouldn't be where he is now if it weren't for ptx But he did know what he was signing up to when they won the sing off ptx never kept Avi in a box they new what he could do I think it most likely Avi choice to be mainly base And I'm glad he did leave as Matt is perfect for ptx and perfect fit for them I just wish people would just see Avi as Avi and pentatonix as ptx with Matt not what they were before Matt that time is gone and Matt has worked his ass off to get where he is today for ptx I can't imagine how hard it must be for Matt to hear and see things
That tends to be the case when an iconic singer needs to be replaced. I hope Matt has a thick enough skin and knows he is good the way he is. That thing under Mitch’s lower lip may be called a soul patch. It seems he and Austin. Now have the same style of facial hair and I’m not sure what to think about that. I get the idea Austin and Kelly might be good for him because they are less Hollywood and more ”normal” people. I hear Mitch is also learning to cook, which can only be a good thing. I recently saw a Superfruit video where Scott and Mitch are cooking chicken and it’s like a horror film. :D They had never used the oven before and had wine glasses but no proper plates or a cutting board. But I’m going on a tangent here.
I just found a song by Pentatonix , Light in the hallway , omg I think you're going to love it . Sang by Avi , must of been written by his too . His voice is so beautiful in this . Please check it out !!
I've never seen Matt with corrective lenses, but I know the rest of them all need corrections. Kirstie wears her glasses a lot during her leisure and informal times. Does Avi know how much you love him? I agree with what you say. Matt and Avi are exactly where they need to be right now. I like how they have to close their eyes to make sure they are in sync with each other especially in "Take Me Home". A great reaction as always. I love "Run to You".
This was when the was younger. But I like him better when he was with them I do now. I don't care for his music. He don't seem as happy now. I love Matt he is amazing
That discussion about Avi in relation to PTX it’s somehow senseless to me. Avi start with PTX and together with them he grow up and found the way he want to go as an artist. He was doing that time there an amazing job. He had a big part on the success of PTX. He decide to be consequent and focused on his solo career. How know what would be happen to PTX if the members are even more successful as a Solist. I hope the best but Kirstie become a mother and this will change her priorities and also the possibilities to perform with PTX. Anyway right know is Matt the bass of the group and he do also an great job. He is in a lot of points different from Avi. And that’s good because this give also the chance to PTX to develop further. Avi is past in regards to PTX and I think that should be respected. Of course everyone is free to like what ever he want but I think it’s also a kind of unfair forward to Matt.
Yeah, I believe he had to leave for his own sake, but IMO it was a loss for PTX. Not only did he have one of the most beautiful bass voices ever, he was funny and humble and so knowledgeable about music and composition. I think he steered them from being only a pop cover group, and was a big part of their winning 3 Grammys. I still enjoy their music, it just doesn't warm my soul like it did.
On your Avi rant, Avi helped pick out Matt. Matt was hired for the Christmas tour, but then he was included into PTX. I was at Matt's first world tour and he talked about how he was competing in an A Capella competition and PTX was sitting in the front row.
Avi did not help,find Matt that is a rumor that keeps being spread comments. Ben Bram is who contacted Matt. Matt did an interview and confirms this. He also said he didn’t even know Ptx was the group he was auditioning for at the time. He just knew he was auditioning for a group that needed a bass. It wasn’t until they were considering Matt for the job that he needed to tryout with a few other basses that he learned it was for Ptx.
I think in the Pentaparents video one of Matt’s relatives says Matt said ”I think that audition was for Pentatonix”, but that only confirms that he didn’t know for sure at that stage and Avi certainly was not involved.
You are absolutely right about PTX and Avi. They both had to be together in the beginning to build their brand. Avi may end up being the Bob Dylan of this time with his music. Without PTX he does not have his later success. PTX got Matt who I think blends better with the other four members than Avi did. You can always pick out Avi in a PTX song. Matt is just as good but his smoother tone makes the blend better which makes the whole sound more uniform.
Avi will never be Bob Dylan now. Come on🤣. i love him. God bless him. he has an incredible voice and his melodies are great. but God his lyrics don't do it for me. it's always 4 bars in a verse maximum and like 4 choruses that are way longer than all the verses combined. his themes are great but he can't develop them for shit
Question for you: Is Mitch in a box? Yes, he gets lots of solos. But they almost invariably showcase his upper range, (Amazing Grace is a big exception.). His most recent Messer release has him singing a couple of octaves below his PTX usual, and some of the big Mitch fans are _very_ displeased. So is he being kept in a box in PTX? Just a thought I had after hearing "Leather." ANYWAY: All the Trio wear contacts or glasses. Mitch wore glasses pretty often even onscreen in the early days. Kirstin seems to switch off pretty often as well: in these later stages of her pregnancy, she's seen wearing them frequently unless she's out with Hausdo. I've seen Scott with them so seldom in recent years that I wonder if he's had Lasik.
I agree with your first Mitch option but my second favorite is when they first were on the show. But any Mitch is great just like all the others. Perfectly them.
My fave look is Mullet Mitch. I don't care for the 'stashe either. It makes him look exactly like his Dad. Somewhere in the Superfruit videos is a video of Mitch, Mitch's dad and Scott trying to teach Mitch's dad gay terminology. It shows just how like his dad he is.
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Remember Avi knew what he was signing up for when he decided to stay with Ptx after winning the sing off. It’s not like they gave him a bunch of solo stuff and then limited him. Ptx deserves no blame for keeping him in a box. It was his role in the group. Avi just decided he needed more than being a bass singer and wanted to do a different style of music than Ptx did and does. I agree they’re both better off now.
