Ingemisco (Verdi) : Caruso, Bjorling, Corelli, Pavarotti (with on screen translations to English)
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- Ingemisco is from the Requiem Mass composed by Giuseppe Verdi (1813 to 1901).
0:00 Enrico Caruso 7th Jan 1915
4:21 Jussi Bjorling 12th Oct 1938
8:29 Franco Corelli 1963
12:50 Luciano Pavarotti 1980?
I uploaded separately another nice recording of this piece by Beniamino Gigli and if you wanted to watch that video the link to it is • Beniamino Gigli : Inge...
If you are comparing the recordings please remember that Caruso's was made by purely mechanical means,10 years years before the use of microphones or electrical equipment of any sort. The accompaniment was by a small group of studio musicians rather than a large orchestra
I have tried to get the best possible audio quality from the Caruso and Bjorling recordings but the Corelli and Pavarotti are, of course relatively modern stereo recordings.
Just to give a "live" effect and a smooth transition between tracks, I have added applause.
0:00 Enrico Caruso 7th Jan 1915
4:21 Jussi Bjorling 12th Oct 1938
8:29 Franco Corelli 1963
12:50 Luciano Pavarotti 1980?
@@angelagarjoaba1215 Thanks for listening and for your comment Angela. It's interesting to know that Pavarotti is your favourite but I would love to know if Bruno has a favourite!!
Che che se ne dica Caruso e sempre il migliore specialmente in questa romanza per timbro e per portamento.
@@angelobianco1462 Thanks for listening and for your comment Angelo.
@@JoeBozman It's my pleasure Joe, thank you for listening and for your interesting comment.
My teacher asked me if I wanted to work on this beautiful song. I laughed. "Bjorling's version is untouchable."
Bjorling's version is sublime.
I may work on this at some point, but I will only reference Jussi's version with the knowledge that it will nevee be equalled.
Thanks for listening and for your comment.
Jussi Bjorling: spun gold and unmistakable sound.
If you love Jussi Bjorling, you are in good company. There is the Jussi Bjorling Society US where you can share your love of him with other fans and aficionados! But that was also the best sound of an Enrico Caruso recording I have ever heard.
Thanks for listening and for your comment Vicki and particularly for mentioning the Caruso recording. Most listeners don't notice, or at least don't mention the improved sound so it's always encouraging to occasionally receive a message such as yours.
Three tenors share first place in my list of favourites, Caruso, McCormack and, of course ,Jussi. I've restored/remastered quite a few of Jussi's recordings and they are on a playlist if you wanted to have a listen sometime ruclips.net/video/YIbgqRoGc6M/видео.html
A particular favourite that you might enjoy is O Helga Natt.
ruclips.net/video/juGPcku2Ghc/видео.html
Thanks again for listening.
Jussi Bjorling's singing is exquisite. I doubt if anyone has ever, before or since, matched his version of Igemisco. I think Pavarotti is the closest we get to Bjorling. Wonderful to hear these great singers.
Thanks for listening and for your comment Diarmuid I'm glad that you enjoyed the video.
Bjorling owns this for sure. Listen to the middle section starting at around 6:50. The soft dynamics at this moment are especially outstanding. His last studio recording was the entire Requiem & he was still in magnificent form. I like Corelli’s rendition with musical reservations. His LIVE performance, & his only complete Verdi Requiem, from 1967 is a more polished piece of singing.
Thanks for listening and for your comment Peter.
Amazing to compare Bjoerling in 1938 to the one with Reiner in the late 50s. Almost identical. No deterioration or the usual signs of wear and tear or age. Fantastic!
Thanks for listening to this one as well Jef.
@@michaelmcgrailengland these are what I live for! Lol
Bjorling, la voz de tenor más bella que ha existido.
Thanks for listening and for your comment Alberto.
Porque es la que más le gusta a usted. Parece que no ha escuchado muchas voces bellas de tenor, así que escuche a Kurt Behofschitz, Beniamino Gigli, Leopold Simoneau, Henri Legay, Giuseppe di Stefano o Fritz Wunderlich, y escuchara voces tan bellas como la de Björling. Un tenor de voz bellísima que también grabó Ingemisco fue Alfred Piccaver. No hay un tenor con la voz más bella, sino tenores con las voces más bellas. Saludos,
Bjorling is my favorite in this comparison! Glorious singing!
Thanks for listening Phyllis, I'm glad that you enjoyed it. It's another of those that i wish John McCormack had recorded.
@@michaelmcgrailengland I agree 100%, Michael! There are many songs/arias that I would have loved hearing John McCormack sing! But, I am grateful for what he did record! Have a wonderful 2021!!
@@phyllisramsey9531 Thanks Phyllis, very best wishes to you for 2021.
I've been in love with Bjorling since I was a child. Shear perfection ❤ I am now 70 WOW
I'm catching up to you! I'm 68 yrs old and I still think Bjorling had a glorious tenor voice!!
Bjorling, siempre Bjorling. Dios mío, que versión más extraordinaria, deja atrás al resto. Junto a gigli han sido las voces más bellamente timbradas del siglo xx y del presente.
Thanks for listening and for your comment Ana.
This is one of the arias owned by Björling. No one can match him here! 100% straight through!
Thanks for listening and for your comment.
Pavarotti does that and some 1966 Karajan, and, 1980 avery fisher hall Mehta. Loads of other occasions too...but, it's down to choice, they all have something unique.
Bjorlings voice is gorgeous, but then I am biased in his favour. Everything he sang sounded amazing to me!
Yes he's really the best, theres also an incredible good stereo Recording with Björling of this aria, can't remember right now with which orchestra thou.
Enrico Caruso - il Re tra i tenori.
Tra Corelli , Pava e Björling dal vivo la voce più bella aveva l’ultimo di questi tre tenori.
Con la sua vocalità limpida e ricca di armonici Björling tagliava il teatro in due !
Grandissimo Björling!
❤️🌹
il vecchio
Thanks for listening and for your comment.
