Thank you so much for making this video, I just had to read art and objecthood for a class and my brain was melting, but you summed it up really clearly and concisely
I didn't understand the theory behind minimalism until, like you, had to study the criticism of Michael Fried. Art and Objecthood and Specific Objects inspired me to write an academic paper on Donald Judd in grad school. Thanks for explaining this in under 9 minutes.
Thank you so much. I’m reading this book by David Hopkins and I don’t understand why he made everything sound super complicated! After watching your video, I can finally understand Fried’s viewpoint!
That's really good. It's worth noting that in 1960, the Brazilian critic Ferreira Gullar published "Teoria do não-Objeto" (Theory of the Non-Object) as an attempt to deal with the work of neo-concrete artists such as Lygia Clark, Hélio Oiticica, Almicar de Castro, among others. It's an excellent text and well worth a read. Perhaps if Fried had read Ferreira Gullar and not Grrenberg, he wouldn't have had that lonely ending (in the video), haha.
When I did a paper on the abstract expressionist sculptor, David Smith, I found that after Smith died in a car crash, Clement Greenberg had the paint stripped off several of Smith's works to be more _aesthetically_ pleasing. This resulted in the warping of several of David Smith's works. Greenberg's judgement was often questionable. Reference: Serra, R. (1991). Art and Censorship. Critical Inquiry, 17(3), 574-581.
Joana França sim. mas a síntese é muito boa. Tem um outro só sobre o Greenberg, nesse mesmo estilo, também com uma síntese muito boa. Mas acho que foi feito por outra pessoa. :/
Minimalism and conceptualism were largely sham art movements, though many gullible critics and fans have embraced them uncritically. In time these will fall out of fashion, and likely Fried's more rigorous, sophisticated, and compelling views regarding what is significant in art will be recognized for their enduring insights/relevance.
@@JordanService Yes, I agree. I believe there is a kind of cyclical logic to art, much as there is in fashion, and so it makes perfect sense that minimalism and conceptualism (and pop) would follow AbEx painting (though, of course this transition occurred roughly 60 years ago). There's also a bit of an "anxiety of influence" component here--kill the father, etc. Though, for all of the emphasis on conceptual art--and the apotheosis of Duchamp in recent decades--I think artists and viewers are gravitating back to painting, and material-based mediums. There seems to be an explosion of of painters, photographers, printmakers, graphic artists, etc. throughout the global art world. Which isn't to say they aren't informed in some ways by conceptualism. Also, there is a practical/economic factor that continues to drive these more "traditional" mediums--namely, artists need to have some means of supporting themselves, something to sell, and paintings, photographs, etc. are easily commodified. Even conceptual artists/or environmental artists like Christo and Jean-Claude sold preparatory sketches and photographs of their work, which is how they funded their projects.
A nice high-level summary that nevertheless gets various important details wrong (e.g., Noland certainly not a Minimalist, as another commenter has already observed). I would argue that this video misunderstands Fried's critique of theatricality. Also, I think the reference to Fried's subsequent "boring" art histories 1) reveals a rather flippant disregard for a very influential body of work (no matter how one feels about it/him) and 2) fails to appreciate the close (albeit complex) relationship between the author's art historical writing and his earlier criticism.
Slightly off topic - but I can't stand the bombastic and pretentious use of suffixes like "theatricality", ""materiality" bandied around, particularly in postgrad art history seminars (yawn...), when 99.9% of the time "theatrical" and "material" would have done just fine.
I trust more thousands of years of artistic production ,then 30 years of some trust fund american snob. Art is not " freedom" to do whatever your want, art has a goal. And how to achieve that goal is up to us and interpret it.
Thank you so much for making this video, I just had to read art and objecthood for a class and my brain was melting, but you summed it up really clearly and concisely
Writing an essay on Fried and was really struggling. You saves my ass. Thank you!
The best RUclips video Ending I've ever seen. Thank you ❤
I didn't understand the theory behind minimalism until, like you, had to study the criticism of Michael Fried. Art and Objecthood and Specific Objects inspired me to write an academic paper on Donald Judd in grad school. Thanks for explaining this in under 9 minutes.
Thank you so much. I’m reading this book by David Hopkins and I don’t understand why he made everything sound super complicated! After watching your video, I can finally understand Fried’s viewpoint!