I agree. And Scott worked on his bass singing for them to be able to give Avi more room and give them more flexibility in arranging. But there is only so much a 20-ish Scott could do to cover that part for Avi. The simple truth is that Avi didn't sing bass because he wasn't spotlight worthy. He sang the bass because noone else could. Same reason Kevin rarely sings lead. Nowdays they've worked (and aged) in to having more switchable skills. So Matt can pick up a bit of basic beat boxing to give Kevin a moment, or Scott can pick up a bit of bass for Matt (and for Avi in the later years). But when they need the BEST, and not just someone holding the part down, they are going to use Avi/Kevin/Matt. People don't get mad at a band for not giving the drummer a guitar solo, even if the drummer might also be good at guitar. And with the pop/electro sound ptx always have said they were going for, a bass would always be more needed in the instrumental (where the bass usually is in that type of music) and not in the leads (that usually are more baritone and up in pop). I agree with you that Avi knew what he signed up for, and then life and he changed, and he changed his mind. Hardly the first person to change their job or life a bit.
It's also like "whatever" to pretend that PTX has gone really far out of their way to give Matt more solos than they did for Avi, which people seem to pretend is the case.
Matt's now been in Pentatonix almost as long as Avi was. Matt has sung ONE lead, Avi had SIX. And for solos in ensemble songs Avi had 29 to Matt's 38. And don't ever forget that Avi was extremely present in arrangements... it isn't like PTX was just doing something to him without his input and direction.
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I think saying he 'knew what he ws getting into' is a bit much. The band had existed for a barely a few months at that time and was still developing their style and skills. It could have gone differently than it ended up going.
@@NilZed1 i meant it as he knew his role was the bass singer. As holding down the bass line for most songs. And then sometimes providing the bass harmony when the bass line wasn't needed and he was singing lyrics. He knew he was half of the rhythm section and he loved all the praise he got for it on the sing off. After so many years I guess he needed more. He could have easily done a side project like all the others have done if he wasn't being fulfilled completely. Seemed like he really wanted the spotlight and to be in full control. I just can't stand when people make it out to be ptx's fault that he left. They didn't change as a group. He changed as a member.
I think Matt is perfect for PTX now. He fits the adventurous, experimental Mitch songs and the warm/silly/pop modern covers. Avi was perfect for the trial and error growth of a cappella into what it is now. Being "dad" to a herd of 19 year olds, as a kid himself. The stress of non stop traveling, his mom's illness and probably the beginning of his developing musical individuallity all converged. The decision was right for both groups. I'm sure the separation was hurtful and hard for all parties, but growth spurts hurt. Now we have amazing artists whose creativity is unconstrained. As someone commented, a cappella is a style not a religion! Get over the blinked idea that only one is best. Thanks Saucey for being frank,open and funny.
You said it. Agreed
I agree, Matt is perfect at this time for this iteration of PTX. His bass runs and the way he can move up and down the scales is so impressive.
agreed! i saw avi in concert a few days ago and you could see he was perfectly in his element and much happier
I agree with your entire Avi rant. These kids were literally working non-stop for years after the sing off. Recording while on tour overseas, concerts, public & TV appearances, etc. all while writing and creating new music. I think in those early years they never turned down an opportunity to be heard. Personally I don’t think I could’ve sustained that kind of schedule and I totally get why Avi had to bow out for his own well-being. Will always love him and his beautiful voice and I’ll always love Matt for coming into fill some huge shoes and doing it with grace and staying true to who he is. He didn’t try to be Avi 2.0. There are things Matt brings to the table that Avi wouldn’t have been able to do and vice-versa but everyone’s goal was always to serve the music. This group is special for so many reasons. 🥰
Yes, indeed!
Exactly!!!
Yes, Avi said he wanted to do that for the rest of his life. But in the PTXperience videos he lamented more than once about being gone and on the road all the time, and straight up complained that, "Days off used to be days off, but not now. We don't have days off anymore, we're recording or writing or arranging." That was the foreshadowing writing on the wall that Avi would be the first to leave the group.
Really good singers and musicians are a dime a dozen. What sets the successful and famous ones apart isn't just the luck of getting their big break, it's being able to handle everything that comes with it. It's not only the sacrifices that Sarah Bareilles talked about on The Sing Off, it's missing family, it's no days off, it's living out of a suitcase and sleeping on a bus or a different hotel every night, it's being on-stage 24/7, it's a lifestyle that you can handle or you can't.
Kirstie nearly washed out, you can see it in her early blog posts. She had a confidence problem, and it affected her health. But she figured it out and overcame.
The notion that Avi and Scott butted heads or the group wanted to lock Avi in a Bass Box is just silly. None of those people have that kind of personality. You can see how true that it by watching the PTXperience and BTS videos.
Avi started off as an opera singer, then made enough money with Pentatonix that allowed him to be a folk singer. It's a lifestyle that suits him better.
Alot of those unknown songs were their RUclips videos after the Sing Off when they were dropped. They did everything to get noticed. It worked 😆
Those of us who love Avi and love Matt agree with you. Avi needed his time and to spread his wings and the joy he continues to bring us is breathtaking. Matt is pure happiness and even though he is different his contributions are wonderful and PTX is continuing to make outstanding and unbelievable music. The talent is pure and awesome all the way around. Also agree with Mitch's looks! Not thrilled with the mustache, but when you are that talented, you do you Mitch!! Loved the mullet and the shaved head and hair to the side. Love being in the Saucey Fam and your reactions!! Thanks for all you do!
well put
..I love the moustache 🥲
Keep in mind, he joined the group to be bass....He wasn't duped lol.
Excellent point. Well said.