Jussi is absolutely the best of them all!🥰
Thanks for listening Olof. I uploaded a Jussi Bjorling concert recently that you might like. The link to it is ruclips.net/video/8Q6wzHQFDVE/видео.html
Ingemisco is one of Björling's absolute top numbers. Everyone here is fantastic but none of the others get really close to Björling here. His beautiful voice, unbroken line, feeling and dramatic vein are right in the bull's eye here. Verdi nods in agreement down there ......
Thanks for listening and for your comment. I love Jussi's recording, of course, but I think that if Caruso had benefited from a large orchestra and modern recording technology his would have had a much more impressive sound and would have been a strong contender for first place.
Surely God will have forgiven a man who wrote such wonderful music.
@@michaelmcgrailengland Caruso's recording would have had a much more impressive sound yes but there is still nothing that suggest that his song would fully sound as good as Björling's. He is absolutely perfect in this.
Yes it’s my no 1, although I loved Caruso’s very different version.
I agree
Absolutely
Just a couple of comments: of course, Jussi B. recorded the complete Verdi Requiem in 1960 and the Ingemisco there is much different as well as recorded in Stereo; I love them both, and for me the versions by diStefano, Pavarotti and others are almost as good! When Bjorling went to Vienna to record his complete Requiem with Fritz Reiner, Leontyne Price et al., his 17-year old daughter daughter went with him and listened to all the sessions. While listening to Jussi record the Ingemisco, she was struck by the idea, "who is this singing? It's so incredibly beautiful!" She knew is voice well, but for a brief interval it seemed more gorgeous than ever! (from the bio. JUSSI).
Thanks for listening and for your comment Daniel.
Yes, the few stereo recordings Jussi made are superb and. as you probably know, he and Nils Gevillius had plans to re-record, in stereo, some of his old mono recordings.
Actually, I recently uploaded a video, that you might enjoy, with six arias that he recorded in stereo on 19th Sept 1957. If you wanted to watch the video the link is
ruclips.net/video/TWIZVE80dwA/видео.html
Wonderful. What a splendid restoration of Caruso's 1915 recording you present for our enjoyment.
I see that you have already found more that you like, thanks for listening
Michael,
diese ganzen Vergleiche haben mAn. ein *großes Problem!* Die Aufnahmen mit qualitativ völlig unterschiedlicher Technik führen zu ungewollter, jedoch subjektiv nicht auszuschließender Voreingenommenheit bei dem Anhören der Stimmen. Natürlich versucht jeder Hörer, das gedanklich zu berücksichtigen. Es gelingt aber nur wenig, weil der Effekt einer guten Wiedergabe überwältigend sein kann. Daher soll mindestens die Caruso-Aufnahme wiedergabetechnisch weiter optimiert werden, damit die 'Sprungbretter des Vergleichs' einigermaßen fair sind. Die Aufnahmen ohne Mikrofon in einer Sitzung sind sehr schwierig, wenn nur ein Trichter vor einem hängt, in den hineingesungen werden muss! Das darf bei EC nie vergessen werden. Um die Brillanz der Wiedergabe etwas zu steigern, rate ich daher, die schon gut restaurierte Aufnahme mittels eines EQ dem menschlichen Gehör physiologisch besser anzupassen durch ('persönliche') Klangbeeinflussung auf der eigenen Verstärkeranlage.
Meine *EMPFEHLUNG* der
EQUALIZER *- Anpassung*
'zu Ehren *E. Caruso'*
(classical modified)
-11,8 dB (60Hz)
-13,8 dB (230Hz)
-15,0 dB (910Hz)
-15,0 dB (4kHz)
+15,0 dB (14kHz)
Der Eintrag wurde ergänzt, weil es sehr unterschiedliche EQ gibt. Profis wissen das. Er bezieht sich hier allgemein auf eine 'Bass Booster' App 🎧 ohne Zuschalten des BASS BOOST. Die meisten gehen ja heute mit *Bluetooth* an ihrem Gerät richtig um (der BBoost selbst ist vorsichtig zu verwenden, falls man ihn nutzt!).
Compatibility Mode. Evtl 'Sound Field *'FLAT'.* Texte oder Begleitung bitte beachten; da wird die Auswirkung sofort klar.
I think at the top level personal preference plays a part -one voice will call to you above all others and it will become the pattern you judge the others by-as you know my choice is Bjorling . Thank you for a wonderful start to 2021 -if it keeps on this way it will be superb-Happy 2021 to you and yours
That's so nice, thank you Marian, I'm really pleased that you like the video. My favourite is also Jussi but I love Caruso and so wish that his recordings had been in Hi Fi with a big orchestra to give him an even chance when comparing.
Like you I have my favourites but really my only aim with my RUclips videos is to help to preserve the memory of at least some of the great singers and musicians of the past.
Thanks for your support over the past year and very best wishes to you and yours for 2021.
You're right. It is all matter of taste, but as long as this song concerned, Bjorling's is a textbook for all the vocal students.
Im going to agree with the majority and score it thus:
Bjoerling
Pavarotti
Caruso
Corelli.
Many thanks, Four World Top Singers, but to me Jussi Björling is outstanding here ;I agree fully with@suffes1
1 year ago - This is one of the arias owned by Björling. !
Thanks also for listening to this one. Jussi's recording is wonderful (with Caruso a close second ).
Thank you Michael for another amazing selection! I’m amazed that Caruso’s voice in spite of the old technique sounds soooo wonderful!!
It's my pleasure Neus, thank you for listening, I'm glad that you like this one. Yes, Caruso had a lovely deep, rich tone to his voice that sets him apart from other tenors.
What really surprise me in Jussi's singing is he produces such a clear and natural voice with extreme easiness in middle and low range as well as in high range. This truly is a rare ability that we can see among no tenors but Jussi. Listen the last part of Ingemisco how beautifully he moves to the last note from the prior high Bb without annoying portamento.
Thanks for listening and for your comment.
You're right about the rare ability of Jussi to produce such remarkabls tones. Listen too to Enrico's thrilling emotional reading of this music.
Verdi makes even Corelli sound good.
