I love the fact that Santa Cruz has avoided the e-enduro race scene and promotes their e-Mtb's like their trail and all mountain bikes as bikes built for having fun. And Hannah crushed this video.
Not sad at all, just acknowledgment of that there is a time and place for the 4-bar. Specialized knew it and protected it to the death of the patent. VPP is rad for analog, as is a Horst link 4-bar. Strap a power adder on and chasing the dragon for optimal up/down suspension becomes more muted. MX gave up the wild engineering variants back in the 70's-80's.
Ok, that is a weird comment 😄. why exactly does VPP look more expensive? There are always reasons to be skeptical of large brands like SC, but you have to aknowledge the move away from their heritage-system for something that works better for the given circumstances?
Wow...I did a quick scan of the comments and a lot of negativity in this room. I'm not an ebike owner and won't be anytime soon (but do own a V4 Bronson) but thought the video was well done and appreciate both the walkthrough (thought she did a great job) and SCs willingness to step outside thier own box with a different linkage. The reviewers out in the youtubeverse will give this thing a go and we'll all learn more about how it rides I'm sure.
they tell you vpp is the shit for over 20 years and now they switch it just to get a bosch power unit to work... a few months before the marketing woman told us why they use vpp for over 20 years and they wont change it because its the best. they are "trying so many new things but the vpp is the best" and thats why they use it. i dont know, i dont like the way it goes
Love the bike, but will you be implementing the new Dji system in some of your bikes soon? Looking to purchase an e-bike but the new dji system seems to beat all the others in weight, power and size…
All these people complaining about the 4bar. If Santa Cruz could have used VPP they would have, instead they decided to go with one of the best and most reliable motors to date because quality and Santa Cruz mean the same thing. Guaranteed they will have made the 4bar suspension ride as close to VPP as they can. I agree I much prefer the aesthetic of how the VPP bikes look but I think this bike still screams Santa Cruz
Sorry but vpp was santa cruz. Its one of reasons why people wants try SC. Now you can buy Orbea, Trek, Cube and more other brands with 4bar link looks almoust the same.
My first Santa Cruz had a single pivot suspension design, which was awesome. I rode that bike for 13 years. Then I rode a VPP Tallboy for years. Now I have both a VPP Santa Cruz Hightower and.a Single Pivot Blur. And now they have released an e-mtb with a four bar design. They've all be awesome bikes.
so are there plans to adapt the new 4 bar to the Nomad/bullit and your other bikes? I'm waiting on a 2025 Nomad frame I ordered that arrive at the end of the month... should I have waited another year?? I'm sure I'll love the 2025, I'm currently on a mulleted 2016 Nomad and it still rides like a dream. PS, How about an V10/ E10 with a dropper post?? I don't care if it's close to 60pds like an old DH bike lol
Nope, VPP will remain on pedal bikes like the Nomad, just like Superlight is used on theBlur XC bike. Different platforms for different uses. Check out our Suspension page for more info: www.santacruzbicycles.com/en-US/tech/suspension
@@santacruzbicycles2841 Right on, I am sure I will be more than impressed with my new frame when it gets here. I still can't believe how well my 2016 rides, I just climbed to the tippy top of Cumberland BC trails yesterday, 575m/1850ft in 1 hr 20 mins 😁 and then some crazy DH tech on the way down. I look forward to comparing the new frame on the same loop
@@Schnabulation Completely different design goals. The full power motor format has limited space to get VPP pivots exactly where we need them for best suspension kinematics and ride quality. The new design allows us to get the pivots placed right where we want them on the Vala. The smaller, more compact Fazua motor tucks away into the downtube and allows us to put the VPP linkage right where we want it on the Heckler SL. Two excellent designs that complement each other,
@@santacruzbicycles2841 yep- I was waiting for this bike... the original Heckler with its' motor first generation of emtb for ya...... the the SL and it is a bit too light for me... was gonna get the SL but change out the suspension for the fox 38s... now the Vala and it is almost a eNomad... and I have the Nomad 6, love it... this could be the complement to that bike... burly enough to hit the stuff in the back 40 that I, at 57, do not have legs for to get to... full power for me is access to the forest. When you young kids get to a point in your life when legs and joints start breaking down... then... in that context, the Vala makes sense for deep forest, long climbs in the far trails of trailforks that are seldom ridden. Was about to buy the SL... now I am gonna get this.