Well, there are a few things to say. First of all and most important, Mitch's hair, lol: We have the exact same favorite looks, and we could both really do without the mustache, but I won't disrespect the stache considering whose face it's on, lol. I don't disagree with you about Avi, or about the relative better-offness of everyone involved, but there were options. If they were all locked into PTX, none of them would be completely fulfilled as artists, as amazing as it must be to be a part of that insane group producing the jaw-dropping music they create. That is why we have Superfruit, Scott's collabs, Messer, Kirstie's "Love," and Kevin's "Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood." Avi could have done his solo work, too. That being said, the pace he would have had to race at to do both things is counter to his wellbeing, so I believe he made the right choice. I have to believe it gives him a twinge seeing PTX continue without him, but in a nostalgic and what-if sort of way, like seeing an old flame, right? He definitely didn't hate being part of that group, he loved it. His soul needed something different, that is all. Leaving didn't hurt PTX, except emotionally. Matt's sound is lovely, if different, and fits in perfectly, plus he is a beautiful souled young man, like Avi, but in his own way. Not to disrespect the enormous contribution made by the bass even when they are not singing or soloing, but Avi leaving, as painful as it was, was not insurmountable. The sound of the group changed noticeably but they were still recognizable as PTX. Mitch, Kirstie, or Scott leaving would have changed the sound beyond recognition and Pentatonix would be something completely other than Pentatonix, that is just how the roles fall out. Kevin MIGHT be able to be replaced with another beatboxer, but he or she wouldn't be Kevin, just like Matt isn't Avi. It would be a concussive blow. I hope that never happens. They were lucky to find a beautiful souled artist to replace a beautiful souled artist. Kevin is musically the beating heart of PTX and his gorgeous energy, intelligence, creativity, and soul are integral, it's hard to imagine they could be so lucky a second time. A lot of people are capable of executing great technique, but Pentatonix runs just as much on heart energy that is uniquely theirs, because they are their own sincerely good and loving selves, as people and as individual artists. You can feel it in every song and performance. None of the six of them are replaceable at this point. None of them.
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Lol at the fav hairstyle. 😆 I think Avi is much happier doing what he is doing now. I’m so glad they found Matt. He was such a great addition. Not a substitute!
Thank you for this. I think your comments are very timely. It was hard to have this discussion for a long time, but I am so grateful a lot of people now see that the way it all played out was for the best for all of them. Life evolves. I think we have to give credit to all of them for the way they handled the transition and continued to develop and enjoy what they are doing.
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Added note. You can see that Avi was having great fun in these videos. It think it was later that the intense grinding schedule took its final toll on him.
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Avi was tearfully grateful for his PTX exposure. He said it on the Sing Off that he wanted to be a part of their family for the rest of his life. He was totally into doing what he was doing with PTX. I don't think any PTX member kept Avi down, in a certain place. Once he became discontented with playing that role, he left when he should have. PTX is his roots. My taste doesn't care for Avi's genre of music. I appreciate what he is doing, but I don't really connect with it. I liked playful Avi, this genre of music he is doing just isn't fun loving for me. It kind of brings me down. I am a fan of uplifting music so it's not for me. I'm happy for him, though. Thank you for reacting to this video!
I kind of agree about Avi's present music. I love his voice and I listen occasionally because of this, but his kind of song does nothing for me. But I'm so glad he's doing what he wants to do and he still has quite a following. I wish him much success.
I love Matt he brings his own kind of magic to the group.
Isn't it interesting, how the same music is uplifting for some, and not at all for others? :)) I can totally understand you, tho I'm on the otherside (pun intended) regarding Avi's music, it totally gets me through stuff
Many of the more popular happy and/or vocal acrobat songs just overload my nerves & makes me nervous even tho I aknowledge the skills & talent
@@livus3787 isn't it good that we're all different? My musical tastes are many wide and varied, but don't extend to folk or country. I'm a 65 year old great grandmother. I still listen to punk music, Gary Numan is a hero of mine, but I love new stuff too. Pentatonix of course, but Jason Derulo, Drake, Muse, all sorts. Music is the best thing there is, and it's all interesting even if not to your taste. Enjoy!!
Thank you, sommers, for saying that about Avi’s style of music kinda bringing you down. I took heat for another comment I made about it, but even tho I appreciate the songwriting talent and singing skill it just doesn’t do it for me.
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I agree with everything you said. my only caveat would be that I don't believe that Avi was unhappy being a bass, since that's why he joined PTX. in fact in many clips, he just seems to be grooving and enjoying himself. neither PTX nor Avi would be where they are without the other and I think both parties recognize that. anyway, it's not as if anybody in PTX forced Avi to do anything and I think he left at the right time when he realized that he was no longer doing what made him happy. now both PTX and Avi are thriving and I'm happy for everyone. ❤️
Life's a journey not a destination, I was initially sad when Avi left PTX but now I'm incredibly happy for him doing what makes him happy. PTX wouldn't have got where they are without Avi and Avi wouldn't be the solo success he is now without the PTX exposure, so. . . it all worked out.
This! Some people joins us on the journey for a while and then continue on their own. Some we cross paths with for just one time, others come back. Some join us on the same journey. Doesn't mean one journey is better or more worth than another, doesn't mean that the part you walk together is less meaningful because it ends.
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I think you summed up the Avi/Matt/Pentatonix situation perfectly. Those who are negative to Avi or Pentatonix are missing the boat.
This was awesome. I had never watched it before and I just marveled all over again at how talented they are. Amazing!
I agree with what you said about Avi and PTX. They both needed each other.
My trepidation when he left was that the flavor he brought, with his classical background, would be lost. Example, things like the intro to "Aha" at the Star Vista. That was pure Avi.
One of the early Matt things I heard was a live "Hallelujah", where he changed his solo part. I know he was trying to break out from under the Avi shadow, but I found it a little cringey.
