This actually makes SO MUCH SENSE!! My kiddo is having trouble keeping the math straight doing the ‘old way’ math, I think demonstrating it to him this way will be super helpful. Thanks!
I taught public school 20 years and used MUS to teach every skill. Totally different from the entire rest of the district. It was only great all the time. Not confusing at all.
Oh I wish I could have learned this the Math u see way!!!! Seeing the answers laid out like that is so much more helpful for visual learners! I’m starting Delta with my daughter this year and can’t wait to show her this new method!!!
Glad I watched this video before buying the curriculum! My son would not do well with learning multiplication this way. He does it the way I learned and it’s simple for him.
I think with almost any math curriculum--switching in and out can cause frustration, and I generally recommend trying to stay consistent, when possible. Our family has used Math-U-See for years and I didn't actually know Math-U-See taught multiplication that way. I apparently haven't looked at the teacher's manuals enough...I'm pretty sure my mom just taught 'traditional' multiplication even when using math-u-see, but the math-u-see way actually makes a lot of sense to me.
Math U See method is the way my mother was taught. She was born in 1913 and only had 4th grade education. She was really my oldest aunt. She really could out do math faster than a calculator..
Thank you for doing this video!!! I'm in my 50's homeschooling a just turned 9 year old. I went to public school and math was my weakest subject. He's in Beta after switching from many other math programs. Your video almost made me hyperventilate! I immediately thought...nope...not going to stick with this program. I went back on your video to about the 2:18 mark and re-watched it 3 times. Okay, I get it now and it makes so much more sense.
This is such a cool method. I'm a math teacher and my mind still gets blown away by learning different ways to solve problems. I wish I would've learned this way --- conceptually and not rote memorization.
This was a big part of why we decided against going with MUS when we started homeschooling. My daughter was in 2and at the time, and I didn't like the feeling that we would be locked into one program for years.
I think you could probably get away with switching in or out at prealgebra, but before that, it’s super tricky. Though some kids may switch back and forth quite easily. But the scope and sequence in alpha to zeta is just so different than other curricula.
Our first year using Math-U-See was Geometry & this tripped us up! LOL Once we Identified the issue, we loved the program. Now the younger ones are using Alpha-Pre Algebra. For the younger ones, I showed them how to do the ""traditional way" after they had the concept down. I agree, it's MUCH better if you stick to it. We love Math-U-See.
Good to know, my kiddos are in the middle school range now and we've tried many curricula. I was thinking of switching to Math U See for Pre-Algebra, but they might get lost if there are things they didn't learn from the elementary books.
Math mammoth teaches multiplication this way before going and doing the more standard way. Love it and zero problems with understanding for all my kiddos
I’ve never used that program. I’ve heard good things :) We went from MUS to TT and that specific switch is definitely problematic. I can see the same program teaching it both ways could work.
We tried MM for a short while. It was visually too busy for him and 'too much'. I loved it but we were in the 1st books. I didn't know MM taught multiplication this way too. This video made me panic and I thought...that's it, we're going back to MM. oops LOL
@@karendavis4793 i love it being taught this way. It definitely helps so much more with mathematical reasoning and understanding of how the numbers relate. I have 3 kids who have done MM. My oldest is breezing through high school math and it's not even her strongest subject. She also found it visually busy. I cut flaps on the cover if a file folder so she only opened the flap to reveal what she was working on. 2 pages per day and every other problem. MM states not to do every problem. We would go back to do the other half if she needed more practice. Word problems we always completed all of them.
@@karendavis4793 I actually think it's easier to multiply this way because you don't have to be careful about where you put the numbers as you go down to each place value lol 😂
@@EducationalRoots we tried teaching textbooks and it wasn't for us. We went right back to MM. I had tried it because I wanted the convenience of the grading and all but my kiddos weren't learning the reasons behind what they were doing...they just knew that whatever was being taught was the process. I was a little bummed it didn't work for us at the time, but after switching back to MM I just realized I should have never switched lol. If it ain't broke don't fix it. 😆
I'm not familiar with MUS, but it seems like it really focuses on numeracy. You can use a traditional type of math program but use MUS to help introduce the concept, develop numeracy, and then move to the traditional algorithm as the 'short cut'.
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing this method. I’ve heard so much lately about Math U See. I honestly recommend, if you do Math U See, stick with it till the end. This method make more sense by the way.
My oldest loves Math U See but he refused to do the long way and battles his ADHD to do the original method. I feel like he would have fewer mistakes if he lined it up the way they taught but he hates writing and having to organize.
