Wow! I've been looking everywhere for this explanation and distinction between Xeno drivers and Posidrivers (also the Milwaukee ECX and Klein Combination). You are the first person to explain this clearly and with great examples. Have been trying to purchase the Wiha's but was going to risk not getting the right one for electrical work here in the U.S. Thank you so much!
You learn something every day. I worked as an electrician almost 30 years ago, and these screw slots existed even then, but it wasn't until today I became aware of ECX and SL/PZ tools. Even if I don't work as an electrician professionally anymore, I've already ordered these tools.
I gotta say, really like the slim blade screwdrivers now, as you got me turned onto them, and do make a difference. Have both these and work great👍🏻. Always use Xeno, or combo bits (if Klein etc....) when working on receptacles, as the bits help with “torque”
I have to get that screwdriver right now. That insulated Combination Phillips/Slotted one. I have been meaning to look into getting an insulated screwdriver for electrical work (DIY) , but now with that extra option for the type of screws that it handles with improved torque when using it on receptacles and switches, It is a must have for me. I just recently ordered a Klein 14 in 1 precision screwdriver, and a Klein adjustable stubby 8 in 1 Screwdriver based on your videos. I'm also considering ordering a Fluke 1AC voltage detector.
I firmly believe that the ECX profile is based on the PH (Philips) profile and not the PZ (Pozidrive) that we mostly use here in Europe. The Xeno (SL/PZ) is based on PZ.
@@rhkavli SL/PH1 based on PH1, SL/PH2 based on PH2, SL/PZ1 based on PZ1, SL/PZ2 based on PZ2 yes or no?. i have Wiha SL/PH2 use for PH2 screw terminal but is not fit😥
@@nattaponnilprapai5437 First, yes, they are sized similarily, second no, you can´t drive a regular PH or PZ screws with these, but you can drive this type (SL/PZ) of a screw with a regular PZ head. Hope that helps.
Zeno or pozidrive are not for US receptacles or breakers. ECX1 and Square1 for devices. Ecx2 and square2 for breakers. If you put zeno1 in a device terminal, it will have play. Only square1,ecx1 and slotted fit perfectly
I thought I was all slick with my ph xenodriver and I pulled it out for a combo screw the other day and then....I saw the telltale pozidriv markings. I retrieved a pozi driver, but my inner Socrates began to narrowly focus on this Catch 22: Xeno-Phillips in a Pozi/Slot screw vs Pozidriv in a Pozi/Slot screw?
a lot of pozidriv fasteners arent indicated as such, if you get light fixtures from wish or even some industrial stuff. the best way to tell if a fastener is pozidriv is if its camming out and ruining one of the screws for no reason apparently, then you see if the pozidriv solves your problem
I like using a Robertson (square) drive with device terminal screws. It's definitely better than Phillips, but not quite as good as a straight-slot for really torquing the screws. For power drivers, it wins hands down.
Hey Bill. Video idea. How about one that discusses a new AC condensor which has a lower max amp rating then the previous one. So the larger wire and breaker size won't match the new condenser needs. and how to fuse down in the disconnect outside and not downsize the breaker inside. Could make an interesting video.
Would be really interesting, especially if the difference in the fuse rating is not so big. Then you'll get a problem with the selectivity, the circuit breaker which is next to the fault location should trip first, not the one that is installed before. Here in Germany there must be at least two ratings between the ratings of the circuit breakers. For example you got a 25A breaker installed in the panel, than you can't just install a 20A one. That rating must be skipped, so a 16A would be the choice. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/Selektivit%C3%A4t.jpg Otherwise replace the circuit breaker in the panel. And the last thing: A circuit breaker or a fuse is to protect the cables, not the devices connected to it. And when the old one draw 15A, and the new one only 10A I wouldn't bother installing a new circuit breaker.
