Revealing The Truth About Auto Start Stop: 3 Myths Busted!
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So does Auto Start Stop Technology ruin your engine? Cause more engine wear? Cause premature starter or battery failure? The correct answer is NO IT Doesn't. It actually increases fuel mileage too.
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The start stop feature reduces fuel dilution at idle. Fuel dilution reduces viscosity. Reducing viscosity increases wear. Its been proven by skeptics with oil sampling. Im fine trading internal wear items for external wear.
Finally someone gets it! I actually did a video on this too. It's the 7,258 mile oil change.
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No, neither of you have any clue how modern engines work or how failures effect anything. Fuel dilution is NOT caused by idling, That's been proven false already. Fuel from injectors dumping too much fuel or "Rich" condition causes oil dilution. Misfires cause fuel dilution. Stop/Start Does ruin engines, people with degrees have proven on dynos and oil analysis.
Whether it’s harder on your car or not. Or whether it saves you MPG or not. At least we can all agree that auto stop/start is stupid and annoying.
We can all agree on that yes.
It is ridiculous that the OEM 's don't allow for this to be permanently turned off if drivers don't want to use it. I have to push a stupid button every time I start my car in order to disable it.
Yes, agree completely. It is very annoying
@@MrFalcmanwould be even better is you could set a time of when it kicks in, 15 seconds, 20 seconds, etc. And of course with completely off.
I bypassed mine 5 years ago and haven’t looked back 😂
I don't like it. It doesn't make sense. It has resulted in some negative effects. The logic of physics tells you that.
Used oil analysis says otherwise.
@@BeardedFordTech I mean on the starter mostly. I live in a city. On my way to work, I have to stop at twenty traffic lights and ten stop signs. The stop-start system would have to be fifty times better than a regular starter. No thanks.
@romanc.5074 it shouldn't stop at every light or stop sign. There is a counter for how many times it does it in a certain amount of time. I get why people think it wears out the starter. But they also aren't thinking on how the system works or know how it works. I see both sides. And if people don't want it or want to use it that's cool their choice. I'm not trying to say you have to use it. But more engine wear occurs at idle. From fuel dilution. It was also made for cities with no idle laws. I'm okay with it either way.
I forgot to mention what happens to turbo charged engines. The turbo rely on a constant flow of oil to cooled the bearing.If you’ve been driving hard it is alway advisable to let the engine run so the oil can absorb the heat from the bearing. If you don’t do this, the oil in the bearing will solidify (coke the bearing). Constantly stop starting can destroy you turbos.
Ohhhhh have a great day. Literally did a video on this to. Letting a turbo cool. Thanks though
HOW ABOUT THE GASOLINE IN THE COMBUCTION CHAMBER WHEN ENGINE STOP THAT GASOLINE REMAINS THERE AMD AFTER START MORE GASOLINE ??????!!?
Nope. Just like shutting your car off when you get home. It kills the Injectors. On restart it won't spray until it knows which cylinder is about to fire from the crank and cam position this all happens in milliseconds. If fuel is in there it gets pushed out. Kind of like clear flood mode (pushing the throttle to the floor and cranking. Disables the injectors and clears the cylinder) very good question though
So stop start saves fuel because it’s not ticking over in a jam or at the traffic lights etc = oh and I thought as the engine was not working you would use more fuel == ummmmmm got to laugh us English are so silly
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I won't own a vehicle with that annoying start/stop.
That's good to know. Good for you. 👌 good luck getting one without it in the future. Thanks for watching.
So bottom line, yes it's harder on the engine but the engine is built to take it. So, if it's disabled, the engine will even last LONGER because it's not being beaten upon. I have to admit, I'm going to use Forscan to disable it simply because I don't like being told what to do by enviro-whackos.
Not harder on the engine. Maybe a tad bit on the starter and battery. But they are built tonwithstand it. It's like starting your car in the morning. Or running g around doing errands starting it everytime you get it it to go to another place. Stop and go traffic with a vehicle constantly running is bad for an engine. I don't know if forscsn will let you. I haven't tried it with that. I think it will cause you can change buzzer sounds and different things like that.
Yeah. An engine going from off to take off rpms is obviously not good for it. Don’t need a tech to say anything about it.
@johnmadsen37 you obviously have no idea how it works. It doesn't go from off to take off rpms. There is a delay. What about people that start their car first thing in the morning and put it in drive and take off? That went from off on a cold engine to take off rpms real quick. Or does that not apply cause it's not auto start stop? Do your homework please. Maybe you do need a tech to tell you a thing or two. Have a good day
@@johnmadsen37Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's bad. Listen to the man with a ton of training and experience.
@darkrulier how much fuel does it save?
Nice explanation, but its my #1 most hated feature ever put on a vehicle.
All good. Don't have to like it. Some do some don't. I actually do like it. Instead of idling washing out the cylinders with fuel and diluting the oil even more. I don't always use it though.
@@BeardedFordTech Diluting the oil by idling at a red light is a problem all of a sudden in 2023-2024, huh? At work we have a 2013 fleet vehicle with the Ford 2.0L Ecoboost, over 200k miles and probably another 200k of idling on it and it's still on the original engine / turbo with regular oil changes. All that oil dilution narrative is just corporate apologism for a "feature" that 95% of owners seem to HATE, whereas in reality it's only there to meet the CAFE standards for FoMoCo. At least give us the option of turning the damn thing off permanently, without aftermarket gizmos!