Its all good, I will continue to ride my MegatowerV2 until the wheels fall off and on the “gravity days off” I will continue to reach for the ‘24 Orbea Wild Mteam that i scored for 7k. Wooooo 👍👍🇺🇸
If it were Subaru, the impact would be about the same as giving up 4-wheel drive.I hope that big decision is not just for the sake of motors and profit margins.
thank god I bought the heckler SL. its so much more beautiful. I don't like the aesthetics of the four bar link. it doesn't look like a Santa Cruz anymore. it looks like any other bike on the market.
Nope, VPP is still awesome. Check out the Suspension page for an explainer of how different platforms suit different uses. www.santacruzbicycles.com/en-US/tech/suspension
Santa Cruz I live in a country called South Africa listen I would to ride one of your bikes though getting enough money for a Santa Cruz v10 is way too much I am young with big dreams and was wondering if you could help me out please consider and respond thank you.
Yes we can help we'll immediately ship you a top spec v10 as well as the new ebike along with a suitcase full of money hand delivered by Jackson Golstone 😂
Chineese open mould frame with Santa Cruz stickers? Are we watching the fall of Santa cruz? Not being innovative, not being differentiating and having your own engineers criticizing your own VVP design in public? Maybe this one should have had the PON sticker on it instead!
You know what open-mould means, right? If so, what led you to believe this is open-mould. Made in the same factory (our factory) that all our other bikes are. It might look alike other things but when you have the same team that agonize over the engineering, design, prototyping, testing, and assembly that have made all the other Santa Cruz bikes then you should have more faith.
@@santacruzbicycles2841 absolutely aware what open mould means. What I rode was marked with a “?”. That means it was question. But as you mention it looks like many other frames out there, so the question was very legit. If you want to continue the very impressive past of Santa Cruz you need to keep innovation and distinguish you from the competition. Who wants to pay more for similar products?
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I love the fact that Santa Cruz has avoided the e-enduro race scene and promotes their e-Mtb's like their trail and all mountain bikes as bikes built for having fun. And Hannah crushed this video.
Thank you.
Pushing $10K for a C frame is a huge turnoff. Ditch the two tiered carbon nonsense already.
Sad day, to see Santa Cruz with 4-bar link! 😢
Not sad at all, just acknowledgment of that there is a time and place for the 4-bar. Specialized knew it and protected it to the death of the patent. VPP is rad for analog, as is a Horst link 4-bar. Strap a power adder on and chasing the dragon for optimal up/down suspension becomes more muted. MX gave up the wild engineering variants back in the 70's-80's.
It is not a sad day for me, i prefer the four bar. The VPP kept me from buying a Santa Cruz in the past, I don't like pedal kick on the DH.
I thought the same until I tried one, then purchased one. It’s simply better while still feeling like a SC.
Wowww Nice bike!🎉 But this makes TREK and GIANT come to mind. 😮
Trek yes but nothing like a real Giant with the maestro suspension system
@@adampalma3765 no difference…
Good job! Almost all the design features that I was hoping for! I have one on order already.
No VPP and still 6k+ price? It looks like a Norco
Ok, that is a weird comment 😄. why exactly does VPP look more expensive? There are always reasons to be skeptical of large brands like SC, but you have to aknowledge the move away from their heritage-system for something that works better for the given circumstances?
The Santa CUBE, nice!
Nice bike, but I am waiting for the Bullit with the Bosch motor
No point buying anything with
I have a Hekler so I don't need one. But I do really want one.
So despite a 25% smaller battery it is *2kg* heavier (top spec build) than the Amflow. Keen to see how much more expensive it will be as well.
What is am flow ? Your morning period ?
The Amflow is specced very differently, with lighter duty components overall. This one is specced for no-limits mountain bike riding.
The purion 400 can be installed on the vala?
Not sure what to make of it. The Hightower just became almost identical to my Stumpjumper Evo, now SC has a 4 bar too.
What’s with the big shiny Link in the commercial bike?
Looks just like a Fuel Exe.
should I sell my 2O22 Bullit already?
Don’t you dare 😂❤
Buy 2024 Bullit 😂
False.. just buy another bike.
The correct number of bikes is always (n+1)😂
n being the current number of bikes
0:46 Those *BOSCH* PerformanceLine CX motors are the best
Wow...I did a quick scan of the comments and a lot of negativity in this room. I'm not an ebike owner and won't be anytime soon (but do own a V4 Bronson) but thought the video was well done and appreciate both the walkthrough (thought she did a great job) and SCs willingness to step outside thier own box with a different linkage. The reviewers out in the youtubeverse will give this thing a go and we'll all learn more about how it rides I'm sure.
