.. drive? Drive? A particular someone falls off bikes! He doesn’t even fall down steps… he falls going up! .. and yet a certain group of geniuses still think he’s a leader. Horrendous ☠️
I was an auto claims adjuster in California for 30 years and in all that time I never had a disproportionate number of claims involving drivers 70 years and older. I sure would like to know where the state legislators got their information that said otherwise.
At 72 I’m a commercial driver driving a simi , if you look at statistics young drivers are the ones pilling up on the interstate. All those younger driver have never taken a drivers Ed course , they learned how to drive by watching their parents from the back seat screaming and yelling at traffic,they are always in a hurry and never think about the consequences of how they drive.
Young people these days are required to take a driving ed class and certain number hours of driving instruction by a licensed instructor in addition to home driving instructions before they can take a driving test for a license.
I turned 70. My whole life, I've had a perfect driving record; no violations, no tickets, no accidents, no glitches. Yet, I was forced to go thru that dmv insult bs to renew. While I was testing, I was amazed by the number of 20's, 30's, & 40 yr olds that failed. I passed.. It is what it is folks.
I'm 72 and out of country. Had to take the full meal deal at DMV California for our collector car insurance (we had just retired mom's license at 94, UNDEFEATED) So I took the big block Oldsmobile: the drive examiner asked if I was doing the road test...............for the BUS license. We had a great time!! Passed, of course. I got ONE question wrong: in Calif. you as the driver are only respon. for under 18 to put seatbelts on; in Canada the driver has to make sure ALL have seat belts. Fun Fact we had to ADD a passenger side mirror on the Olds: it didn't come with one in the sixties!!! Every Brit sports car on the pass. side would sound like driving over a beer can!! What was that????
Cool, so you should be able to pass this annual test with ease and im rooting for you. Cognitive and motor decline is undeniabls at those ages, DMV just has to make sure you are ok.
I've had to wait before, similar to a Dr office , sometimes short wait , sometimes long . You can pretty much tell which one it will be as soon as you walk in the door.
I agree with you, seniors don't take-over streets with sideshows. The majority of DUI's are younger drivers. Statistics reveal that the 25 year old age group are the most at risk for causing fatal accidents. With teens and those with new driver's licenses having the most high risk for accidents. It's also the younger generation more apt to NOT buckle-up!
Yes there needs to be tighter oversight for younger drivers, and the age should be raised to 18. However, the big difference is young drivers have all the cognitive and motor skills necessary. They simply often make poor decisions. But with oversight, they can make better decisions. Unfortunately, it's that elderly people often lack the motor and cognitive abilities in the first place (things we will not get back) and that's why there must be more checks as we get older.
Then you do not drive between 9-11 AM every day. The amount of retire people driving which cant merge to save their life's or no longer remember how a stop sign work is appalling. My only issue is the law should apply to everyone. Every 10 years, go do a knowledge test and behind wheel test.
I agree, but the tests should still be more stringent for elderly drivers than for young drivers. Every year elderly drivers' mental and cognitive function is going to decline so this is necessary. Can't say the same for the young drivers - actually its the opposite; they still have the ability to get better.
@itsjammbi6 According to research from the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety, young drivers (under 25)have the highest crash ratings, including crash-related injuries and deaths. Has nothing to do with your cognitive decline, more so your attitude, I presume.
Do this to get your initial license in order to establish a base line performance.: Calif is right. That the vision test is mandatory is great as is hearing. Next we need to test physiological acuity (AI/Computer simulators) realization & reaction measurements, Both-Eye:gray scale & color tests; both in near field and far field vision. Both! Lastly there needs to be confirming short term and long term memory sentient test: Which can be scheduled and performed by internet modalities. Time to do all this!
The absolute worst drivers on the road are those under 30 years old. Speeding, tailgating, anger issues (while blasting their horrid music), and texting while driving. When was the last time you saw a 70+ driver doing these things?
Add this to run requirements: Calif is right. That the vision test is mandatory is great as is hearing. Next we need to test physiological acuity (AI/Computer simulators) realization & reaction measurements, Both-Eye:gray scale & color tests; both in near field and far field vision. Both! Lastly there needs to be confirming short term and long term memory sentient test: Which can be scheduled and performed by internet modalities. Time to do all this!
Truck driver for 15yrs All the accidents I’ve seen only about 10 percent were caused by seniors Immigrants that don’t respect the laws of the road Should be retested as well
Might consider this all.... Calif is right. That the vision test is mandatory is great as is hearing. Next we need to test physiological acuity (AI/Computer simulators) realization & reaction measurements, Both-Eye:gray scale & color tests; both in near field and far field vision. Both! Lastly there needs to be confirming short term and long term memory sentient test: Which can be scheduled and performed by internet modalities. Time to do all this!
I have witnessed that most of our senior drivers drive better & more cautiously than younger people (20's-40's) out on the road who tend to be distracted, on their cell phones, & cutting off other drivers that are going the speed limit because they are in such a big hurry to get nowhere.
Very true! In fact a young 19 year old driver who was distracted on his cell phone, ran the red light and T boned the car in which I was a passenger, 2 and a half years ago. He hit the side I was sitting on which caused me to get pretty bad injuries that landed me in the hospital. Many times, on my way to work, I have seen young people in their 20s texting and swerving all over the freeway like drunkards.
Cool story. So those seniors should pass this test with ease. Young people are not at risk of cognitive and motor decline and we deserve to be safe on the road.
this news story is being run because of the 78-year-old driver who caused a multi-fatal crash this weekend in San Francisco, killing a family of 4 while they were sitting at a bus stop on their way to the zoo. hope this helps
He's not alone. The last President was pretty old, too. Kissinger worked at the Pentagon at 95. Is the Pope infallible? He's substituting for the Son of God. I would like to see restrictions and tests for breeding and for parenting, too. The average American IQ is 88 -- sub normal -- and that's Half. Something must be done. Separation by sex is the obvious solution. But I fear the beasts will rebel.
Most seniors go to immediate shopping areas Mom in LA never got onto the freeway: not confident. Short trips, usually in the day. I avoid driving at night , now. Elk, Mountain sheep, goats, and lots of deer on the road crossing at night.
A senior just killed almost an entire family - both parents and two out of three kids - in San Francisco. Usually it's not that tragic, obviously but no one wants that to happen.
It's not super common but there were plenty of cases. I remember at least one guy that drove into a farmers market and killed people. This is one rare new CA law that is actually sensible.
OH? Well we're appalled about the 78 year old that hit a bus stop killing a family of 4 which included an infant and small child. I think I made my point.
@@alejandroherrera5271 Yes i’ll go with that . A in person with instructed in the car not possible with the amount of renew license could be tens of thousands every day . Will never be enough dmv personal .
The younger ones should have to a test every year to update their license. They are the ones that have all the accidents, doing drugs and drunk driving offenders not the seniors🤬
In Canada drivers are graduated: your first legal year only other adult drivers are allowed in the car. You do NOT see cars full of young people, and if seen, are pulled over immediately. The car is impounded. Again? Impounded as if you're drunk: kept for a month. Again? You LOSE the car!
@@DMarshallSR Well they sure don't seem to remember half the rules that they read to study for that test. Because they stop in the middle of the roads, and lag at lights because they're texting.
their test is getting elected. If they are still there, they have been passing it. That said you must not be from California because we have term limits here.
They should have testing, both physical and mental, to allow expert experienced pilots to continue flying. I'm a lot more afraid of the incompetent "DEI" types getting the job.
Let me guess, celebrities and Politicians are either exempt or pay their way out of it. If I remember, Anne Heche was under 60 when she drove her car into a house setting it on fire, an accident that resulted in her own death.
I was southbound out of Sacramento on the 5, and had to take the second fastest lane as and "swale" from overloaded rigs in the slow lane had my wheelbase all over the road. Low traffic count mid-day, but the hornets buzzing around and by me at 80 mph. were all junior college girls in their Honda's. I felt I was standing still at 70 mph.