Doing my essay for my first year in fine art!! Thanks! :D
That's really good. It's worth noting that in 1960, the Brazilian critic Ferreira Gullar published "Teoria do não-Objeto" (Theory of the Non-Object) as an attempt to deal with the work of neo-concrete artists such as Lygia Clark, Hélio Oiticica, Almicar de Castro, among others. It's an excellent text and well worth a read. Perhaps if Fried had read Ferreira Gullar and not Grrenberg, he wouldn't have had that lonely ending (in the video), haha.
My brain was totally scrambled, you know how to get the message across👍🏻👏🏻
Thank you from the bottom of my heart thank you
You forgot that part where he straight up starts supporting Minimalism per the advice of Robert Morris
Idk why people r shitting on this video so helpful thanks so much for making this
lol this is hilarious and very useful. Brava gurl
This is absolutely fantastic. Great work!!!
Thank you for making this :)
Very helpful. Thanks.
When I did a paper on the abstract expressionist sculptor, David Smith, I found that after Smith died in a car crash, Clement Greenberg had the paint stripped off several of Smith's works to be more _aesthetically_ pleasing. This resulted in the warping of several of David Smith's works. Greenberg's judgement was often questionable.
Reference:
Serra, R. (1991). Art and Censorship. Critical Inquiry, 17(3), 574-581.
LOL I love your illos. Thanks for this.
Painting started to be about putting paint on canvas since manet guys
this was great i hate fried his views on literally anything are bothering me sm
Your illustrations blow
who made that video?
Só sei que não foi um desenhista
Joana França sim. mas a síntese é muito boa. Tem um outro só sobre o Greenberg, nesse mesmo estilo, também com uma síntese muito boa. Mas acho que foi feito por outra pessoa. :/
rude
Wonderful teaching tool. However, kenneth Noland is in no way a minimalist painter. He is a modernist.
@@chenriquesiqueira Shhh .... ehm this is " pretty balanced ".
Minimalism and conceptualism were largely sham art movements, though many gullible critics and fans have embraced them uncritically. In time these will fall out of fashion, and likely Fried's more rigorous, sophisticated, and compelling views regarding what is significant in art will be recognized for their enduring insights/relevance.
I think conceptual art is the current champion of the Modern art tradition... otherwise I would agree.
@@JordanService Yes, I agree. I believe there is a kind of cyclical logic to art, much as there is in fashion, and so it makes perfect sense that minimalism and conceptualism (and pop) would follow AbEx painting (though, of course this transition occurred roughly 60 years ago). There's also a bit of an "anxiety of influence" component here--kill the father, etc.
Though, for all of the emphasis on conceptual art--and the apotheosis of Duchamp in recent decades--I think artists and viewers are gravitating back to painting, and material-based mediums. There seems to be an explosion of of painters, photographers, printmakers, graphic artists, etc. throughout the global art world. Which isn't to say they aren't informed in some ways by conceptualism. Also, there is a practical/economic factor that continues to drive these more "traditional" mediums--namely, artists need to have some means of supporting themselves, something to sell, and paintings, photographs, etc. are easily commodified. Even conceptual artists/or environmental artists like Christo and Jean-Claude sold preparatory sketches and photographs of their work, which is how they funded their projects.
Ironic that the guy who claimed "art only needed to be interesting" (Judd), created work that was consistently uninteresting.
Except for... Why Photography Matters as Arts as Never Before...
Forgot that part.
Not that simple. 'Presence is grace'.
"presentness" is what Fried determined was "grace"
A nice high-level summary that nevertheless gets various important details wrong (e.g., Noland certainly not a Minimalist, as another commenter has already observed). I would argue that this video misunderstands Fried's critique of theatricality. Also, I think the reference to Fried's subsequent "boring" art histories 1) reveals a rather flippant disregard for a very influential body of work (no matter how one feels about it/him) and 2) fails to appreciate the close (albeit complex) relationship between the author's art historical writing and his earlier criticism.
Slightly off topic - but I can't stand the bombastic and pretentious use of suffixes like "theatricality", ""materiality" bandied around, particularly in postgrad art history seminars (yawn...), when 99.9% of the time "theatrical" and "material" would have done just fine.
I trust more thousands of years of artistic production ,then 30 years of some trust fund american snob. Art is not " freedom" to do whatever your want, art has a goal. And how to achieve that goal is up to us and interpret it.
Sophistry over paint splashes verse boxes... tedious!!! Clearly no Plinian Apelles in dialogue with a tailor behind a curtain happening here.
Change your tone I'm dying
Nice explanation, but the vocal fry is unbearable, sorry to say.
Awful voice, sry just criticism
Terrible name.