Not for the next thousand years - Rome would prosper. And yes they did bring civilization to the rest of the world: The idea of city living, the concept of writing, literature, art, roads, aqueducts etc. Rome along with Greece and Mesopotamia they founded the civilization we live to day. You should be thankful. Plus you can't hate Rome for conquering people, without hatting almost every other civilization in history. Even the barbarian tribes the Romans fought exploited and conquered others.
Well the barbarian tribes the Romans fought ain't exactly winning me over, with their constant raiding, pillaging, and plundering of towns and cities either. And Rome did keep its promise of bringing peace and spreading civilization (Even though it was not their main intention for conquest.) to some extent. The Pax Romana lasted for over 207 years and their legacy endured its downfall. We live the life we live today in part of what Rome achieved.
I know, and I thank you for being respectful. An empire does not get made by asking people to give up their lands nicely though. Rome did manage to conquer Britian, just not the northern half. In the next couple of centuries during the Dark Ages, cultures in Europe like these Picts would eventually adopt the style of living, culture, and teachings the Romans brought with them. Ironic isn't it......
i like the way that they made the picts look. Instead of how most people think that they look just like natives ya know? For example, the Eagle. I prefer the picts looking like this way more
All soldiers throughout history are not all necessarily heroes, but we still honor them for their service and sacrifice. Their main reason for conquest may not have been for civilization, but that was still their core belief. Wealth was the main reason, but spreading their culture and civilization is easily their 2nd motivation. They still fought and died for their country and beliefs, that in itself is pretty heroic.
@astralwalk I dont doubt that. I'm not saying the Celts have no culture, but people seem to forget that the Romans called them "barbarians" for a reason. In my opinion Rome is the lesser of two evils.
@awaker200 I think it's just a popular myth, historians are pretty sure they were just redeployed to the Germanic front. Why is that lost to so many people? Myth, "legend", and it was a pretty fuck long time ago.
Of course a multitude of factors play into any situation. Conquest is largely driven by a desire for wealth and power. During the roman era, that's underscored by owning slaves. Vanquished enemies were castrated outside of core Rome civilization before entry. Plus local slaves were supposedly granted freedom by ways of lottery and such, which would have fueled the need for more slaves to support the newer free population correct?
Romans lost 3 legions in Teutoburg Forest, some 30,000 men plus auxiliaries. According to the biographer Suetonius, upon hearing the news, Augustus tore his clothes, refused to cut his hair for months and, for years afterwards, was heard, upon occasion, to moan, "Quinctilius Varus, give me back my Legions!" ("Quintili Vare, legiones redde!").
@rayne7echo - As for crucifixions, its their equivalent to a death penelty. Its no more grusome then being burned on the stake in the medieval era, hanging, garrote, or even electrocution in the mordern times.
People forget that most of what we know of the Celts and the Picts come from the Romans. Romans tended to stretch the truth a little to paint themselves in more favorable light; coupled with the fact that Romans tended to label anything not a Roman or a Greek a barbarian it's lucky we have any reasonable image of these peoples at all.
@keithehlert the pillum was a weapon used only to thrust the enemy flanks as they were charging onto the steady roman phalanx a lot like the spartan phalanx used em to fight... its widely known that romans copied many battle techniques from greece... the pillum had only one model and it was used to thrust , it was not a javelin
This movie is historically based off of a real legion that "disappeared" and no one knows what happened to them. If you like Centurion then I would recommend Musa. Like centurion, it is historically based off of a Korean diplomatic envoy that "disappeared" when making its way to China. It's the same thing but with Asian people.
Well, I guess I'm just trying to suggest that when the fall of the Roman Empire is brought up, the last thing that is mentioned is the slavery aspect. I think it's one of the largest reasons.
While there are some historical flaws with this scene this indeed was the proper way to defeat a Roman Legion at the peak of the Empire. Ambush them while they're on the march through uneven terrain and thick forest. Attacking the Romans head-on in an open field pitched battle was pretty much suicide.