@@shirleyrombough8173 you display lack of elegance when making such a nasty comment about an iconic tenor that has contributed so much into our beloved art of singing and drama. Don’t do that.
I was reluctant to report the incident, since the individual is deceased and is believed by many to have had an outstanding tenor voice. I had heard more than once about the incident in O Suave Fanciulla I thoutght it was legitimate to report it. Perhaps not, given your comment. I still am not sure.
I watched (and listened to) this video two times in a row, because it offered so much... even distraction! I tried to take in everything at once: the gorgeous singing, the wonderful pictures, the interesting subtitles to the pictures... Well, never mind another click...
It‘s hard to tell which rendition I like best... apart from being a matter of personal taste, the four singers have very different voices and different assets... For me personally (just my humble opinion) Jussi gets the top ranking, because his singing is extremely refined, the beauty of a human voice combined with a perfect vocal technique... Most listeners will probably vote for Caruso... Strangely, I always admired him, but gave my heart to other singers... that is, perhaps, because he was put on a pedestal - and that‘s where I see him, way up high, but just a little out of reach...
Thank you, Michael, once more you did an incredible job!
The pleasure's all mine Harriet, I'm glad that you like the video.
I certainly agree with you about Jussi's wonderful singing but have always loved Caruso and wish that the audio quality on his recordings was equal to the more modern recordings so that a fair comparison could be made.
I've just had a comment on the O holy Night comparison video from a 102 year old gentleman who saw Jussi live several times and who's father saw Caruso!!!
@Michael McGrail
Regarding your admiration for Caruso you certainly are in very good company!!! I, too, admire him greatly - it‘s just that pedestal thing that seems to push him away a little - to unreachable heights not only for generations of tenors, but also for „my loving heart“ that wants to embrace its favorite singers fully... It‘s hard to explain myself, would be hard even in a language I‘m more at home with (my native language)... The quality of the Caruso recording has been greatly improved by your considerable skills, which definitely adds even more pleasure for the keen listener...
It must have been an impressive experience to actually see and hear the former greats in a live performance...! Alas, the number of those who can claim this is decreasing more and more. It’s so fascinating and entiching to listen to their stories, portrayals, memories... I‘m downright nostalgic, not only when it comes to singers (also movies), most of the singers who are so tremendously popular right now don‘t capture my interest, and I loved to listen to the stories my sadly deceased voice teacher told me about famous singers he met and unforgettable performances he saw. I will miss him until the end of my days... but that‘s an entirely different story and has nothing to do with the wonderful singers we were talking about. Better stop babbling now...
As always all the best and kindest regards!!!
@@hrbooksmusic7878 Thanks for your message Harriet, I'm still immersed in the video I mentioned to you. Just about everything is already on RUclips and I only upload mine if I think they sound at least a little better than those already there.
People do tend to put Caruso on a pedestal but from what I've read he seems to have been a nice ordinary person. He was a good friend of John McCormack who, like most tenors at the time I suppose, aspired to be another Caruso. When they met one day McCormack said to Caruso "How is the world's greatest tenor today" and in reply Caruso said "Since when did McCormack become a baritone".
I've liked the old singers and musicians since I was young but in those days it seemed reasonably normal as they were still generally popular and played on the radio, unlike today.
That's enough for now, my typing finger has had enough,
All the best, Michael.
@Michael McGrail
First of all, there‘s a heartfelt „get well soon“ for your typing finger... and then, of course, many thanks for all the efforts it made just to come up with such a nice and detailed answer...
About this pedestal thing again: I never thought that Caruso put himself - or saw himself - up there! I read his biography (the one his wife Dorothy wrote) two or three times, when I was younger... much younger, actually... and I loved it! So in my imagination he was very down-to-earth, very likable, and blessed with a great sense of humor. This pedestal image came up when I realized that for quite a lot of music lovers he became the untouchable idol, that these fans immediately shouted „blasphemy“ as soon as anyone dared to admit that for whatever reason they preferred another tenor. Therefore my sincere apologies go to Mr Caruso, together with my deepest respect, because it‘s not his fault at all that somehow, someday, I started to feel a little estranged...
I loved this little episode about Caruso and McCormack. Judging from the biography, this just sounds - and feels - like him. Caruso.
An amiable man, not doubt. And a hell of a good singer!
Now I look forward to your next video!!! I‘m sure it will turn out fine! So don‘t worry! You have a knack for this sort of thing! Even if it takes a little longer, in the end you‘ll come out with the best quality ever for the recordings you are working on! 🎼🎵🎶🎶🎶
Besides all the work: Have a wonderful evening! Best regards!!!
@@hrbooksmusic7878 You mentioned the Dorothy Caruso biography and I bought a copy of that on EBay a few months ago. Some of the pictures I put on my Caruso videos come from it. I also bought Caruso His Life In Pictures recently. I borrowed it from the Library 50 to 60 years ago and again was lucky enough to find that on EBay.
By the way I'm glad that you enjoyed your holiday in England there are some nice places to visit. I live in Yorkshire and love walking in the Yorkshire Dales and nearby Lake District, although my knees are currently threatening to put an end to that.Enjoy what's left of the day, All the best, Michael.
Me quedo con la versión de Bjorling:potente,angelical con la precisión de un reloj suizo:perfecta.
Thanks for listening and for your comment Eduardo.
Brilliant! Great montage of these outstanding Tenors. BRAVO Michael macgrail.👍👏👏👏👏👏🇮🇪.
Thanks for listening Isaiah , very pleased that you enjoyed it.
All these wonderful tenors! My choice is although Bjorling. Totally effortless. You should listen to his Cujus Animam from Rossinis Stabat Mater. Pavarotti once got the question how he compared himself to Bjorling. Pavarottis answer: "Please, I'm only human".