Yup, check out channels like Rob Rides EMTB and EMBN. They've both actually ridden the Vala on trails and have videos up right now.
they tell you vpp is the shit for over 20 years and now they switch it just to get a bosch power unit to work... a few months before the marketing woman told us why they use vpp for over 20 years and they wont change it because its the best. they are "trying so many new things but the vpp is the best" and thats why they use it. i dont know, i dont like the way it goes
So is the heckler discontinued
I like 4-bar, but also like removable batteries….. sorry, no Vala
Love the bike, but will you be implementing the new Dji system in some of your bikes soon? Looking to purchase an e-bike but the new dji system seems to beat all the others in weight, power and size…
So Specialized had the superior suspension platform all along. I Wonder when Yeti will go to Horst link.
What a disgrace! The best part is how the people in the video adore the old Horst Leitner rear end. Imao! 😅
All these people complaining about the 4bar. If Santa Cruz could have used VPP they would have, instead they decided to go with one of the best and most reliable motors to date because quality and Santa Cruz mean the same thing. Guaranteed they will have made the 4bar suspension ride as close to VPP as they can. I agree I much prefer the aesthetic of how the VPP bikes look but I think this bike still screams Santa Cruz
Quality Chinese frame😂
Naa
Sorry but vpp was santa cruz. Its one of reasons why people wants try SC. Now you can buy Orbea, Trek, Cube and more other brands with 4bar link looks almoust the same.
A reminder that we've have and had other suspension platforms in our line-up.
My first Santa Cruz had a single pivot suspension design, which was awesome. I rode that bike for 13 years. Then I rode a VPP Tallboy for years. Now I have both a VPP Santa Cruz Hightower and.a Single Pivot Blur. And now they have released an e-mtb with a four bar design. They've all be awesome bikes.
The geometry chart shows the small has a higher standover height than the XL.That's unusual...
so are there plans to adapt the new 4 bar to the Nomad/bullit and your other bikes? I'm waiting on a 2025 Nomad frame I ordered that arrive at the end of the month... should I have waited another year?? I'm sure I'll love the 2025, I'm currently on a mulleted 2016 Nomad and it still rides like a dream. PS, How about an V10/ E10 with a dropper post?? I don't care if it's close to 60pds like an old DH bike lol
Nope, VPP will remain on pedal bikes like the Nomad, just like Superlight is used on theBlur XC bike. Different platforms for different uses. Check out our Suspension page for more info: www.santacruzbicycles.com/en-US/tech/suspension
@@santacruzbicycles2841 Right on, I am sure I will be more than impressed with my new frame when it gets here. I still can't believe how well my 2016 rides, I just climbed to the tippy top of Cumberland BC trails yesterday, 575m/1850ft in 1 hr 20 mins 😁 and then some crazy DH tech on the way down. I look forward to comparing the new frame on the same loop
Much want!
Dirt bike get!
Yeah I’ll stick with my Heckler SL lol this looks like every other bike brand with a Santa Cruz logo slapped on it
Yeah, wtf were they thinking? Heckler SL all day ❤
@@Schnabulation Completely different design goals. The full power motor format has limited space to get VPP pivots exactly where we need them for best suspension kinematics and ride quality. The new design allows us to get the pivots placed right where we want them on the Vala.
The smaller, more compact Fazua motor tucks away into the downtube and allows us to put the VPP linkage right where we want it on the Heckler SL.
Two excellent designs that complement each other,
@@santacruzbicycles2841 yep- I was waiting for this bike... the original Heckler with its' motor first generation of emtb for ya...... the the SL and it is a bit too light for me... was gonna get the SL but change out the suspension for the fox 38s... now the Vala and it is almost a eNomad... and I have the Nomad 6, love it... this could be the complement to that bike... burly enough to hit the stuff in the back 40 that I, at 57, do not have legs for to get to... full power for me is access to the forest. When you young kids get to a point in your life when legs and joints start breaking down... then... in that context, the Vala makes sense for deep forest, long climbs in the far trails of trailforks that are seldom ridden. Was about to buy the SL... now I am gonna get this.
@@santacruzbicycles2841 so is the Vala going to replace the standard Heckler in the long run then?
Will it take a coil shock?
Yup.
did she really said an acoustic bike ?
Its a weird time lol.
Let‘s just call it by it‘s name: mountain bike
yuppy sheet
Stanger Things Intro Vibes
:)
Welcome GEN5
But where is vpp????