Since then, he has found his stride and is a great addition to the group....tho I still don't care for what he does to "Hallelujah".
As I have said before, egos have no place in this group. They do what is best for a song. Scott wrote "Light in the Hallway" for his newborn nephew and insisted that Avi sing it.
I am happy for Avi, I am happy for PTX and I am happy we have them both.
I wish the whole Avi vs Matt would just die a quiet death.
I agree with your last statement. Stop trying to compare them already Matt has been in the group for years now.
Totally agree with your comment about Matt and “Hallelujah “. I can’t listen to that either!!
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I don't know that there is a Matt vs Avi in the vast majority of the fandom, really. I just think people are aware of the differences between the two artists. I miss what Avi brought to PTX, that deep, rich, very pervasive bass sound. But, I celebrate what Matt brings to PTX just as much, his energy, his whole heart, and his talent. So, for me, there is no Avi vs Matt. Just a difference of talent pools, equal in their own way, but different and unique.
They re wrote a Grammy award title to award them for that very piece. That in itself say a huge amount.
If Avi had never been in PTX I would never would of heard of him. I became a fan of his as PTX and because of that I went and listened to his new stuff.
I agree, without Avi, PTX wouldn't be what they are now AND without PTX, Avi would not be what he is now. They grew together and then grew beyond.
VALENTINE. Another great one
There is no debating what you said..I totally agree with you regarding both ☺
I agree with you. Everyone is better off. I know this will also be unpopular, but honestly, if anyone could have left the original PTX lineup and not really changed how they sound…..I’m glad it was Avi and not a different member. Pentatonix could never replace Scott, Mitch, Kirstie or even Kevin without losing the chemistry that they have. I hate to say it, but meat and potatoes was easily recreated with Matt, it might be even better. Obviously my opinion. Probably unpopular, but oh well. Avi lovers have his soulful folk music and PTX has their happy joyful thing. Everyone wins.
I disagree, Vantreknerd. Not that everyone is better off, that's demonstratable. But, I disagree that anyone else in the group wasn't as replaceable as Avi was. Scott could have been replaced by BJC, Mitch could be replaced by Sam Tsui, Kirsty could be replaced by a number of very talented people, and the sound wouldn't have change all that much. The chemistry would've been different, but it was after Avi left, too. I'm not saying it wasn't the right decision all around for Avi to leave. I'm simply pointing out that he was no more, or less, replaceable than anyone else in the group.
That, of course, is my opinion. I'm not going to say that yours is wrong, just that I disagree with it. *shrugs* To each their own.
@@Tark-qs4mu 100% entitled to your opinion. I guess it is impossible to say what PTX would be if the other members were switched out with someone else. The only replacement that happened was Avi and I really didn't notice that drastic of a difference in their sound (I was really worried that they would would disband and am thankful that they continued, and still do old and new music) I know there is a huge camp of people who don't support PTX now that Avi is gone and that fine. For me, there would be no PTX without the Trio, but again, it's all speculation as the transition could be as seamless and positive and the Avi/Matt one.
There is only one meat and potatoes that's why they're still friends. Now if you want meat to go with something else make it a biscuit or some coleslaw or something but there's only one meat and potatoes. FACT!!!!!
@@renatathompson3530 I’ve already watched this awhile ago but here I am again reading through the comments. With Matt’s sweet silly nature and personality I’ve always said they should be called meat and sweet potatoes. Similar to Avi but not at all the same. Just like their bass singing.
I love Avi but that is kinda what happens when you are a bass…. You have to be a bass. It’s like Kevin doesn’t want to beatbox any more and wants to mainly sing. Then there would be no beatboxer. And that’s not how the group works cause there a A cappella group they have to stay in there lanes. That is why they all do solo stuff and they will try to show case them as much as possible.
I agree 100% that the can’t sleep love swoop, specifically when it’s purple is my favorite Mitch look!
I was wondering if anyone other than me saw Avi as I do. Yes, he needed PTX and PTX needed him. I was heartbroken when he left. As soon as I heard "Change on the rise", it clicked. Avi is still on his true path. I'm thankful he can share his work with us. Thank you for verifying what I felt also. Still loving your reactions.
It was a great experience for Pentatonix and Avi, but it would have killed him to stay. I'm actually amazed he stayed as long as he did, knowing what it was doing to him. I love both Pentatonix and Avi and the insanely great art they've been creating.
PTX has always maintained that each member can do their solo or other music as long as PTX was the main focus. When that contract was pulled and they had to create their own path…they set out on a hard path of tons of work and lots of taking any gig possible. They just never slowed down enough for him to do what he wanted to the degree he wanted. His sister was their tour manager….it was a lot.
He wasn’t limited to “that”. He had lots of solo parts. Plus he amassed a lot of money and an audience fan base to support his solo career. I also agree that they are all better now.
Kirstin checking her phone while singing cracks me up.
Nick you don’t have a neighborhood, you have a home.
In my view, all 6 of them were in the right place then and are in the right place now.
Kirstin, Scott, Mitch, and Kevin all wear glasses. They usually don't wear them onstage or in official videos but there are plenty of videos where one of the four is wearing them.
What you are saying is what it is; Past experiences have led Avi on that road to become the artist at where he is today and however one feels about it is in the eye and heart of the beholder's nostalgic 20\20 vision. Avi is a true one of a kind soul doing what he loves most.
It's just that the original "trio" have had such a strong bond with one another and KO's personality fit in with their type of silly personalities that differed from Avi's more somber one.
I agree that once the separation took place, it worked out for both sides once Matt came to be the new member and Avi went on with his solo career.