SL/PH1 based on PH1, SL/PH2 based on PH2, SL/PZ1 based on PZ1, SL/PZ2 based on PZ2 yes or no?. i have Wiha SL/PH2 use for PH2 screw terminal but is not fit😥
Every IKEA "phillips" is a posidrive. Not electrical related but after doing many IKEA kitchens there is diff. Phillips just dont grab properly in a posi lol
Although also from the US based Phillips Screw Company, Pozidriv took off in the UK and Europe some time ago, but never made a dent in NA. As Mike pointed out, Ikea is about 99.99999% of it’s exposure over here.
1:35 The dot on the screw indicates the two line screws are JIS drive, themselves similar to but different from Phillips and Pozidriv. With the combo screw head and poor screw quality, I doubt it makes any difference.
@@wim0104 Klein makes a phillips 1 and 2 combo just like these Wihas. Confusion may be that they sell their robbies as “square recess for combo screws” even though they are just plain ol’ Robertson drivers (bit pressed into shaft and all). If the combo screw has a spot for a both a #2 Phillips and a Red robbie, often it’s better to use the regular #2 robbie over a ph2 or a Xenodrive because of fitment issues with the square portion being much larger. As far as I’m aware, xeno was actually a trade name for a type of ph/slot combo screw and thus why some companies use that designation.
Sometimes it´s called Plus/Minus because it has cross and slot shapes combined. Aka Terminal screw driver, as these screws are mostly found in electrical terminals in breakers, rcd:s and various sockets and switches, if they have screw terminals. I´ve also seen a combination Robertson/slot. Xeno is probably a Wiha marketing term, as no other brand seems to use it.
@@SparkyChannel Best Hex Keys on the market. Screwdrivers are a class above the German stuff, but the handles are too tiny. Expensive in the US and down to two sales channels now. Love their bits for non impact use. The PB Swiss bits with my drill/drivers and my ratcheting screwdrivers will never need to be replaced. That said, Felo, Wiha, and Wera do the same job.
@@MrRubenrivera9649 Long ago on an AM radio I would hear WOWO radio station coming from Fort Wayne IN. can't believe I can remember that! Does it still exist?
Questi sono i migliori cacciaviti che esistono in commercio le punte del cacciavite a croce non si consuma mai non fate segni sullo stelo del cacciavite per numerarli perché li si romperanno altrimenti rimangono intatti per anni ed anni
Wow! I've been looking everywhere for this explanation and distinction between Xeno drivers and Posidrivers (also the Milwaukee ECX and Klein Combination). You are the first person to explain this clearly and with great examples. Have been trying to purchase the Wiha's but was going to risk not getting the right one for electrical work here in the U.S. Thank you so much!
Yes, I made this video because of the confusion between the two. My pleasure, thanks!
Bill; you're the only dude I've ever seen who breaks things down so clearly and concisely.
Thanks so much. Happy New Year!
You learn something every day. I worked as an electrician almost 30 years ago, and these screw slots existed even then, but it wasn't until today I became aware of ECX and SL/PZ tools. Even if I don't work as an electrician professionally anymore, I've already ordered these tools.
They're beauties!
I gotta say, really like the slim blade screwdrivers now, as you got me turned onto them, and do make a difference. Have both these and work great👍🏻. Always use Xeno, or combo bits (if Klein etc....) when working on receptacles, as the bits help with “torque”
Right on, I agree! Happy New Year!
I have to get that screwdriver right now.
That insulated Combination Phillips/Slotted one.
I have been meaning to look into getting an insulated screwdriver for electrical work (DIY) , but now with that extra option for the type of screws that it handles with improved torque when using it on receptacles and switches, It is a must have for me.
I just recently ordered a Klein 14 in 1 precision screwdriver, and a Klein adjustable stubby 8 in 1 Screwdriver based on your videos. I'm also considering ordering a Fluke 1AC voltage detector.
I never even knew there was a such thing as a slotted plus Phillips screwdriver combined into one.
Oh my goodness.
They say any day you learn something new is a good day! :)
Good job explaining the difference. Thanks Sparky.
Thanks Gary!
Hey Bill. Thanks for the videos. I’m curious though, why do you carry the xeno drive and the Milwaukee ecx? Aren’t they the same thing??