I'm sad
Who is this for? Is this what we've been asking for?
Nice Giant! 😂
nice, smaller lighter battery, that's good, but you forgot to make it interchangeable, what a bummer !!!!!!! :/
So a “Sup’d” up Heckler with a Bosch CX Motor? Still waiting for that Megatower ebike…..
You mean a Bullit?
Nah this is a 4 bar
@@Turd_farmerno, the bullit isnt a mullet
@@TheLoamMountaineer yes it is
Its all good, I will continue to ride my MegatowerV2 until the wheels fall off and on the “gravity days off” I will continue to reach for the ‘24 Orbea Wild Mteam that i scored for 7k. Wooooo 👍👍🇺🇸
No VPP, no SC... I thought you were special.....😢
Exactly
If it were Subaru, the impact would be about the same as giving up 4-wheel drive.I hope that big decision is not just for the sake of motors and profit margins.
Built to last.....except the paint. You should see my 2020 Hightower withbits peeling clear coat that started 1.5 after purchase😂
thank god I bought the heckler SL. its so much more beautiful. I don't like the aesthetics of the four bar link. it doesn't look like a Santa Cruz anymore. it looks like any other bike on the market.
Meh... DJI bike is still better.
There's more to a vehicle than the motor...especially off road.
Sad to see a generic bike 😢😢😢😢
The motor mountain bikes are getting uglier by the day and like it.
let me guess 15 $$G's ?????
In other words, the VPP was just a nice marketing gimmick all along....
Nope, VPP is still awesome. Check out the Suspension page for an explainer of how different platforms suit different uses. www.santacruzbicycles.com/en-US/tech/suspension
Dear Santa Cruz. Please stop making bikes I really like. My accountant gets very cross with me
Nahaa ebikes looks good, not the motor. dji motor should be there on that bike, not a bosch.
We spec things that are available and have a trusted network of support. The Bosch ticked all the boxes right now.
looks like a trek 🤣🤣
Kona lol 😂
Was gonna buy it until they said it comes only in mullet
Is an ebike, so mullet is the best, mullets works great on ebikes.
Yo😅😅😅🎉
Santa Cruz I live in a country called South Africa listen I would to ride one of your bikes though getting enough money for a Santa Cruz v10 is way too much I am young with big dreams and was wondering if you could help me out please consider and respond thank you.
Real Fact. They don't care. SC and other Brands have their own Problems.
Yes we can help we'll immediately ship you a top spec v10 as well as the new ebike along with a suitcase full of money hand delivered by Jackson Golstone 😂
Gas?
Ate
No garren in the video!?
Not this time. He was filming I'm A Celebrity, Get Me Out Of Here.
@@santacruzbicycles2841 Kinda weird not watchin "old pal" Garen - but great Job Hannah!!
@@santacruzbicycles2841 not surprised his a rockstar
If you're missing Garen, check out this video where he moonlights for Mike's Bikes ruclips.net/video/tYAWrtlWWiQ/видео.html
Say it…..HORST LINK! HORST LINK!!
It's sooooo sad - It's like any other bike . Santa shame on you 😞
Chineese open mould frame with Santa Cruz stickers?
Are we watching the fall of Santa cruz?
Not being innovative, not being differentiating and having your own engineers criticizing your own VVP design in public?
Maybe this one should have had the PON sticker on it instead!
They literally stated why they went 4 bar in the video…
Alarmist opinion. Let the market decide what it wants.
How do you know that’s a Chinese open mold frame?
You know what open-mould means, right? If so, what led you to believe this is open-mould. Made in the same factory (our factory) that all our other bikes are. It might look alike other things but when you have the same team that agonize over the engineering, design, prototyping, testing, and assembly that have made all the other Santa Cruz bikes then you should have more faith.
@@santacruzbicycles2841 absolutely aware what open mould means. What I rode was marked with a “?”. That means it was question. But as you mention it looks like many other frames out there, so the question was very legit.
If you want to continue the very impressive past of Santa Cruz you need to keep innovation and distinguish you from the competition. Who wants to pay more for similar products?
LF Sub 30 Pound eMTB, PST. LOL
I'm sad
Go for a ride. It'll make you feel better.
doesnt Vala mean Bullet? haha
It looks like a... shut up- just ride ist first! It rides great! Better than a Heckler with a VPP. It's a Race Machine.
While we won't be racing it (bye bye E-EDR) we totally agree with you that this things hauls. Thanks for commenting.
garbage