Fans will be fans and we all are getting some fantastic music to listen to as a result. 👍
I think this was outside Scott's house in Arlington and these are neighbors.
Yeah, I think so as well. Like a mini press-call... You can spot his mom Connie at the end
Love the video, the rant and the community discussion. Wow, the SauceyFam is amazing. 💕🦄😎
Avi left due to the need to spend time with his family and with his mother’s who had received a cancer diagnosis. As far as I have heard he was happy in his position with ptx with the exception of the touring schedule keeping him away from home.
With his burnout and not being built for that tempo, his role and the style of music they do was probably part of his consideration. Not in a "I need the spotlight" way, more in the fact that he couldn't fill all of his creativity in the group (and being a bass would be part of that). The others do their own projects on the side to fulfill those parts but in Avis case he was stressed and stretched thin as it was, so adding his own passion projects on top of that was not doable.
@@hernameispekka_RebeccaI agree with that as well. On a couple of his live chats he mentions the feeling of homecoming returning to his roots vs the hectic vagabond life PTX lead too. It was a wild ride for them all.
I totally agree with you on everything you talked about regarding Avi, I would add you can see where he DID really enjoyed the heck out of the bass-beats, base 'dumm-dumm'ing, their beginnings, he can't stop grooving 😁 later it's almost totally gone (around the era his beard starts to get longer x) )
also it's not just the different souls & styles (not better or worst, just diff. directions!) of these people but the social batteries.. they were promoting and going here & there outside or WHILE touring.. Kev eg. can do a hundred other things beside PTX (but he's an alien as we knew x) ), some can not. Then of course you choose to spend your energy on something closer to your heart. (I can sooo relate to that tho, sure on a much smaller scale, but I also left a job I anyway enjoyed coz was too busy & risked my health, but it was also hard to do so)
All of this comment! Yes!
Awesome! Thanks ❤️ Much Love #Hangovergang #Pentatonix
Right, it's just not fair why can't I look that good and sound that good God blesses them with all the talent but that's what they're here for. We all have our special gifts that we need to pursue and yes you must appreciate other people's talents! Love your reactions I'm only seconds in....
I love ptx and avi and all i can say is they all needed to do that then to be where they all are today
Not everyone is meant to be a Soloist. Some do very well being part of a group. Avi does both and is successful in both areas. Also relationships always fizzle out or get weeded down, but those that were the strongest always last, Meat & Potatoes forever!
I knew exactly where you were going when you stopped the video. I appreciate your ability to voice opinions without being disrespectful. Avi needed to leave to sing what he was brought up with and what was in his heart. It is obvious that Avi is where he belongs and Matt is where he is meant to be. Love them both ❤️🎶
I believe that sometimes in this cosmic mess of a world that we have…things turn out as they should….The case of Avi/PTX is one of those rare occasions! Avi needed PTX and PTX needed Avi, it was a mutually beneficial
arrangement that we ALL
benefited from…it can arguably be said that they are each better off now…it’s hard for me to imagine
PTX without Matt now, even as it is hard to imagine PTX never having had Avi!!!
Yes, to all of this!
I agree.
Not fair!! And yes all of life experience teaches us who we are! And please never stop giving us your real reaction that's why I love you so much
I am totally with you 100% on Avi. Miss him in PTX but love him solo as well and him being able to write and sing songs from his heart is awesome. Keep up thhe great reeactions.
Agree that I'm glad Avi is happy, and that PTX is happy. I think Avi's current music is great, but as a musician, I think what he did with PTX is actually more complex than what he does now. It is harder to hold down a bass line, especially an acapella bass line, than it is to sing lead. I actually think Avi under-utilizes HIMSELF -as a vocaliist- now, as he rarely shows his -entire- range, or does the kind of octave skips we know he is capable of, because they are not necessary in the style of folkish music he prefers. He obviously instead is stretching his composing, lyric writing, and lead skills instead. No problem with that, but singing a bass line is not a box, it is -incredibly- difficult, and it is necessary. Like Kevin's beat boxing, it's not ptx keeping him there, it is intrinsic to the nature of doing music in parts itself.
Agree, + maybe he doesn't want the acrobats do dominate, maybe he just wants to use that in a simple way as it calms many :)
Yes! Thank you! Scott has mentioned a few times that doing the background is usually way more difficult than the solo. I think minimizing the roles as "less than" if they are not lead is doing all of them a disservice. As you said, Avi is expanding many creative things in his solo work, but minimizing his extremely impressive work as an a cappella bass is unnecessary.
This is what I was trying to say in my own comment earlier. If you think doing the background singing is easy or boring, you need to try singing in a choir. I don’t usually try for solos, but I don’t see myself as less than people who do.
Oh, the One Off is a compilation of performances that they have only given once.
I love the mullet and baby face Mitch from the sing off
I just spent 20 minutes looking for the one my wife had. Can't find it. I used it to record PTX live at their first concert back home to Arlington Texas. Still have those videos (dark and grainy) and I found the Sony stereo speaker that I bought to plug into that dedicated video camera, but not the unit itself. If I find it, I'll post it.
Purple swish bangs. 👏🏼 😂 greetings from Southern California. Miss you, but the house is looking great. 🤗💋🥰
Yes, the journey was necessary. I’m so glad they travelled it for all our sakes. And with the oldest only 33 years old, they all have so much more in front of them.
Oh, and I’m a mullet Mitch fan.☀️
Same!!!
my favorite mitch look is 1. mullet Mitch, the purple hair he had in the No (Meghan Trainor video), and the cut you mentioned he had in AHA Singapore. My least was the bald Mitch and yeah wasn't a fan of the mustache he had in Superfruit. Watching Avi in the old PTX videos is heartwarming and sad. He didn't leave Pentatonix to do a solo career, it just worked out that way. Being a part of PTX did give Avi the exposure he would need to go further. Without PTX we'd never have known how great he is, as a singer and as a person. The one song Light in the Hallway, love to listen to Avi sing.