@SevenSixTwo2012 oil diluting from fuel has been around for a very long time. My oil analysis video literally shows you. It is a real thing. Not just 2023-2024. Pull the dipstick on your fleet vehicle. Bet it smells like gas. Get it tested. Bet it has fuel dilution. It's the number one killer of oil. Inrun a fleet of 180 vehicles gas and diesel. I'm not saying people have to use it. And I literally just said if you have a ford email me. You don't have to buy a gizmo to permanent turn it off. Instead of arguing listen. YOU DONT NEED A GIZMO TO PERMANTLY DISABLE IT. Yet everyone thinks you do. And that. I find funny. If people want to waste their money with gizmos to turn it off. By all means go ahead. But it's literally not necessary.
@@BeardedFordTechI need a gizmo to turn it off in my 2017 vehicle. But the plus side it was only $17.
I won’t buy a car with auto stop that can’t disabled. In minnesota we warm our cars up.
You can disable them if you know how. Want to know the quickest way to warm your car up. Start it let it come off high idle and drive. Not hard but just drive. The temp will come up quicker. If you just idle. It take 15-17 min to come up to temp. If you come off high idle and drive. It takes about 6 min. Ford boss me did a video on this.
For me the bigger question is "what is the real value of using these systems?" Manufacturers will tell you fuel economy which, as you described, is marginally true but that's not why they're in the vehicles. Manufacturers don't really care about your fuel savings but they do care about EPA ratings. Including these systems helps them in this area, which is likely why they are including them. Also, and more importantly, peoples driving habits are by far more responsible for poor fuel economy than any other single factor.
My car allows me to disable this function at every start and I always do. I appreciate your perspective but, logically, parts that cycle more will require replacement sooner. I can buy more gas but would rather not buy engine components.
Yes the parts will fail at some point. But it's not any sooner. And the real value. Well for me no real value. I can turn mine off with a button too. I don't always use mine either. The only thing I can think of is those cities that are in those states that have nonidle laws
If the car manufacturers REALLY wanted to save fuel, they would limit the vehicles to posted speed limits. Almost everyone where I live drives 30 or 40 over the limit on the highway, and it's the large SUV and pick up drivers that are the worst. 50mph to 70 mph equals approx. 15% higher fuel consumption.
You hit the nail on the head when you stated driving habits dictate a lot towards fuel mileage. I've always got quite a bit better mileage than what is rated on every vehicle I have owned. Most people always drive like they are in a race with all the other drivers. Another thing I have noticed is the younger generation doesn't leave early enough to allow for unexpected delays. They leave the house at the very last minute and drive like a bat out of hell to make it on time to work or school.
Another scenario that is actually happened to me in real life, what if I’m sitting at a red light when I notice a distracted or drunk driver barreling down on me? Because my truck didn’t have a stoopid Stop System, I was able to move out of the way with only a split second of time to spare. If I had been waiting for my engine to crank, I would’ve been rear ended it at 50 mph.
@davemccage7918 why is everyone saying It takes forever for it to start? All the ford's I've been in start quickly.and your gone. Dodge and Chevrolet. Theirs is very slow to respond.
The starter can handle 3 times more starts than a vehicle without auto start/stop. The problem is that if you are a city driver, it will have to start 100x more. So yeah it totally wears your starter out faster.
Incorrect. It doesn't always shut off when stopped in city traffic. There's a counter that gets reset after so many stop starts. Engineers have thought about all this. Especially cities where no idling is allowed. I've talked with engineers. I've worked at dealerships. Some manufacturers design is better than others. I haven't changed a single starter on a stop start system. Except on a Chevrolet in used car once. But honda Subaru and Hyundai have the worst system with lots of flaws. Ford Chevy and dodge have pretty good ones. The one thing that is worse than any auto start system. Is active fuel management. Of displacement on demand. Now those are bad for engines. I always deactivate them.
@@BeardedFordTech I just bought a 2023 F150 on July 30. I can tell you on my 20 min drive to work down main street, if I leave auto start/stop on, it shuts off at every single street light. Theres about 10 of them on my drive. Sometimes it starts back up after 10 seconds or so while im still pressing the break stopped at the light. It's obnoxious and I had to disconnect the Battery monitor from the negative lead on the battery to get it to stop. I ordered a Trailer plug tester off of amazon. So I can just plug that in and the Truck will always think I'm towing something, that way I can plug the battery monitoring back in. Sorry but the stop/start technology is retarded. If I was worried about fuel economy I wouldn't be driving a full size pickup truck.
@thomaserrico5346 yeah mine doesn't stop and start like that. If it's like light after light after light it won't. But if there's a few lights in between it will. But I don't always use it. I'm not saying people do have to or don't. Disconnecting the battery sensor on works on the ranger to deactivate the start stop without triggering any light. You can go into the "diagnostic" menu of your dash. Which has all the cool stuff in there you can't see on your normal dash so you can deactivate it. Otherwise you would need a scan tool and go into programmable parameters and turn it off. The "diagnostic" portion of the dash is used by software developers and engineers. But if you know how to get into it then it does the same thing.