Thanks for listening and for your comment Eva. I uploaded a video a few months ago with a newly restored and improved version of Jussi's 1938 recording of Cujus animam. If you want to listen the link is ruclips.net/video/OCM1uU4VFTM/видео.html
Thank you for your reply. I want to push for another amazing artist. Ingvar Wixell. I will shortly publish Rigoletto on this web site. Pavarotti as the Herzog. Edita Gruberva as Gilda and Ingvar Wixell as Rigoletto.
ruclips.net/video/DygE8vlcU4Y/видео.htmlsi=HHBRb_8aIBEnX-n8
Wonderful, thank you! I really really try to be impartial... But... Again and again to me it's Björling. He had me at the first bar.
It's a pleasure Sandra, I'm glad that you like the video, and I'm not at all surprised at your choice!!
Ficamos tão embevecidos com esses quatro gigantes cantando que nos esquecemos de pensar em quem escreveu essa maravilha que lhes proporcionou mostrar suas vozes em toda sua plenitude. Viva Verdi!!!
Thanks for listening and for your comment.
Grandi tutti quanti...Voci bellissime. Grazie di potere ascoltarle.
It's my pleasure Massimo, thank you for listening, I'm glad that you enjoyed the video.
Me quedo con Bjoerling, maravilloso!
Good choice. Bjorling and Caruso are my own favourites.
The vocal line of Bjorling here is unmatched even better than Caruso who is almost never beaten.
Thanks for listening and for your comment John.
Bjorling always sings with an innate simplicity and that matchless ringing tone in his voice But all these performances are great -given a choice I'll take them all as each is great in its own way .
@@ronnieince4568 Thanks for listening and for your comment Ronnie and I couldn't agree with you more.
Jussi Bjorling had an amazing vocal ability that put him in a class of his own. Incredibly beautiful voice.
Bei JB besteht an manchen Stellen der Eindruck großer Anstrengung (was ja sicher auch so ist), was EC meist vermeiden kann (und will).
This is a prayer. When I approach the throne of God (if I make it past St Peter at the gate, that is) I hope the one to plead for me is Bjorling. Oh Happy Day: tonight he is giving a concert, and it lasts forever.
Thanks for listening John, I'm sure that your wish will be granted (and please reserve a seat for me at the concert--- a few years from now, hopefully!!!!)
Jussi Björling ❤
Thanks for listening and for your comment.
The winner here has to be Bjorling. His unfailing musicality and laser like notes are a miracle to listen to. IMHO I would place Caruso next,followed by Corelli. As for Pavarotti,his voice does not compare favourably with the other three.
Thanks for listening Owen and I fully agree with your assessment of the singers.As always, it's a shame that Caruso didn't have the advantage of the modern technology and accompaniment that the others have but at least we do have recordings of him thanks to the primitive technology of his day.
@@michaelmcgrailengland Thank you, Michael for uploading such beautiful music. Maybe you can upload the Gigli version sometime.
@@repr0bate1 I'ts a pleasure Owen, I'm really pleased that you enjoyed the video and I'll upload Gigli's 1939 recording soon.
@@michaelmcgrailengland Thank You Michael.
@@repr0bate1 What I think of as "the Gigli version" of Ingemisco is from the complete 1939 recording with Serafin conducting, and Pinza et al. It was reviewed by Irving Kolodin in the 1950s as the best overall version on about 12 78s; but he did advise to put Bjorling's 78 recording of the Ingemisco to play instead of Gigli's, whose version had too many sobs and groans, along with that gorgeous voice.
Jussi Björling all day 👊🏻
Thanks for listening D G, I agree with you but I also love Caruso's recording which unfortunately is degraded by the primitive non-electric recording
methods of those far off days.
What a voice he had!
Björling is unparalleled, completely!!
Thanks for listening and for your comment.
Pavarotti é melhor!
@@miriaminesphilippi6463 not even close. But taste differs as many things in life.
Para mi la mejor version...por mucho, es la de Bjorling.
Thanks for listening and for your comment Eduardo.
Bjorling n° 1! Top class tenor
Thanks for listening and for your comment Carlo.
Michael it is interesting that in this INGEMISCO there is both a similarity in timbre & interpretative approach between Bjorling & Caruso. This was not usually apparent to me in other examples from their respective Repertoire although it was well known how much the former revered the latter & perhaps consciously or not even occasionally might have SLIGHTLY sought to emulate the great Neapolitan. It was also upon first hearing
Caruso’s rendition of the Tosti gem L’ALBA SEPARA DALLA LUCE L’OMBRA that Jussi was so taken with this song that he immediately set out to learn it. Whatever imitation might have been a motivation for this was of negligible significance since both tenors sing it magnificently but with different results. In this piece the contrast between Caruso’s developing full spinto sound & Jussi’s more lyric voice is more noticeable IMO.
Returning to the INGEMISCO here, this may be the particular 1938 recording I was referring to. At about the 2 minute & 32 second point is the magical pianissimo moment I had mentioned earlier. There are I believe 2 INGEMISCO’s from Jussi from this year.
Thanks for your message Peter.. I love both the Caruso and Bjorling recordings of Ingemisco and I think that apart, of course, from the very different accompaniment and audio quality, they are very similar and it's not surprising that Jussi tried to emulate Enrico.
You mention L'alba separa one of my absolute favoutites by both Caruso and Bjorling, it's a wonderful song and both do it full justice. I was doing something in the kitchen one day with music playing in the lounge and L'alba separa came on. I was too far away to distinguish recording noise or quality and I was sure it was Caruso singing but when I went into the lounge it was Bjorling. I'm not trying to promote my videos but I did upload one that you might like with three tenors singing L'alba separa, (Schipa, Bjorling and Caruso) so I'll send you one last link
ruclips.net/video/YicAXrCwAeI/видео.html
It's really useful and easy to do links (it had to be easy for me to master it) and I'll send you the procedure tomorrow.
The Bjorling Ingemisco is definitely from 1938 ( same day as Cujus animan) and I can't see another studio recording in 1938 in the discography that I have, so it's probably the recording that you were thinking of.
Just in case you didn't get my earlier message
Very best wishes for the New Year from Yorkshire.
Jussi's father David Björling took singing lessons for Caruso from what I've heard. So it's not surprising that Jussi Björling has been influenced by that same Caruso "School", since David probably was the biggest influencer in young Jussis life, taking vocal lessons from his father since he was a very small boy!
