Quick correction, the MC-101 DOES have probability for drum tracks and that's my bad for missing it. And in general, to be clear, I don't think one device is objectively better... They're both the gold standard for budget, hands-on, surprisingly powerful gear. Hopefully this helps you decide which one fits your specific needs better.
Yep, it becomes a multitrack midi controller. I did a video about that exact thing at the beginning of this year, and the process should be pretty much the same with the Tracks.
Intresting vid.need some advice pal iv been trying to synch my korg electribe 2 into my minilogue so i can play minilogue on my electribe .ive turned input up but no sound .is pluged in midi out and sent to synch in to the electribe with midi cable (ive got the synch adapter)is something i need to press ?
I've recently been watching many of Gabe's videos about Grooveboxes. All very helpful (especially the "Terms" one). This was the one where I finally felt like I decided on which one would work best for me and my budget (the Novation Tracks). I am a beginner, no music training, never learned an instrument. But I've always enjoyed electronic music (especially Todd Terje) and remixes, and want to try getting my music ideas out of my head and onto recordings. His description of the easier live jamming and intuitive interface with Tracks is what sold me! Thanks for your informative and easy to understand videos Gabe! 🙂
That's awesome! Hopefully you enjoy it, glad the videos have been helpful. I've got multiple tutorials as well if you get stuck. Getting into music production can be a huge learning curve but it's super fulfilling, regardless of the gear route you go for.
I bought an Mc101 and, even though I was worried about the menu diving, I got used to the shortcuts and button combos really quickly. On the other hand, Circuit's workflow is a thing of beauty. That's why I really wanted chromatic sample flipping, direct sampling and more synth tracks. I really don't care about having side chain inside the box since I prefer to mix and master outside the device. Of course that depends on the way you use the machine, from a performance stand point having side chain compression it's very handy. Thanks for the video!
Yeah the MC-101 workflow is pretty fluid at this point, which is great to see. And having the ability to chromatically flip and even chop samples on the 101 is really useful and unique for something of this price and feature set.
I was actually looking for exactly this kind of comparison. This is super informative, so happy I found this channel. definitely deserves more subs. keep it up, you're doing everything right.
I ordered my Circuit Tracks as a complete newb and was kinda unsure wether the 101 would have been better for the money. Nonetheless I went on a 6 hour binge with my Circuit today. Its just such a fun and intuitive device.
What is nice about the circuit is the FREE offline editor. Roland's subscription model for an offline editor alone disqualified the 101 for me. I had the 707, and IMO the Roland Zencore sound is unapologetically digital, more so than other digital synths I own. I never fully loved any demos of the circuit engine, so for me could only be a scratch pad, but one with amazing workflow. I could see using one for writing on the go, then using that midi to send to my other synths to be used for their sound. Best of both worlds if you don't mind the extra steps. Nice video as always!
This comparison is pretty spot on. I never owned a circuit, the but workflow seems really fluid and a definitely better performance device than the mc101. If you're new to music production and want a device you can lay down ideas fairly easily, i would probably go with the circuit tracks, if you want to do more sound design in a box and dont mind menu diving and really learning as many aspects of a device as possible, i would say shoot for the mc-101
On the 101 you can use the 4 macro's to change different parameters for each track. I sometimes tweak decay on the bass and filter on the arp for instance. When it's on 'filter' it can still change any parameter you want. So that could be a selling point for the 101, albeit something very specific.
Gabe, you really have the talent to explain things very very clear without being boring at all. I really appreciate the fact, that you always clarify if it is an objective difference or your personal opinion. I agree, that the most powerful addition to the circuit is the possibility to sequence two external devices AND mix them with the internal effects. I own an MC-101 and love it. But, when i want to use it for example with my modal craftsynth 2, I need a mixer, a lot of cables and an additional sequencer (with a different workflow) because the craftsynth doesn't have one built in.
Thanks for another great video Gabe! Just got me a Circuit Tracks and I think it's perfect for finding inspiration when you've been stuck inside the box for too long!
Thank you very much for this very informative video. At the MC-101 you can also change the settings for the knobs, so that all 4 control one track at the same time. So you can be able to change the cutoff and resonance at the same time for example. For the circuit tracks I am still unsure how I think about it. I feel like they optimised some things but not as much as they could have. We still don't know all the details about the new Rhythm but I think one machine with the capabilities of both would have been perfect.
It's really interesting to see each device's strengths and weaknesses knowing these differences can be nice since it makes it easier for someone to chose between them based on what that person is specifically looking for.
damn I have the 101 and that audio input from the tracks would be an awesome feature to have! I hope the Rythm improves on that and add the ability to live record samples from that input as well.. that would be the perfect setup for me !
All I will say is....... "Polyend Tracker"!!!!!! All argument's over! 💯👌🏾 life changing instrument/synth/performance tool/groove box/sound shaping device/interface/feel/speed/learning curve/inspiration and pretty much everything.
I definitely want to give one a go. But not everyone is going to be down to learn the Tracker workflow, and not everyone is able or willing to pay the extra for it. There's still absolutely a place for more pads based grooveboxes.
@@GabeMillerMusic Honestly, I thought the exact same until I tried the Polyend, then I was hooked! it really is such a great bit of kit, and for what is achievable on the tracker it really destroy's the groovebox price range battle, it's got £1000 quality, functionality, great build and feels amazing. (sorry, I'm just a bit of a fanboy ATM :)) it really has changed my entire workflow and outlook on music production.
Hey Gabe, relative newbie to electronic music production. Been having great fun with Logic, but have been watching your content for months. Love your style and your approach. Was looking for a good place to start my groovebox journey. Opted for the Circuit Tracks and I’m absolutely loving it. Will you have dedicated Tracks packs for sale soon? If so, I’ll be first in line to buy them. Thanks again and keep it up Gabe. 👏👏👏👏🏴
Just bought the circuit tracks! One thing worth mentioning is that circuit tracks is the second generation and has improved over time and after much user feedback. Cant wait to get my hands dirty!
Just bought my circuit two months ago. Will have to wait a few months, but definitely getting it. Not selling the og, though. Probably combine them for 14 tracks!
As always, straight to the point, very mature and non biased comments. Not interested in any of these devices but enjoyed this incredible well thought video.
A thing that has me still considering the MC-101 is running via USB bus power. I think it would go really well with a USB power bank but I don't see a lot of talk about using it that way. Really seems like Roland underplayed it as a feature
Really difficult to decide between those two. People tend to fall a bit for more features and here i think the 101 would win. You can have 16 samples tracks + 3 powerful synth tracks, usb multitrack audio and clip based workflow. However in my experience the Circuit is just so much more pleasant to use. Very quick, immediate and logical. Just think about the experience when deciding! Btw. i chose a used OP-Z in this price range, hahaa. The sequencer is just insane + a lot of other stuff and a lot of fun.
@@KunchangLeeMusic Didn't know Bon Iver, but had a listen. If i had to do such music directly on a groovebox, i would probably go with an MPC One honestly. Reason is that none of those small devices is great at working with samples. In EU the Circuit Tracks is 400 Eur, MC101 is 430, OP-Z 500 (400 used). MPC One is 600 Eur and maybe 520 used. So the prices are pretty close. If i was forced to choose between the 3 portable boxes for that type of music, it would be 101.
@@Maochan81 Yesterday I bought used MC-101 for 300Eur. I probably would go with Circuit Track if not this real bargain offer I found. It had been send today to me so can't wait to get it
@@sinewaymusic A month :) It's tiny music powerhouse, with great, great sound patches, with well samples capabilities, very,very portable which is really big pros. But it suffers (my opinion) from lack of proper song mode and 60sec sample limitation. In fact if it had more memory for sample I could workout song mode quite easy with looper track. MC-101 is suite the best for live performance at least with current 1.60 fw. I'm using 101 not mostly for sketch ideas on my couch and later evolve it in Ableton. I made one full song but it took a week and at the end I fixed few issues in DAW. So I might as well did it in Ableton entirely. Besides all that 101 is fun...a lot of fun!!
Gabe, please make a song of these two fighting each other on each solo!! Each one putting its best strengths on each solo duel... And in the end the Circuit assimilates the MC-101 inside a midi track with side chain and effects for a dope performance beat!!