THANK YOU for making this video! I am considering Math-U-See and it is VERY helpful to know this while making my decision about switching over to Math-U-See or using another curriculum.
in the common core they teach you both ways. at the 4th grade level they teach you the way like math u see and in 5th grade they teach you the standard algorithm way.
That's very interesting. I definitely prefer the traditional way for writing it out, but I'm realizing that when I do problems in my head, I naturally do what math u see teaches.
But if you learn the reason behind the multiplication, as is taught is Simply Charlotte Mason Math, you can use any curriculum/method, and not be at all confused.
We use Math-U-See and we did not do multiplication the way you presented it on the right. When you watch the video lessons, Mr. Demme presents some concepts that can be done multiple ways. My son does multiplication the traditional way and he has used Math-U-See from the beginning.
Hi there. We did watch the videos. We completed Gamma and Delta. He definitely does present it this way. I will be happy to tell you the exact lessons in Gamma when I get home. He does talk about the “other way” but when he does, he acts as though they already know the other way. He presents and teaches it this way.
We use math u see as well. Their way completely confused my daughter. I ended up teaching my daughter the traditional way. Two of my other children learned traditional multiplication before switching to math u see and they didn't have any issues with multiplication in math u see. If you get the correct answer it shouldn't matter.
I agree. I don't recall it being taught this way but we may not have watched that lesson. I love the program though and will be sticking with it till the end. Youngest is going into Delta and oldest is started Zeta. We use 2 math programs but the second one we use lower levels and it is just for additional practice.
I haven't tried MUS yet (I'm definitely leaning towards it!), but the way you describe it is also the Common Core way. Just so you know when comparing curriculum. I love the method and think it's the better way to teach kids, especially kids who struggle with math.
Beast academy does this too. I was confused when we first started, but my husband's brain always worked this and my son thinks just like him. I had to do all the math with my son, and I feel so much stronger in my math knowledge now! 🤣
This makes sense to my brain too. I have a fourth grader starting math u see delta this year. She was previously at a private school using abeka. Thank you for this video!
@Veronica I don’t remember much about Abeka since I wasn’t the one teaching it other than the pages were colorful. I am a visual person and I like how Math U See shows you the math first, then you use the pictures less and only use numbers as you learn the skill. Also I like the progression and how they teach some things early. Like my son who is in Beta is already being introduced to solving for the unknown using the term X for missing numbers in addition and subtraction problems. Also when they teach multiplication they also teach area because when you “see” the multiplication problem laid out with the blocks it makes sense to teach area at the same time. You can tell there is a lot of thought put into Math U See. It has even helped me see the patterns in math. I realized that what my daughter in Algebra 2 was learning was the exact same thing that my other daughter was learning in Epsilon. But in Epsilon they were teaching combining fractions and in Algebra 2 the fractions being combined contained binomials and trinomials.
Dont knowvhow i got to do this, but this exactly how i do maths!! It well will adding and ZI think thw othwrs. I was taught the old way, but i dont like how it messes up the paper.
I think if I would have learned to multiply the way on the right, math might have made more sense to me. Im not sure why but to this day I still struggle a bit with fundamentals like place value. I did learn my multiplication tables around age 8 or so. But the way I learned and know how to multiply (the way on the left) always felt and still feels a little jumbled, messy and magical to me, even in my forties. Thanks for this video! I think maybe kids who struggle with math might benefit off this way of learning multiplication.
Thank you for this video. We are entering learning at home going into 6th grade. I was looking at math u see, but I don't know if it's an option if we haven't done from beginning. I'm pretty bummed. I thought I had curriculum figured out. So glad I saw this!
My Son is in public school. I am taking him out of the system for next year. This is the new way of doing math for the public school system. Apparently it is gearing the kids toward higher math like trig and calculus etc...
Hmm. Not criticizing your choice but my kids learned time with MUS. That was years ago so maybe it’s changed. I found this video...ruclips.net/video/tcuknUovzLQ/видео.html
I'm not a math person (I suspect that I have dyscalculia, in fact), though I can still manage Algebra 1/Basic Geometry...but this just tripped me up and made me so glad that we decided against Math-U-See...for the reason you listed, actually. I would have hated being locked into this program, which might, for completely different reasons, turn out to not be a good fit, while also feeling like they are behind. And while I appreciate mastery, it seems tiring to do an entire years of JUST, say addition. It feels like they are repeating the same thing until the cows come home. As a non math person specifically, I remember how much more I enjoyed having this like measurements, seasons, days of the week and the like thrown in.
Thanks for this. I’ve just started homeschooling my middle school daughter. She’s behind in math and since she’s a kinesthetic learner I thought Math U See would be a good choice due to the manipulatives. We were going to jump into the program at the decimal and fraction book. She learned how to multiply using the method on the left. Now I’m rethinking my decision because I don’t want her to be more confused.