@@itsjammbiYour arguing with "The Greatest Generation" here. The arrogance to call your generation that explains a lot. They wouldn't survive in today's economy if they were young, things were easy and cheap back then. Walk into high school and walk out with a house and car and kids. It was that easy back then. Today, the vast majority of the population live in poverty, and most Gen Z or later will never be able to afford a home.
OH? Well we're appalled about the 78 year old that hit a bus stop killing a family of 4 which included an infant and small child. I think I made my point.
I would conduct a driving test where I call the driver during the test: if the driver looks or reaches for the phone I would yank the license for at least 6 months.
Buying alcohol at 21 . Age discrimination based on your f logic. Go back to school m..n and understand people are aging as well as their cognitive functions
@@user-kolba "Aging" does not necessarily mean a decline of cognitive functions. It may apply to some, but to generalize by saying just because ALL those who age will suffer such a decline is a generalization.
@@leecox1513 where i said all? Go and read one more time my comments. You may start questioning science if elder people have better cognitive functions than young ones. Just pure stats and science
Meanwhile, people with multiple DUI, texting while driving, repeatedly driving without insurance and suspended license continue to drive and risk the lives of law abiding people. It's not the few elderly drivers that pose a risk to society. It's the tens of thousands of irresponsible young to middle age drivers with a lifetime of deficiency in judgement, morals, driving skills and insurance that is causing great harm to society. They hit you after running a red light, then drive away without a second thought.
@@itsjammbi You generalize. Are you saying that all people of "that age" are unqualified to drive merely because of their age? You have conveniently failed to leave out those thousands in "that age" bracket who have never been in an accident or otherwise had cause for their driver's license renewals, so your statement has no weight.
I’m over 70 and had to renew in person in 2023. No problems passing the vision test, but the written test was a real challenge! Fortunately you get 3 chances to pass. I flunked on my first try (lots of tricky questions, and I had reviewed the driver’s manual) and was really sweating my second time around - and I passed!
@@breezybird403 Good point! Although I have no proof, I am inclined to doubt it, but the voter pamphlets are printed in English and Spanish. I don't know about the other languages.
I had to go in for the first time in about 15 years. Aced the written test. If I have to take a driving test, I am going to tell the proctor to drive my manual transmission car out of the parking lot first. LOL. My mother was given a 5 year license at 96. When she turned 101, I wanted to take her in to renew. She didn't want to spend the $40.
Good for your sharp mom! I took the license test in a 1931 Model A Ford in 1953 and passed the written with no problems, but the woman assigned for the driving test subtracted a few points because I forgot to stick out my arm to signal "left turn" when pulling out of a parallel parking spot. The old car didn't feature electric turn signals, but I still received my license to drive anyway. I was sixteen years old. In California. To this day, I always use the turn signal when exiting a parallel parking spot.
@@itsjammbi there is not so much driving experience in younger drivers for there to be all that much 'cognitive' to loose in the first place. The term "cognitive decline"is subjective and is used to discriminate and demean the elderly, unfortunately. The younger drivers could and sometimes do believe that their reflexes are faster than the elderly and that is essentially true, but the faster reflexes with the lack of driving experience does not make for 'better decision making' when reacting to a perceived hazard while driving, nor do the faster reflexes make it any safer' for reckless and dangerous driving.
How is this not considered age discrimination? I understand the desire to keep the roads safe but there is a system in place to address poor driving behaviors by all drivers. It is the point system in place for people who receive citations or are involved in collisions, or an order for re-evaluation of the drivers license by a police officer. As another commenter pointed out I see plenty of abhorrent driving by people of younger ages yet we are targeting older drivers?
Senior driving evaluation is justified as situational awareness changes with age. As a senior, I agree younger drivers need to be reevaluated for their driving bad behavior. Tougher penalties for those participating in "sideshows" no matter the age. Added penalties for underage driving, say no license until 18 or 21 instead of everyone else at 16. Longer revocations for DUI.
@@rosameryrojas-delcerro1059 YES! Driving is a privilege, so is dining in a restaurant or staying in a hotel, none of which can be denied due to discrimination. Therefore, your comparison relating to discrimination is irrelevant, if you want to fuss about it, which you absolutely would fuss about it if you were the one being discriminated against.
So CA is now going to test senior drivers, what about we do the same for all the 70+ politicians. Those SOB are more dangerous then the drivers. What a f82536 joke
So much for law's against age discrimination ! In communist Dems California thy hand out driver's licenses to non citizens who can't read traffic signs and don't have insurance !
I'm 66. For sure my senses aren't what they were 40 years ago. I'm also not as reckless as I was 40 years ago. Additional testing for drivers of advanced age is appropriate, as long as we are held to the same standard as everyone else. At the same time, we should accept that at some point in our lives it's time to hand over the keys.
That’s the point here, seniors are held to higher standards here when there’s no statistic supports they’re at higher risk for accidents. The young drivers’ senses aren’t always it should be as well but they are not required to submit drug test and driving test upon renewal.
@@Krismak2003 It might have been WHERE you were doing the 10+. School zone? Dense traffic? Cops tend to ignore that out in the boonies with very few cars around, if that was all.
@@Krismak2003the point is why target seniors who might never had any traffic violations or accidents and subject them to in person renewal, written test, and possibly driving test when younger drivers can get away with multiple violations or even accidents.
How do we know they weren't horrible drivers in their country or having DUIs? They cause many accidents in California, often without insurance which the State hides from the public.@@davediamond9436
CA requires immigrants to pass the same exam as citizens for their limited DL which does not allow them to register to vote. Some try and get caught. CDL drivers must pass more stringent courses. Big issue however are the transient CDL drivers with loads out of Mexico to all parts of the US and even into Canada. Getting a Mexican DL is easier than the states and they use less maintained trucks.
70 year olds are safer drivers than show off teens, yet they are being punished at the DMV. The test was very tricky, must read carefully before selecting answer, must be taken at DMV.
My grandma is 90, and still lives alone and drives herself. She cherishes her independence. In the last 5 years she has also driven into a ditch, smashed the side of a parked car, and swiped numerous objects around parking lots. She just had her license renewed by the DMV.
I had to renew last year, There is a whole lotta stuff in the written test that were not there 40 years ago. Like about phones and the braking distance between cars changing to time vs car lengths,
The braking distance was what I learned in my high school driver's ed class in 1952. IIRC it was one car-length for each 10 mph on the speedometer. I have found that Arizona drivers behind me don't pay any attention to that rule, or that they have not been taught the rule, resulting in their driving far too close behind me---unless I''m driving my '38 Chevy coupe with a Corvette LS6 fuel-injected engine that has far more than enough horsepower to allow me to put some room between us...
Sick of old people wanting all these extra protection... someone can sue for age discrimination then they are older but if a elderly boss discriminates employees on their 20s they cant sue ...they are fine with that but when its extra rules thats tk far. 😂
I am a senior and agree senior driving evaluation is justified as situational awareness changes with age. Younger drivers need to be reevaluated for those with bad driving behavior. Added penalties for underage driving, say no license until 18 or 21 instead of everyone else at 16. Tougher penalties for those participating in "sideshows" no matter the age. Longer revocations for DUI.
As long as DMV has an additional "special requirement" for seniors, how about a "special access" counter for seniors on which transactions are conducted swiftly to avoid the long line and waiting period. After all, we are "special cases" in their eyes. Right?
In about 2001, I had a retina detachment, and the repair destroyed much of the vision in one eye. My 2005 renewal was a send-us-the-money one. In 2010 (age 65), they required me to take a behind-the-wheel test. The examiner said that it was a boring event. My comment was that it was supposed to be. In 2020, I renewed just before the shutdown and took the computer exam. My next renewal is in 2025 at age 80. I keep myself in shape by running 5 to 6 km every morning at about 10 minutes per kilometer. I placed second in my age group at the 2022 1000 steps of Bisbee, Arizona.
Stay in shape. I'm 86 and anticipate NO problems in five more years when I have to renew my license. I am more concerned about being hit by uninsured or under-insured drivers (my State Farm policy doesn't offer coverage). We plan to visit Tombstone sometime this month, and will probably travel through Bisbee in our motor home. We want to leave before it gets too hot, and April should ensure some nice weather. We moved from California five years ago, and enjoy Prescott a lot. Taking a classic car to the Route 66 event in early May.