They are basically the same thing. The Wiha will last about 3 times longer though.
Thank you good sir
I firmly believe that the ECX profile is based on the PH (Philips) profile and not the PZ (Pozidrive) that we mostly use here in Europe. The Xeno (SL/PZ) is based on PZ.
@@rhkavli SL/PH1 based on PH1, SL/PH2 based on PH2, SL/PZ1 based on PZ1, SL/PZ2 based on PZ2 yes or no?. i have Wiha SL/PH2 use for PH2 screw terminal but is not fit😥
@@nattaponnilprapai5437
First, yes, they are sized similarily, second no, you can´t drive a regular PH or PZ screws with these, but you can drive this type (SL/PZ) of a screw with a regular PZ head. Hope that helps.
Zeno or pozidrive are not for US receptacles or breakers. ECX1 and Square1 for devices. Ecx2 and square2 for breakers. If you put zeno1 in a device terminal, it will have play. Only square1,ecx1 and slotted fit perfectly
This!!! ECX is square+slotted. Zeno is Phillips+slotted. They are not the same and I've had Xeno cam out much earlier than ECX for breakers.
Sparky channel is posting videos every day that’s awesome
Except Christmas! 😊 I think I posted a video 43 out of 44 days. I'll have to take a break coming up though. Thanks for noticing!
@@SparkyChannel
Sir You deserve it. I have to say I became a huge fan of Klein tools thanks to you. Cheer and happy holidays
I thought I was all slick with my ph xenodriver and I pulled it out for a combo screw the other day and then....I saw the telltale pozidriv markings. I retrieved a pozi driver, but my inner Socrates began to narrowly focus on this Catch 22: Xeno-Phillips in a Pozi/Slot screw vs Pozidriv in a Pozi/Slot screw?
Hi Robert! Yes, you have to use the correct driver.
I want that xeno driver but I still love robertson screws.
I have both in the Wiha VDE. My go-to drivers.
a lot of pozidriv fasteners arent indicated as such, if you get light fixtures from wish or even some industrial stuff. the best way to tell if a fastener is pozidriv is if its camming out and ruining one of the screws for no reason apparently, then you see if the pozidriv solves your problem
I like using a Robertson (square) drive with device terminal screws. It's definitely better than Phillips, but not quite as good as a straight-slot for really torquing the screws. For power drivers, it wins hands down.
Hey Bill. Video idea. How about one that discusses a new AC condensor which has a lower max amp rating then the previous one. So the larger wire and breaker size won't match the new condenser needs. and how to fuse down in the disconnect outside and not downsize the breaker inside. Could make an interesting video.
Would be really interesting, especially if the difference in the fuse rating is not so big. Then you'll get a problem with the selectivity, the circuit breaker which is next to the fault location should trip first, not the one that is installed before. Here in Germany there must be at least two ratings between the ratings of the circuit breakers. For example you got a 25A breaker installed in the panel, than you can't just install a 20A one. That rating must be skipped, so a 16A would be the choice.
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/Selektivit%C3%A4t.jpg
Otherwise replace the circuit breaker in the panel. And the last thing: A circuit breaker or a fuse is to protect the cables, not the devices connected to it. And when the old one draw 15A, and the new one only 10A I wouldn't bother installing a new circuit breaker.
Xeno works the same than the combo driver?
Thanks, I'm getting a Xeno now. Great channel.
Great driver, you'll see. Thanks!
@@SparkyChannel BizLine call theirs a 'Comb' Driver, I got an no 1 and no 2 now.
Awesome video Bill!!! Never even heard of the Pozidrive😊
Thanks Ted! They say any day you learn something is a good day! 😊
@@SparkyChannel very true!!!
xeno is a must have. no idea how any electriction does work without one.
I agree. I love mine. And the steel tips stay sharp a long time.
You can live with a square head bit (Robertson), as well. A Square head 0 fits nicely in an SL/PZ1.