Fractions is Epsilon and Decimals is zeta. We’ve never used zeta but I did have was daughter who did part of Epsilon. It went well, but they also teach fractions differently. I think it would be fine as long as you are aware and it could be it really clicks with her. I’m not saying don’t switch, just don’t switch without being aware of it. I have a video on epsilon if you want to check it out to see it.
The MUS way (to me) just seems way too complicated for littles. As an adult, I can follow it - but the method on the left just seems so much more simple to me.
@@pinkorganichorse thank you for offering your personal opinion. We disagree. I may not be a math teacher, but my profession requires me to calculate doses through the the day, and MUS is bogged down.
@@katiejon17 my son is in MUS at the addition level. I was showing him various ways to look at the manipulatives, and he started doing multiplication in his head spontaneously in the following few days. I think he is doing it the way on the right. It is very intuitive if you have an ABSOLUTELY SOLID grasp of place value. MUS spends a lot of time and energy early on with the manipulatives hammering in and physically manipulating place value. If your place value knowledge is wishy-washy or implicit rather than explicit, then the left is probably easier to work through (also, if that's how you were taught and became proficient at it) because the steps are more concise. As soon as she did the MUS way, I could see very clearly how once it's established, teaching the kid the traditional way as a short hand would be simple (if the parents sees it clearly) - but switching traditional to MUS can be a problem.
Thank you for this video! I found it very helpful. I'm am homeschooling my son...it s our first year and he s in Kindergarten. We r doing Primer and I like the program overall but am not sure if I want to stick with it. My son seems a bit bored with it and he had been very excited about math when we first started. I am not having him do every worksheet in every lesson bc he s getting it, so then we move on. I think he may need a bit more of a challenge but like the foundation this is laying. All this to say, can u share what math u switched do or do u have any suggestions? There are so many math curriculums out there!
The problem with the mus is that there is no way my kid would on go of her head what 8x20 is on top of her head… how do they teach multiplication of that level?!
I think it really depends on the person but honestly while MUS does teach this it's not as prominent as they make it seem in this video and he frequently teaches the different methods and then tells you to do it whichever way works for you. But she is right in the back and forth the reviews might be confusing
I was looking for a comment like this as I was thinking the same thing. However, the answer key shows it done the MUS way, but my son did it the traditional way, but it would lead to confusion when we went to check the answer and where he went wrong in the question.
Wow!! Thank you so much for this video! My son needs a mastery program and I've been looking into math you see ans sinapore. This was so great to consider.
Hiss. This either is or is similar to the common core crap I just took my kids out of. I'm glad it works for some people but it just confuses the daylights out of my kids and takes so much longer to do. I've been thinking about using this due to all the raving reviews but this has definitely helped me decide to pass on this. Thank you for making this video. Again, I'm glad it works for some people but it is absolutely not for us. Edit: I should add that all they've ever known is common core math, except for "old school" math I've taught them at home over the years. I regret not homeschooling them from the very beginning for many reasons and this is one of them. Oh well. Better late than never.
I’m sorry, I don’t have any experience with their upper level math. I would say it would probably be fine. Even if she did need to learn it it would likely take a high schooler about 2 minutes. ;)
MWC teaches the traditional way and not like Math U See correct? We are currently in grade 3 MWC and I would prefer to not do it like MUS in the higher levels of MWC😬
Hi, when do you think would be a good time to switch out of MUS? My son is just about to start Zeta, I was thinking of switching to Art of problem solving for pre-algebra. Do you think that will work? Or should I have him do MUS pre-algebra first then switch? I’m thinking he’s ready for something a little more challenging and trying to find the right time to make the switch. Thanks 😊
late to this but i just let my 4th grader watch the math part and he said the traditional "US" way is hard and doesnt understand it and im looking like....huh? OMG
Do you mean this year? For my 5th grader, we used Teaching Textbooks this year (she used MUS for Gamma and Delta). I’m still deciding what to do next year. My 3rd and 9th graders did CTC math this year.
@@EducationalRoots okay sweet, we've been using Saxon with Nicole the math lady and love it but MUS is cheaper and looks like it would work just as well for my kiddo
I just got Gamma for my son but now I’m torn. I think that way of multiplication will be confusing for him. And now that I’m thinking, maybe Math U See isn’t the best bc he struggles with spatial concepts. Any other math curriculum suggestions?
CTC math is good. My high schooler has a tutor and she is really impressed with it, but it needs some sort of spiral review workbook to go along with it, because the only downside is it lacks some spiral practice.