Im young however i dare the California law to look at the ages that cause accidents and its typically young drunk drivers. The best drivers i know are old or as they called it “senior”
I prefer the adjective "old." "Elderly" or "Senior" are like referring to someone who has died as "passed." I have no problem being called "old," nor with calling myself "old." The other adjectives are merely an attempt to gloss over the truth.
In my area, it seems to be the younger generation that seems to cause the most problems. Excessive speed, red light running, won’t get off of their cell phones while driving, following too close, street racing, dui, etc. They don’t have the maturity and experience that many older drivers have.
I think 70's is the new 60's. So if the DMV pushes the age threshold to 75, I'm all for it. At 75 or older, taking a written test and a vision test is a reasonable requirement.
As one who is 72 years old and thankfully no longer lives in California, I realize that my reflexes are no longer what they used to be. That is why I am careful and drive just slightly over the limit. The ones who seem to cause most of the accidents are either drunk, high or under 30 years old. They are the ones tailgating, swapping lanes constantly and driving 15-30 miles over the limit.
My bad experiences are with those who tail-gate. All have been adults---mainly older women, although many have been older men. On our long two-lane highway i have to use when going to town, there is no way to shake off tail-gaters, even if I try to increase my speed to over 10-miles over the limit. They always manage to stay right on my rear bumper. I refuse to get into an argument with them, knowing that I might be risking my life if they were to pull out a firearm in retaliation. I have a permit to carry, but I usually travel without any defensive weapon. I am a life member of the NRA and am well-versed in self-defense with a firearm.
100% I agree with special testing requirements for over 70. They should absolutely require a driving test for 75 and over. I'm 74 and live on the coast of Oregon and there are incompetent older drivers who are no longer sharp enough to drive. A mix of prescription drugs are probably a factor.
I took full Driver's Ed in high school. My daughter went to a driving school. Both courses stressed DRIVING DEFENSIVELY and I think most seniors do drive defensively though there are some that should definitely not be behind the wheel. What I see driving around is, it's every man for themselves and get out of my way folks, including those with commercial licenses. It's a free-for-all out there and a lot of "seniors" are going to take the hit for it.
Driving defensively to me includes leaving lots of space between my car and the traffic in front of me. If there is an accident too close to my front bumper that tosses junk onto the highway, if I am too close to it, I may not have time to swerve or stop in order to avoid hitting the objects. i also keep an eye on cars at side streets who are waiting to enter freeways. I don't trust ANY drivers, even though they might be stopped.
How about we also require being able to read english and have U.S citizenship to have a driver's' license? State Farm told me my rates went up because of all the claims involving unlicensed or insured drivers in Ca.
My Arizona State Farm policy refuses to cover under or uninsured motorists. If one of them wrecks my car, I am forced to pay for the repairs. I'm think of moving to another insurer, but haven't decided which one to consider. Any suggestions will be welcomed. Other than one speeding ticket and a few parking tickets, I have a clean record.
This is just one more tool for a family member to make a referral to the DMV against their senior relative for not paying off a credit card debt that isn’t the senior’s responsibility.
I’m 70 and can still drive fine. My sister is 75 and “didn’t know her license expired” until 6 months after the fact. She can be very loopy. Should she drive? Not in my opinion. It hurts nothing to give them a test. That is just purely safety.
My father lost his license due to a medical condition. Mom had a license, but rarely drove. She was required to take the senior road test because rarely driving. The tester gave her an easy parallel park, but mom reminded the tester the car would not clear the fire hydrant safe space and opted for another location. She could do curbside parallel parking much better than most drivers.
@@itsjammbi Some young people are great attentive drivers. You just get lumped in with the young MEN that like to be macho through their car. They usually change once they put their first baby in the car.
@@nomenclature9373Tell your mom not to worry. I've been driving for 70 years and am still not comfortable with parallel parking. I do it only when necessary, rather preferring large parking lots, such as the ones at Walmart or Costco.
Does DUI include non-alcoholic drug intoxication? And....why not include drivers younger than 17? In California, I took my exam at 16, but that was in 1953 in a Model A Ford roadster. The DMV agent loved the car, and I passed with no problem, other than I was corrected for not giving a hand signal when pulling out of a parking spot. To this day, I make sure that I signal before leaving curbside parking spots. Speeding was not a problem because the car wouldn't go over 45-50 mph on a flat surface.
Something has to bloat the DMV. Might as well go after good drivers who just happen to old, and experienced drivers, never mind the young reckless road warriors.
Before I retired from the Post Office in 2010, I had a 96-year-old lady on my route who renewed her driver's license through the mail. Didn't have to go to the DMV. She told me about it while she was working in her yard, when I came by with the mail.
I personally know of three people whose vision should prevent them from driving. One lost an eye and can barely see out the other, one has mascular degeneration and the last one can barely see out of her coke bottle glasses... NONE OF THESE CASES HAVE TO DO WITH AGE AS MUCH AS HEREDITARY BAD VISION, DISEASE AND INJURY, although none are spring chickens either!!!
It isn’t a problem for 60-70 years old but some people they are younger than 40 years old but still driving dangerous why not catch and force to take written and driving again because they are caused most of accidents!
@@itsjammbi "Undeniable?" Got any evidence, or do you just like to grab such a statement out of thin air? I could use the same limp ploy by saying it is "undeniable" that all "young folks" take drugs and drive while drunk. I know such a statement is rubbish, but there are some who would believe it merely because I uttered it.
@@leecox1513 im on saying on average dude, im a medical student so im aware that this is normal in those ages. You dont see young people getting dementia now do ya
My niece is bi-polar, having fits of road rage. She crashes Into people on the freeway, because they looked at her. DMV has never called her in for re-evaluation. She's nowhere near 70, but will seriously hurt someone. DMV targets and bullies seniors.
I have not found that DMV targets and/or bullies seniors unless those seniors are acting out with gross stupidity or will just not cooperate within the DMV rules and regulations. Taking your niece off the road and refusing to hand her a license might just save her life some day, plus save the lives of other drivers. DMV should be notified by you about her mental instability. You should also ask your physician to inform the DMV that your niece is a threat when behind the steering wheel and that DMV should NOT re-issue her license. I had to contact my father's physician after my dad had a low-speed non-fatal accident. My dad had been suffering from dementia, and was definitely unfit to be on the road in the car I had given him several years prior. DMV revoked his license and I impounded the car.
Safe driving and mental test should be given to the young. They are more aggressive and some not fit to drive. Look who’s doing sideshows. Look who’s not following road etiquettes and rules. Young or seniors? Just an example.
I am 69 and live in a retirement community with a high percentage of seniors. Every day I see poor driving by seniors. Everything from stopping 5-6 car lengths behind other cars at a stoplight ( poor spatial judgement) to entering intersections and stopping for no reason ( possible confusion) and my personal favorite-stepping on the gas and launching themselves into fences and buildings which has happened several times in the last 3 years. I think a practical driving test is a great idea!
Michigan, 71 yrs old, I'd quit driving but there's no alternative. No busses. Taxis cost $50 around trip to grocery store. There's no uber or anything else in my rural area. I took the Sr. Citizen Driving Class, which helped a little.
Are you saying people can tell the DMV who they think shouldn't drive anonymously and the older driver's license can be taken away? How about start reporting anonymously to the DMV on younger drivers who too should have their drivers license taken away because they're considered poor unsafe drivers.
While generally true about older drivers, 16-21 y.o. scare the crap out of me, and, many, many 22-69 y.o. drive like crap and/or are just too aggressive and inconsiderate. And they tailgate too!!! I hate that.
Wow......another who shares my extreme concern about tailgaters. I never thought my concerns about drivers behind me would surpass those of drivers to the front, but that's the case around Prescott, Arizona.
Ideally it sounds great. But right now everything is already in place. Businesses are stay where they're at. It would work best in a urban area. San Francisco could probably take advantage of this since many of their stores in the Union Square area have closed. It would be a chance to build a model walk able city in the US. Although a lot of SF is walk able already.