When I found out Roland recently rolled out proper Zen-core userbank support to the MC-101 it was what has pushed me to be willing to spend the extra money on the MC-101 after my MS-20 Mini sells. This opens a huge world of possibilities for the MC-101 if you are willing to do your sound design on a computer as that means the full Zen-core synth engine is now properly usable on the MC-101 which wasn't the case before. I really think Roland has been slow to roll out features to the MC-101 as they where afraid of it possibly cannibalizing some MC-707 sales. Doing sound design on my computer doesn't bother me but I still wish Roland would allow more access to the parameters on the MC-101 itself even if it would inevitably end up super menu dive heavy. The other major downside with the MC-101 is if you do want to make your own sounds/presets on a computer to my knowledge that requires either paying for a Roland Cloud subscription or buying a lifetime license to Zenology Pro which either way you go is an extra expense against the MC-101. For me though having what is becoming more and more access to the proper Zen-core experience in such a relatively affordable package just makes the MC-101 too good to ignore for me even with it's limitations, especially when I consider most of it's Zen-core based compatriots cost so freaking much when many are 1K or more here in the states. I would still say parts of the MC-101 have obvious places where Roalnd can expand it's feature set and I half expect them to as it seems they intentionally held back a little to see what the competing devices would offer.
Thanks for the video! I saw the original Circuit at Instafest several years ago and bought it. I love steptime recording and thought it would get me back into it. The entire reason for selling it was the lack of a screen. I never knew exactly what the pads were doing. I spent the entire time I had it looking at the poorly written manual and the cheat sheet, trying to accomplish anything, The fact that you have no feedback to tell where you are left me never using it. I, also, have a JDxi, that’s almost as frustrating. The fact that all sounds are tied to the pattern, to some on who’s first synth was a Juno 60, is stupid. I saw the MC101 at NAMM and it seems to be a major improvement over the JDxi. Just the fact that I can name a bass sound and use it on 3 different songs, is so much better, than coping a pattern and then spinning all of the way through the sounds to not find it...It’s tied to the pattern. That too is a complaint of mine about the Circuit, with no screen I can’t jut name a sound and use it wherever I want to (the Editor Lib. for the Circuit was far from easy to use). The one thing I really loved about all of these named units sound great! But, I have to respectfully disagree that the Circuit is easier for anyone to ever use. I suppose you might be able to learn all of the button pushes by roat, but I certainly didn’t. I own both the PreSonus Atom and Atom SQ and the addition of the screen, IMHO, makes the SQ a hundred times easier to use, FWIW. Thanks again for the video.
thanks, I'm from a world before cryptic coloured squares (ex MC-303 owner), so interesting to hear it's not easy for everyone to grasp. I think the MC-101 is closer to what I'm used to.
Bougth my first groovebox for something like a 3 weeks ago. Actually wanted to purchase Notaion Circuit cuz while it seems less capable than MC-101, it's much more simpler to dive in (and it aslo a little bit cheaper). However there was no possibility to get Circuit in my region, so MC-101 was the only option I had. And I really like it - such a great device to start. But now, when Tracks is out, I'm already wainting 'till it arrives to us and will take it too.
Good job, kid. The thing I respect about this channel, you don't seem to be in anyone's poclket. Moreso, it's obvious you actually USE the products you speak on (as opposed with being sent gear to borrow along with a script to read aloud). Please keep it that way, I was the first to be "sponsored" via YT content (on an entirely different account within a different domain..but it's all the same. It is impossible to "keep it real" and have sponsorships these days, and honestly it's because so many 'Starboys' out there wanna be....all in the video, all on the record, dancin....etc. :-)
I'm not cool with people putting down any of my contemporaries to make me look better, but I appreciate the sentiment. I value my integrity and try to make it VERY clear when something is or isn't sponsored, and always keep the focus on the music making process. I've been fortunate to work with brands more often lately, and they've been cool about giving me quite a bit of creative control.
Don’t forget the MC-101 can also sequence external hardware. In effect, it could actually sequence four external synths by using all four tracks as tone tracks controlling external MIDI. Circuit Tracks with 2 external synths would leave drums + 2 internal synths, MC-101 with 2 external synths would leave drums + 1 internal synths. I suppose the Circuit Tracks could probably run duplicate sequences on internal and external synths in the same way as the original Circuit? As can the MC-101. The MC also has probability, but only on drum tracks I think? The way the external synths can be routed back into the Circuit Tracks is really cool (the more expensive MC-707 can do that, I think, but not the MC-101). The MC-101 can also sample directly via USB which is really handy to capture sound from a phone or iPad etc, but it only is currently usable on the looper tracks. I’m hoping firmware 1.7 might change that! I’ve been looking forward to seeing the performance of the Circuit Tracks for a while and it seems really good. I think combining a Circuit Tracks with the Circuit Rhythm (when it’s released) could be a killer combo! Great video as always!
I'll go for the tracks. I want to MIDI sync it with my RC 505. I play percussion and wind instruments and I want a setup that works good for performances.
From my point of view, there is one key difference between those 2, and actually very important one. Zenoligy pro vs novation circuit component. Unlike the mc707, mc101 is limited on how to edit the synth patch, not even an LFO :-/ The only way to do your own patches is to buy zenoligy for 250€. On the other hand, novation circuit need also an external tool to edit the patches called novation circuit component that is for free (linux compatible!!) and with it you can build patches, backup your device... So in one way would make sense to even compare those 2 tools to edit your patches on your hardware.
Instead of a VS and having them fight, I want to see them have a hug and collab on some music :D MC101 and Circuit Tracks collaborating to make music would be a dope jam ;)
@@GabeMillerMusic Will love to see you playing it! I am spoiled by iOS Gadget, Cubasis and got Zenbeats from day one. Just upcoming integration with Verselab is a killer harness, both on a go with iOS and desktop on a studio table driving synths. (skipped on 101/707 due to lack of this integration, but i knew Roland is up to something with Zenbeats. Maybe even support other grooveboxes one day). But man, I like the Circuit pads and sequencer flow! (as in Launchpads and Push). One drum and two synth is too little to jam on a go. If at least Circuit could capture audio of from driving external synths to the same tracks it would be a real deal. Will keep waiting for Push Standalone, really hoped Circuit be closer to it. For pocket groovebox OP-Z is a s great. Love to learn more on Verselab. I think everyone should get zen-core in some shape or form eventually. All great stuff!
@@GabeMillerMusic because it's been cool to hate Roland for the past 10 years but nobody will admit that's why. everyone nitpicks the crap out of everything they make while giving Behringer endless praise. imho it's the price tags and nothing else.
I just can’t decide. Leaning towards circuit tracks but wouldn’t have any external gear to connect to it. Don’t mind spending a bit more time learning the mc101 if it suits my needs better. Anyone with experience got any advice?
Thanks to you and Loopop, I've ordered both of these and I already have a VerseLab MV-1! LOL. I just love these kinds of devices and I have different needs at different times. Thank you for your in-depth videos and all the great tips! You and Loopop, among some others too, are real assets to our community because of your willingness to share your knowledge.
Well, you can without problem create full songs on Tracks easily, that sound good. If you're interested, check out my newest video- the song is created on Tracks and OG Circuit
Adeptus Psychonautica, no sir. Please don't sell it short. There are too many "modular synth" cats out there who only play 'drone ambient" or some Plinkity-Plunk-Bleep-Bleep-Bloops. Seriously, I don't own either one, but I have the original 808, 606, 626, 707,, 909, and now the 8s. I also have the Circuit and the Circuit Monostation. Definitely check out the Circuit Patch Store...this will help you become inspired, and I assure you that you will be creating whatever sort of music you want on that thing. Throw your sh*t up once you've rocked it some. All the best with it!
Wrong, because a noob wants a big patch library. The Circuit needs you to set up all the patches and samples you want to use. You need weeks to program all those synth patches with the external editor.
I love my MC-101. Either standalone or as a sound module slaved to the MPC One, it's earned a permanent place in my setup. The biggest negative for me is that the pads are terrible. I'm surprised nobody seems to mention it. If you hook up a midi controller with nice pads (like the Launchkey mini mk3) it improves things massively.