Let's be factual. Ptx won three grammes with that man in the group. To my knowledge they have not since he left.
Something he contributed was substantial and distinct.
I do love stuff like matts grinch and wide open tones but, it's not what Avi brought.
Light in the Hallway!! I keep saying! As a huge Avi fan...you Have Too!
Nobody kept Avi in a box. He and Kevin were the master duo of arranging back in the day (along with Scott): Avi himself wrote/arranged many of those 'du-dumm' bass lines himself. People change, and he eventually outgrew that role, in addition to not being able to keep up the crazy schedule they had and have, especially after his mother's diagnosis. It's a good thing he's doing is own music now, many people enjoy it and he's clearly happier in his new lifestyle. I agree with you there. What actually annoys me about that particular clip is Mitch doing all those beautiful riffs and runs and the bloody camera showing everyone but him! I guess you missed those parts, talking about Avi.
After seeing what folks like Geoff and Tim are capable of within their respective groups...I can see where Avi would be upset over the parts he was being given, what he was being asked to do within the group. That being said, WITHOUT PTX, and his time with them, I'm sorry to say, Avi is an unknown, local, folk artist doing festivals, the odd local bar, and events. A very GOOD local folk singer, but still...Without the international stage PTX provided him, the fanbase he gained from his time there...
The reverse is true, too, though. Without Avi PTX isn't where they are today. They don't HAVE that international stage, that name recognition, that star power. So, the relationship was most certainly mutually beneficial.
I agree, except where you mentioned that he was "given" parts. I'm under the impression that Avi was instrumental (pardon the pun) in the arrangements. He would have known his role, even created it. But I can also see how he would be ready to move on. And the relationship was definitely mutually beneficial.
Well the songs HomeFree and VoicePlay do are very different from PTX. PTX are mega international stars. HF and VP are niche successes at the very best. Not the same ball Park.
@@sanoodilon4563 I can't say that I necessarily agree, Sano. I would say they're playing the same game, on the same field, it's just that the field Home Free and Voice Play play on is...smaller. The songs they choose to arrange are just as ambitious, just as complex, have just as much attention to detail when it comes to arrangement. The voices, though different, are just as good. The videos that both Home Free and Voice Play do, though maybe not as cinematic, have just as much production value as PTX's, too.
I agree that HF and VP are niche...but so, for that matter, is PTX, really. Each has their own lane, their own corner OF the niche, is all I meant to say, really.
@@Tark-qs4mu No you're totally right. I apologise i didn't develop my opinion. What i meant is:
1. HomeFree's style is almost all country and folk. Where deep voices do great. VoicePlay is more theatrical where also deep voices do great (even though in my opinion VP play the Geoff card way too aften. It's not as surprising. We know the man can sing extremely low.)
2. The megastar and niche comment i just wanted to say that PTX have a certain demand that Avi can't fill. Like for example Brian May Can sing very well. He could have been a lead singer in many smaller bands. But Queen wouldn't have been nearly as popular and famous if he was their lead singer. Avi has a perfect voice to be lead for more niche groups. But not one to lead for international superstars. Idk if it makes sense
@@sanoodilon4563 It made perfect sense. And I agree with you. For the type of music Avi does he has the perfect voice. He's soulful, which he always has been, He knows exactly which dynamics to use, and when. Though I don't know if I entirely agree he doesn't have the voice to lead an group of international superstars. Not so long as that stardom is with a niche group, anyway. He certainly has the presence for it. *sigh* Which, I guess, he picked up while he was with PTX, if we're being honest. When Avi first came to the group he was very shy. Kevin had to drag him out of his shell quite a bit, just as Avi had to drag Kevin's voice out into the open. Both things we should be thrilled about.
Anyway, I think it was just a matter of semantics with you and I. We were saying the same things, just in different terms. And, neither of us were getting that, at first. Now we are, though. See what happens when good hoomans act like good hoomans and talk about things? Lol.
The name of the video recorder finally came to me... Flip Recorder!!!!! Still can't find the one we had.
I think all Avi fans agree. It was hard when it first happened but we all understand now. Yes. seeing him with them in old videos is bittersweet. But the thing to me is he looks so sad right here. And we know thay he was emotionally struggling before he left but sometimes when I see certain videos I always wonder why he looks so sad, is this one of the times that he was feeling so down or was it just not a point in the song where he could sing. But 100% agree with you so glad he is where he is now.
Thanks saucey Dad,Hope you are well awesome reaction as always x
that camera is a flip camera! i had one as a kid! (at 4:05 ish)
Avi has a passion for music, Matt has a passion for bass. Avi needed that time, but he couldn't stay there forever
Hi Saucey. I don’t think you have listened to PTX recording Phy,s Gangnam Style Where Scott sings in Korean and they kill it . AND the Bloopers reel that comes. With it.
You cannot watch it without laughing ! It’s hilarious
I am just like you. Avi needed to be Avi. I am not into his music now, but many people do like it. PTX I don't think was keeping him in a box. I think he just grew past them. Also people need remember he could not keep up with the tour schedule. With his mother's health etc. BTW the Daft Punk back stage was for Make a wish .
I love both and I think things happen for a reason. I just wish that the ones that loved Avi then would support him now. They both need the support. Both are great.
That was fantastic, though I feel it was a slightly misleading title for the video because they were definitely using lapel mics or over head mics in a fair few of those. They were all still epic, and proving that they can absolutely sing.