Yes....for instance, an infrastructure such as the "Train to Nowhere" in California that has cost millions of dollars, but has been a drag on the CA economy because of low ridership? Not a problem for the CA politicians because they merely raise taxes for the law-abiding citizens. Such liberal politicians have no problem spend money, as long as it isn't theirs.
You mean like the "train to nowhere" in California that cost millions of dollars, but suffers from a lack of riders? Dumb ideas such as this are exactly why taxes are so high.
I've had to do the same rigamarole several times over the last 35 years even though ive never had an accident or any tickets , except not feeding a parking meter on time.
That DMV test is pretty hard since its a wide range of potential topics. I barely pass when i moved into CA after even driving 25 years with 0 tickets or accidents.
I'm 78 and I just had to get a new license and I'm in favor of screening. I breezed through the written part because I studied, and I did OK with the vision portion, which I was concerned about. I've seen a lot of bad drivers in the 55+ "active" community I live in. I'm aware that I'm not as sharp as I once was, my vision isn't as sharp, my reactions aren't as sharp. I don't plan to be one of those old people that they have to steal the car keys from, and I'm well aware that I'm winding down and I'm exploring other options for that eventuality in a few years.
This is total BS … I’ve been driving since I was 13 years old (started on a family ranch), got my permits at 15 (after completing drivers Ed which was classroom AND actual on the streets training), got my license at 16 and blessed / taught by my father how to pull a trailer (utility and travel trailer). In over 50 years of driving I’ve had 3 speeding tickets (1 for driving 20 in an unposted 15 zone). Not a single accident that was my fault … 2 accidents that were “hit & run” by cowards. I had to renew my license this past year to have my eyesight tested and had to pay an additional $60 because I had just turned 66. Just another way for government to collect money from average law abiding citizens!!! 🤬🤬🤬😊
@@itsjammbi Of the deaths that young people die from. 33 percent of the deaths of young people is due to vehicle accidents. That's a really high number.
@@spiritofchaos58 It's different issues. But the raw numbers is that when drivers get over 65 their accident death rate per mile goes up slightly above the average compared to 25-64 year old. But it still a lot lower per mile compared to 16-24 year old drivers. You'll hear the news about much older drivers than you will about accidents from say a 22 year old. That's not news the media wants to push.
If only we did this for politicians...
Right! 👍
Vicious! 😂
.. drive? Drive? A particular someone falls off bikes! He doesn’t even fall down steps… he falls going up! .. and yet a certain group of geniuses still think he’s a leader. Horrendous ☠️
The country would be a better place. Hell, the whole world would be a better place.
Exactly 😂👏🏽🏆
I was an auto claims adjuster in California for 30 years and in all that time I never had a disproportionate number of claims involving drivers 70 years and older. I sure would like to know where the state legislators got their information that said otherwise.
I think you're lying.
Apparently, according the news story, it's something that's been on the books for 50 years. So who knows what the stats were back then.
Look up Mary Fong Lau, that happened during the weekend of St.Patrick just few days ago.
Thank you for sharing data! I hope class action attorney will make a case against this nonsense.
Sure bud. Go take your test. As a young driver, safety is #1.
How’s about our politicians be screened like this
illegals
and the voters
Don’t they have limousine service?
Oh no you know the politicians and everybody else and higher positions are going to be exempt
DEMOCRATS not politicians
At 72 I’m a commercial driver driving a simi , if you look at statistics young drivers are the ones pilling up on the interstate. All those younger driver have never taken a drivers Ed course , they learned how to drive by watching their parents from the back seat screaming and yelling at traffic,they are always in a hurry and never think about the consequences of how they drive.
Cool story, so you should pass your test with ease! Good luck pal, im rooting for you.
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The kids probably can't even drive stick, much less double-clutch a big rig.
Young people these days are required to take a driving ed class and certain number hours of driving instruction by a licensed instructor in addition to home driving instructions before they can take a driving test for a license.
@@Lulu-vi4wb It’s the home schooling that has ruined them for life.
I turned 70. My whole life, I've had a perfect driving record; no violations, no tickets, no accidents, no glitches. Yet, I was forced to go thru that dmv insult bs to renew. While I was testing, I was amazed by the number of 20's, 30's, & 40 yr olds that failed. I passed.. It is what it is folks.
Driving test or just Rules of the Road booklet?
@@rockslide4802 eye test too.
I'm 72 and out of country. Had to take the full meal deal at DMV California for our collector car insurance (we had just retired mom's license at 94, UNDEFEATED) So I took the big block Oldsmobile: the drive examiner asked if I was doing the road test...............for the BUS license. We had a great time!! Passed, of course. I got ONE question wrong: in Calif. you as the driver are only respon. for under 18 to put seatbelts on; in Canada the driver has to make sure ALL have seat belts. Fun Fact we had to ADD a passenger side mirror on the Olds: it didn't come with one in the sixties!!! Every Brit sports car on the pass. side would sound like driving over a beer can!! What was that????
Cool, so you should be able to pass this annual test with ease and im rooting for you. Cognitive and motor decline is undeniabls at those ages, DMV just has to make sure you are ok.
So, you bent over instead of sued. You get what you deserve if you live in CA.
If only the DMV wasn't a pain in the ass to go into.
Try making an appointment online first. It goes a lot faster when you get to the DMV.
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I've had to wait before, similar to a Dr office , sometimes short wait , sometimes long . You can pretty much tell which one it will be as soon as you walk in the door.
Try going in the middle of a workday
Dmv employees are a bunch of rude pirates
As a 74 year young driver I am constantly appalled at the driving skills demonstrated by young reckless drivers.
Seniors are worse and only get worse, young drivers can get better not really a solid argument here.
You mean those entitled that Stop is for someone else. A phone conversation takes priority over rules of the road AND COURTESY.???
Okay grandpa- at least young drivers are more likely to have the reflex and reaction speed needed
I agree with you, seniors don't take-over streets with sideshows. The majority of DUI's are younger drivers. Statistics reveal that the 25 year old age group are the most at risk for causing fatal accidents. With teens and those with new driver's licenses having the most high risk for accidents. It's also the younger generation more apt to NOT buckle-up!
Yes there needs to be tighter oversight for younger drivers, and the age should be raised to 18. However, the big difference is young drivers have all the cognitive and motor skills necessary. They simply often make poor decisions. But with oversight, they can make better decisions. Unfortunately, it's that elderly people often lack the motor and cognitive abilities in the first place (things we will not get back) and that's why there must be more checks as we get older.
It's the aggressive teen drivers, drunk drivers, texting drivers and out on free bail felons in stolen cars I'm worried about.
AGREE 100%
👍 Agree!!
And stoned drivers
Then you do not drive between 9-11 AM every day. The amount of retire people driving which cant merge to save their life's or no longer remember how a stop sign work is appalling. My only issue is the law should apply to everyone. Every 10 years, go do a knowledge test and behind wheel test.
I can't understand the addiction to the phone that is so powerful it overrides common sense and safety...
If they are going to do this for seniors, then they should be doing the same thing for any drivers under 25 as well.
As a 22 year old man i didnt know im at risk of cognitive, motor, and reaction decline. Thanks for making me aware.
I agree, but the tests should still be more stringent for elderly drivers than for young drivers. Every year elderly drivers' mental and cognitive function is going to decline so this is necessary. Can't say the same for the young drivers - actually its the opposite; they still have the ability to get better.
@itsjammbi6 According to research from the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety, young drivers (under 25)have the highest crash ratings, including crash-related injuries and deaths. Has nothing to do with your cognitive decline, more so your attitude, I presume.
@@SavyB13 but this test is for cognitive decline only
Do this to get your initial license in order to establish a base line performance.:
Calif is right. That the vision test is mandatory is great as is hearing. Next we need to test physiological acuity (AI/Computer simulators) realization & reaction measurements, Both-Eye:gray scale & color tests; both in near field and far field vision. Both! Lastly there needs to be confirming short term and long term memory sentient test: Which can be scheduled and performed by internet modalities. Time to do all this!
The absolute worst drivers on the road are those under 30 years old. Speeding, tailgating, anger issues (while blasting their horrid music), and texting while driving. When was the last time you saw a 70+ driver doing these things?