One last thing Gabe, if the mutate feature randomizes a patterns sequence, you can also do that on a clip by clip basis on tone tracks & drum tracks by shift & pressing a clip, then changing the mode from FWD to RND
Hmmm. Great review Gabe. We should figure out your Las Vegas Residency EDM Moniker. Like G- Money? Naw-General Mechanics? Anyway-thank you for posting, Man!
Oh wow didn't know the 101 is so expensive in the States. In Europe it's the same price as the new Tracks. I was kinda hoping for 101 functionality with a circuit workflow. That would be so rad. Still kinda want the Tracks though, it does seem nice and I bet it'll get a bunch of new features with updates. I'd definitely wait for it to go down in price, but I can see how it's exactly what some people were waiting for.
Before I start, I loved the OG Circuit. This comparison seems to be swayed towards the Novation Tracks, and I think that's because it's new. I have 2 x MC-101 units and I absolutely know that these are much better and capable than the Tracks is. Yes there's menu-diving, but once you know where stuff is it's really not a problem. The Tracks has 2 x 6-note synths, yet the MC-101 can have 4 synths with many, many notes AND have a different sound on each clip, so the Tracks is very limited in comparison. The Novation box needs to be linked to a computer to properly edit/create sounds and to transfer samples = the MC-101 you just dump the WAV files on the SD card. Handy MC-101 Shortcuts: Track and > = randomises the current track whilst held (so it does have a 'mutate' equivalent) Track and < = reverses the current track whilst held Also, the MC-101 DOES have probability = shows as 'MTE' when step editing. These 2 together would be a great combo, but if anyone thinks the Tracks is better than the MC-101 is nonsense to me = more immediate maybe, but not better in terms of sound and functions
I was a little worried when I put this out that it showed a Circuit bias, as that's not my intent at all. I think the Circuit wins on workflow and live jamming (especially with multiple devices), but there's a huge amount of producers who will get much more out of the MC-101's features (how it effortlessly and powerfully deals with samples, its synth engine, audio over USB, chord and arp and random patch engines, the list goes on). I think "better" is a strong word, but the 101 will definitely be better for someone trying to make full, polished songs. I still think the Tracks is better for complete beginners and for advanced live jamming. It's nuanced and situationally dependent, and that's why I try to steer clear of just calling one device better overall.
@@GabeMillerMusic I do understand what mean, and I'm glad you made that distinction whilst summing-up. I did edit my comment so it didn't sound like I was saying you thought the Track was better (knowing how much you love the Circuit!) but after getting the MC-101 I can see how much better it is than the Circuit & Tracks (which isn't as much of an upgrade as I'd hoped), however if you pair these things together you get the best of both worlds, which maybe should've been your recommendation right at the end
I appreciate it. I didn't recommend both simply because I'm imagining that a lot of people looking to buy a budget groovebox can't or aren't willing to spend the money to get both, which is why I took the approach of showing features and capabilities so people can decide which fits their needs better. Both devices together would definitely be a powerful combination though, I'm hoping to give that a go in the nearish future.
The tracks holds a special place on the groovebox realm. The inmediacy of it cannot be found anywhere ese. It works beautfully as the brain of far more complex gear, since the sequencing and midi implementation is the best out there, just for the simplicity of it. Where it lacks a bit is in the Synth engine, but has great effects, a master compressor, and SIDE CHAIN... As i said, the synth engine may lack (although it can do pretty decent bass and pads), but if your main use is going to be MIDI sequencing, then this thing is going to be hard to beat (even compared to elektron gear), The two midi tracks work like butter. Don't think twice about it, for the price, its unbeatable.
I enjoy your videos and your production is top notch, but I think you missed or incorrectly stated a bunch of stuff about the MC-101. I hate to be the 'well actually" guy...BUT 1. note probability - Not only do you have note probability on drum kits, but you can set the clip play modes for all tracks including inverse and random 2. distortion - There are tons of distortion, saturation, and overdrive FX that you can put on each track. it’s Roland/Boss after all. They make guitar pedals. There's like 90 different FX to choose from on each track. 3. side chain - You can 'fake side chain' using the motion designer to apply waveform modulation to volume or filter 4. external input - You can actually route audio over USB into 101 enabling you to record external audio into a looper track or assign the scatter to USB input. If you have an additional audio interface with analog inputs, if you set the 101 as the audio output and the other interface as the audio input in a DAW, you route LIVE EXTERNAL INPUT through the 101. Run a microphone or external synth through the scatter for instance, 5. control knob modes - There’s an option to change the 101’s control knobs to macros for controlling 4 parameters of a single track instead of 1 parameter for all 4 tracks. set ‘knob trk’ to ‘single’ in the system settings. 6. batteries - The 101 will run off a USB power bank. It's actually the best way. I can get 20 hours of use from a small $17 power bank. Never use alkaline batteries. 7. master filter - There a button to toggle the master FX off/on right nest to master FX knobs. That’s what you use to engage the filter instead of a notch at 12 o’clock. It’s actually better as you can set the filter at a certain level and instantly jump to it in addition to sweeping the filter. 8. synth engines - One thing I think you missed in comparing the synth engines is that the Zen-Core has a wider range and a lot more acoustic and bread n’ butter sounds. You can do way more styles of music with Zen-Core vs Novation’s virtual analog synth engine.
Thanks for the comment. Tbh I was a bit worried that I displayed some unintended Circuit bias, which wasn't my goal at all since I adore the 101 and think it's an incredibly powerful, impressive device. 1. Yeah not sure how I missed that one. I even dug through the manual for my "tips and tricks" video and still managed to not come across it. That's my bad. 2. Yeah totally, I just wish I could control it within the unit itself for both samples and patches more. 3. Totally, although I imagine that only works for straightahead drum patterns (4 on the floor or similar). 4. I definitely should mess with that more. 6. Yeah, I didn't mention it but I figured that was known. I still like the batteries for ultimate portability though. 7. True, but I like the notch because it's more forgiving... Since it's continuous, you don't have to 100% nail the timing on the downbeat. 8. I mentioned all of that briefly, but probably could have gone more in depth. I also really like that the Zencore engine is meant to be the basis for a lot of Roland stuff, so you can get pretty accurate recreations of classic Roland synths in a budget hardware device. Plus the way it works with samples is something that the current Circuits can't touch.
now that all the shops are closed, im super grateful that you do these comparisons! thanks! do you know if the roland supports live recording midi data from a midi keyboard?
Owned the 101 but eventually sold it, too much menu-diving for my taste but amazing sounds though (especially with the Zen-core ability). Got the Circuit Tracks a few days ago and love the way you immediately craft songs and arrangements...and Novations track-record with all the fantastic updates on the og Circuit should be a major ”PRO” for the Circuit comparison. That was one of the reasons its my weapon of choice...right now that is. :)
Hey Gabe! Thanks so much for shairing the knowledge! I'm owning the mc 101 and Circuit OG focusing on live performances. I love the combination of the dirtyness of the og and clean sound of the mc 101. But as you said live performance with the roland is not as smooth as with the circuit (especially tracks). I wonder if you can control two tracks of the mc 101 via Midi tracks and use even side chain or put parameters of the roland to the microknobs of the circuit. Do you think that would work?
Dude I love your work! However, I would still love to see you do something with the Novation circuit and the zoom ar48... If you can't do both, at least do something on the zoom, ar48 please!!!
You always have good content. I think a lot of new artists want audio over usb I think most middle level to high level musicians want individual outs. Once you spend a lot of money on a good audio interface with lots of inputs the last thing you want is the output of your instrument going through a cheap usb conversion.
Thanks! I'd disagree a bit with the assessment of audio over USB... I like minimalist setups, and would happily take sending multitrack audio through USB over multiple outs into an audio interface any day. It's clean, quick to set up, and pretty much no one will be able to hear the difference. Plus, since I went from just working in the DAW to leaning heavily on grooveboxes, I don't even own an audio interface with more than four mono inputs, and I'm guessing that's a case for a lot of people in my situation. The Circuit Tracks is the first time I've really given into the spread out "table full of gear" setup, since it works so seamlessly.