@@EducationalRoots I'm about to order my son's math curriculum but I don't agree with math u see way of doing multiplication. Really love them with spelling! I'll look into CTC . Notice your reply to someone else. Thanks
He teaches both ways. Math u See teaches the traditional way but he takes a blip to explain why the traditional way works. My kids ended up doing the traditional way but it helps to know why it works.
Switching between math programs is not a good idea in general. Find what works and stay to eliminate holes and gaps. I chose MUS and love it. By the way the place value method is taught in public school now before teaching the standard algorithm.
I teach in a public school and it’s not how it’s taught at my school, but all schools do things differently. :) I do agree to try to find something and stick with it. MUS is a great program and I love Mr. Demme.
@@EducationalRoots Well it is part of the common core way of teaching and has been used in popular curriculums like Pearson since before Common Core. Another common way to teach is the array method. I thought MUS used this way because it is illustrated on the cover of Gamma, but they don't. Pearson's Envisions teaches arrays (what I taught in Vegas), as does Bridges Math and CPM which are used in our part of California. One of the reasons I quit and pulled my kids from public school is that there is so little consistency here in CA. When i taught in Vegas we had to use our curriculum. But here the teachers just do what they want. So if they think one way of teaching something is strange they just revert to what worked. So kids bounce around having common core math one year but not the next based on their teacher. This does not make for a consistent or strong education.
@@agamble1126 It definitely varies by school. Some schools have a set curriculum and others can do whatever they want as long as they align it to standards. In reality, most teachers use a set curriculum and then modify it, add to it, take away from it, etc. You just never know what you’re gonna get lol!
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This actually makes SO MUCH SENSE!! My kiddo is having trouble keeping the math straight doing the ‘old way’ math, I think demonstrating it to him this way will be super helpful. Thanks!
I taught public school 20 years and used MUS to teach every skill. Totally different from the entire rest of the district. It was only great all the time. Not confusing at all.
Oh I wish I could have learned this the Math u see way!!!! Seeing the answers laid out like that is so much more helpful for visual learners! I’m starting Delta with my daughter this year and can’t wait to show her this new method!!!
Glad I watched this video before buying the curriculum! My son would not do well with learning multiplication this way. He does it the way I learned and it’s simple for him.
My son does the original way. It can easily be adapted.
I think with almost any math curriculum--switching in and out can cause frustration, and I generally recommend trying to stay consistent, when possible. Our family has used Math-U-See for years and I didn't actually know Math-U-See taught multiplication that way. I apparently haven't looked at the teacher's manuals enough...I'm pretty sure my mom just taught 'traditional' multiplication even when using math-u-see, but the math-u-see way actually makes a lot of sense to me.
It makes a lot of sense to me too.
Math U See method is the way my mother was taught. She was born in 1913 and only had 4th grade education. She was really my oldest aunt. She really could out do math faster than a calculator..
Thank you for doing this video!!! I'm in my 50's homeschooling a just turned 9 year old. I went to public school and math was my weakest subject. He's in Beta after switching from many other math programs. Your video almost made me hyperventilate! I immediately thought...nope...not going to stick with this program. I went back on your video to about the 2:18 mark and re-watched it 3 times. Okay, I get it now and it makes so much more sense.
This is such a cool method. I'm a math teacher and my mind still gets blown away by learning different ways to solve problems. I wish I would've learned this way --- conceptually and not rote memorization.
This was a big part of why we decided against going with MUS when we started homeschooling. My daughter was in 2and at the time, and I didn't like the feeling that we would be locked into one program for years.
I think you could probably get away with switching in or out at prealgebra, but before that, it’s super tricky. Though some kids may switch back and forth quite easily. But the scope and sequence in alpha to zeta is just so different than other curricula.
These methods are functionally identical; the additions are simply done in a different order
What do you recommend? My daughter is going into 5th
Wow! Im homeschooling my kids now and switching to the old math has been difficult but worth it.
Our first year using Math-U-See was Geometry & this tripped us up! LOL Once we Identified the issue, we loved the program. Now the younger ones are using Alpha-Pre Algebra. For the younger ones, I showed them how to do the ""traditional way" after they had the concept down. I agree, it's MUCH better if you stick to it. We love Math-U-See.
Oh! I didn’t know if it would “come up” in the higher levels. That’s interesting!
Good to know, my kiddos are in the middle school range now and we've tried many curricula. I was thinking of switching to Math U See for Pre-Algebra, but they might get lost if there are things they didn't learn from the elementary books.
Math mammoth teaches multiplication this way before going and doing the more standard way. Love it and zero problems with understanding for all my kiddos
I’ve never used that program. I’ve heard good things :) We went from MUS to TT and that specific switch is definitely problematic. I can see the same program teaching it both ways could work.