Yep. also the pinion takes a hit as well. I turn the thing off.
@@leecowell8165 if you say so. Thanks for watching. Have a great day
My first car was from the 70s and if I didn't let it warm up long enough after starting, it would stall out. Every time I'm in a start/stop car and the engine turns off, I have flash backs to that.
Yeah them older carb cars. I had a 68 mustang I had to pull the choke let it warm up and release the choke and still let it run to warm up. Modern cars you don't have to do that anymore. But I know exactly what you mean 😁
Can't confirm #1 or #2, but as a mechanic of 17 years I've changed out more starters in the last 3-4 years than I have ever in my career...and they are mostly on these start-stop motors. I work for a Honda/Acura dealership and the Acura's all have it and we replace those starts like crazy. Never ever did before. Most Honda's can go 150-200k on the original starter, and at 800-$1000 a piece that's a good thing.
The Acura's which are Honda's are getting their starters changed out regularly around 100,000-125,000 and they're the same starter as in the Honda's. I know this is the same issue in Dodge since I"ve brought up this issue with piers. I cannot confirm with Ford because I don't know anyone personally that works at a Ford dealership.
I have a Acura MDX and I installed a idlestopper to prevent premature wear and annoying as hell starts at traffic lights.
I've never had to replace one on a ford cause of autostart stop. Hondas technology in that department is kind of behind. Same with Hyundai. The autostart stop on ford's is actually pretty robust.
A recent report is not looking good for Ford Edge, 20217 and 2018 with Start / Stop are having Flywheel ring gear cracks, very expensive to fix. I disabled my Start / Stop on my 2020 Ford Edge and I am very happy! @@BeardedFordTech
@@jefferysurratt5650 Crack on the flywheel for 2017-18 was a known issue. There was a TSB for it. Whoever the manufacturer was cheaper out on material. They changed manufacturers. That wasn't caused by auto start stop. But. I see where people think it may have been. I don't always use mine as stated many times.
Very frustrating, having to replace starter in 2018 f150 lariat 3.5 after only 54k miles
@stevepauley-os7rn There was a bad run of them. I replaced one under warranty but that was in 2019.
I found a really easy free way to disable auto start stop on a 2023 F150 without doing anything thar would void your warranty or damage your vehicle in any way. On your infotainment system, go into features, then tap on towing, tap on select active trailer. Select default trailer. Done. Doesn't effect the backup camera at all. You're welcome. Im going to post my own video so everyone knows.
Yeah it thinks a trailer is connected. On a ranger you can just disconnect the battery monitor sensor. It won't throw a light. But that's the only one we found that won't throw a light if you do that. I'll pin your comment so others can see
Does that affect the back up camera?
@@booterone1 nope
@@BeardedFordTechI’m confused as to why people want to go through the trouble to permanently disable it. It takes literally 1/2 second to press the disable button when they start the car.
My 2023 has a auto start/stop on/off button.....lol
I despise that start/stop system. I just bought a new Jeep Wrangler and installed an Auto Stop/Stop Eliminator out of WV. It costs only $100; took about 20 minutes to install, and is one of the best mods that I ever bought! No idiot trouble codes on the dash or anymore start/stop.
Apparently everyone complaining about it is jeep owners they use a little seperate baddtery. And that sucks you had to buy 100 eliminator when all you had to do was ask a technician to disable it. Soo there's that. I guess it's a jeep thing.
@@BeardedFordTech I just had the dealership program a 3rd key that was $85! So a tech isn't going to disable it for less than $100!
@AStanton1966 you got ripped on the key too. As long as you have two keys you could have done it. See. A little research goes a long way. And I'm sure he would have done it. Takes about 2 min to disable it. Unless its just a jeep thing.
@@BeardedFordTech Wow, you sound like a genius. Where's you book being sold so that I can buy a copy?
@@AStanton1966 you can't afford it. You spent it all on a key and a useless $100 eliminator. Until next time. Have a great day. 👍
My new car features this ridiculous idea. What you're telling me is that I get a higher quality starter due to this, which I really like. I'm disabling auto stop either way, but as far as wear and tear, induction hardened gears are induction hardened gears. The only other thing they can do with them is put a coating on them. They wear. I don't want a starter constantly engaging, it wears stuff out.
No different than you starting it in the morning then going to the store shutting it off and starting it. Going and doing everyday errands. Does it get worn out? Sure it does just like any other vehicle. But not faster or slower.
I think the point he was making is auto start/stop regardless of quality or method of implementation adds additional wear on the starter and gears. Same drive to the grocery store now might have 10x the "wear" than without it. The feature is more beneficial to the manufacturer than the owner is the point.
@@Mortanon I can see that point of view as well. I'm not saying it doesn't go bad. Sure it does. But not quicker or slower. They seem to last about the same from what I've seen.
@@BeardedFordTech oh wow, thanks for replying man! Question, if these new starters are possibly this much more robust, why aren't they designed into all vehicles even those without start/stop?