@@GabeMillerMusic It's better to have it and not use it than not have it. Its easier to make audio over usb work that the physical change to the box of adding more inputs. So if I'm realistic it's more likely audio over usb will be the new trend.
For me the biggest game changer on the mc101 would be to allow four more “phantom” tracks that only worked on MIDI out. No extra strain on the audio device but would open it up for live performance even more
Before i finish the video, i just hope both novation and roland do not stop updating the firmwares for these devices anytime soon (more worried about roland since mc101 has been out longer)
Gabe Miller Music would ChordBot (Chord Module VIA Midi) give you a better vantage to review a pro/con between MC-101 and Circuit Tracks? Love your final words on MC-101 - Spotify-Advanced; VS. Circuit - Beginner Dawless Summation
Gabe on og circuit if you pick blank pattern and make chords on steps then turn volume down on synth track...you can play chords live and they sound...so kinda like chord mode😉 either turn volume down or hold bottom left step on it it holds that Patten so think you pick blank pattern but hold the Patten with left bottom step that holds you on that Patten view so you can play chords live?
What I would really like to see is a behringer groovebox with two analog voices (model d and deep mind?) A wave table synth, an Mc101 style drum track and some nice TC electronics effects. If you add a streamlined workflow you have a winner.
so it basically took Novation an extra year or 2 to create TWO machines that still don't handle samples as well as the MC-101. Menu diving sucks and the Circuit absolutely has a special work flow... but dang, they really shot the Tracks and the Rhythm in the knee caps for no reason. MC-101 and a manual is gonna have to do it for me. Thank you for all your content!
It's definitely a bummer, and an odd limitation. I still love the Circuits, but I don't have enough technical knowledge to defend/not defend Novation. The MC-101 is a great device, it's way more powerful than people realize.
Great video Gabe, I have a question: when using external synths on the circuit is there any way to program a change of the preset of the external synth sio when you switch project the external synth sound changes?
That's definitely an improvement on the original Circuit, thanks for mentioning that. It's still not nearly as clean as it is on the MC-101 though, which can map a sample to a keyboard and treat it like a synth track.
True, but it is a bit of a workaround, whereas the MC-101 has that built right in. My point with that section is that the MC-101 is more optimized for samples, although the Circuit can do quite a bit.
Congrats first, as always great hands-on insights!! I have one question on my mind: The OG Circuit sends out automation as midi CCs over usb midi, but not over midi out. Did you have a chance to try if the new models sends MIDI CCs over the midi port as well? Cheers & best wishes!
I wouldn’t leave the Circuit Tracks plugged in all the time. I really doubt that they have the advanced battery conditioning that Apple does (for instance). You will shorten the battery life if it is charging all the time. Just plug it in during use or before going mobile. If they do have advanced battery conditioning, that would be good to know.
That's really a shame. Devices like this stay useful for much longer than the latest cellphone etc, so a battery that's not easily replaceable is a bit of a non-starter for a lot of people (myself included). Great review!!
Rechargeable batteries - Am I a joke to you? The built in battery is a big con to me. If you use it regularly it will last maybe three years. If you for some reason forgets it uncharged it can be dead in a year.
I wish the MC-101 had the randomized type of sound option for drum tracks* like the tone track has. Them adding that in general has made the mc101 a keeper for me
I have a video coming on randomized sounds, it's one of the coolest features. They do have tone tracks for drum sounds, but that's fairly hit or miss (and not quite what you're saying).
@@GabeMillerMusic yea its definitely hit or miss on the sounds it creates, but the randomized tone sounds tend to be good starting points for a bit of sound design on the box (if you stick to poly,pad, or analog)
Cool can you do a novation mk3 with mv-1 verselab. Maybe a great mix of equipment. Because you can get so much classic roland sounds in the verselab with cloud downloads and controle with 8/16 patches mk3 as well.
20:22 +: the Tracks can really process the external audio in? Like, they go through the ADSR, Delay etc? That's what annoys me with my TR8S, your can sidechain external audio, but no delay, reverb etc
It's a decent time now to buy a used MC since they've been out for a while. The extra tracks alone of the 707 doesn't in itself make it the one to get, or the sampling, but the deeper synth engine might be. I'm good with not being able to edit too deep depending the circumstance, but circuit actually lets you get in there with an editor. 101 doesn't. But the 707 is going to cost twice the price of the 101 and the 101 is going to be a ton of fun anyway. Anyway, how is it not being able to edit sounds much? And do you use an eitor on Circuit (components or otherwise)? Nice new circuit demos. Hopefully you have the unit outright already so you can continue making videos on it.
Roland did release a plugin for their Zencore synth engine that gives you similar control to Novation's components, although you have to pay for it. I don't do a ton of patch editing outside of either device, but I do load samples on frequently. It's super easy on the MC-101. And yeah I own the Tracks outright, lots more videos with it on the way.
even if i sold the OG circuit (the 707 as well, hated the roland work"flow") and i have the deluge, i bought the tracks now again, just for fun and jamming.
Quick correction, the MC-101 DOES have probability for drum tracks and that's my bad for missing it.
And in general, to be clear, I don't think one device is objectively better... They're both the gold standard for budget, hands-on, surprisingly powerful gear. Hopefully this helps you decide which one fits your specific needs better.
Yep, it becomes a multitrack midi controller. I did a video about that exact thing at the beginning of this year, and the process should be pretty much the same with the Tracks.
Intresting vid.need some advice pal iv been trying to synch my korg electribe 2 into my minilogue so i can play minilogue on my electribe .ive turned input up but no sound .is pluged in midi out and sent to synch in to the electribe with midi cable (ive got the synch adapter)is something i need to press ?
You are Richard Huckle
Great comparison. Thanks Gabe. Would you ever review/look at the 101’s big brother, the 707?
Really? How so? I mean, in the video you seem to say that the Circuit kicks the MC101's ass. Isn't workflow the main feature of a groovebox?
I've recently been watching many of Gabe's videos about Grooveboxes. All very helpful (especially the "Terms" one). This was the one where I finally felt like I decided on which one would work best for me and my budget (the Novation Tracks).
I am a beginner, no music training, never learned an instrument. But I've always enjoyed electronic music (especially Todd Terje) and remixes, and want to try getting my music ideas out of my head and onto recordings. His description of the easier live jamming and intuitive interface with Tracks is what sold me! Thanks for your informative and easy to understand videos Gabe! 🙂
That's awesome! Hopefully you enjoy it, glad the videos have been helpful. I've got multiple tutorials as well if you get stuck. Getting into music production can be a huge learning curve but it's super fulfilling, regardless of the gear route you go for.
I bought an Mc101 and, even though I was worried about the menu diving, I got used to the shortcuts and button combos really quickly. On the other hand, Circuit's workflow is a thing of beauty. That's why I really wanted chromatic sample flipping, direct sampling and more synth tracks. I really don't care about having side chain inside the box since I prefer to mix and master outside the device. Of course that depends on the way you use the machine, from a performance stand point having side chain compression it's very handy. Thanks for the video!
Yeah the MC-101 workflow is pretty fluid at this point, which is great to see. And having the ability to chromatically flip and even chop samples on the 101 is really useful and unique for something of this price and feature set.
I was actually looking for exactly this kind of comparison. This is super informative, so happy I found this channel. definitely deserves more subs. keep it up, you're doing everything right.
YES BUT ..YOU COULD SAY WHATS YOUR CHOICE BETWEEN THESE
I ordered my Circuit Tracks as a complete newb and was kinda unsure wether the 101 would have been better for the money. Nonetheless I went on a 6 hour binge with my Circuit today. Its just such a fun and intuitive device.
Thanks , just what I was looking for. I’ve got a Volca and DAW’s but want a groove box . So I don’t have to use a computer.
@@jambutty2218 any updates so far? how you like it
Love this! It's honestly impressive how quickly you got something this deep and well done in such a short time!
Super easy, barely an inconvenience
Beautiful.
Wow! wow wow Wow
Wow
I understand this reference
I dont
These kind of references are TIGHT
What is nice about the circuit is the FREE offline editor. Roland's subscription model for an offline editor alone disqualified the 101 for me. I had the 707, and IMO the Roland Zencore sound is unapologetically digital, more so than other digital synths I own. I never fully loved any demos of the circuit engine, so for me could only be a scratch pad, but one with amazing workflow. I could see using one for writing on the go, then using that midi to send to my other synths to be used for their sound. Best of both worlds if you don't mind the extra steps. Nice video as always!