Difficult to choose. Corelli sounds pleasantly subdued and I was truly touched. I liked him better in a way than Pavarotti though Pavs recording is more majestic with eco and such. But it was a bit much really. As for Björling and Caruso, who will take 1st place? Carusos even tone and that almost supernatural legato is awsome, not to mention the thick texture in his "barytenorial" voice. As for Björling he sings with feeling and the sheer beauty of his high notes is celestial. They must share 1st place.
Thanks for listening Dubbel, I completely agree with you and I think that if Caruso had had a High Fidelity sound with a large modern orchestra, he might just have been the winner.
Derjenige der diese wunderbare Partie am schönsten für meine Ohren gesungen hat ist FRITZ WUNDERLICH!!
LG aus Montreal, Qc, Canada
Hello Inge, thanks for listening. Yes the Fritz Wunderlich recording is excellent, I wish now that I had included it on the video.
@@michaelmcgrailengland
It is very nice of you to say so. Thank you and have a lovely day.
@@ingemayodon5128 Thanks for your message Inge, I hope that you also have a lovely day.
Thank you @Michael McGrail for this video. In my opinion, here n. 1 is Jussi Bjorling. I personally think that one of the milestones for this piece are the Pavarotti executions with Karajan at La Scala in 1967 or with Abbado in 1970.
The pleasure's all mine, thanks for listening, I'm glad that you enjoyed the video.
I'm not sure if I have heard the Pavarotti recordings that you mention, I'll have to search them out.
@@michaelmcgrailengland ruclips.net/video/tIVlXbJNNuQ/видео.html
totally agree Pavarotti singing with Karajan was miraculous...at times i thought i was listening to Bjorling
Bella sfida.
Allora, secondo me come acuto finale:
1) Bjorling (squillo e lunghezza eccellenti come sempre)
2) Corelli (stiamo lì, rimpiango di non averlo sentito dal vivo)
3) Caruso
4) Pavarotti
Come bellezza di voce:
1) Caruso ( il timbro caldo lo fa apparire come l'unico vero uomo)
2) Pavarotti
3 pari merito Bjorling e Corelli.
Come canto (fraseggio):
1) Bjorling
2) Pavarotti*
3 pari merito Caruso e Corelli.
*C'è da dire che qui Pavarotti mi sembra non al top. Hai fatto bene però a mettere questa per lui, è genuina.
Grazie molte!
It's my pleasure Antonio, thank you for listening and for your comment, I'm really pleased that you enjoyed the video.
Meine *EMPFEHLUNG* der
EQUALIZER *- Anpassung*
'zu Ehren *E. Caruso'*
(classical modified)
-11,8 dB (60Hz)
-13,8 dB (230Hz)
-15,0 dB (910Hz)
-15,0 dB (4kHz)
+15,0 dB (14kHz)
Der Eintrag wurde ergänzt, weil es sehr unterschiedliche EQ gibt. Profis wissen das. Er bezieht sich hier allgemein auf eine 'Bass Booster' App 🎧 ohne Zuschalten des BASS BOOST. Die meisten gehen ja heute mit *Bluetooth* an ihrem Gerät richtig um (der BBoost selbst ist vorsichtig zu verwenden, falls man ihn nutzt).
Compatibility Mode. Evtl 'Sound Field *'FLAT'.* Texte oder Begleitung bitte beachten; es wird dann sofort klar. EC ohne Mikrofon !
Every song needs proper tempo, sound and emotion.
If I were Verdi , I would choosed Caruso.
Biorling is brilliant, Corelli is lovely, Pavarotti is smart.
Caruso is dignity.
Thanks for listening. Yes, they are all good in their own way and I would not like to have to choose between Caruso and Bjorling.
Encore! Magnificent post. Congratulations.⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Thanks for listening again and for your kind words Rosa, keep healthy and happy.
@@michaelmcgrailenglandThank you!! The same goes for you and your loved ones. Best regards.
Para mí el orden en que figuran las grabaciones es el orden de suprema calidad vocal de los tenores que aquí figuran. Caruso es un fenómeno voca y Bjorling la voz más hermosa de tenor que ha existido, amén de un equilibrio vocal excepcional.
Thanks for listening and for your comment Alberto.
Let's face it, these are all great. But my clear pick is Bjorling, followed by Pavarotti, and then the others, with Caruso bringing up the rear.
Thanks for listening and for your comment Patrick.
Pavarotti...seguido de Bjorling...❤❤
You do an excellent job on your video montages. It does take a lot of work to compile videos, thanks for the effort. Corelli here is incredible, people don't realize how much more control it takes for his heavy voice to achieve this sound. He had a voice of great powerful and great beauty as well, an extremely rare combination. He was very authentic. His squillo is not of this world. Of course this works very well for Björling, Pavarotti is slightly one dimensional.
Thanks for watching the video and for your comment, I'm glad that you appreciate the photos, I do spend a lot of time on them, particularly since I started colourizing.
I spend much more time restoring and improving the sound of the audio on the older mono recordings but, unfortunately this usually goes un noticed as most people listen through laptop speakers or small earphones that don't reproduce the sound very well.
Thanks again for listening.
This is a very interesting comment. I am learning so much from other listeners, and your thoughts are much appreciated.
Why we have to make rankings about everything, even about great artists with miraculous voices like these legendary tenors from the past!?!?!? Having favorites is acceptable, but making rankings is senseless in my most humbled opinion and is not appropriate way of thinking about art among people who know and understand art.
Hello Bozidar, thanks for listening and for your comment.
I agree with you about rankings, but as you say, we all have our favourites for one reason or another. However, the main reason that I upload compilations is not so that listeners can rank the singers but to try to introduce them to the great singers of the distant past who are in danger of being forgotten. If a young person who had not heard of Caruso, for example, saw a video of him they probably wouldn't listen but if they saw one also featuring their own favourite, and for younger listeners that could well be Pavarotti, they might listen and thus be introduced to Caruso. I know that you are not a young listener (although you are to me as I'm 80) but you, yourself on the Una furtiva compilation remarked on John McCormack being a revelation to you which I took to mean that you had not heard him before..