@@Mortanon that is a very good question. And the only thing I could find out from engineers is that the internals are just made of stronger material. A vehicle without auto start stop apparently doesn't need it. And to be honest I disagree with him. I think it would make much more sense if they all had parts made with stronger materials. It's a cat and mouse game. I don't use my auto start stop all the time. I give it a break now and again. After 10,000 start/stops the counter has to be reset anyway.
so when the battery is replaced, the car needs to go to dealer to program the new battery to the computer to reset the counter?
@HiFiInsider no. There's three ways. 1. Scan tool. 2. Let it sit for 8 hours leave the keys away from it and don't touch it. 3. Flash the high beams 5 times step on brake 3 times and battery light will flash after about 10 seconds indicating it's been reset. That is for ford. Others may be different. Ford doesn't program the battery. It just resets the battery health and state of charge. It doesn't know you put a new one in. Like if you got a new battery installed on your phone. They have to reset its health so it displays properly. BMW the batteries are coded to the vehicle which I guess you could says is programmed to the bcm. As for the start stop counter. It's a lot. And I mean a lot of start stops. If the bcm is replaced the counter is reset. If it ever wrenches the count and quits working. Then you need a scan tool to reset the counter in the bcm for start stop
@@BeardedFordTech I have a 2022 Kia Seltos with start stop. when the battery needs replacement it should be fun.
@@HiFiInsider I can find out how to reset it on a Kia. Send me an email.
one question. If it doesnt wear out the starter, why would they have to make it more robust? Face it, the engineers knew the starter was going to wear out. The cars get better gas mileage at the expense of wear and tear on the engine because the oil stops circulating when the car is off, the battery is also being charged and discharged harder.
Incorrect. That's why the starter doesn't wear out. In ford (and a few other brands) the transmission and the engine actually have a little electric pump that keeps fluid pressurized and slightly flowing. Engineers are actually pretty smart people (most of them). So your not really putting wear and tear on the engine. You do more harm letting it sit there and idle letting fuel wash out the cylinders diluting oil. Therefore having to change oil more often. There's pros and cons. I don't use mine all the time
That is why us smart people change our oil every 5,000 miles, oil is cheap, engines are not and stop start systems are a JOKE! I will disable every start stop system on any car I own. No flywheel problems for me, thank you. @@BeardedFordTech
@jefferysurratt5650 I change my oil every 5k. But what does oil have to do with the flywheel?
a little gas is cheaper than a starter replacement
@bikeman1x11 if your shopping after market or not knowing where to buy. The one for thus truck is 248.98 walk in price at a dealer without a discount. Oreillys and advance auto. Exact same starter. 479. They mark theirs up so high its crazy. And people really don't realize this. There are ways to disable it. That I'm not going to say. Because if it bothers someone enough. They will figure it out. Or. They can press the button. No different rhat using a turn signal or buckling your seat belt. Just push the button if you don't want it. It's done by the epa for cities with no idle laws. And eventually you won't be able to turn it off.
With all the new features added to cars lately from flat panels and menus systems you have to scroll though which completely distracts you when driving to auto-start, auto-start is the feature I hate the most. The people who forced this idea on us should be forced to live out there days covered in fire ants. I feel better now. 😉
I used to hate start stop. But I like it now. As far as all the other features they are giving consumers what they want and it still isn't enough.
@@BeardedFordTech - Haha, they're clearly not asking me. I can think of 3 cars right now that if they made them again I would go out and buy one in a heart beat. The old Honda Prelude like back from 1988, or the '88 Integra or an '88 Civic CRX Si. When I look at a new '23 all I see is tons of distractions from driving and tons of expensive things that will break after the warranty expires.
@@abikeanditsboy3449 agreed.
I just wish it was a feature you opted into versus being forced to opt out every time you turn on your vehicle. I’m lucky that my auto start/stop toggle button is right next to where my phone goes so it’s just muscle memory now. Plug in phone -> press button-> put into gear.
My father always forgets because his is below the turn signals, and not easy to find without looking.
I agree this stop/start is 💩💩
The plan is First make cars expensive crappy and complicated then get rid of them altogether.
Basically. They are trying hard too
Let’s see how long these starters last over time after being “beat on” for years. The worst part is the sheer annoyance these systems are, including turning off only to turn right back on in milliseconds, and doing so in scorching heat.
Mines been going strong for 4 years. It won't shut off in scorching heat if your ac is on max. Or super cold if your heat is on max. Or defroster are on. I did a video a while back on how the system works. Go check that out. Learn about it. Don't just use what you think will happen. I get it people think it wears out quicker and you think k it would. I see both sides. But take the time to learn how the system operates first.
My daily driver is a Suzuki Alto Turbo RS with this function. This is a 2015 model and never disabled this feature. Almost 8 years and 4 batters later, the starter still going strong. System works like a charm. Learn about the system before you come up with your own redneck theories man.
@@BeardedFordTechI was gonna ask about how stop/start affected the A/C system. I'm in the Gulf South, so it's a concern. Thanks for the info.
@Urugami45 if the can temp is the same and uts not on max ac then the engine will shut off. But as soon as the pressures drop on the ac or a flucation in cab temp it starts back up. As long as you have it on max it won't shut off. It says "normal operation" under start stop. But when you stop it will change to "heating or cooling"
I have a 2017 F150 with almost 90k miles on it, it hasn't had any problems because of the stop/start.