Me watching this already owning an mc-101 knowing damn well Im buying a tracks eventually too.
I appreciate your honesty about the design and user experience with all these devices. Love your videos
This comparison is pretty spot on. I never owned a circuit, the but workflow seems really fluid and a definitely better performance device than the mc101. If you're new to music production and want a device you can lay down ideas fairly easily, i would probably go with the circuit tracks, if you want to do more sound design in a box and dont mind menu diving and really learning as many aspects of a device as possible, i would say shoot for the mc-101
On the 101 you can use the 4 macro's to change different parameters for each track. I sometimes tweak decay on the bass and filter on the arp for instance. When it's on 'filter' it can still change any parameter you want. So that could be a selling point for the 101, albeit something very specific.
Gabe, you really have the talent to explain things very very clear without being boring at all. I really appreciate the fact, that you always clarify if it is an objective difference or your personal opinion. I agree, that the most powerful addition to the circuit is the possibility to sequence two external devices AND mix them with the internal effects. I own an MC-101 and love it. But, when i want to use it for example with my modal craftsynth 2, I need a mixer, a lot of cables and an additional sequencer (with a different workflow) because the craftsynth doesn't have one built in.
The dream couple. I got both and I'm happy ;-)
Thanks for another great video Gabe! Just got me a Circuit Tracks and I think it's perfect for finding inspiration when you've been stuck inside the box for too long!
Thank you very much for this very informative video. At the MC-101 you can also change the settings for the knobs, so that all 4 control one track at the same time. So you can be able to change the cutoff and resonance at the same time for example. For the circuit tracks I am still unsure how I think about it. I feel like they optimised some things but not as much as they could have. We still don't know all the details about the new Rhythm but I think one machine with the capabilities of both would have been perfect.
OP1+ Electribe+Model Cycles+ Both Circuits+ MC101+ (whatever else I'm missing here)=The Megazord/Voltron of set ups.
It's really interesting to see each device's strengths and weaknesses knowing these differences can be nice since it makes it easier for someone to chose between them based on what that person is specifically looking for.
That's the idea! Hopefully it helps
damn I have the 101 and that audio input from the tracks would be an awesome feature to have! I hope the Rythm improves on that and add the ability to live record samples from that input as well.. that would be the perfect setup for me !
All I will say is.......
"Polyend Tracker"!!!!!!
All argument's over! 💯👌🏾 life changing instrument/synth/performance tool/groove box/sound shaping device/interface/feel/speed/learning curve/inspiration and pretty much everything.
I definitely want to give one a go. But not everyone is going to be down to learn the Tracker workflow, and not everyone is able or willing to pay the extra for it. There's still absolutely a place for more pads based grooveboxes.
@@GabeMillerMusic Honestly, I thought the exact same until I tried the Polyend, then I was hooked! it really is such a great bit of kit, and for what is achievable on the tracker it really destroy's the groovebox price range battle, it's got £1000 quality, functionality, great build and feels amazing. (sorry, I'm just a bit of a fanboy ATM :)) it really has changed my entire workflow and outlook on music production.
I have the mc101 and the mc707...still gonna get the Circuit Tracks too...great info video
Hey Gabe, relative newbie to electronic music production. Been having great fun with Logic, but have been watching your content for months. Love your style and your approach. Was looking for a good place to start my groovebox journey. Opted for the Circuit Tracks and I’m absolutely loving it. Will you have dedicated Tracks packs for sale soon? If so, I’ll be first in line to buy them. Thanks again and keep it up Gabe. 👏👏👏👏🏴
Just bought the circuit tracks! One thing worth mentioning is that circuit tracks is the second generation and has improved over time and after much user feedback. Cant wait to get my hands dirty!
New Circuit is not revolution but solid evolution. I ordered one immediately and received Yesterday😀
Where did u order it?
Just bought my circuit two months ago. Will have to wait a few months, but definitely getting it. Not selling the og, though. Probably combine them for 14 tracks!
@@newsdaily8270 Thomann
@@CoenBijpost yes, I am keeping my OG Circuit se well. It will pair nicely with the new one!
Yea my tracks comes in today also
As always, straight to the point, very mature and non biased comments. Not interested in any of these devices but enjoyed this incredible well thought video.
Ten year old Nova engine versus 35 year old Linear Algorithmic Synthesis 😂 I love em both forever!
A thing that has me still considering the MC-101 is running via USB bus power. I think it would go really well with a USB power bank but I don't see a lot of talk about using it that way. Really seems like Roland underplayed it as a feature
Thanks for the upload and reviews. I’m trying to decide which one would suit me best.
Really difficult to decide between those two. People tend to fall a bit for more features and here i think the 101 would win. You can have 16 samples tracks + 3 powerful synth tracks, usb multitrack audio and clip based workflow. However in my experience the Circuit is just so much more pleasant to use. Very quick, immediate and logical. Just think about the experience when deciding!
Btw. i chose a used OP-Z in this price range, hahaa. The sequencer is just insane + a lot of other stuff and a lot of fun.
If you had to pick between these two and the opz1 for like indie songwriting like Bon Iver - which would you pick ?
@@KunchangLeeMusic Didn't know Bon Iver, but had a listen. If i had to do such music directly on a groovebox, i would probably go with an MPC One honestly. Reason is that none of those small devices is great at working with samples. In EU the Circuit Tracks is 400 Eur, MC101 is 430, OP-Z 500 (400 used). MPC One is 600 Eur and maybe 520 used. So the prices are pretty close. If i was forced to choose between the 3 portable boxes for that type of music, it would be 101.
@@Maochan81 Yesterday I bought used MC-101 for 300Eur. I probably would go with Circuit Track if not this real bargain offer I found. It had been send today to me so can't wait to get it
@@dewille-pl Now that you've used it for a week, what do you think about it? And what do you like/hate the most?
@@sinewaymusic A month :) It's tiny music powerhouse, with great, great sound patches, with well samples capabilities, very,very portable which is really big pros. But it suffers (my opinion) from lack of proper song mode and 60sec sample limitation. In fact if it had more memory for sample I could workout song mode quite easy with looper track. MC-101 is suite the best for live performance at least with current 1.60 fw. I'm using 101 not mostly for sketch ideas on my couch and later evolve it in Ableton. I made one full song but it took a week and at the end I fixed few issues in DAW. So I might as well did it in Ableton entirely. Besides all that 101 is fun...a lot of fun!!
Gabe, please make a song of these two fighting each other on each solo!! Each one putting its best strengths on each solo duel... And in the end the Circuit assimilates the MC-101 inside a midi track with side chain and effects for a dope performance beat!!
Video title: The clash off the groovebox ... With a very impressive manga Goku style thumbnail!
They could battle through some unique styles of music. Hahahaha
Maybe I’m tripping here? Just an idea. Hahaha Keep up with the amazing videos. You rock!
Making a song with the MC-101 fed into the Circuit is on my list!
@@GabeMillerMusic WOW! Can’t wait to see...
When I found out Roland recently rolled out proper Zen-core userbank support to the MC-101 it was what has pushed me to be willing to spend the extra money on the MC-101 after my MS-20 Mini sells. This opens a huge world of possibilities for the MC-101 if you are willing to do your sound design on a computer as that means the full Zen-core synth engine is now properly usable on the MC-101 which wasn't the case before.
I really think Roland has been slow to roll out features to the MC-101 as they where afraid of it possibly cannibalizing some MC-707 sales. Doing sound design on my computer doesn't bother me but I still wish Roland would allow more access to the parameters on the MC-101 itself even if it would inevitably end up super menu dive heavy. The other major downside with the MC-101 is if you do want to make your own sounds/presets on a computer to my knowledge that requires either paying for a Roland Cloud subscription or buying a lifetime license to Zenology Pro which either way you go is an extra expense against the MC-101.