SL/PH1 based on PH1, SL/PH2 based on PH2, SL/PZ1 based on PZ1, SL/PZ2 based on PZ2 yes or no?. i have Wiha SL/PH2 use for PH2 screw terminal but is not fit😥
Every IKEA "phillips" is a posidrive. Not electrical related but after doing many IKEA kitchens there is diff. Phillips just dont grab properly in a posi lol
Interesting, thanks!
Although also from the US based Phillips Screw Company, Pozidriv took off in the UK and Europe some time ago, but never made a dent in NA. As Mike pointed out, Ikea is about 99.99999% of it’s exposure over here.
Also most if not all ski binding mounting screws are Posidrive
Any idea what size pozi?
@@thomasbrown9402 # 2 i believe. www.amazon.com/Picquic-95007-Pozidriv-set/dp/B00AFVYCGC
There's also the wera plusminus bit... have fun, Bill! ;-)
and Klein and Milwaukee do square+slotted, not phillips??
Wonder if these tools would work well with JIS screws?
No, the taper is wrong. You need a JIS driver for JIS screws.
1:35 The dot on the screw indicates the two line screws are JIS drive, themselves similar to but different from Phillips and Pozidriv. With the combo screw head and poor screw quality, I doubt it makes any difference.
other brands have different names for the sl/ph head. I use a Milwaukee bit on the Ideal ratcheting screwdriver.
Actually the Milwaukee ECX is a square(Robertson)/slotted combination.
Yes, Klein calls it the combination head and Milwaukee calls it the ECX.
@@HoosierRallyMaster ah yes! it does work best on breakers. and that's why I end up using the #1 ECX on receptacles... oops!
@@SparkyChannel It seems the Klein combo head is also a square+slotted. Is there a US phillips+slotted?? seems like a EU vs US thing?
@@wim0104 Klein makes a phillips 1 and 2 combo just like these Wihas. Confusion may be that they sell their robbies as “square recess for combo screws” even though they are just plain ol’ Robertson drivers (bit pressed into shaft and all). If the combo screw has a spot for a both a #2 Phillips and a Red robbie, often it’s better to use the regular #2 robbie over a ph2 or a Xenodrive because of fitment issues with the square portion being much larger. As far as I’m aware, xeno was actually a trade name for a type of ph/slot combo screw and thus why some companies use that designation.
Is xeno just the name wiha uses, or is there a generic name for this type of screw?
Sometimes it´s called Plus/Minus because it has cross and slot shapes combined. Aka Terminal screw driver, as these screws are mostly found in electrical terminals in breakers, rcd:s and various sockets and switches, if they have screw terminals. I´ve also seen a combination Robertson/slot. Xeno is probably a Wiha marketing term, as no other brand seems to use it.
I was never happy with the Xenodriver it never fit well and it made more damage with slipping than other drivers.
Exactly! This has been my experience as well. Technically the Xeno fits in an ECX head, but they are not the same.
Ford Motor Company and Hewlett Packard instruments use pozidriv hardware.
Interesting, thanks!
#1 good for low voltage though
Correct!
Like 👍 all your videos
Thanks so much Charles!
Did we can found wiha plus minus inside home depot
Have you ever tried Screwdriver from PB Swisstool or have you ever heard about that Company?
I'm not familiar with them.
@@SparkyChannel Best Hex Keys on the market. Screwdrivers are a class above the German stuff, but the handles are too tiny. Expensive in the US and down to two sales channels now. Love their bits for non impact use. The PB Swiss bits with my drill/drivers and my ratcheting screwdrivers will never need to be replaced. That said, Felo, Wiha, and Wera do the same job.
Thanks
Welcome!
wiha good tools sir happy holidays fort wayner wera and knipex as well
Thanks, Happy New Year Ruben! Much love to Fort Wayne, Indiana! 😊
@@SparkyChannel I live in east chicago an 1hr and a half away but still in Indiana
@@MrRubenrivera9649 Long ago on an AM radio I would hear WOWO radio station coming from Fort Wayne IN. can't believe I can remember that! Does it still exist?
@@ghibliinu6616 wow cool
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Kick ass
Thanks Dave!
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