@rayne7echo Think of it this way.. after watching the movie Apocalypto would you still side with the Aztecs when the Spaniards invade? Even after seeing senseless, bloody sacrifices made by the Aztecs? The beheadings of innocent people whose hearts were torn from their chests and the temple priests spreading the blood over the ground. Would you care for them at all when the Spaniards march in and slaugter them all? Would you care or feel as much as you would if you hadn't watched the movie?
Ever wonder how the empire fell? I find it rather curious that the capture of slaves partially fueled expansion, slaves died in lead mines, were castrated, ect... yet, when the empire ceases to expand, it starts to collapse. Have to wonder if they were thinking ahead and renewing those slaves, maybe?
The fact that we are living in cities made of steel, wood, and concrete and not in mud huts living a nomadic life style, confirms that Rome did not lie that its mission was to spread civilization. We are living the life style they introduced across their empire. The barbarian cultures and practices are dead, while Rome's endures. Despite its downfall, Rome is victorious in the long run.
These Roman Soldiers Flaws about them These bad ass foreign war prepared group of highly trained professional killers won't 1) Throw their spears, spearing many incoming enemies, quickly killing them 2) Maintain defensive solid line formation 3) Reform defensive solid line formation 4) Spear their enemies 5) Put away their spears to draw their swords as their enemies as individuals are to close to their swords for them to put their spears away so they can quickly draw their swords to sword their enemies, quickly killing their enemies 6) Hit their enemies with the center of their shields 7) Draw their swords as individuals as their enemies who are prepared to use swords are close to them 8) Shield themselves from their enemies 9) Sword quickly from behind their shields against their enemies, quickly killing them 10) From behind their shielding, kill their enemies 11) Kill their enemies from behind shielding 12) Maintain their shields 13) From behind their cover, kill their enemies 14) Kill their enemies from behind cover 15) Maintain their cover 16) Fight together 17) Kill their enemies
Yeah much of their culture is from the Greeks, much in the same way Medieval culture was based off the Romans and so forth. Rome was the only one assimilating cultures. Technically they did bring peace to the world - the Pax Romana. 200 years of peace. They did spread civilization in a sense, building roads and cities. Destroying cultures is an unfortunate consequence - either done intentionally or unintentionally, as simply living among Romans would have you assimilate to their ways over time.
that only makes sense if you think that our society is perfect, the greatest legacy of rome is hippocrasy. you might as well say that the australian colonists were right to try to destroy the aboriginal way of life. and do you remember what the supposedly civilised romans did to boudica? the celts had damn good reasons to resist and as a result they have left a lasting legacy of the heroic example of how one can overcome multitudes
This clip seriously made me nearly cry... I mean they just wanted to bring peace and civilize other pepole. They also brought up the word of christ to keep pepole good to each other, without hate. Rest in peace brave soldiers of Rome, you were truly the light in these dark times.
When you put it like that yeah they do sound like heros. Some would say Romans were assholes but then I blame that on the leaders. They really did help bring the world civilization didn't they? I felt sad seeing them die like this though considering they were the best of Roman. It makes me wonder if the fight would have gone this badly if Maximus was leading the army.
@Bobobidodo If you are from England then you ancestors would be doing that not in England that didnt even exist and was Roman but in some part of Holland Germany or Denmark xD
For better or for worse, Rome is the reason why we have the society and way of life we have today. Western civilization was made possible bec. of them along with the Greeks and Mesopotamia. The atrocities Rome committed was only the price that had to be paid for progress and civilization. In the end the benefits far outweighed the cost.
Interesting idea. But the fall of Rome is a result of a multitude of factors - financial difficulty, poor leadership, weakening of core values, decreased quality of its armed forces etc. Lack of slaves could have been an attributing factor.
Here, are two links to the concept of slavery being a major significant factor for the fall of the Roman empire. historum . com / ancient-history / 36751-what-killed-ancient-world-10.html#post901238 historum . com / ancient-history / 36751-what-killed-ancient-world-5.html I'm just suggesting that as it stands currently most people believe slavery in Rome was an insignificant aspect of it's economy, I'm just suggesting it was the root of it.
@CrimsonGuard1992 Your version of history is a bit skewed with a touch of propaganda. Rome wasn’t trying to bring civilization to anyone, Rome needed resources and slaves; and her leaders were more about might makes right. The tribes the Romans conquered had their own cultures and rituals which formed their societies. Many Celtic tribes had advance metal working skills, not bad for a people without a written language. I give credit to the legionaries’ courage, but in the end it was about money.