Thanks for Clarifying this information. Appreciate you my man. very help video. Keep it up
@@cosmo8400 your welcome. Check out the used oil analysis video where I used auto start stop. Results blew my mind. No engine wear.
No start stop: starter motor used once per trip. With start stop its used 30 times more. Is starter 30+ times more engineered? Is it made of Vibranium from Wakanda?
Seriously. Obviously you aren't picking up what I'm setting down. How many times it starts and stops depends on many factors. And the internals of the starter are build more robust than a normal starter to withstand the restarts. Why is this so hard for people to understand. It's just more robust. Does the starter wear out? Yes of course. But no sooner than a normal starter.
I know a person that had a Auto Stop Start in their Ford that the starter failed with under 50,000 miles on it and Ford wouldn't repair it under warranty, 1½ years old. I'm driving a 2000 Toyota Tacoma pickup with 238,000 miles with the original starter in it, only needed to have the starter contacts cleaned once. I think I'll keep driving my Tacoma!😂
Like with all new tech It will be hella expensive to repair when it does break down, and you bet your A.S.S. it will.
248 dollar starter. Not too bad. Of course it will break down. Better than a 40k battery on a tesla.
Very informative video. On a half ton pickup, 7% better mileage is about 1.5 miles per gallon. Just trust that the automakers are using better parts for stop start. I will stick with my 2007 Saturn with a manual transmission thank you. If my engine ever stops, just give it a push, pop the cluctch. Start! LOL
That's what harder and harder to find is a manual transmission. I would have gotten one. 1.5 miles pergallon adds up. But at the same time it's not a lot is it.
Its the jerkiness form a dead spot that I hate. all systems will have a delay so if you have to quickly change from stopped to going you will spin the tires. Especially in snow.
@WeThePeople2020 mine doesn't jerk. Have you had it checked out? Not supposed to jerk. What kind of vehicle? If you say chevy or dodge then there's the problem. Their start stop is horrible.
I’m used to getting lied to by politicians and people trying to sell me something. As an engine builder I can say that there is no way it’s not causing more wear on a motor constantly losing the bearing cushion that oil pressure creates. I’m willing to wager these motors don’t hold up like a normal engine. Nothing new last like stuff used to just 15 years ago. Everything is made disposable now days. I have seen a number of these start stop vehicles with bearing knock by the way.
I haven't seen any with bearing knock( not saying it doesn't happen) but there is an axillary pump that keeps oil pressure. At least on ford anyway. You may be an engine builder. But are you building these new engines? Not saying they don't fail because of it. Everything is built to fail nowadays. But it doesn't fail any sooner or later. I bet if you dig a little deeper on the engine knock. How were they with doing oil changes and keeping up on maintenance cause that is a big factor. People will neglect the simplest maintenance things then blame a system on the car for the failure when it was actually the user. The problem was between the seat and the steering wheel. I see both sides. I get it.
I see it more on the audi and vw cars with the first generation stop start system quite often and it usually happens just outside of warranty. Im convinced all this techno crap on cars now days is to make sure they cant be kept around for very long because they arnt worth fixing. I also cant help but wonder if Ford ever got over their hard work at trying to find the perfect formula for engines that grenade just outside the warranty. They were so close on the 2011 scorpions and the 2.0s 😆Cars after 2005 just seem like such techno trash its ridiculous. @@BeardedFordTech
@@volatile2805 yeah. Nothing is built to last anymore. It's all part of their plan.
100 percent. I've been an automotive engineer for over 25 years and all of this is total BS
call me crazy but ALL THAT STUFF working together is somehow better than the old fashioned driver and key, nope. Then there’s the additional cost and hassle dealing with what goes wrong starting with that overpriced battery. In the end all it’s going to do is cost ME. Money to placate some activist bureaucrat.👎🏻
@drizler a $200 battery? Less engine wear? Starters are the same just more robust internals. I do like the old driver and key though. Times have changed. This isn't 1945 anymore. Things have advanced and they don't work like old school stuff. Sorry to say. Am I saying it won't fail? Absolutely not. It still will. Am I saying you have to use it? Again Absolutely not. There if you want it. Am I saying it does decrease engine wear? Absolutely. And my oil test proves it. Engine isn't sitting there idling which washes out cylinder degrading oil. Fuel the number 1 killer of oil. But. It's your choice to want to or not want to use it. And thats okay. We can still be friends. Your not crazy
Three things to avoid when buying an automobile: CVT’s, turbos, and auto-start. The auto-start solves a problem that never existed and adds unnecessary complexity.
Might as well buy a bicycle then.
@@BeardedFordTech That guy was totally right. Why just dismiss him like that?
Start stop features have been proven, with science, to reduce fuel dilution which is one of the main factors in reduced oil viscosity. Oil viscosity is the most important factor protecting engine internals.
@@jmc6940 Non sense. For 50 years, people have changed their engine oil every 3000 or 4000 miles, and did the other required maintenance too. A Honda or Toyota engine will easily last 200,000 miles, and fuel dilution makes no difference.
I don't see anything wrong with turbos imho.
It is just a matter of preference.