Exactly
70 plus drive slow and look lost on the roads that aren't safe. That's the problem you old folk always blaming the young people
YES! Especially the music that rattles your entire home!! Or the intersection overtakers speeding and destroying the streets.
Oh no not the music! This test is for people who are at risk of cognitive and motor decline, which is undeniable at that age.
Never.
Same for all politician
Dems would expempt dems.
Add this to run requirements: Calif is right. That the vision test is mandatory is great as is hearing. Next we need to test physiological acuity (AI/Computer simulators) realization & reaction measurements, Both-Eye:gray scale & color tests; both in near field and far field vision. Both! Lastly there needs to be confirming short term and long term memory sentient test: Which can be scheduled and performed by internet modalities. Time to do all this!
@@RonaldPBarrett Lets see how you feel about this when you have to meet the requirements. Also, the idiots that drive like maniacs are not Seniors.
PoliticianS. It's PLURAL. Duh!
Truck driver for 15yrs
All the accidents I’ve seen only about 10 percent were caused by seniors
Immigrants that don’t respect the laws of the road
Should be retested as well
Might consider this all.... Calif is right. That the vision test is mandatory is great as is hearing. Next we need to test physiological acuity (AI/Computer simulators) realization & reaction measurements, Both-Eye:gray scale & color tests; both in near field and far field vision. Both! Lastly there needs to be confirming short term and long term memory sentient test: Which can be scheduled and performed by internet modalities. Time to do all this!
Immigrants that don’t respect the law should be deported
@@RonaldPBarrett Why not do this every year for all drivers?
Illegals shouldn't be allowed to drive, period!
But they’ll give licenses to people who can’t even read the the hand book or the traffic signs.
Stop! You may "offend" the illegal immigrants who need drivers' licenses in order to vote in California without having to prove citizenship.
I have witnessed that most of our senior drivers drive better & more cautiously than younger people (20's-40's) out on the road who tend to be distracted, on their cell phones, & cutting off other drivers that are going the speed limit because they are in such a big hurry to get nowhere.
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Very true! In fact a young 19 year old driver who was distracted on his cell phone, ran the red light and T boned the car in which I was a passenger, 2 and a half years ago. He hit the side I was sitting on which caused me to get pretty bad injuries that landed me in the hospital.
Many times, on my way to work, I have seen young people in their 20s texting and swerving all over the freeway like drunkards.
Cool story. So those seniors should pass this test with ease. Young people are not at risk of cognitive and motor decline and we deserve to be safe on the road.
this news story is being run because of the 78-year-old driver who caused a multi-fatal crash this weekend in San Francisco, killing a family of 4 while they were sitting at a bus stop on their way to the zoo. hope this helps
Case in point. I'm 76 and was stopped at an intersection and was rear-ended by a 24 year old just last week. He said he was 'distracted.'
Too bad you dont have to take a Citizenship Test!!!
True. I bet illegals will be given licenses with no stipulations whatsoever.
Wouldn't it be unconstitutional to require That?
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@@imd1b4u Soon you will be sent home... Better pack now
😂true these politicians are sickening why are they screwing up our own people. It's sad don't make sense.
Dad passed with flying colors at 98.
He licence expired 3 years after he passed.
Mom's license expires at age 103, but she only made it past 101----She always drove a stick shift, as do I.
Imagine having driving restrictions for drivers but a 80 year old leading the country doesn’t.
The 80-year-old is what scares me.
Agree! Every politician over 75 should have to retire. I have met only a couple of senior who understand the needs of the many.
He's not alone. The last President was pretty old, too. Kissinger worked at the Pentagon at 95.
Is the Pope infallible? He's substituting for the Son of God. I would like to see restrictions and tests for breeding and for parenting, too. The average American IQ is 88 -- sub normal -- and that's Half. Something must be done. Separation by sex is the obvious solution. But I fear the beasts will rebel.
@@whatsup7253the 77 year old scares me more!
Especially because he can't hardly walk without falling down.
And yet immigrants don't need a license...............
No they pick theirs up at wal-mart in the sporting goods dept.
and some idiot judge in Illinois ruled that illegals can possess a gun. Completely nuts.
@@krandelvision555 Probably easier to get than a hunting license.
For that remark, prepared to be called a "Racist!"
@@tommysmith2409 There are plenty of idiot judges to go around-----especially in the northern states, including Illinois and Michigan.
I seldom hear news about car accidents with senior drivers. This should be applied to younger drivers most often over speeding and overtaking unsafely
Most seniors go to immediate shopping areas Mom in LA never got onto the freeway: not confident. Short trips, usually in the day. I avoid driving at night , now. Elk, Mountain sheep, goats, and lots of deer on the road crossing at night.
@@DwightStJohn-w1l thats cause their too busy forgetting which is brake and gas driving into businesses
A senior just killed almost an entire family - both parents and two out of three kids - in San Francisco. Usually it's not that tragic, obviously but no one wants that to happen.
It's not super common but there were plenty of cases. I remember at least one guy that drove into a farmers market and killed people. This is one rare new CA law that is actually sensible.
OH? Well we're appalled about the 78 year old that hit a bus stop killing a family of 4 which included an infant and small child. I think I made my point.
Too bad they don’t have a test like that to be president
I agree, but sadly, it wouldn't get past Congress or the Supreme Court.
I've been saying this for years but should also include young/new drivers.
I've been thinking of something similar too. Mandatory written and behind the wheel test every time your license is up for renewal
@@alejandroherrera5271 Yes i’ll go with that . A in person with instructed in the car not possible with the amount of renew license could be tens of thousands every day . Will never be enough dmv personal .
They're the worse offenders!
The younger ones should have to a test every year to update their license. They are the ones that have all the accidents, doing drugs and drunk driving offenders not the seniors🤬
This should also include younger/new drivers. They are also dangerous for the first year or two.
In Canada drivers are graduated: your first legal year only other adult drivers are allowed in the car. You do NOT see cars full of young people, and if seen, are pulled over immediately. The car is impounded. Again? Impounded as if you're drunk: kept for a month. Again? You LOSE the car!
i already did this to get my license but thanks. Go take the test please, safety is my top priority as a young driver
Or ten.
Or 10.
@@DMarshallSR Well they sure don't seem to remember half the rules that they read to study for that test. Because they stop in the middle of the roads, and lag at lights because they're texting.
Why no test for the corrupt in Sacramento and DC?
For real. This is the question that really needs to be asked
because they're the "special people."
Legislators are exempt from legislation.
@@pete5668 You mean like on the short bus?
their test is getting elected. If they are still there, they have been passing it. That said you must not be from California because we have term limits here.
Commercial Pilots must retire at 65. Apply this law to Political Positions & Judges!
They should have testing, both physical and mental, to allow expert experienced pilots to continue flying. I'm a lot more afraid of the incompetent "DEI" types getting the job.
When I was flying in the 1970s it was 55.
Minneapolis firefighters also have a mandatory retirement at 65. In some cases, age is not the only factor.
Because diversity hiring with lower test scores are so much safer
Let me guess, celebrities and Politicians are either exempt or pay their way out of it. If I remember, Anne Heche was under 60 when she drove her car into a house setting it on fire, an accident that resulted in her own death.
It is not the senior that are reckless; the young with fast cars that drive 100+mph on the fwy zigzagging between cars.
I was southbound out of Sacramento on the 5, and had to take the second fastest lane as and "swale" from overloaded rigs in the slow lane had my wheelbase all over the road. Low traffic count mid-day, but the hornets buzzing around and by me at 80 mph. were all junior college girls in their Honda's. I felt I was standing still at 70 mph.
its not about reckless. The test is about cognitive and motor decline which is undeniable at that age.
@@itsjammbiYour arguing with "The Greatest Generation" here. The arrogance to call your generation that explains a lot. They wouldn't survive in today's economy if they were young, things were easy and cheap back then. Walk into high school and walk out with a house and car and kids. It was that easy back then. Today, the vast majority of the population live in poverty, and most Gen Z or later will never be able to afford a home.
@@itsjammbi Well cognitive and motor skills aren't developed in new drivers but they get a pass.
OH? Well we're appalled about the 78 year old that hit a bus stop killing a family of 4 which included an infant and small child. I think I made my point.