Well I admit I have not seen the full film you should think about the fact that these people who slaughtered the Romans were just trying to defend their home from an empire they did not want to be part of. So forgive me if this sounds like something out of Bravhear but they fought for freedom and won
They did a bit right in this movie and a bit wrong. Wrong: -Gladius's cant cleave through human parts. There built for stabby stabby not hacky slashy Right: -When the picts broke the shield wall open, the romans were slaughtered.
You're right, but to call all the Roman soldiers hero's is a bit strange in my opinion. I don't think the Romans fought to bring civilization, I think they fought to gain power.
Well the fact that the Romans burned Carthage, crucified people, enslaved millions doesn't make them saints in my book and they wrote that stuff down, but like you said there are no true good guys in war.
Not for the next thousand years - Rome would prosper. And yes they did bring civilization to the rest of the world: The idea of city living, the concept of writing, literature, art, roads, aqueducts etc. Rome along with Greece and Mesopotamia they founded the civilization we live to day. You should be thankful. Plus you can't hate Rome for conquering people, without hatting almost every other civilization in history. Even the barbarian tribes the Romans fought exploited and conquered others.
Well the barbarian tribes the Romans fought ain't exactly winning me over, with their constant raiding, pillaging, and plundering of towns and cities either. And Rome did keep its promise of bringing peace and spreading civilization (Even though it was not their main intention for conquest.) to some extent. The Pax Romana lasted for over 207 years and their legacy endured its downfall. We live the life we live today in part of what Rome achieved.
I know, and I thank you for being respectful. An empire does not get made by asking people to give up their lands nicely though. Rome did manage to conquer Britian, just not the northern half. In the next couple of centuries during the Dark Ages, cultures in Europe like these Picts would eventually adopt the style of living, culture, and teachings the Romans brought with them. Ironic isn't it......
i like the way that they made the picts look. Instead of how most people think that they look just like natives ya know? For example, the Eagle.
I prefer the picts looking like this way more
Goodness gracious, great balls of FIRE!
All soldiers throughout history are not all necessarily heroes, but we still honor them for their service and sacrifice. Their main reason for conquest may not have been for civilization, but that was still their core belief. Wealth was the main reason, but spreading their culture and civilization is easily their 2nd motivation. They still fought and died for their country and beliefs, that in itself is pretty heroic.
@astralwalk I dont doubt that. I'm not saying the Celts have no culture, but people seem to forget that the Romans called them "barbarians" for a reason. In my opinion Rome is the lesser of two evils.
@awaker200 I think it's just a popular myth, historians are pretty sure they were just redeployed to the Germanic front. Why is that lost to so many people? Myth, "legend", and it was a pretty fuck long time ago.
Of course a multitude of factors play into any situation. Conquest is largely driven by a desire for wealth and power. During the roman era, that's underscored by owning slaves. Vanquished enemies were castrated outside of core Rome civilization before entry. Plus local slaves were supposedly granted freedom by ways of lottery and such, which would have fueled the need for more slaves to support the newer free population correct?
would have thought you'd step aside from the flaming boulders. just close ranks after they'd passed
Romans lost 3 legions in Teutoburg Forest, some 30,000 men plus auxiliaries. According to the biographer Suetonius, upon hearing the news, Augustus tore his clothes, refused to cut his hair for months and, for years afterwards, was heard, upon occasion, to moan, "Quinctilius Varus, give me back my Legions!" ("Quintili Vare, legiones redde!").
I love Gory battle scenes. Can anyone else tell me what movies or tv series have gory battle scenes (besides 300 and Spartacus)
@rayne7echo - As for crucifixions, its their equivalent to a death penelty. Its no more grusome then being burned on the stake in the medieval era, hanging, garrote, or even electrocution in the mordern times.
Amen
People forget that most of what we know of the Celts and the Picts come from the Romans. Romans tended to stretch the truth a little to paint themselves in more favorable light; coupled with the fact that Romans tended to label anything not a Roman or a Greek a barbarian it's lucky we have any reasonable image of these peoples at all.