We tried MM for a short while. It was visually too busy for him and 'too much'. I loved it but we were in the 1st books. I didn't know MM taught multiplication this way too. This video made me panic and I thought...that's it, we're going back to MM. oops LOL
@@karendavis4793 i love it being taught this way. It definitely helps so much more with mathematical reasoning and understanding of how the numbers relate. I have 3 kids who have done MM. My oldest is breezing through high school math and it's not even her strongest subject. She also found it visually busy. I cut flaps on the cover if a file folder so she only opened the flap to reveal what she was working on. 2 pages per day and every other problem. MM states not to do every problem. We would go back to do the other half if she needed more practice. Word problems we always completed all of them.
@@karendavis4793 I actually think it's easier to multiply this way because you don't have to be careful about where you put the numbers as you go down to each place value lol 😂
@@EducationalRoots we tried teaching textbooks and it wasn't for us. We went right back to MM. I had tried it because I wanted the convenience of the grading and all but my kiddos weren't learning the reasons behind what they were doing...they just knew that whatever was being taught was the process. I was a little bummed it didn't work for us at the time, but after switching back to MM I just realized I should have never switched lol. If it ain't broke don't fix it. 😆
I'm not familiar with MUS, but it seems like it really focuses on numeracy. You can use a traditional type of math program but use MUS to help introduce the concept, develop numeracy, and then move to the traditional algorithm as the 'short cut'.
Definitely could do that!
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing this method. I’ve heard so much lately about Math U See. I honestly recommend, if you do Math U See, stick with it till the end. This method make more sense by the way.
I completely agree! If you go with MUS, be committed. I also think it makes more sense. I probably would have loved MUS as a kid.
My oldest loves Math U See but he refused to do the long way and battles his ADHD to do the original method. I feel like he would have fewer mistakes if he lined it up the way they taught but he hates writing and having to organize.
We are about to start math u see this coming school year. This makes so much sense to me. I think it will definitely help my ADHD kid.
Awesome!
THANK YOU for making this video! I am considering Math-U-See and it is VERY helpful to know this while making my decision about switching over to Math-U-See or using another curriculum.
Same. I think this means I won't be using math you see.
in the common core they teach you both ways. at the 4th grade level they teach you the way like math u see and in 5th grade they teach you the standard algorithm way.
That's very interesting. I definitely prefer the traditional way for writing it out, but I'm realizing that when I do problems in my head, I naturally do what math u see teaches.
That’s super interesting!
I was considering this but, thank you! My son is a struggling learner and we won’t be jumping to MUS.
I love math u see for practice and new ways. I use Rightstart as my core.
But if you learn the reason behind the multiplication, as is taught is Simply Charlotte Mason Math, you can use any curriculum/method, and not be at all confused.
@@priscillalongworth1720 For sure!
We use Math-U-See and we did not do multiplication the way you presented it on the right. When you watch the video lessons, Mr. Demme presents some concepts that can be done multiple ways. My son does multiplication the traditional way and he has used Math-U-See from the beginning.
Hi there. We did watch the videos. We completed Gamma and Delta. He definitely does present it this way. I will be happy to tell you the exact lessons in Gamma when I get home. He does talk about the “other way” but when he does, he acts as though they already know the other way. He presents and teaches it this way.
I have heard that in pre-algebra and up it no longer matters. Is your son in the upper levels? I have no experience with those.
We use math u see as well. Their way completely confused my daughter. I ended up teaching my daughter the traditional way. Two of my other children learned traditional multiplication before switching to math u see and they didn't have any issues with multiplication in math u see. If you get the correct answer it shouldn't matter.
I agree. I don't recall it being taught this way but we may not have watched that lesson. I love the program though and will be sticking with it till the end. Youngest is going into Delta and oldest is started Zeta. We use 2 math programs but the second one we use lower levels and it is just for additional practice.
@@heatheraz4680what other math program do you use besides MUS?
I haven't tried MUS yet (I'm definitely leaning towards it!), but the way you describe it is also the Common Core way. Just so you know when comparing curriculum. I love the method and think it's the better way to teach kids, especially kids who struggle with math.
Well, kind of. Common core is a set of standards, not a particular method, but yes, this is a very common way to teach the common core standards. :)
@@EducationalRoots I subbed just because you actually know what common core is. Thank you for clarifying common core so others can know as well :)
@@Moi-tf6nn lol! Too funny! Thanks for the sub!