I also do a lot of work on the older recordings to try to give them a more up-to-date sound that might make them more appealing to younger people and I've recently started to colourize the photos to make the singers look more like living people, not just museum pieces.
Thanks again for listening.
@@michaelmcgrailengland
Keep them coming friend; I'm enjoying every minute. :)
@@Jake-nk4wg That's just what I hope to do Jake, thanks for listening, I'm really pleased that you are enjoying the videos.
It's a human and American trait. Everything is ranked. But singing is hard to rank. Much relies on personal taste. For depth of expression, Caruso always takes the prize. Every word pregnant with meaning. Corelli had the most glorious sound, but does little with the text. This piece is as hard, or harder than any Verdi aria.
@@jefolson6989 Thanks for listening and for your comment Jef.
The first time I heard this was the Pavarotti recording....probably from the same LP as yours.....and I thought it was so wonderful I kept replaying it......Bjorling is also outstanding!!......great singing!!
Thanks for listening Mike, my own favourites from them are Caruso and Bjorling.
Like many listeners my favorites were Bjourling and Caruso. I would add Pavarotti and also di Stefano. Someone praised Bjourling for not using a lot of portamento. But p. is not always a bad thing. Wonderful the entire video.
In poker, this would be drawing four aces. And of course, the music is sublime.
Thanks for listening John, I'm glad that you enjoyed the video, but how could you not with such a winning hand!
Not Caruso's best record. But if any piece from any mass is to be sung like an opera aria, this is it. I prefer a cleaner version. Bjoerling and Pavarotti strike a good balance between operatic extroversion and religious reverence. Its a difficult piece. As difficult as any aria I can think of.
Pav's powerfull lyric voice😍💥
Thanks for listening and for your comment.
The best of the best!
Thanks for listening to this one as well Gemma.
All four singers are great singers and I don't feel that it would be fair for me to make comparisons as the earlier two recordings do not have the benefit of the recording technology available to the last two. All four singers bring their own unique style and interpretation to this most taxing aria and more than do it justice. Of course I do have my own favourite and I'm sure Michael that you are well aware whom that is! :)
Thanks for listening, I wonder which could be your favourite. I'll give it some thought and get backrto you later.
4 cantantes tan distintos. Todos excelentes. Voces más pequeñas y más lírica y otras mas grandes y heroicas. Caruso tiene todo pero también momentos no ricos vocalmente. Pavarotti una voz delicada dulce y armoniosa pero ayudado mucho por la tecnología. El gran Franco Corelli todo potencia con una dicción zezioza y más dura. Por último Jussi Bjorling una voz impecable con las notas en el lugar preciso y muchísima musicalidad. Tal vez una voz más pequeña pero perfecta.
Thanks for listening and for your comment Leonardo.
Esta es de estudio (Pavarotti), recomiendo la que es en vivo del 1967
@@Bulacio_Elias Thanks for listening and for your comment.
@@michaelmcgrailengland No problem, amazing video by the way
@@Bulacio_Elias Thank you, I'm really pleased that you enjoyed the video.
quattro bellissime interpretazioni con prevalenza delle prime tre
Thanks for listening and for your comment Virgilio.
Bjorling nettamente il migliore...
Thanks for listening and for your comment.
I have loved the Ingemisco for a very long time. When I was an undergraduate in the early 60's, the classical radio station I listened to in Boston signed off at midnight with the Ingemisco. At RUclips, I like the version with the young Pavoratti and von Karajan. I just listened to it 3 times, the 4 here twice, and the Gigli recording. Bjorling, Corelli, Gigli, and Pavoratti are great tenors with wonderful voices, but only Caruso matches the gravitas brought by the Pavoratti/Karajan interpretation.
Thanks for listening and for your comment Cary I'm glad that you enjoyed the video even though your favourite is missing.
Meiner Ansicht nach imitiert Pavarotti in dieser Aufnahme Caruso etwas..........? (Ist ja 'erlaubt')....
Troppo veloce Lucianone!
Caruso o melhor de todos
Thanks for listening and for your comment.
I adore all of these renditions, but my favourite in the Ingemisco is Di Stefano. And of course, Gigli, who is also not hear is among the greatest in this music.,
Thanks for listening and for your comment, I'm glad that you enjoyed the video even though Di Stefano and Gigli are missing. When I get time I intend to do this video again with coloured photos and will include them in that, they are also in my list of favourite tenors.
Listening again, yes, not keen on Corelli, never quite sure about him! Definitely Caruso and Jussi👏👏
Thanks for listening again Sheila. I'm not a fan of Corelli but a lot of people do like him so I include him in the compilations sometimes.
wonderfull.......my favourite is Franco Corelli. it`s very sad, that we dont have this from Mario Lanza. Appreciate your wonderfull Music
Thanks for listening Wolfgang, I'm glad that you enjoyed the video. Yes, I'll bet Mario would have made a good job of this one.
@@michaelmcgrailengland do you have Mario Lanza with: Ingemisco
@@Wolfgang1168 No I don't, I don't recall seeing it but I'll have a better look just in case.
@@michaelmcgrailengland I know just everything about Mario Lanza, but not the Song: Ingemisco
@@Wolfgang1168 I had a search on the internet but without success.
Lyrics
Ingemisco tamquam reus
Culpa rubet vultus meus
Supplicanti, supplicanti parce, Deus
Qui Mariam absolvisti
Et latronem exaudisti
Mihi quoque spem dedisti
Mihi quoque spem dedisti
Preces meae non sunt dignae
Sed tu bonus fac benigne
Ne perenni cremer igne
Inter oves locum praesta
Et ab haedis me sequestra
Inter oves locum praesta
Et ab haedis me sequestra
Statuens, statuens in parte dextra
Et ab haedis me sequestra
Statuens in parte dextra
.......
I groan, like the sinner that I am;
guilt reddens my face.
O God, spare the supplicant.