For me though having what is becoming more and more access to the proper Zen-core experience in such a relatively affordable package just makes the MC-101 too good to ignore for me even with it's limitations, especially when I consider most of it's Zen-core based compatriots cost so freaking much when many are 1K or more here in the states. I would still say parts of the MC-101 have obvious places where Roalnd can expand it's feature set and I half expect them to as it seems they intentionally held back a little to see what the competing devices would offer.
Thanks for the video! I saw the original Circuit at Instafest several years ago and bought it. I love steptime recording and thought it would get me back into it. The entire reason for selling it was the lack of a screen. I never knew exactly what the pads were doing. I spent the entire time I had it looking at the poorly written manual and the cheat sheet, trying to accomplish anything, The fact that you have no feedback to tell where you are left me never using it. I, also, have a JDxi, that’s almost as frustrating. The fact that all sounds are tied to the pattern, to some on who’s first synth was a Juno 60, is stupid. I saw the MC101 at NAMM and it seems to be a major improvement over the JDxi. Just the fact that I can name a bass sound and use it on 3 different songs, is so much better, than coping a pattern and then spinning all of the way through the sounds to not find it...It’s tied to the pattern. That too is a complaint of mine about the Circuit, with no screen I can’t jut name a sound and use it wherever I want to (the Editor Lib. for the Circuit was far from easy to use). The one thing I really loved about all of these named units sound great! But, I have to respectfully disagree that the Circuit is easier for anyone to ever use. I suppose you might be able to learn all of the button pushes by roat, but I certainly didn’t. I own both the PreSonus Atom and Atom SQ and the addition of the screen, IMHO, makes the SQ a hundred times easier to use, FWIW. Thanks again for the video.
thanks, I'm from a world before cryptic coloured squares (ex MC-303 owner), so interesting to hear it's not easy for everyone to grasp. I think the MC-101 is closer to what I'm used to.
Bougth my first groovebox for something like a 3 weeks ago. Actually wanted to purchase Notaion Circuit cuz while it seems less capable than MC-101, it's much more simpler to dive in (and it aslo a little bit cheaper). However there was no possibility to get Circuit in my region, so MC-101 was the only option I had. And I really like it - such a great device to start. But now, when Tracks is out, I'm already wainting 'till it arrives to us and will take it too.
The mc101 does have a probability option for notes & drum sounds on the sequencer through the mute(mte) parameter when you shift + press a step
Oh dang I'll give that a look
@@GabeMillerMusic actually doubled checked, mte is only available for drum tracks
Okay good to know. I hadn't run across it when I was digging through the manual to make my tips and tricks video so I'm guessing it's easy to miss
Good job, kid. The thing I respect about this channel, you don't seem to be in anyone's poclket. Moreso, it's obvious you actually USE the products you speak on (as opposed with being sent gear to borrow along with a script to read aloud).
Please keep it that way, I was the first to be "sponsored" via YT content (on an entirely different account within a different domain..but it's all the same. It is impossible to "keep it real" and have sponsorships these days, and honestly it's because so many 'Starboys' out there wanna be....all in the video, all on the record, dancin....etc. :-)
I'm not cool with people putting down any of my contemporaries to make me look better, but I appreciate the sentiment. I value my integrity and try to make it VERY clear when something is or isn't sponsored, and always keep the focus on the music making process. I've been fortunate to work with brands more often lately, and they've been cool about giving me quite a bit of creative control.
Don’t forget the MC-101 can also sequence external hardware. In effect, it could actually sequence four external synths by using all four tracks as tone tracks controlling external MIDI. Circuit Tracks with 2 external synths would leave drums + 2 internal synths, MC-101 with 2 external synths would leave drums + 1 internal synths. I suppose the Circuit Tracks could probably run duplicate sequences on internal and external synths in the same way as the original Circuit? As can the MC-101. The MC also has probability, but only on drum tracks I think?
The way the external synths can be routed back into the Circuit Tracks is really cool (the more expensive MC-707 can do that, I think, but not the MC-101). The MC-101 can also sample directly via USB which is really handy to capture sound from a phone or iPad etc, but it only is currently usable on the looper tracks. I’m hoping firmware 1.7 might change that!
I’ve been looking forward to seeing the performance of the Circuit Tracks for a while and it seems really good. I think combining a Circuit Tracks with the Circuit Rhythm (when it’s released) could be a killer combo!
Great video as always!
Yes the drums can be set to hit at a percentage in sequence mode
I'll go for the tracks. I want to MIDI sync it with my RC 505. I play percussion and wind instruments and I want a setup that works good for performances.
Thanks for the video. Planning to swap my 707 out for a 101 for the sounds alone to go along with a Deluge.
From my point of view, there is one key difference between those 2, and actually very important one. Zenoligy pro vs novation circuit component. Unlike the mc707, mc101 is limited on how to edit the synth patch, not even an LFO :-/ The only way to do your own patches is to buy zenoligy for 250€. On the other hand, novation circuit need also an external tool to edit the patches called novation circuit component that is for free (linux compatible!!) and with it you can build patches, backup your device... So in one way would make sense to even compare those 2 tools to edit your patches on your hardware.
Very interesting and thorough comparison.
Instead of a VS and having them fight, I want to see them have a hug and collab on some music :D
MC101 and Circuit Tracks collaborating to make music would be a dope jam ;)
Yeah I'm planning to do exactly that in the future!
@@GabeMillerMusic nice, looking forward to it
Can’t get over Circuit has one mono sample at a time on drum tracks. In between Tracks and MC101 I will be choosing VerseLab :)
Fair. I'm hoping to try the Verselab soon, I read the spec sheet and don't understand why more people aren't super pumped for it.
@@GabeMillerMusic Will love to see you playing it! I am spoiled by iOS Gadget, Cubasis and got Zenbeats from day one. Just upcoming integration with Verselab is a killer harness, both on a go with iOS and desktop on a studio table driving synths. (skipped on 101/707 due to lack of this integration, but i knew Roland is up to something with Zenbeats. Maybe even support other grooveboxes one day).
But man, I like the Circuit pads and sequencer flow! (as in Launchpads and Push). One drum and two synth is too little to jam on a go. If at least Circuit could capture audio of from driving external synths to the same tracks it would be a real deal. Will keep waiting for Push Standalone, really hoped Circuit be closer to it. For pocket groovebox OP-Z is a s great. Love to learn more on Verselab. I think everyone should get zen-core in some shape or form eventually. All great stuff!
@@GabeMillerMusic because it's been cool to hate Roland for the past 10 years but nobody will admit that's why. everyone nitpicks the crap out of everything they make while giving Behringer endless praise. imho it's the price tags and nothing else.
I just can’t decide. Leaning towards circuit tracks but wouldn’t have any external gear to connect to it. Don’t mind spending a bit more time learning the mc101 if it suits my needs better. Anyone with experience got any advice?
Thanks to you and Loopop, I've ordered both of these and I already have a VerseLab MV-1! LOL. I just love these kinds of devices and I have different needs at different times. Thank you for your in-depth videos and all the great tips! You and Loopop, among some others too, are real assets to our community because of your willingness to share your knowledge.
This has convinced me that circuit tracks is the way to go for a noob like me who just wants to make a few bleeps and bloops
Well, you can without problem create full songs on Tracks easily, that sound good. If you're interested, check out my newest video- the song is created on Tracks and OG Circuit
Adeptus Psychonautica, no sir. Please don't sell it short. There are too many "modular synth" cats out there who only play 'drone ambient" or some Plinkity-Plunk-Bleep-Bleep-Bloops.
Seriously, I don't own either one, but I have the original 808, 606, 626, 707,, 909, and now the 8s. I also have the Circuit and the Circuit Monostation. Definitely check out the Circuit Patch Store...this will help you become inspired, and I assure you that you will be creating whatever sort of music you want on that thing. Throw your sh*t up once you've rocked it some. All the best with it!
Wrong, because a noob wants a big patch library. The Circuit needs you to set up all the patches and samples you want to use.
You need weeks to program all those synth patches with the external editor.
@@pcuimac are the internal basic sounds that bad?
And is it that hard/long/tricky to upload news sounds into the circuits?
Good breakdown - without a doubt the Circuit for performance.
I love my MC-101. Either standalone or as a sound module slaved to the MPC One, it's earned a permanent place in my setup.