Beast academy does this too. I was confused when we first started, but my husband's brain always worked this and my son thinks just like him. I had to do all the math with my son, and I feel so much stronger in my math knowledge now! 🤣
I think it’s very good at helping kids understand place value which in turn can help with understanding math much better. It just depends on the kid.
This makes sense to my brain too. I have a fourth grader starting math u see delta this year. She was previously at a private school using abeka. Thank you for this video!
what do you think about abeka math vs math u see?
@Veronica I don’t remember much about Abeka since I wasn’t the one teaching it other than the pages were colorful. I am a visual person and I like how Math U See shows you the math first, then you use the pictures less and only use numbers as you learn the skill. Also I like the progression and how they teach some things early. Like my son who is in Beta is already being introduced to solving for the unknown using the term X for missing numbers in addition and subtraction problems. Also when they teach multiplication they also teach area because when you “see” the multiplication problem laid out with the blocks it makes sense to teach area at the same time. You can tell there is a lot of thought put into Math U See. It has even helped me see the patterns in math. I realized that what my daughter in Algebra 2 was learning was the exact same thing that my other daughter was learning in Epsilon. But in Epsilon they were teaching combining fractions and in Algebra 2 the fractions being combined contained binomials and trinomials.
Math u see makes so much sense in regards to the why.
Wow this has sold me to purchase it for my son I absolutely love that! Thank you
You’re welcome!
Dont knowvhow i got to do this, but this exactly how i do maths!! It well will adding and ZI think thw othwrs.
I was taught the old way, but i dont like how it messes up the paper.
Thank you! This was helpful
I think if I would have learned to multiply the way on the right, math might have made more sense to me. Im not sure why but to this day I still struggle a bit with fundamentals like place value. I did learn my multiplication tables around age 8 or so. But the way I learned and know how to multiply (the way on the left) always felt and still feels a little jumbled, messy and magical to me, even in my forties. Thanks for this video! I think maybe kids who struggle with math might benefit off this way of learning multiplication.
@@jenniferwildflower4249 For sure!
Math U See makes ways more sense to me then the way we've been taught
Thank you! You saved me some time and my child some headache
Am I the only one whose brain hurts from the MUS way?? 🤣 So interesting!
lol! It makes perfect sense to me! 😂 I think it just depends on the person, probably.
Totally! I use MUS but skip the nonsense.
Hurts my brain and don’t think I could get used to this at all 🤯😳
It made sense to me.
Lol
Thank you for this video. We are entering learning at home going into 6th grade. I was looking at math u see, but I don't know if it's an option if we haven't done from beginning. I'm pretty bummed. I thought I had curriculum figured out. So glad I saw this!
My Son is in public school. I am taking him out of the system for next year. This is the new way of doing math for the public school system. Apparently it is gearing the kids toward higher math like trig and calculus etc...
And yes we will be doing Math U See with a small workbook so they are introduced to time, etc.
Hmm. Not criticizing your choice but my kids learned time with MUS. That was years ago so maybe it’s changed. I found this video...ruclips.net/video/tcuknUovzLQ/видео.html
We are switching to math u see this year so this is very helpful to know! Thank you!
You’re welcome
How do you like it?
This is great. Dimensions Math shows both ways to solve.
Dimensions math from Singapore math?
I'm not a math person (I suspect that I have dyscalculia, in fact), though I can still manage Algebra 1/Basic Geometry...but this just tripped me up and made me so glad that we decided against Math-U-See...for the reason you listed, actually. I would have hated being locked into this program, which might, for completely different reasons, turn out to not be a good fit, while also feeling like they are behind. And while I appreciate mastery, it seems tiring to do an entire years of JUST, say addition. It feels like they are repeating the same thing until the cows come home. As a non math person specifically, I remember how much more I enjoyed having this like measurements, seasons, days of the week and the like thrown in.
Yes, it just didn't fit us...but I do believe it is a solid program.
Thanks for this. I’ve just started homeschooling my middle school daughter. She’s behind in math and since she’s a kinesthetic learner I thought Math U See would be a good choice due to the manipulatives. We were going to jump into the program at the decimal and fraction book. She learned how to multiply using the method on the left. Now I’m rethinking my decision because I don’t want her to be more confused.
Fractions is Epsilon and Decimals is zeta. We’ve never used zeta but I did have was daughter who did part of Epsilon. It went well, but they also teach fractions differently. I think it would be fine as long as you are aware and it could be it really clicks with her. I’m not saying don’t switch, just don’t switch without being aware of it. I have a video on epsilon if you want to check it out to see it.
Kids catch up quickly. My daughter was struggling .... she is doing excellent with Math U See. She is no longer hating math also.
Have you ever looked into Right Start?