But, nothing to fear imho.
I disagree. It is for EPA emissions, every time you start a car increases the wear because the oil has returned to the bottom. Why fill up an oil filter when you change it out? to get oil to the top quicker. Aircraft oils had a special ingredient in them because the engines would sit, not started for long periods of time. It would leave a slight coating of oil (think like cosmoline like barrier) for the infrequent startups. If cars came pre-pressurized with oil before start they would hardly ever wear out, that thin coat of lubricant stops metal on metal and there would be no need for a warm up (I know 30 seconds now). It does not save that much on fuel, you need a more robust starter, an bigger battery. Viscosity is already reduced when you run the car, it changes. Why the need to change the oil, it get blow by from the rings. I get your point but just don't think its the whole story.
@hossafat okay so let's start with this. 1. Yes the starter is more robust and they have agm batteries.
2. All the oil does not go back in the pan. There is still oil and film in the journals and cam caps. Ever taken a valve cover off after it sat for a few hours? There's still oil there.
3. My used oil analysis (including this 10k change im releasing soon) using start stop proved that my engine wear decreased.
4. Yes epa has a lot to do with it.
5. It does save fuel. A lot of it? Absolutely not. But some.
6. I never prefill oil filters. Never had a problem. And if it was such a big deal why are there upside down, sideways, and cartridge filters? It's not like it was 30 years ago. Some vehicles like ford have a flood mode (what we use to check relative compression and such) that can be used to prefill the filter as it doesn't allow the engine to start.
Check out the 7258 mile oil change video where lake speed goes over my used oil analysis. He's going over this one too.
Is stop start for everyone? Absolutely not. Am I telling everyone to use it? Absolutely not. I think.it should be an option. But it doesn't harm anything like people think it does. It looks at so many parameters to even shut off. Some don't even use the starter to restart. As far as planes go. I know. A good friend of mine works for delta. They don't even change oil. They just add to it. And they do use a special kind of oil Yes. But starting a plane engine uses air. Which they can so manually do from the side of the engine. Learned a lot from him about planes. Pretty cool stuff.
I’m not an auto mechanic, but being a maintenance mechanic I know anything short cycling is hard on the equipment. If the only savings is 7 percent max, it’s definitely going to cost you more in wear and tear than that tiny bit of fuel economy.
I though so too. For a very long time. Just did an used oil analysis. It says otherwise. No wear. I get why people think nit wears things out. But they are comparing older engines to modern engines. I see both sides. But used oil analysis tells you what's going on. There is no bearing or piston wear. No gear wear going on. Wear rate is very very very low. Video should be up this weekend
@@BeardedFordTechhow about the wear on the starter and battery? I know they just add haveavy duty to compensate but it would just all last long
@chrisdsx6839 it wears out. It's a mechanical part (starter) but not any sooner than one without it. As far as the battery. They all only last about 3 years now. Go to any parts store and look at them. They all went from 5 to 3..
@@BeardedFordTech well I'm going to get an auto stop eliminator because I don't like how it feels when I'm driving. i imagine not making the starter star an extra 20 times a day will make it last longer...
@chrisdsx6839 you don't like how it feels when your driving? Makes no sense. The engine is running. Why buy an eliminator? If you have a ford you can deactivate it. Permanently too. I don't know about other brands.
Good explanation. Every Joe blow thinks they are an engineer and goes on their beliefs and not facts.
Yeah. I know. Data had proved these myths. And I also did used oil analysis testing and it shows that it's not wearing out my engine. Pretty interesting video. I'm not an engineer. But I did study how the system works and did lots of research and testing. Thank you for watching.
Stop start, a solution to a promlem we never had, how come if I am queuing at macdonalds the stop start works for around 3 times then gives up, also a youtuber worked out over the years he has had his car it's only saved around 14 mile of fuel and you are totally correct it won't damage your engine, but the battery and starter sure takes a hammering.
Battery more than a starter. And if it did it in the drive through three times then it realized it stopped too many times in a short amount of time. This is to keep it from ruling your battery and starter. You kind of answered your own question and didn't realize it. But that is why it does that in the drive through.
How does ford 2.7 ecoboost cool the turbo with the start/stop feature activated?
@KT_keeper the same way a 2.3 does. It just spins. Like on a 6.7. Your supposed to idle for about 2 min then shut if off. Thay allows it to cool. However while monitoring turbo temp. It cooled off while.start stop was activated. It never got any hotter. All Temps stayed the same
I get it but you are not going to convince me that the starter is that much more robust. Especially with the reduction of quality in auto parts across the board over the past decade. What I hear is "with Auto Start/Stop system we just didn't reduce the amount quality in the starter". Lol, my other concern is the transmission components constantly rengaging at odd intervals. Other than that it is just really uncomfortable.taking off from a light sucks! Lol
It is more robust. And if you like it cool. If you don't. That's cool too. As far as the transmission. There is a electronic motor in there that keeps fluid pressure. It stops and starts just like the engine. The transmission is just clutch packs and planetary gears. Your not actually changing gears. Just changing the ratio. But I see where your concern is.