The movie is great.
that centurion has the best voice ever
@keithehlert the pillum was a weapon used only to thrust the enemy flanks as they were charging onto the steady roman phalanx a lot like the spartan phalanx used em to fight... its widely known that romans copied many battle techniques from greece... the pillum had only one model and it was used to thrust , it was not a javelin
This movie is historically based off of a real legion that "disappeared" and no one knows what happened to them. If you like Centurion then I would recommend Musa. Like centurion, it is historically based off of a Korean diplomatic envoy that "disappeared" when making its way to China. It's the same thing but with Asian people.
Those are some sharp blades...
Well, I guess I'm just trying to suggest that when the fall of the Roman Empire is brought up, the last thing that is mentioned is the slavery aspect. I think it's one of the largest reasons.
While there are some historical flaws with this scene this indeed was the proper way to defeat a Roman Legion at the peak of the Empire. Ambush them while they're on the march through uneven terrain and thick forest. Attacking the Romans head-on in an open field pitched battle was pretty much suicide.
1:24 nice face chop
@rayne7echo Think of it this way.. after watching the movie Apocalypto would you still side with the Aztecs when the Spaniards invade? Even after seeing senseless, bloody sacrifices made by the Aztecs? The beheadings of innocent people whose hearts were torn from their chests and the temple priests spreading the blood over the ground. Would you care for them at all when the Spaniards march in and slaugter them all? Would you care or feel as much as you would if you hadn't watched the movie?
Ever wonder how the empire fell? I find it rather curious that the capture of slaves partially fueled expansion, slaves died in lead mines, were castrated, ect... yet, when the empire ceases to expand, it starts to collapse. Have to wonder if they were thinking ahead and renewing those slaves, maybe?
People actually think it was an insignificant part of the economy? That is preposterous. Empires are built on the backs of slaves - unfortunately.
The fact that we are living in cities made of steel, wood, and concrete and not in mud huts living a nomadic life style, confirms that Rome did not lie that its mission was to spread civilization. We are living the life style they introduced across their empire. The barbarian cultures and practices are dead, while Rome's endures. Despite its downfall, Rome is victorious in the long run.
You made a comment bashing America. srry if you aren't German or Russian. *good grief*
These Roman Soldiers
Flaws about them
These bad ass foreign war prepared group of highly trained professional killers won't
1) Throw their spears, spearing many incoming enemies, quickly killing them
2) Maintain defensive solid line formation
3) Reform defensive solid line formation
4) Spear their enemies
5) Put away their spears to draw their swords as their enemies as individuals are to close to their swords for them to put their spears away so they can quickly draw their swords to sword their enemies, quickly killing their enemies
6) Hit their enemies with the center of their shields
7) Draw their swords as individuals as their enemies who are prepared to use swords are close to them
8) Shield themselves from their enemies
9) Sword quickly from behind their shields against their enemies, quickly killing them
10) From behind their shielding, kill their enemies
11) Kill their enemies from behind shielding
12) Maintain their shields
13) From behind their cover, kill their enemies
14) Kill their enemies from behind cover
15) Maintain their cover
16) Fight together
17) Kill their enemies
Sorry. Meant to say: *Rome was not the only civilization assimilating other cultures.*
the ninth has fallen i play rome total war the best pc game ever
If gladiator slave fights are civilized to you, then you're right
@Anthrophobia2 the disappearence of the ninth legion is a myth as multiple historicians have proved. still makes for a badass movie tough
Madnes? THIS IS ROMAN VALOR!!!
Yeah, the sword slicing a man's skull in two is a bit over the top.
@keithehlert u mean javelin volleys the actual pillum was too heavy to throw
Yeah much of their culture is from the Greeks, much in the same way Medieval culture was based off the Romans and so forth. Rome was the only one assimilating cultures. Technically they did bring peace to the world - the Pax Romana. 200 years of peace. They did spread civilization in a sense, building roads and cities. Destroying cultures is an unfortunate consequence - either done intentionally or unintentionally, as simply living among Romans would have you assimilate to their ways over time.