You who pardoned Mary
and heeded the thief
have given me hope as well.
have given me hope as well.
My prayers are unworthy,
but you who are good, in pity
let me not burn in the eternal fire.
Give me a place among the sheep
and separate me from the goats;
Give me a place among the sheep
and separate me from the goats;
let me stand at your right hand.
and separate me from the goats;
let me stand at your right hand.
@@Rosangela161 Thanks for setting out all the words Rosa Angela, it's a wonderful piece of music.
@@michaelmcgrailengland It is a pleasure to have access to so much beauty of music. Thanks. Thank you very much.
Я живу в Азербайджане. Отец моего мужа известный тенор Лютфияр Иманов. Вы очень удивитесь, но он поет практически все оперные арии на мировом уровне. Жизнь в период СССР не позволила ему ездить по миру и получить мировое признание. Я хочу переслать Вам его аудиозаписи, дайте мне пожалуйста свой электронный адрес, если конечно Вас это интересует
Thanks for listening and for your kind offer Eldara but, unfortunately, I'm unable to give you an email address.
Было бы очень интересно услышать.
Почему бы Вам не разместить эти записи на СВОЕМ канале?
Я знаю это имя. Мой отец был тенор. Пел в САВО. Ансамбль песни и пляски Среднеазиатского военного округа. Многие имена я знаю со слов отца
Caruso, una voz del más allá. Único.
Thanks again Alberto.
Абсолютная истина, кто как кого ни оценивай, но КАРУЗО ЭТАЛОН. Как бы ни великолепно звучали здесь Бьерлинг и Корелли, у них это прекрасно спетые, пусть и эмоционально окрашенные и соединённые самой музыкальной тканью, но всего лишь выпеваемые музыкальные фразы, у Карузо же это, от первой до последней ноты, единое целое, единое, на одном дыхании выплеснутое чувство, и в этом весь Карузо, естественность чувств, выражаемых его голосом, поражает, и этого нет ни у кого из современных певцов. Поваротти здесь великолепен, редкая для него, очень близкая к естественной экспрессия, но достигается она динамикой голоса, у Карузо же и в этом плане всё по другому, сами эмоции дирижирует его внутренним оркестром и определяют силу звучания и накала страстей, передаваемых его неповторимым голосом.
@@nikname1672 Thanks for listening and for your comment.
🎭👏👏
Thanks for listening Brendan.
They are all exceptional singers, but as Tulio Serafin said, if we are going to talk about voices, let's leave out Caruso, Ponselle and Ruffo. And we must remember that Caruso's recording is the only one of all that was not yet electric. To get an idea of the disadvantage, just compare Gigli's mechanical recordings with his electrical recordings, which he recorded using both recording technologies. Greetings everyone!
Thanks for listening and for your comment Pedro, it's sad that Caruso died before electrical recording started in 1925. Greetings from Yorkshire, England.
Enrico Caruso .
❤
Thanks for also listening to this one and for your comment
Questa è proprietà esclusiva del grande Caruso per giusto timbro caldo e
Thanks again for listening.
The voices invoke different emotions; it's hard to decide which is best. All were outstanding. I must admit that Corelli, for all his power and charm, was not quite as nuanced in pathos for me as the others, but by far the more presentable on stage, a real lady killer.
Gigli is the greatest. He is closer to heaven.
Thanks for listening Benjamin, I hope that you enjoyed the video even though your favourite is missing. My personal preferences for this piece are Caruso and Bjorling but they were all great in there own way including, of course, Gigli.
Thanks for this brilliant comparison! As for me in this aria Pavarotti is best. But I'm sure that we can't estimate Caruso's voice right by technical reasons...
Thanks for listening and for your comment Leonid, I'm not sure which is my own favourite but I'm in complete agreement with you about the Caruso recording and I've always been a great admirer of Jussi Bjorling.
Four great tenors, but it has to be Jussi for me.
Thanks for listening and for your comment.
Caruso had very slopping phrasing with what appeared to be breathing issues. Not a typical Caruso demonstration.
Thank you for listening, I do hope that you enjoyed the video.
I included the Caruso recording because I think that it's wonderful and I hear no sloppy phrasing or any other evidence of breathing issues.
What do you mean? I don't hear sloppiness. He always took a lot of breaths Smoked 2 packs a day. But it's typical Caruso to me. His emotional " cries" break up the line. He sings it like an aria, as most do. It's a very operatic requiem!
Caruso
Thanks for listening. Yes Caruso's is a wonderful recording.
Pavarotti wins for best latin diction. But hell, these are all great!
Thanks for listening and for your comment Jef, I'm glad that you like the selection.
Bjorling siempre Bjorling. Voz celestial, único.
@@alberto2021 Thanks for listening and for your comment Alberto.
CORELLI É UM FORA DE SÉRIE. CARUSO E BJORLING , BONS. PAVAROTTI UM ÓTIMO TENOR LÍRICO-LIGEIRO. O MELHOR NESSA MÚSICA É SEM DÚVIDAS, GIGLI.
Thanks for listening and for your comment Antonio.
Gigli's recording is wonderful and I wish now that I had included it.
Sicuramente Caruso è fuori concorso.....soprattutto per essere "ILcaposcuola!
Bjorling è fantastico!
Corelli è superbo!
Pavarotti è un buon tenore! Grazie
It's my pleasure, thank you for listening and for your comment.
L'voce adatta per Ingemistu e solo quella della grande del grande Caruso Biolchin canta bene .a il suo timbro e la meta' di Caruso per cui non può superare Caruso, ne lui e né altri.
Thanks for listening and for your comment Angelo.
INDIMENTICABILI ...
Thanks for listening and for your comment Massimo.
Stylistically I find Corelli not that convincing: too many portamenti and in general a bit too mournful without adding to the music by doing so. Apart from that great voice
Thanks for listening Jazico, I'm glad that you enjoyed the video and I agree with what you say about the Corelli recording.
Corelli en una interpretación de caricatura.
16:40
Per favore ascoltare J. Hadley e poi ditemi chi è il migliore.