My fave Mitch look is the emo swoop as well, I like it best when it was purple, but the natural colour is cool too, then the brief period in between Mullet Mitch where he had short hair (I think it was during the panini quarantini) with no tash . I agree that the task really does make him seem like a Freddie reincarnation.
If you want more micless singing, there's a compilation video of them (with Matt) and some of it has then singing on stairs and it certainly appears it's just them and the recording device; the stairwell definitely working with them on the acoustics. It also has a great sounding version or telephone too (though I'm not sure if there was an overhead mic for it). The video is "PTX TikTok Singing compilation", and it's posted by Rue. [Looks like Rue has a few good compilations because "Ptx random and oftentimes silly singing compilation." Was really fun too. My god they're all so talented, even when they're being silly they sound awesome, and Kevin at the beginning...go off, dude.]
I am going to put a request out there for a patient to request the "Pentatonix tiktok compilation".
Thanks.
This was such an awesome video! I agree that I am always finding new videos to watch. It’s actually kind of stressful because I am worried that I will miss out on one that would have been my favorite 😁. Luckily they all turn out to be my favorites. I proudly state that Mitch with a mullet is my number one look, followed by the “swoosh” of any color and I agree about the mustache. Thanks for your thoughts as well as the laughs today, SD.
Def the 2015 hair swoop. Second is probably the clean shaven, clean haircut. I love the mullet though, but only he can make it look cool.
I don't know how or if Avi felt truly happy in PTX. Its sad to think that he didn't because he produced so much good music with them. I'm glad he finally made that decision to fly free. Everyone else who does their solo projects do it for the same reason.
I identify most with Mitch's personality. I LIKE to think I'm like Avi, and I wish I were. Mitch had Messer inside of him, and that music speaks to me too. Avi would've been pulling out all of his gorge hair if he'd stuck with PTX and doing solo
I think it's very visibble on him (thanks to the tons of videos-snippets-interviews of ptx) where he truly enjoyed it all and when he starts to burn out
@@livus3787 I agree! They clearly grew in very separate ways, and that compounded with the extreme stress, I'm so glad they went their separate ways, for all of them! It all ended up for the better for them all and they all had the experience together they were supposed to have. Some meaningful relationships are not meant to be forever. And that's ok!
not to mention, shortly after Avi left, even PTX too was forced to slow down as the rest of the world.. but I feel like they did needed it a bit too.. of course tour cancellations etc are bummer, but still. They emerged refreshed :)
Sauce, I agree with all you say regarding Avi, and sometimes he just didn't look happy. Glad he's happy doing what he wants. Love Matt. He's a fantastic fit I think.
I love all of Mitch's looks but not the moustache lol.
Just how insanely talented are they??? Every one of them.
great reaction Thx Nick 😎
Dude I love your reactions and got lots following you. We all want you to react too o come all ye faithful
Just ordered Avi's new album this morning. Such a great voice that I can listen to over and over. Also, I agree with your views on Mitch's hair and mustache.
After following Pentatonix since 2012 there are sill videos I have not seen. Is it possible to see them all?? One video that has only 2.1m views is their cover of We are Never Ever Getting Back Together. Another one you may have not see is Natural Disaster Live in Springfield, MO. Another rabbit hole to go down is checking out the Acapop Kids Which was Co-founded by Scott Hoying
You haven't even done Christmas yet! LOL, there are so many songs they do it's going to take you a while. Try reacting to Gold or O' Come all Ye Faithful (official). They are so amazing.
How come no one like this lives in MY neighborhood 🤯🤯🤯.
you are spot-on regarding Avi. he was great with PTX and co-wrote many songs with them with light in the hallway being one of my favorites. and now he's steamrolling up that success mountain of his solo career. I so admire him.
Pretty sure Avi was not involved with writing light in the hallway. Scott wrote it for his new nephew (I think with Mitchs help?) but Scott wrote it with Avis voice in mind since Avi is able to bring out that emotion.
@@hernameispekka_Rebecca exactly. Avi had nothing to do with the writing of light in the hallway. Scott and Mitch wrote it with song writer Audra Mae for Scott's nephew Landon. He is the one who wanted Avi's voice for lead. I'm guessing knowing that, they were able to write the bass part so that Scott himself could sing it. Leaving avi free to solo.
@@PtxXtp Yes. And it's also more of a classical arrangement and 5 part harmony, so not based on the rythm as many pop songs are. It's more in line with how many christmas songs are (where Matt and Avi both have way more solos since traditional christmas music lends itself more towards lower voices and less rythm than pop songs do.)
Yeah with you with the side sweep with the move hair I loved that I'm afraid to tell you the mustache is going no where now he finally found something he is comfortable with he even started growing a bit under his lip not sure what that called lol
And Kirstin Mitch Kevin and Scott all wear glasses but wear contacts most off the time
Avi most definitely wouldn't be where he is now if it weren't for ptx
But he did know what he was signing up to when they won the sing off ptx never kept Avi in a box they new what he could do I think it most likely Avi choice to be mainly base
And I'm glad he did leave as Matt is perfect for ptx and perfect fit for them I just wish people would just see Avi as Avi and pentatonix as ptx with Matt not what they were before Matt that time is gone and Matt has worked his ass off to get where he is today for ptx I can't imagine how hard it must be for Matt to hear and see things
That tends to be the case when an iconic singer needs to be replaced. I hope Matt has a thick enough skin and knows he is good the way he is.
That thing under Mitch’s lower lip may be called a soul patch. It seems he and Austin. Now have the same style of facial hair and I’m not sure what to think about that. I get the idea Austin and Kelly might be good for him because they are less Hollywood and more ”normal” people. I hear Mitch is also learning to cook, which can only be a good thing. I recently saw a Superfruit video where Scott and Mitch are cooking chicken and it’s like a horror film. :D They had never used the oven before and had wine glasses but no proper plates or a cutting board. But I’m going on a tangent here.