But the president of the United States isn't required to take any kind of competency test?
I know, look how Trump became president!
@@dogsense3773got your nose deep in Bidens diaper don't ya!😢😮😅
@@omi_godneither would you or Bumbling Biden! 😢😮😅
Good point; he’s over 70.
Does Trump even have a DL?
I would conduct a driving test where I call the driver during the test: if the driver looks or reaches for the phone I would yank the license for at least 6 months.
Age discrimination.
Where are the lawyers on this.
Not to worry; they will pop up soon enough!
because driving is a privilege not a right.
Buying alcohol at 21 . Age discrimination based on your f logic. Go back to school m..n and understand people are aging as well as their cognitive functions
@@user-kolba "Aging" does not necessarily mean a decline of cognitive functions. It may apply to some, but to generalize by saying just because ALL those who age will suffer such a decline is a generalization.
@@leecox1513 where i said all? Go and read one more time my comments. You may start questioning science if elder people have better cognitive functions than young ones. Just pure stats and science
Meanwhile, people with multiple DUI, texting while driving, repeatedly driving without insurance and suspended license continue to drive and risk the lives of law abiding people.
It's not the few elderly drivers that pose a risk to society. It's the tens of thousands of irresponsible young to middle age drivers with a lifetime of deficiency in judgement, morals, driving skills and insurance that is causing great harm to society. They hit you after running a red light, then drive away without a second thought.
If the person has no tickets or anything on their recorded it should be the same as anyone else to renewal
Nope, because cognitive and motor decline is undeniable at that age. This is great what california is doing.
@@itsjammbi You generalize. Are you saying that all people of "that age" are unqualified to drive merely because of their age? You have conveniently failed to leave out those thousands in "that age" bracket who have never been in an accident or otherwise had cause for their driver's license renewals, so your statement has no weight.
What about all the driver’s driving around without a license?
So........what about them?
I’m over 70 and had to renew in person in 2023. No problems passing the vision test, but the written test was a real challenge! Fortunately you get 3 chances to pass. I flunked on my first try (lots of tricky questions, and I had reviewed the driver’s manual) and was really sweating my second time around - and I passed!
Are there any physical manual pamphlets available in ENGLISH anymore?
@@breezybird403 Good point! Although I have no proof, I am inclined to doubt it, but the voter pamphlets are printed in English and Spanish. I don't know about the other languages.
I had to go in for the first time in about 15 years. Aced the written test. If I have to take a driving test, I am going to tell the proctor to drive my manual transmission car out of the parking lot first. LOL. My mother was given a 5 year license at 96. When she turned 101, I wanted to take her in to renew. She didn't want to spend the $40.
Good for your sharp mom! I took the license test in a 1931 Model A Ford in 1953 and passed the written with no problems, but the woman assigned for the driving test subtracted a few points because I forgot to
stick out my arm to signal "left turn" when pulling out of a parallel parking spot. The old car didn't feature
electric turn signals, but I still received my license to drive anyway. I was sixteen years old. In California. To this day, I always use the turn signal when exiting a parallel parking spot.
These test should be given to 20 to 29 years old as well!
We dont have cognitive and motor decline at that age, sorry to break it to you
@@itsjammbi there is not so much driving experience in younger drivers for there to be all that much 'cognitive' to loose in the first place. The term "cognitive decline"is subjective and is used to discriminate and demean the elderly, unfortunately.
The younger drivers could and sometimes do believe that their reflexes are faster than the elderly and that is essentially true, but the faster reflexes with the lack of driving experience does not make for 'better decision making' when reacting to a perceived hazard while driving, nor do the faster reflexes make it any safer' for reckless and dangerous driving.
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How is this not considered age discrimination? I understand the desire to keep the roads safe but there is a system in place to address poor driving behaviors by all drivers. It is the point system in place for people who receive citations or are involved in collisions, or an order for re-evaluation of the drivers license by a police officer. As another commenter pointed out I see plenty of abhorrent driving by people of younger ages yet we are targeting older drivers?
Driving is a privilege, not a right. Technically even not allowing 4 year olds to drive is age discrimination if you want to fuss about it.
Senior driving evaluation is justified as situational awareness changes with age. As a senior, I agree younger drivers need to be reevaluated for their driving bad behavior. Tougher penalties for those participating in "sideshows" no matter the age. Added penalties for underage driving, say no license until 18 or 21 instead of everyone else at 16. Longer revocations for DUI.
@@rosameryrojas-delcerro1059 YES! Driving is a privilege, so is dining in a restaurant or staying in a hotel, none of which can be denied due to discrimination. Therefore, your comparison relating to discrimination is irrelevant, if you want to fuss about it, which you absolutely would fuss about it if you were the one being discriminated against.
How many times do we hear from the left about policies that indirectly effect black people. Yet here is one that directly affects people of age.
@@terryburns1805except restaurants and hotels can and do have age requirements so there’s that..
So CA is now going to test senior drivers, what about we do the same for all the 70+ politicians. Those SOB are more dangerous then the drivers.
What a f82536 joke
Why stop at 70? Some of the worst politicians are under 70.
Ages not matters. Skills are always matters.
Age matters when you're an elderly driver.
It does matter. Cognitive and motor decline is undeniable at that age. Dont act oblivious
@@itsjammbiNot all "elderly" drivers display "cognitive and motor decline." You generalize!
@@leecox1513 it is common though and needs to be checked, it doesnt hurt checking for it does it
@@user-yp9nz6bs9q Not necessarily! How did you come to your flawed conclusion?
senior are not the problem. Younger people are the problem with their speeding
Seniors are not a problem huh. Its not like cognitive and motor decline is undeniable at that age. oh no no no. Its the young people!
@@itsjammbi i rather get hit with 50mph than 100mph minimum insurance policy or no insurance, drug, and DUI. your generation is f$$k up
@@seasnakes6337 hahah sure. yea we all drive 100 mph. totally normal.
Yes. The think they're driving by zipping around but it's the other people who have braked to give them the space to get by.
So much for law's against age discrimination ! In communist Dems California thy hand out driver's licenses to non citizens who can't read traffic signs and don't have insurance !
I'm 66. For sure my senses aren't what they were 40 years ago. I'm also not as reckless as I was 40 years ago. Additional testing for drivers of advanced age is appropriate, as long as we are held to the same standard as everyone else. At the same time, we should accept that at some point in our lives it's time to hand over the keys.
That’s the point here, seniors are held to higher standards here when there’s no statistic supports they’re at higher risk for accidents. The young drivers’ senses aren’t always it should be as well but they are not required to submit drug test and driving test upon renewal.
People who gets more two tickets should retest to keep their license
Hell no😂 I got 2 speeding tickets in less that 2 years for going less than 10 over😭
@@Krismak2003 that’s your fault
@@Krismak2003 It might have been WHERE you were doing the 10+. School zone? Dense traffic? Cops tend to ignore that out in the boonies with very few cars around, if that was all.
I agree.
@@Krismak2003the point is why target seniors who might never had any traffic violations or accidents and subject them to in person renewal, written test, and possibly driving test when younger drivers can get away with multiple violations or even accidents.
But foreigners w/o Documentation are Given a Drivers License.
genius, they still have to pass all the test..
How do we know they weren't horrible drivers in their country or having DUIs? They cause many accidents in California, often without insurance which the State hides from the public.@@davediamond9436
... inclusion at it's FINEST
Illegals
On which planet? Stifle your hate, its leaking out.
If they really want to stop dangerous driving they should bring in everyone who has had multiple speeding tickets for renewal.
Such speeders would probably just continue driving without valid licenses.
Senior citizens of CALIFORNIA need to do a class action lawsuit citing age discrimination.
In CA just tell them that you are a “new-comer.” Then you don’t need a license, insurance or take a written test.
CA requires immigrants to pass the same exam as citizens for their limited DL which does not allow them to register to vote. Some try and get caught. CDL drivers must pass more stringent courses. Big issue however are the transient CDL drivers with loads out of Mexico to all parts of the US and even into Canada. Getting a Mexican DL is easier than the states and they use less maintained trucks.