This was very interesting and quite confusing although math confuses me in general 🤦🏻♀️
I’ve heard of it, but I’ve never seriously looked into it.
This video was so helpful. Thanks a lot for making it!
You’re welcome!
The MUS way (to me) just seems way too complicated for littles. As an adult, I can follow it - but the method on the left just seems so much more simple to me.
The method on the left is way more difficult than the MUS way. I have been a public school teacher and private tutor since 1998.
@@pinkorganichorse thank you for offering your personal opinion. We disagree. I may not be a math teacher, but my profession requires me to calculate doses through the the day, and MUS is bogged down.
@@katiejon17 my son is in MUS at the addition level. I was showing him various ways to look at the manipulatives, and he started doing multiplication in his head spontaneously in the following few days. I think he is doing it the way on the right.
It is very intuitive if you have an ABSOLUTELY SOLID grasp of place value. MUS spends a lot of time and energy early on with the manipulatives hammering in and physically manipulating place value.
If your place value knowledge is wishy-washy or implicit rather than explicit, then the left is probably easier to work through (also, if that's how you were taught and became proficient at it) because the steps are more concise.
As soon as she did the MUS way, I could see very clearly how once it's established, teaching the kid the traditional way as a short hand would be simple (if the parents sees it clearly) - but switching traditional to MUS can be a problem.
The idea is intersting, but it will probably make kids more confused and get more frustrated.
Would it have helped make more sense using the blocks?
The blocks are great! That’s definitely the highlight of MUS!
Thank you so so much!...this helped me a lot! Blessings :D
The good and the beautiful taught both ways days apart and confused my son. He found the mus way easier and struggled to learn the other way.
Oh! That’s interesting about MUS
Thank you for this video! I found it very helpful. I'm am homeschooling my son...it s our first year and he s in Kindergarten. We r doing Primer and I like the program overall but am not sure if I want to stick with it. My son seems a bit bored with it and he had been very excited about math when we first started. I am not having him do every worksheet in every lesson bc he s getting it, so then we move on. I think he may need a bit more of a challenge but like the foundation this is laying. All this to say, can u share what math u switched do or do u have any suggestions? There are so many math curriculums out there!
So helpful - thank you!!
Glad it was helpful!
Very helpful thank you.
The problem with the mus is that there is no way my kid would on go of her head what 8x20 is on top of her head… how do they teach multiplication of that level?!
Also, does math u see teach coins, money, etc, telling time, and all that other stuff in the lower grades?
Not too much
I think it really depends on the person but honestly while MUS does teach this it's not as prominent as they make it seem in this video and he frequently teaches the different methods and then tells you to do it whichever way works for you. But she is right in the back and forth the reviews might be confusing
I found it to be very prominent!
I was looking for a comment like this as I was thinking the same thing. However, the answer key shows it done the MUS way, but my son did it the traditional way, but it would lead to confusion when we went to check the answer and where he went wrong in the question.
What are some homeschool math curriculum that do multiplication the traditional way? Especially with children who are slower learners.. thanks
Saxon is one. I think most actually use the traditional way. ABeka is another..
Thank you so much for sharing!
You are so welcome!
Wow!! Thank you so much for this video! My son needs a mastery program and I've been looking into math you see ans sinapore. This was so great to consider.
Hiss. This either is or is similar to the common core crap I just took my kids out of. I'm glad it works for some people but it just confuses the daylights out of my kids and takes so much longer to do. I've been thinking about using this due to all the raving reviews but this has definitely helped me decide to pass on this. Thank you for making this video.
Again, I'm glad it works for some people but it is absolutely not for us.
Edit: I should add that all they've ever known is common core math, except for "old school" math I've taught them at home over the years. I regret not homeschooling them from the very beginning for many reasons and this is one of them. Oh well. Better late than never.
Ummm the old style math is common core
Wow. That is all I have to say is...WOW. 😳
I just taught my daughter the typical way. I honestly haven’t gotten what they were teaching till your video! lol it confused me.
Lol!! Well, glad I could help! Ha!
Hi, would my daughter have to learn the Math-U-See multiplication way jumping into Alegbra 1 without ever taking a MUS course?
I’m sorry, I don’t have any experience with their upper level math. I would say it would probably be fine. Even if she did need to learn it it would likely take a high schooler about 2 minutes. ;)
Thank you for this! ❤❤❤
No problem 😊
Can I use math u see curriculum with a child who goes to regular public school? Not necessarily homeschooling?
Yes, I think that would work great.
Kumon math books also show the math-u-see way.
Interesting! I didn't know that.
MWC teaches the traditional way and not like Math U See correct? We are currently in grade 3 MWC and I would prefer to not do it like MUS in the higher levels of MWC😬
Correct
This is so helpful! Thank you 😊
You’re welcome!