The biggest negative for me is that the pads are terrible. I'm surprised nobody seems to mention it. If you hook up a midi controller with nice pads (like the Launchkey mini mk3) it improves things massively.
Fair. I've never had a problem with the pads, but they are kinda dinky.
One last thing Gabe, if the mutate feature randomizes a patterns sequence, you can also do that on a clip by clip basis on tone tracks & drum tracks by shift & pressing a clip, then changing the mode from FWD to RND
Yep, although if I recall correctly, it randomizes it every time the clip loops.
I'd be keen to see your live set with just OG circuit, tracks + microfreak, 2 channel mixer with FX.
Love the pitch meeting reference lol
Barely an inconvenience 😆
I think I'm going to wait for circuit rhythm 😃👍🏽
Hmmm. Great review Gabe. We should figure out your Las Vegas Residency EDM Moniker. Like G- Money? Naw-General Mechanics? Anyway-thank you for posting, Man!
I hope you make more videos with the Novation Circuit Tracks, I think I will also buy it.
Yeah lots more on the way!
waiting for the demo tracks ;)
Great video and insight.. thanks. Both are great at different things. Think the Roland is more suited for what I want to achieve..
Great comparison!
Great video
Oh wow didn't know the 101 is so expensive in the States. In Europe it's the same price as the new Tracks. I was kinda hoping for 101 functionality with a circuit workflow. That would be so rad. Still kinda want the Tracks though, it does seem nice and I bet it'll get a bunch of new features with updates. I'd definitely wait for it to go down in price, but I can see how it's exactly what some people were waiting for.
Before I start, I loved the OG Circuit.
This comparison seems to be swayed towards the Novation Tracks, and I think that's because it's new.
I have 2 x MC-101 units and I absolutely know that these are much better and capable than the Tracks is.
Yes there's menu-diving, but once you know where stuff is it's really not a problem.
The Tracks has 2 x 6-note synths, yet the MC-101 can have 4 synths with many, many notes AND have a different sound on each clip, so the Tracks is very limited in comparison.
The Novation box needs to be linked to a computer to properly edit/create sounds and to transfer samples
= the MC-101 you just dump the WAV files on the SD card.
Handy MC-101 Shortcuts:
Track and > = randomises the current track whilst held (so it does have a 'mutate' equivalent)
Track and < = reverses the current track whilst held
Also, the MC-101 DOES have probability
= shows as 'MTE' when step editing.
These 2 together would be a great combo, but if anyone thinks the Tracks is better than the MC-101 is nonsense to me
= more immediate maybe, but not better in terms of sound and functions
I was a little worried when I put this out that it showed a Circuit bias, as that's not my intent at all. I think the Circuit wins on workflow and live jamming (especially with multiple devices), but there's a huge amount of producers who will get much more out of the MC-101's features (how it effortlessly and powerfully deals with samples, its synth engine, audio over USB, chord and arp and random patch engines, the list goes on). I think "better" is a strong word, but the 101 will definitely be better for someone trying to make full, polished songs. I still think the Tracks is better for complete beginners and for advanced live jamming. It's nuanced and situationally dependent, and that's why I try to steer clear of just calling one device better overall.
@@GabeMillerMusic I do understand what mean, and I'm glad you made that distinction whilst summing-up.
I did edit my comment so it didn't sound like I was saying you thought the Track was better (knowing how much you love the Circuit!) but after getting the MC-101 I can see how much better it is than the Circuit & Tracks (which isn't as much of an upgrade as I'd hoped), however if you pair these things together you get the best of both worlds, which maybe should've been your recommendation right at the end
I appreciate it. I didn't recommend both simply because I'm imagining that a lot of people looking to buy a budget groovebox can't or aren't willing to spend the money to get both, which is why I took the approach of showing features and capabilities so people can decide which fits their needs better. Both devices together would definitely be a powerful combination though, I'm hoping to give that a go in the nearish future.
The tracks holds a special place on the groovebox realm. The inmediacy of it cannot be found anywhere ese. It works beautfully as the brain of far more complex gear, since the sequencing and midi implementation is the best out there, just for the simplicity of it. Where it lacks a bit is in the Synth engine, but has great effects, a master compressor, and SIDE CHAIN...
As i said, the synth engine may lack (although it can do pretty decent bass and pads), but if your main use is going to be MIDI sequencing, then this thing is going to be hard to beat (even compared to elektron gear), The two midi tracks work like butter.
Don't think twice about it, for the price, its unbeatable.
I enjoy your videos and your production is top notch, but I think you missed or incorrectly stated a bunch of stuff about the MC-101. I hate to be the 'well actually" guy...BUT
1. note probability - Not only do you have note probability on drum kits, but you can set the clip play modes for all tracks including inverse and random
2. distortion - There are tons of distortion, saturation, and overdrive FX that you can put on each track. it’s Roland/Boss after all. They make guitar pedals. There's like 90 different FX to choose from on each track.
3. side chain - You can 'fake side chain' using the motion designer to apply waveform modulation to volume or filter
4. external input - You can actually route audio over USB into 101 enabling you to record external audio into a looper track or assign the scatter to USB input. If you have an additional audio interface with analog inputs, if you set the 101 as the audio output and the other interface as the audio input in a DAW, you route LIVE EXTERNAL INPUT through the 101. Run a microphone or external synth through the scatter for instance,
5. control knob modes - There’s an option to change the 101’s control knobs to macros for controlling 4 parameters of a single track instead of 1 parameter for all 4 tracks. set ‘knob trk’ to ‘single’ in the system settings.
6. batteries - The 101 will run off a USB power bank. It's actually the best way. I can get 20 hours of use from a small $17 power bank. Never use alkaline batteries.
7. master filter - There a button to toggle the master FX off/on right nest to master FX knobs. That’s what you use to engage the filter instead of a notch at 12 o’clock. It’s actually better as you can set the filter at a certain level and instantly jump to it in addition to sweeping the filter.
8. synth engines - One thing I think you missed in comparing the synth engines is that the Zen-Core has a wider range and a lot more acoustic and bread n’ butter sounds. You can do way more styles of music with Zen-Core vs Novation’s virtual analog synth engine.
Thanks for the comment. Tbh I was a bit worried that I displayed some unintended Circuit bias, which wasn't my goal at all since I adore the 101 and think it's an incredibly powerful, impressive device.
1. Yeah not sure how I missed that one. I even dug through the manual for my "tips and tricks" video and still managed to not come across it. That's my bad.
2. Yeah totally, I just wish I could control it within the unit itself for both samples and patches more.
3. Totally, although I imagine that only works for straightahead drum patterns (4 on the floor or similar).
4. I definitely should mess with that more.
6. Yeah, I didn't mention it but I figured that was known. I still like the batteries for ultimate portability though.
7. True, but I like the notch because it's more forgiving... Since it's continuous, you don't have to 100% nail the timing on the downbeat.
8. I mentioned all of that briefly, but probably could have gone more in depth. I also really like that the Zencore engine is meant to be the basis for a lot of Roland stuff, so you can get pretty accurate recreations of classic Roland synths in a budget hardware device. Plus the way it works with samples is something that the current Circuits can't touch.
now that all the shops are closed, im super grateful that you do these comparisons! thanks! do you know if the roland supports live recording midi data from a midi keyboard?
True....i wish they added more outputs on the circuit tracks.
wow wow wow wow wow. This video was tight!
11:34 ahhh I see what you did there :P
Owned the 101 but eventually sold it, too much menu-diving for my taste but amazing sounds though (especially with the Zen-core ability).
Got the Circuit Tracks a few days ago and love the way you immediately craft songs and arrangements...and Novations track-record with all the fantastic updates on the og Circuit should be a major ”PRO” for the Circuit comparison.
That was one of the reasons its my weapon of choice...right now that is. :)
I was wondering whether to get a Circuit or an MC 101.... wondering then wondering..I ended up buying a Behringer TD3
Hey Gabe!
Thanks so much for shairing the knowledge! I'm owning the mc 101 and Circuit OG focusing on live performances. I love the combination of the dirtyness of the og and clean sound of the mc 101.
But as you said live performance with the roland is not as smooth as with the circuit (especially tracks).