70 year olds are safer drivers than show off teens, yet they are being punished at the DMV.
The test was very tricky, must read carefully before selecting answer, must be taken at DMV.
My grandma is 90, and still lives alone and drives herself. She cherishes her independence.
In the last 5 years she has also driven into a ditch, smashed the side of a parked car, and swiped numerous objects around parking lots.
She just had her license renewed by the DMV.
You can file a report with the dmv
Anecdotal argument
That's scary 😬😬😬😬
Without a law to stop this abuse, she will continue to be a threat to everyone else.@@winning3329
@@roan33 I'm not making an argument, just stating facts (though yes, they are anecdotal).
I had to renew last year, There is a whole lotta stuff in the written test that were not there 40 years ago. Like about phones and the braking distance between cars changing to time vs car lengths,
The braking distance was what I learned in my high school driver's ed class in 1952. IIRC it was one car-length for each 10 mph on the speedometer. I have found that Arizona drivers behind me don't pay any attention to that rule, or that they have not been taught the rule, resulting in their driving far too close behind me---unless I''m driving my '38 Chevy coupe with a Corvette LS6 fuel-injected engine that has far more than enough horsepower to allow me to put some room between us...
My grandma drove a stick shift at 95 years old. In her words… ‘screw the DMV’.
I like her style!!!
What about the idiot drivers 70 and under? There's alot more younger people causing wrecks these days! No need for age discrimination!
ok boomer
I'm a young driver and I'm not driving recklessly
I'm a young driver and I drive safely
Sick of old people wanting all these extra protection... someone can sue for age discrimination then they are older but if a elderly boss discriminates employees on their 20s they cant sue ...they are fine with that but when its extra rules thats tk far. 😂
I am a senior and agree senior driving evaluation is justified as situational awareness changes with age. Younger drivers need to be reevaluated for those with bad driving behavior. Added penalties for underage driving, say no license until 18 or 21 instead of everyone else at 16. Tougher penalties for those participating in "sideshows" no matter the age. Longer revocations for DUI.
As long as DMV has an additional "special requirement" for seniors, how about a "special access" counter for seniors on which transactions are conducted swiftly to avoid the long line and waiting period. After all, we are "special cases" in their eyes. Right?
Yeah.....don't the Discrimination (DEI) laws over-rule "special requirement" laws?
In about 2001, I had a retina detachment, and the repair destroyed much of the vision in one eye. My 2005 renewal was a send-us-the-money one. In 2010 (age 65), they required me to take a behind-the-wheel test. The examiner said that it was a boring event. My comment was that it was supposed to be. In 2020, I renewed just before the shutdown and took the computer exam. My next renewal is in 2025 at age 80. I keep myself in shape by running 5 to 6 km every morning at about 10 minutes per kilometer. I placed second in my age group at the 2022 1000 steps of Bisbee, Arizona.
Stay in shape. I'm 86 and anticipate NO problems in five more years when I have to renew my license. I am more concerned about being hit by uninsured or under-insured drivers (my State Farm policy doesn't offer coverage). We plan to visit Tombstone sometime this month, and will probably travel through Bisbee in our motor home. We want to leave before it gets too hot, and April should ensure some nice weather. We moved from California five years ago, and enjoy Prescott a lot. Taking a classic car to the Route 66 event in early May.
Freaking more rules, more laws, more control FOR EVERYONE but the Politicians!
This law in particular applies to politicians as well.
Im young however i dare the California law to look at the ages that cause accidents and its typically young drunk drivers. The best drivers i know are old or as they called it “senior”
I prefer the adjective "old." "Elderly" or "Senior" are like referring to someone who has died as "passed." I have no problem being called "old," nor with calling myself "old." The other adjectives are merely an attempt to gloss over the truth.
In my area, it seems to be the younger generation that seems to cause the most problems. Excessive speed, red light running, won’t get off of their cell phones while driving, following too close, street racing, dui, etc. They don’t have the maturity and experience that many older drivers have.
I think 70's is the new 60's. So if the DMV pushes the age threshold to 75, I'm all for it. At 75 or older, taking a written test and a vision test is a reasonable requirement.
As one who is 72 years old and thankfully no longer lives in California, I realize that my reflexes are no longer what they used to be. That is why I am careful and drive just slightly over the limit. The ones who seem to cause most of the accidents are either drunk, high or under 30 years old. They are the ones tailgating, swapping lanes constantly and driving 15-30 miles over the limit.
My bad experiences are with those who tail-gate. All have been adults---mainly older women, although many have been older men. On our long two-lane highway i have to use when going to town, there is no way to shake off tail-gaters, even if I try to increase my speed to over 10-miles over the limit. They always manage to stay right on my rear bumper. I refuse to get into an argument with them, knowing that I might be risking my life if they were to pull out a firearm in retaliation. I have a permit to carry, but I usually travel without any defensive weapon. I am a life member of the NRA and am well-versed in self-defense with a firearm.
No senior discrimination please, the system in place already that works on points take care of issues!
100% I agree with special testing requirements for over 70. They should absolutely require a driving test for 75 and over. I'm 74 and live on the coast of Oregon and there are incompetent older drivers who are no longer sharp enough to drive. A mix of prescription drugs are probably a factor.
My dad at 80 got his CA license renewal and got his motorcycle license at the same time. Didn’t even study.
I took full Driver's Ed in high school. My daughter went to a driving school. Both courses stressed DRIVING DEFENSIVELY and I think most seniors do drive defensively though there are some that should definitely not be behind the wheel. What I see driving around is, it's every man for themselves and get out of my way folks, including those with commercial licenses. It's a free-for-all out there and a lot of "seniors" are going to take the hit for it.
Well said!
Driving defensively to me includes leaving lots of space between my car and the traffic in front of me. If there is an accident too close to my front bumper that tosses junk onto the highway, if I am too close to it, I may not have time to swerve or stop in order to avoid hitting the objects. i also keep an eye on cars at side streets who are waiting to enter freeways. I don't trust ANY drivers, even though they might be stopped.
How about we also require being able to read english and have U.S citizenship to have a driver's' license? State Farm told me my rates went up because of all the claims involving unlicensed or insured drivers in Ca.
My Arizona State Farm policy refuses to cover under or uninsured motorists. If one of them wrecks my car,
I am forced to pay for the repairs. I'm think of moving to another insurer, but haven't decided which one to
consider. Any suggestions will be welcomed. Other than one speeding ticket and a few parking tickets, I have a clean record.
Why is it only okay to discriminate against some invariable characteristics, but not others?
This is just one more tool for a family member to make a referral to the DMV against their senior relative for not paying off a credit card debt that isn’t the senior’s responsibility.
I’m 70 and can still drive fine. My sister is 75 and “didn’t know her license expired” until 6 months after the fact. She can be very loopy. Should she drive? Not in my opinion. It hurts nothing to give them a test. That is just purely safety.
My father lost his license due to a medical condition. Mom had a license, but rarely drove. She was required to take the senior road test because rarely driving. The tester gave her an easy parallel park, but mom reminded the tester the car would not clear the fire hydrant safe space and opted for another location. She could do curbside parallel parking much better than most drivers.
Thank you. As a young driver, safety is #1. Cant believe all these snobby old people in this comment section taking their anger out on us.
@@itsjammbi Some young people are great attentive drivers. You just get lumped in with the young MEN that like to be macho through their car. They usually change once they put their first baby in the car.
@@sueteran or the young WOMEN doing their fake-up and pubic eyelashes WHILE DRIVING. They usually change once they get into their first accident.
@@nomenclature9373Tell your mom not to worry. I've been driving for 70 years and am still not comfortable with parallel parking. I do it only when necessary, rather preferring large parking lots, such as the ones at Walmart or Costco.
It's about time! And hold the same standards for politicians and our WORTHLESS PRESIDENT
If only they did this for people over the age of 17 who get convicted for DUI
Does DUI include non-alcoholic drug intoxication? And....why not include drivers younger than 17? In California, I took my exam at 16, but that was in 1953 in a Model A Ford roadster. The DMV agent loved the car, and I passed with no problem, other than I was corrected for not giving a hand signal when pulling out
of a parking spot. To this day, I make sure that I signal before leaving curbside parking spots. Speeding was not a problem because the car wouldn't go over 45-50 mph on a flat surface.