Just more stuff that can fail, how do you know the extra motor in the trans is working correctly?? Too many unanswered questions about these systems, just more work for the mechanics who work on these systems. KISS Keep It Simple Stupid. @@BeardedFordTech
@jefferysurratt5650 yeah I work on these all the time. They can be comicated. Let me ask you this. You change your oil every 5k. That's good. Have you had a transmission service yet? How many miles on your 2020
it doesn't mess it up, but it does increase wear. withstand the beating. for how long? If you use something less, it will last longer. it's just common sense. Misleading messaging.
@@MrRustedmetal increases wear on the engine? That's false. My oil analysis tests proved that. Engine wear went down. Check that video. It's the 7258 mile oil change
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I don’t like it because when I’m parking it will sometimes turn off my car when I hit the brake to hard or don’t shift into reverse fast enough
Yes that can me annoying. Does it to me sometimes. You can get around that though. Turn the AC on Max. Or hest or defroster. It will keep it from shutting off.
Bottom line, it’s like EV’s, the promise that you will use less “gasoline” might be true, BUT, like most Government ideas, they’re usually shortsighted. The EV concept is built on a total package of concepts that depend on each concept to be viable. The Electric Grid is powered mostly by coal in the USA, and had we moved to nuclear energy 30 years ago we would have the power that would sustain an all electric lifestyle but we don’t. Had we moved in with newer salt batteries rather than use a foreign based lithium battery systems, we also would’ve in a better position, but we didn’t.
Having digressed to,this point, I want to get to my end point in that the EV and Hybrid EV’s have the batteries as a connection. When you have ALL these new and even beneficial technologies in our vehicles incorporated into our vehicles they require a lot of battery capacity. This brings up a couple of things that seem to lost on the audience. First, when you drive your vehicle with all the gadgets, they’re using a lot of electricity and to keep up with their power consumption needs they must have big alternators and big batteries, with a backup battery.
What with all the WiFi connection and Bluetooth connections there is something connecting to your vehicle all the time, like Onstar, Navigation, key fobs, and now government agencies want to connect to your vehicle for surveillance like driver mentality, how they’re talking, where they’re going, where they’ve been.
According to some publications we can expect a mileage tracker for mileage taxation, a tracker for your license plate accountability, the driver mental function tracking is expected by 2025, and the mileage tracker is already in the works.
So knowing all that, finding that the Auto Starting is Stop/Start and it ties into the biliary to SHUT YOUR VEHICLE OFF if they don’t like your attitude.
So when you stop at these traffic signals and your engine shuts off, who’s charging the huge batteries? Expect that your vehicle will be sending you a text, an alert, or a voice warning that you need to replace those batteries OFTEN. ABOUT $1000 a pop, and have you seen both of those batteries lately?
Okay. Both of what batteries? Iy has one. And it's like $250. I can agree that they did talk about mileage tracker and such. Hell onstar can shut your car off. And yes like 99% is government crap. Batteries only last like 3 years now anyway. Where is this 1000 dollars coming from and two batteries? On a ranger? Dodge uses two batteries. A small one like a motorcycle battery for their start stop.
Good job at disproving all the myths surrounding start-stop. However, it's still annoying as all get out! I've had it turned off permanently on our vehicles. It's just another government regulation that costs us money and headaches and only makes a certain part of our society "feel" good.
Yep. It can be annoying. But when working properly.czn be a benefit. They're way more behind of why it was made. But that will be another video one day. Thanks for watching enjoy your day
those "myths" are the facts-- anything being used more will fail sooner- if i get a vehicle with this BS its being disabled ASAP- I had a subaru outback with the DRL's and i was going through headlight bulbs like crazy- disabled it
You are talking foolishness let owners know that the starter of these vehicle goes within a short period of timing causing a lot of break down I know I have a Nissan frontier
@johnjoseph5501 you just explained why yourself. You have a nissan frontier. My Truck has al.kst 60k miles. Still going original starter. Nissan starters are weak to behind with. Everything on those vehicles is junk. They are worse than GM and Ram so you are speaking foolishness right there just by saying that. You had a starter go ba I'm assuming. Look at all the other trucks same year make and model of yours still going with original starter. Every think maybe the one they put on it to begin with wasn't bhult very well. Like the cvt transmission they are known for. Some are okay and don't have problems. Some are junk. But nobody knows about the good ones. So no. They don't go within a short period. Do a little more research next time.
Here is the video for a used oil analysis using auto start stop for 7,258 miles.
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Owned a 2017 GMC Acadia with auto stop. Could not disable. Very annoying. Pull in to park, engine shuts off. Put car into park, engine restarts. Turn off engine before exiting car, curse the idiot engineers at GMC. Final step, trade in car.
Their new ones has a button. I don'tike GM at all
There's still another point to all of this even though the starter in the turbos and whatever else maybe built with higher quality materials and design to withstand the constant starting and shutting off in all reality if you were to disable the auto stop start feature permanently these same parts would last twice as long than if you left AutoStart feature on for the life of your car. Therefore auto stop start is still contributing to extra wear that isn't necessary. Unless you are willing to exchange that wear for a 5 percent difference in gas mileage. I personally am not willing to exchange that and there are plenty of aftermarket modules that you can buy that just plug directly in and permanently disable the auto stop start so you don't have to push the button every time you get in your car and start the engine.