Oh so Math U See emphasizes place value! Aha! I see it as a good way to help understand math better.
*gulps* I only know the lattice method
Hi, when do you think would be a good time to switch out of MUS? My son is just about to start Zeta, I was thinking of switching to Art of problem solving for pre-algebra. Do you think that will work? Or should I have him do MUS pre-algebra first then switch? I’m thinking he’s ready for something a little more challenging and trying to find the right time to make the switch. Thanks 😊
I think that’s fine to switch now. :)
Thanks, I’ll give it a go.
late to this but i just let my 4th grader watch the math part and he said the traditional "US" way is hard and doesnt understand it and im looking like....huh? OMG
What math program did you all end up going with?
Do you mean this year? For my 5th grader, we used Teaching Textbooks this year (she used MUS for Gamma and Delta). I’m still deciding what to do next year. My 3rd and 9th graders did CTC math this year.
This was very helpful! Thank you!
My pleasure!
What about switching to MUS for pre-algebra? This is my current thought
I think that would be a great plan!
@@EducationalRoots okay sweet, we've been using Saxon with Nicole the math lady and love it but MUS is cheaper and looks like it would work just as well for my kiddo
I just got Gamma for my son but now I’m torn. I think that way of multiplication will be confusing for him. And now that I’m thinking, maybe Math U See isn’t the best bc he struggles with spatial concepts. Any other math curriculum suggestions?
CTC math is good. My high schooler has a tutor and she is really impressed with it, but it needs some sort of spiral review workbook to go along with it, because the only downside is it lacks some spiral practice.
@@EducationalRoots I'm about to order my son's math curriculum but I don't agree with math u see way of doing multiplication. Really love them with spelling! I'll look into CTC . Notice your reply to someone else. Thanks
My daughter is behind after moving to MUS and is in Gamma and going into 7th grade. Is there any way she can get caught up?
She can work through MUS as fast as she'd like. If she gets a concept don't do all the pages in that lesson. Take the test and move on.
It would have been helpful if you used the manipulatives to explain WHY Math-U-See teaches it this way. Because, that's the whole point.
Lol I did Math U See but remember it normal way, so I'm guessing my dad probably just told me to do it the other way and that's how I learned 😅
Lol, too funny
He teaches both ways. Math u See teaches the traditional way but he takes a blip to explain why the traditional way works. My kids ended up doing the traditional way but it helps to know why it works.
Switching between math programs is not a good idea in general. Find what works and stay to eliminate holes and gaps. I chose MUS and love it.
By the way the place value method is taught in public school now before teaching the standard algorithm.
I teach in a public school and it’s not how it’s taught at my school, but all schools do things differently. :)
I do agree to try to find something and stick with it. MUS is a great program and I love Mr. Demme.
@@EducationalRoots Well it is part of the common core way of teaching and has been used in popular curriculums like Pearson since before Common Core. Another common way to teach is the array method. I thought MUS used this way because it is illustrated on the cover of Gamma, but they don't. Pearson's Envisions teaches arrays (what I taught in Vegas), as does Bridges Math and CPM which are used in our part of California.
One of the reasons I quit and pulled my kids from public school is that there is so little consistency here in CA. When i taught in Vegas we had to use our curriculum. But here the teachers just do what they want. So if they think one way of teaching something is strange they just revert to what worked. So kids bounce around having common core math one year but not the next based on their teacher. This does not make for a consistent or strong education.
@@agamble1126 It definitely varies by school. Some schools have a set curriculum and others can do whatever they want as long as they align it to standards. In reality, most teachers use a set curriculum and then modify it, add to it, take away from it, etc. You just never know what you’re gonna get lol!
Does anybody know if Math with Confidence teaches multiplication this same way?
It does not
@@EducationalRoots Thank you for the quick reply. I am still deciding between Math-U-See and Math With Confidence.
@@gracieperkins1182 I have used MUS Gamma and Delta only, and MWC K-3rd (currently using 3rd). I prefer MWC, but MUS is an equally good program!
@@EducationalRoots Thank you!
Beast academy teaches it the math u see way. Singapore math teaches both ways.
My mind just opened to new possibilities lol
Right!
This is a great advertisement for MUS.
Demme Learning is a great company!
Is this common core?
It is aligned with common core.
You’d be in Algebra 1 in 8th grade if you follow it through
Yes, it’s definitely one of those programs you need to see through
Woww Math I see is so confuse !!!!!! Not for my kid do not like it !
😮😬 i don't like it !!!!!
This was so helpful. Thank you 😊
Glad it was helpful!