Something has to bloat the DMV. Might as well go after good drivers who just happen to old, and experienced drivers, never mind the young reckless road warriors.
Before I retired from the Post Office in 2010, I had a 96-year-old lady on my route who renewed her driver's license through the mail. Didn't have to go to the DMV. She told me about it while she was working in her yard, when I came by with the mail.
I personally know of three people whose vision should prevent them from driving. One lost an eye and can barely see out the other, one has mascular degeneration and the last one can barely see out of her coke bottle glasses... NONE OF THESE CASES HAVE TO DO WITH AGE AS MUCH AS HEREDITARY BAD VISION, DISEASE AND INJURY, although none are spring chickens either!!!
Seems that the condition would prevent the issuance of a DL. Don't they still give vision tests at the DMV?
It isn’t a problem for 60-70 years old but some people they are younger than 40 years old but still driving dangerous why not catch and force to take written and driving again because they are caused most of accidents!
Exactly
This isnt about recklessness. its about cognitive and motor decline which is UNDENIABLE at that age. Stop taking your anger out on us young folks
@@itsjammbi "Undeniable?" Got any evidence, or do you just like to grab such a statement out of thin air? I could use the same limp ploy by saying it is "undeniable" that all "young folks" take drugs and drive while drunk. I know such a statement is rubbish, but there are some who would believe it merely because I uttered it.
@@leecox1513 im on saying on average dude, im a medical student so im aware that this is normal in those ages. You dont see young people getting dementia now do ya
My niece is bi-polar, having fits of road rage. She crashes Into people on the freeway, because they looked at her. DMV has never called her in for re-evaluation. She's nowhere near 70, but will seriously hurt someone. DMV targets and bullies seniors.
I have not found that DMV targets and/or bullies seniors unless those seniors are acting out with gross stupidity or will just not cooperate within the DMV rules and regulations. Taking your niece off the road and refusing to hand her a license might just save her life some day, plus save the lives of other drivers. DMV
should be notified by you about her mental instability. You should also ask your physician to inform the DMV that your niece is a threat when behind the steering wheel and that DMV should NOT re-issue her license.
I had to contact my father's physician after my dad had a low-speed non-fatal accident. My dad had been suffering from dementia, and was definitely unfit to be on the road in the car I had given him several years prior. DMV revoked his license and I impounded the car.
My mom got an automatic renewal at 94 yo and drove until she was 98
Mario Andretti is 84.....and can probably still turn 250+MPH laps at Indy or Riverside.......
Yes, and he is well-trained in the racing sport. Also, the cars are going in the same direction. It has little to do with driving on the street.
I'm sure glad I left Kaliforniastan, over three years ago! I was so tied of the BS, and it just keeps getting deeper!
My wife and I left five years ago, and I was born and raised there. CA has become an insane asylum.
The cut off to be President should be 70.
Safe driving and mental test should be given to the young. They are more aggressive and some not fit to drive. Look who’s doing sideshows. Look who’s not following road etiquettes and rules. Young or seniors? Just an example.
Such tests should apply to all drivers, regardless of age.
@@leecox1513 I agree
It's the young drivers that should meet the special criteria
What about the young drivers not yet experienced!
I am 69 and live in a retirement community with a high percentage of seniors. Every day I see poor driving by seniors. Everything from stopping 5-6 car lengths behind other cars at a stoplight ( poor spatial judgement) to entering intersections and stopping for no reason ( possible confusion) and my personal favorite-stepping on the gas and launching themselves into fences and buildings which has happened several times in the last 3 years. I think a practical driving test is a great idea!
Uhhhhh, equal treatment clause?!!!
ALL LAWS NEED APPLY TO ALL LEGAL CITIZENS EQUALLY.
Michigan, 71 yrs old, I'd quit driving but there's no alternative. No busses. Taxis cost $50 around trip to grocery store. There's no uber or anything else in my rural area. I took the Sr. Citizen Driving Class, which helped a little.
Are you saying people can tell the DMV who they think shouldn't drive anonymously and the older driver's license can be taken away? How about start reporting anonymously to the DMV on younger drivers who too should have their drivers license taken away because they're considered poor unsafe drivers.
So the twenty something doing 100 on I 680 is safer?.......let's start enforcing laws, not just pick on older drivers
What a ducking nightmare. And it’s the CA DMV, which raises it to a power.
While generally true about older drivers, 16-21 y.o. scare the crap out of me, and, many, many 22-69 y.o. drive like crap and/or are just too aggressive and inconsiderate. And they tailgate too!!! I hate that.
Wow......another who shares my extreme concern about tailgaters. I never thought my concerns about
drivers behind me would surpass those of drivers to the front, but that's the case around Prescott, Arizona.
Just the first step in forcing everyone to rely on public transportation.
The sad part is the horrible public transportation system that forces people to drive. No city planning whatsoever.
Get a horse!
We need more infrastructure to give people more options other than a car
Ideally it sounds great. But right now everything is already in place. Businesses are stay where they're at. It would work best in a urban area. San Francisco could probably take advantage of this since many of their stores in the Union Square area have closed. It would be a chance to build a model walk able city in the US. Although a lot of SF is walk able already.
Yes....for instance, an infrastructure such as the "Train to Nowhere" in California that has cost millions of dollars, but has been a drag on the CA economy because of low ridership? Not a problem for the CA politicians because they merely raise taxes for the law-abiding citizens. Such liberal politicians have no problem spend money, as long as it isn't theirs.
You mean like the "train to nowhere" in California that cost millions of dollars, but suffers from a lack of riders? Dumb ideas such as this are exactly why taxes are so high.
This is absolutely necessary and should be applied to leaders in office as well.
Is this not age discrimination!
Nope. older people are at risk of cognitive and motor decline and as a young person, safety is #1. This is a great test idea.
No. It is accepting reality.
So....a little age discrimination, huh??
I've had to do the same rigamarole several times over the last 35 years even though ive never had an accident or any tickets , except not feeding a parking meter on time.
That DMV test is pretty hard since its a wide range of potential topics. I barely pass when i moved into CA after even driving 25 years with 0 tickets or accidents.
I'm 78 and I just had to get a new license and I'm in favor of screening. I breezed through the written part because I studied, and I did OK with the vision portion, which I was concerned about. I've seen a lot of bad drivers in the 55+ "active" community I live in. I'm aware that I'm not as sharp as I once was, my vision isn't as sharp, my reactions aren't as sharp. I don't plan to be one of those old people that they have to steal the car keys from, and I'm well aware that I'm winding down and I'm exploring other options for that eventuality in a few years.
You mean that you will consider taking horse-riding lessons? :)
Do not issue licenses to foreigners, migrants or new arrivals.
This is total BS … I’ve been driving since I was 13 years old (started on a family ranch), got my permits at 15 (after completing drivers Ed which was classroom AND actual on the streets training), got my license at 16 and blessed / taught by my father how to pull a trailer (utility and travel trailer). In over 50 years of driving I’ve had 3 speeding tickets (1 for driving 20 in an unposted 15 zone). Not a single accident that was my fault … 2 accidents that were “hit & run” by cowards. I had to renew my license this past year to have my eyesight tested and had to pay an additional $60 because I had just turned 66. Just another way for government to collect money from average law abiding citizens!!! 🤬🤬🤬😊
Can they report reckless younger drivers . ?
This test is for cognitive and motor decline specifically for a reason and at that age, it is undeniable.
@@itsjammbi Of the deaths that young people die from. 33 percent of the deaths of young people is due to vehicle accidents. That's a really high number.
@@Rhaspun And they're not dying due to visual, cognitive, and motor decline. Young drivers may have issues, but not the same ones 70+ people do
@@spiritofchaos58 It's different issues. But the raw numbers is that when drivers get over 65 their accident death rate per mile goes up slightly above the average compared to 25-64 year old. But it still a lot lower per mile compared to 16-24 year old drivers. You'll hear the news about much older drivers than you will about accidents from say a 22 year old. That's not news the media wants to push.