Plus we have both "worlds" chatalog available any time so no need to miss this or that era, we still have'em all :))
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Favorite Mitch look is on the Beyoncé medley Superfruit video, and the Gaga medley Superfruit video.
I believe this is in Arlington home of Scott, Mitch and Kirsty.
It was a Flip video camera.
Try their "100 songs in 10 minutes" vid. That's live, and there's no visible mic in view. (Altho obviously there's a mic somewhere.)
I just found a song by Pentatonix , Light in the hallway , omg I think you're going to love it . Sang by Avi , must of been written by his too . His voice is so beautiful in this . Please check it out !!
Written by Scott when his first nephew was born. But he wrote it with Avis voice in mind so that is likely why it sounds a bit Avi-written.
@@hernameispekka_Rebecca Thanks , yes it really suits his voice
Could you imagine if Avi were to go back to PTX or even just do some music with them how incredible 6 talented people in a group would sound???
I've never seen Matt with corrective lenses, but I know the rest of them all need corrections. Kirstie wears her glasses a lot during her leisure and informal times. Does Avi know how much you love him? I agree with what you say. Matt and Avi are exactly where they need to be right now. I like how they have to close their eyes to make sure they are in sync with each other especially in "Take Me Home". A great reaction as always. I love "Run to You".
I think it's neat how they do their off mic song with their eyes closed and their in-ear monitors removed.
This was when the was younger. But I like him better when he was with them I do now. I don't care for his music. He don't seem as happy now. I love Matt he is amazing
I feel you 100% on your take about Avi.
My favorite Mitch look is the shaved head/emo swoop, esp when it was purple!
Totally agree with #1 Mitch look.
That discussion about Avi in relation to PTX it’s somehow senseless to me. Avi start with PTX and together with them he grow up and found the way he want to go as an artist. He was doing that time there an amazing job. He had a big part on the success of PTX. He decide to be consequent and focused on his solo career. How know what would be happen to PTX if the members are even more successful as a Solist. I hope the best but Kirstie become a mother and this will change her priorities and also the possibilities to perform with PTX. Anyway right know is Matt the bass of the group and he do also an great job. He is in a lot of points different from Avi. And that’s good because this give also the chance to PTX to develop further. Avi is past in regards to PTX and I think that should be respected. Of course everyone is free to like what ever he want but I think it’s also a kind of unfair forward to Matt.
Yeah, I believe he had to leave for his own sake, but IMO it was a loss for PTX. Not only did he have one of the most beautiful bass voices ever, he was funny and humble and so knowledgeable about music and composition. I think he steered them from being only a pop cover group, and was a big part of their winning 3 Grammys. I still enjoy their music, it just doesn't warm my soul like it did.
Same feelings here
On your Avi rant, Avi helped pick out Matt. Matt was hired for the Christmas tour, but then he was included into PTX. I was at Matt's first world tour and he talked about how he was competing in an A Capella competition and PTX was sitting in the front row.
Avi did not help,find Matt that is a rumor that keeps being spread comments. Ben Bram is who contacted Matt. Matt did an interview and confirms this. He also said he didn’t even know Ptx was the group he was auditioning for at the time. He just knew he was auditioning for a group that needed a bass. It wasn’t until they were considering Matt for the job that he needed to tryout with a few other basses that he learned it was for Ptx.
I think in the Pentaparents video one of Matt’s relatives says Matt said ”I think that audition was for Pentatonix”, but that only confirms that he didn’t know for sure at that stage and Avi certainly was not involved.
You are absolutely right about PTX and Avi. They both had to be together in the beginning to build their brand. Avi may end up being the Bob Dylan of this time with his music. Without PTX he does not have his later success. PTX got Matt who I think blends better with the other four members than Avi did. You can always pick out Avi in a PTX song. Matt is just as good but his smoother tone makes the blend better which makes the whole sound more uniform.
Avi will never be Bob Dylan now. Come on🤣. i love him. God bless him. he has an incredible voice and his melodies are great. but God his lyrics don't do it for me. it's always 4 bars in a verse maximum and like 4 choruses that are way longer than all the verses combined. his themes are great but he can't develop them for shit
I feel exactly the way you do about Avi. Right on ! Thanx✌️
I'm sure you figured it out already, but just in case.... that was a FLIP camera.
Question for you: Is Mitch in a box? Yes, he gets lots of solos. But they almost invariably showcase his upper range, (Amazing Grace is a big exception.). His most recent Messer release has him singing a couple of octaves below his PTX usual, and some of the big Mitch fans are _very_ displeased. So is he being kept in a box in PTX? Just a thought I had after hearing "Leather." ANYWAY: All the Trio wear contacts or glasses. Mitch wore glasses pretty often even onscreen in the early days. Kirstin seems to switch off pretty often as well: in these later stages of her pregnancy, she's seen wearing them frequently unless she's out with Hausdo. I've seen Scott with them so seldom in recent years that I wonder if he's had Lasik.
I agree with your first Mitch option but my second favorite is when they first were on the show. But any Mitch is great just like all the others. Perfectly them.
they were trying to get recognized after being dropped if I am correct
Lol...correct. PBS didn't deserve them. Yeah...you were blown away.
My fave look is Mullet Mitch. I don't care for the 'stashe either. It makes him look exactly like his Dad. Somewhere in the Superfruit videos is a video of Mitch, Mitch's dad and Scott trying to teach Mitch's dad gay terminology. It shows just how like his dad he is.