Thank you for listening, I'm sorry that your personal favourite wasn't included. Jerry Hadley's recording is excellent but, for me the best are are Caruso and Bjorling.
@@michaelmcgrailengland the level of this tenors is excellent so the preference depend on personal taste. Also others italian tenors sang ingenisco perfectly.
1 Corelli. По-настоящему тронуло это исполнение, но я вообще его люблю
2 Caruso. Запись не лучшая
3 Bjorling. Почему-то здесь не слишком понравился мне, в отличие от большинства комментаторов. Неровное дерганое исполнение. Впечатление, что он слишком увлекся красотой звучания собственных верхних нот. Или нервничал..
4 Pav. Не хватает подлинного драматизма, но при этом чересчур пафосно
I thought that I had replied to you earlier Arishenka, I probably forgot to click "reply".
Thanks for listening and for your comment. The quality of the Caruso recording is poor compared to the others but you must remember that it was made by purely mechanical means,10 years before the use of microphones or electrical equipment of any sort was used in recording studios..
@@michaelmcgrailengland@michaelmcgrailengland sure, remember, I'm a historian. 🙂
I mean, this Caruso's version is not his best demonstration
@@Arishenka_A I will remember and keep my very limited history knowledge to myself in future! I thought that you might be one of the younger listeners who are not aware of the bad effect that the primitive methods used in Caruso's day had on recordings. Also Caruso is one of my top favourites so I always come to his defence!!
@@michaelmcgrailengland
and mine too 😊
Corelli all the Way
Thanks for listening and for your comment Brad.
Corelli interpreta esto como una caricatura. Le resta significado.
Per questa volta dico Pavarotti ,piu lineare e corretto nell'interpretazione
Thanks for listening and for your comment Silvano.
Why did you choose such a bad recording for Pavarotti?
Thanks for listening. I wasn't aware that I had chosen a bad recording, it was just the first studio recording that came to hand. I'm not a huge Pavarotti fan but it sounded OK to me and, in fact, some commenters have chosen it as the best from this selection.
I admire Pavarotti greatly, he was a wonderful singer and entertainer with a larger than life personality and I know that many people still regard him as "the greatest" so I occasionally include him in my compilations.
I have three top favourites, McCormack, Caruso and Bjorling, but I'm 80 years old with my feet planted firmly in the past so the numbers sharing my taste are quickly diminishing, but I hope that my RUclips channel will help to keep their names alive.
Thanks again for listening.
@@michaelmcgrailengland you did fine. but to me his best interpretation was with Karajan in 1967, which to me is also better than all of the others
@@alexj.denton7453 Thanks for listening and for the information Alex. I haven't got that one but, if it's on RUclips, I'll have a listen later today.
@@michaelmcgrailengland at least your honest.
@@pavarotti744 Thanks for listening and for your comment John.
I have some other good qualities as well as honesty, I can't just think of them at the moment but, if I remember, I'll let you know what they are!!!
Pavarotti loses in technique of singing
Thanks for listening and for your comment.
1.CARUSO 2. CORELLI .3.PAVAROTTI
Thanks for listening and for your comment Alfred. I would put Bjorling at the top with Caruso but that's just my personal choice, of course. I don't know if you have a similar saying where you are but we have one that is "one man's meat is another mans poison" and that seems to apply quite a lot to the singers that I upload to RUclips.
You can't meen this, björling last. Do you have any clue about quality of voice?
@@Kjuken691)Caruso 2)Pavarotti 3)Bjorling-Corelli
Toscanini ha detto chi e meglio. Jussy!
Thanks for listening and for your comment Alexey.
I prefer Bjoerling on this Ingemisco because he didn't slide down from his Bb or any notes; however, if Corelli had not constantly slid down seemingly on most notes would have preferred him. Caruso was awful and believe Corelli was imitating him. Thanks for this compare/contrast of tenors!! 🙂🙂🙂🙂
It's my pleasure Jake, thank you for listening and for your comment. I don't agree with you about the Caruso recording but "one man's meat is another man's poison" as they say.
@@michaelmcgrailengland
So true and the sliding off notes is my "poison" (grates on my ears) for any singer; as if one tires after reaching then slides downward because of fatigue. I'm not as "learnded" as you, I'm sure, and possibly this sliding downward is acceptable and preferable in musical circles. Maybe these are attempts at emoting feelings these words suggest? I don't know... I lack the knowledge.
I'm sure you are an accomplished well trained musician... would you sing a beautiful note... hold that amazing note the appropriate time then slide downward?? Just seeking knowledge of which, I'm sure, I don't understand. Thank you!!!
@@Jake-nk4wg Hi Jake, thanks for taking the trouble to reply and for your modesty. I myself am a very amateur musician with very little technical knowledge of music. I like music of all genres simply because I like the sound of it, not because of the technical qualities although good technique often helps to make a good sound.
I'm 82 now and my feet are buried firmly in the past and I grew up listening to Caruso and love the sound of his voice. I think that you are probably right about the reason for sliding being to help to convey emotions, it was certainly not because of a lack of ability hit a note squarely. A lot of the techniques used by singers in the past are no longer used these days. Funnily enough I like the effect of sliding up and down to notes, it's very effective in Jazz and, of course, those great slide guitars used in Blues and Country. I suppose it vey much comes down to personal taste in the end.
Thanks again for listening, all the best from Yorkshire, England.
@@michaelmcgrailengland
Thanks Mr. Michael!! 🙂🙂
Bjorling, my god, not human, ist a angel.
Não adianta...P A V A R O T T I se destaca com sua voz única e macia ...❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Thanks for listening and for your comment Miriam.
Bravo 👏 👏 👏 👏 Pavarotti!
Thanks again Miriam.
Merci beaucoup pour m'avoir répondu bonne fête de Noël 🤶 🌲 😊❤
Thanks for your message Marie-Jeanne, very best wishes to you for Christmas and the New Year.
Corelli indetronable, 🙏🙏🎶🎶💖💖💖💖💖
Thanks for listening and for your comment Marie-Jeanne.