I wonder if you can control two tracks of the mc 101 via Midi tracks and use even side chain or put parameters of the roland to the microknobs of the circuit. Do you think that would work?
Dude I love your work! However, I would still love to see you do something with the Novation circuit and the zoom ar48... If you can't do both, at least do something on the zoom, ar48 please!!!
101 actually does have probability, but they gave non obvious name for this option. “Mute chance” or something similar.
Thank you very much ♥
The Circuit every time.
You always have good content.
I think a lot of new artists want audio over usb
I think most middle level to high level musicians want individual outs.
Once you spend a lot of money on a good audio interface with lots of inputs the last thing you want is the output of your instrument going through a cheap usb conversion.
Thanks!
I'd disagree a bit with the assessment of audio over USB... I like minimalist setups, and would happily take sending multitrack audio through USB over multiple outs into an audio interface any day. It's clean, quick to set up, and pretty much no one will be able to hear the difference. Plus, since I went from just working in the DAW to leaning heavily on grooveboxes, I don't even own an audio interface with more than four mono inputs, and I'm guessing that's a case for a lot of people in my situation. The Circuit Tracks is the first time I've really given into the spread out "table full of gear" setup, since it works so seamlessly.
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It's better to have it and not use it than not have it. Its easier to make audio over usb work that the physical change to the box of adding more inputs. So if I'm realistic it's more likely audio over usb will be the new trend.
And running things through a computer using midi i was always running into lag
For me the biggest game changer on the mc101 would be to allow four more “phantom” tracks that only worked on MIDI out. No extra strain on the audio device but would open it up for live performance even more
Before i finish the video, i just hope both novation and roland do not stop updating the firmwares for these devices anytime soon (more worried about roland since mc101 has been out longer)
@@djyucatec4999 has there been a new update recently? Im currently on the 1.60 firmware
No but song mode is coming very soon according to somebody who has constantly been correct about this kinda stuff in the Facebook 101/707 group
@@OttosTheName wow sounds veery interesting
Gabe Miller Music would ChordBot (Chord Module VIA Midi) give you a better vantage to review a pro/con between MC-101 and Circuit Tracks?
Love your final words on MC-101 - Spotify-Advanced; VS. Circuit - Beginner Dawless Summation
I have both and love them equally.
Roland MC101 for further music production and OG circuit for fun / beat making.
the MC-101 for timestretched Loops, Scatter Effects and 128 Scenes ;-)
Good job! Thank you! :)
Gabe on og circuit if you pick blank pattern and make chords on steps then turn volume down on synth track...you can play chords live and they sound...so kinda like chord mode😉 either turn volume down or hold bottom left step on it it holds that Patten so think you pick blank pattern but hold the Patten with left bottom step that holds you on that Patten view so you can play chords live?
What I would really like to see is a behringer groovebox with two analog voices (model d and deep mind?) A wave table synth, an Mc101 style drum track and some nice TC electronics effects. If you add a streamlined workflow you have a winner.
Deepmind is more than 2 voices alone. Its a 12 voice or 6 voice depending on the model.
@@thegoony Yeah, I meant two separate analog synths engines, a wavetable or fm and a sample based drum track.
so it basically took Novation an extra year or 2 to create TWO machines that still don't handle samples as well as the MC-101. Menu diving sucks and the Circuit absolutely has a special work flow... but dang, they really shot the Tracks and the Rhythm in the knee caps for no reason. MC-101 and a manual is gonna have to do it for me. Thank you for all your content!
It's definitely a bummer, and an odd limitation. I still love the Circuits, but I don't have enough technical knowledge to defend/not defend Novation. The MC-101 is a great device, it's way more powerful than people realize.
@@GabeMillerMusic much to my surprise, they are sold out just about everywhere right now... I blame your awesome channel :)
Great video Gabe, I have a question: when using external synths on the circuit is there any way to program a change of the preset of the external synth sio when you switch project the external synth sound changes?
Great video,
I've just ordered the circuit tracks!
Can the midi tracks be utilised in any way when using it as a stand alone device?
Thanks
Very nice
You can change the pitch of samples on Circuit Tracks. Latest Deep Dive video from CALC on Novation TV shows how.
That's definitely an improvement on the original Circuit, thanks for mentioning that. It's still not nearly as clean as it is on the MC-101 though, which can map a sample to a keyboard and treat it like a synth track.
Samples can be played chromatically on the circuit. Loopop demonstrates it in his review of the circuit tracks.
True, but it is a bit of a workaround, whereas the MC-101 has that built right in. My point with that section is that the MC-101 is more optimized for samples, although the Circuit can do quite a bit.
Going to buy circuit
Congrats first, as always great hands-on insights!!
I have one question on my mind: The OG Circuit sends out automation as midi CCs over usb midi, but not over midi out. Did you have a chance to try if the new models sends MIDI CCs over the midi port as well? Cheers & best wishes!
I haven't messed with it much yet, but yes, the Tracks sends MIDI CCs out over the midi port.
@@GabeMillerMusic thanks for confirmation. That was a bummer for me in OG. Good news!
I wouldn’t leave the Circuit Tracks plugged in all the time. I really doubt that they have the advanced battery conditioning that Apple does (for instance). You will shorten the battery life if it is charging all the time. Just plug it in during use or before going mobile.
If they do have advanced battery conditioning, that would be good to know.
That's definitely something I'll look into. I'm also looking into whether it can eventually be replaced, even though the manual says it can't.
That's really a shame.
Devices like this stay useful for much longer than the latest cellphone etc, so a battery that's not easily replaceable is a bit of a non-starter for a lot of people (myself included).
Great review!!
@@GabeMillerMusic Awesome! Please let us know what you find out.
Rechargeable batteries - Am I a joke to you?
The built in battery is a big con to me. If you use it regularly it will last maybe three years. If you for some reason forgets it uncharged it can be dead in a year.
I wish the MC-101 had the randomized type of sound option for drum tracks* like the tone track has. Them adding that in general has made the mc101 a keeper for me
I have a video coming on randomized sounds, it's one of the coolest features. They do have tone tracks for drum sounds, but that's fairly hit or miss (and not quite what you're saying).
@@GabeMillerMusic yea its definitely hit or miss on the sounds it creates, but the randomized tone sounds tend to be good starting points for a bit of sound design on the box (if you stick to poly,pad, or analog)
Cool can you do a novation mk3 with mv-1 verselab. Maybe a great mix of equipment. Because you can get so much classic roland sounds in the verselab with cloud downloads and controle with 8/16 patches mk3 as well.
Hi! Cant you control MFX vith Velocity of the note or LFO? In that case it could be som kinda S-chain. Best Wishes
Would love to see a mc-707 review
20:22 +: the Tracks can really process the external audio in? Like, they go through the ADSR, Delay etc? That's what annoys me with my TR8S, your can sidechain external audio, but no delay, reverb etc
Which is best as a stand alone music making machine?
It's a decent time now to buy a used MC since they've been out for a while. The extra tracks alone of the 707 doesn't in itself make it the one to get, or the sampling, but the deeper synth engine might be. I'm good with not being able to edit too deep depending the circumstance, but circuit actually lets you get in there with an editor. 101 doesn't. But the 707 is going to cost twice the price of the 101 and the 101 is going to be a ton of fun anyway. Anyway, how is it not being able to edit sounds much? And do you use an eitor on Circuit (components or otherwise)? Nice new circuit demos. Hopefully you have the unit outright already so you can continue making videos on it.
Roland did release a plugin for their Zencore synth engine that gives you similar control to Novation's components, although you have to pay for it. I don't do a ton of patch editing outside of either device, but I do load samples on frequently. It's super easy on the MC-101. And yeah I own the Tracks outright, lots more videos with it on the way.
even if i sold the OG circuit (the 707 as well, hated the roland work"flow") and i have the deluge, i bought the tracks now again, just for fun and jamming.
I sold my «Deluge» for a MC-101 and a Circuit ;-)
Nice video, what's next on the list of your things to try? Polyend Tracker?
Thanks! The Roland MV-1 is next, after that it's a toss up between the MPC One and the Tracker.
@@GabeMillerMusic Look forward to it!
If you had to pick between these two and the opz1 for like indie songwriting like Bon Iver - which would you pick ?