Mamma mia sto film quanto è sanguinoso è molto più bello il Gladiatore di Ridley Scott da bambino lo guardavo sempre
dude...the romans were brutal.
that only makes sense if you think that our society is perfect, the greatest legacy of rome is hippocrasy. you might as well say that the australian colonists were right to try to destroy the aboriginal way of life. and do you remember what the supposedly civilised romans did to boudica? the celts had damn good reasons to resist and as a result they have left a lasting legacy of the heroic example of how one can overcome multitudes
@xCeltx
If we are splitting hairs then actually they are called Insular celts, so "go Insular Celts" Looool
1:57 ahh shit, Septus got axed.
This clip seriously made me nearly cry... I mean they just wanted to bring peace and civilize other pepole. They also brought up the word of christ to keep pepole good to each other, without hate. Rest in peace brave soldiers of Rome, you were truly the light in these dark times.
That makes sense.
the sad thing is that in their book the Romans were righteous
I think the term is "Picts".
When you put it like that yeah they do sound like heros. Some would say Romans were assholes but then I blame that on the leaders. They really did help bring the world civilization didn't they? I felt sad seeing them die like this though considering they were the best of Roman. It makes me wonder if the fight would have gone this badly if Maximus was leading the army.
Poor Romans. Never did anything to anyone (sarcasm alert!) :-)
@Bobobidodo If you are from England then you ancestors would be doing that not in England that didnt even exist and was Roman but in some part of Holland Germany or Denmark xD
1:25 there goes half of his head.
this reminds me of spartacus
@britishbulldog5505 SO they were as nice as we Americans are today? :D
Reminds me of a Monty Python sketch from The Life of Brian. Just saying.
@UnknowSoldier87 - Oh and lets not forget about the Huns and what they did. :)
Good thing they got all those pesky people and their families out of the way.
@headlessknight14 yup, halfcapitated.
English not Scotish they later where concered by the Saxons with formed England.
1:24 HOLY SHIT!
For better or for worse, Rome is the reason why we have the society and way of life we have today. Western civilization was made possible bec. of them along with the Greeks and Mesopotamia.
The atrocities Rome committed was only the price that had to be paid for progress and civilization. In the end the benefits far outweighed the cost.
Interesting idea. But the fall of Rome is a result of a multitude of factors - financial difficulty, poor leadership, weakening of core values, decreased quality of its armed forces etc. Lack of slaves could have been an attributing factor.
Here, are two links to the concept of slavery being a major significant factor for the fall of the Roman empire.
historum . com / ancient-history / 36751-what-killed-ancient-world-10.html#post901238
historum . com / ancient-history / 36751-what-killed-ancient-world-5.html
I'm just suggesting that as it stands currently most people believe slavery in Rome was an insignificant aspect of it's economy, I'm just suggesting it was the root of it.
Good movie but it is unecessary vioent
@CrimsonGuard1992 Your version of history is a bit skewed with a touch of propaganda. Rome wasn’t trying to bring civilization to anyone, Rome needed resources and slaves; and her leaders were more about might makes right. The tribes the Romans conquered had their own cultures and rituals which formed their societies. Many Celtic tribes had advance metal working skills, not bad for a people without a written language. I give credit to the legionaries’ courage, but in the end it was about money.
Well I admit I have not seen the full film you should think about the fact that these people who slaughtered the Romans were just trying to defend their home from an empire they did not want to be part of. So forgive me if this sounds like something out of Bravhear but they fought for freedom and won
They did a bit right in this movie and a bit wrong.
Wrong:
-Gladius's cant cleave through human parts. There built for stabby stabby not hacky slashy
Right:
-When the picts broke the shield wall open, the romans were slaughtered.
@TheGreaterGood80 maybe they brought some brutality in the beginning whoever, they offered a life 1000x better
Their not german their picts who live in Scotland
This is the best scene in the movie, the rest is shit.
You're right, but to call all the Roman soldiers hero's is a bit strange in my opinion. I don't think the Romans fought to bring civilization, I think they fought to gain power.
Well the fact that the Romans burned Carthage, crucified people, enslaved millions doesn't make them saints in my book and they wrote that stuff down, but like you said there are no true good guys in war.
Am I the only one who was rooting for the Picts in this movie?