True. Just starting your car in the morning does the same thing. I don't need a module to shut it off. I have a fors computer that I can do lots of things with. But for the normal everyday consumer yeah. But did you know there is other ways with a module to plug in. And no I'm not going to tell you cause I'm not about to get in trouble for that.
I agree with you. I disabled the start/stop on my 18 F150 5.0 shortly after buying it new. Gawd I hated when it shut off. 80,000 miles later, no problems with the original starter or battery. With the system deactivated, I average 20mpg in my 50/50 city/highway driving.
Some of these takes are Not true for every car. My malibu in cold weather would cut off at a stop light before the car even finish warming up. Be cold as Fu. Also last week my car wouldn't start back up after stopping at a stop sign because battery was weak.
That seems to be the going trend with Chevrolet. And in all honestly. Their stop system is garbage. And so is Subaru. Their parameters are set so low it causes issues.
I'm not driving a Ford now but am looking to buy something new. When I first heard about this auto start stop I actually thought it was cool because who doesn't want to save gas? After experiencing the auto start stop, my number one requirement for my next purchase is the auto start stop being easy to permanently disable. My current SUV is 3 years old and it tells you your "savings" from the auto start stop. I left it on for about 3,000 miles including lots of stop and go and it said I had saved about 0.3 gallons of gas. I don't keep something past 100,000 miles so the math told me I might save about $100 total in gas over the life of the vehicle. How much extra did the SUV cost to build because of this ridiculous feature? How much extra did I pay for it? The dealer even told me the battery was more expensive to replace than normal batteries. It cuts off at the stupidest times. It's unbelievable, when I pull into a parking space or my garage it cuts off but when I shift the car into park, it restarts! Then I have to immediately cut it back off because I am parking the car. I probably paid an extra $500 (manufacturer is going to recoup their R & D cost and increased production cost) for the car because of the cost of this feature that nobody wants and all it does is make your battery more expensive to replace (even if it doesn't wear out quicker or even if you don't have to do maintenance on anything in the start stop system). The constant vibration from starting and stopping is annoying, the gas savings are almost nonexistent (I even tried it again when gas prices went up last year and the it still saved me something like $1 over a couple thousand miles) plus it just makes people angry that the automakers don't make it where you can disable it permanently. All settings should remember where you had them set when you cut the engine off and restore to what you had when the engine restarts.
Good observations. But you can permanently disable it. I've done it on many ford vehicles. You have to use the computer to do it. If you only saved .3 gallons then something else was going on. I understand not everyone likes it. I don't even use mine all the time. I was just breaking the myths out there because a few people had a battery go bad and blame the system when in fact it was just a crap battery. Even vehicles that don't have it have AGM batteries for all the modules and electronics onboard. Base model vehicles usually have the acid filled. So even if you got a premium model without auto start stop it would still have an AGM battery. I'm not telling people to use it or not. Completely their decision. It's a good feature for stop and go city traffic. And cities where you aren't allowed to idle your vehicle. That's really where it started at.
Weird. I'd think these systems would use a capacitor for this sort of stop/start system so it doesn't murder the battery.
@@Canthus13 it's controlled through the body control module and uses the battery monitor system to look at state of charge. Doesn't really draw too much on the battery like a first cold start in the morning.
Interesting conversation. My concern would be a hot spinning turbo going dry for those moments until it spools down .
Not really. Concern on a ecoboost. It won't slin dry though. Dieselnwont spin dry. They spin after you shut them down. I did a short/video on it. That's why you let a turbo cool down. There's a short on that too.
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Accurate. My large turbo diesel trucks I let idle down and cool for a couple minutes. The new start/ stop features are new to me on our new vehicle
@billfincher8519 yes. The diesel you let it cool for a few min to bring Temps down. Start stop system is designed way different.
I have a subwoofer and amplifier installed and everytime the auto stop start goes off it shuts my entire amp out and my subwoofer stops playing. I have no
Clue how to fix it
Sounds like it's wired through the ignition. I would find another wire that has constant power. But no power when shut off
I am a Ford guy but when I had a recall fixed the dealership gave me a new F-150 eco boost 10spd XLT and I HATED it! I wish Ford would just make a V-8 4X4 no back seat long box no touch screen no bullshit interior and no bullshit "features" that nobody needs or wants and give me a key back.
Yeah I don't like the 10spd. They gave you a truck for a recall fix? What recall was it? It's not just ford that does these features. They all do it. Apparently.more of the population wants it (some of it epa controlled) and when people get what they asked for. They don't like it. I'm cool either way. As long as I can get from point A to point B.
I am going to disagree with you on your starter comment.
I live three miles from the nearest hardware store. I get in my car, out in my driveway, and start my car then I drive to that hardware store and park in their parking lot. That's one start. I buy some item at the hardware store, get in my car in their parking lot, start my vehicle and drive home. Shut my car off in my driveway and go in my house. That's a second start. So I drove six miles round trip and started my car twice.
Now, if I had auto start/stop my vehicle might go through a number of starts an order of magnitude greater than two. This is because between my house and that hardware store there are six traffic lights. If my car only restarts once at each light it is now starting a minimum of fourteen times if I stop/start at each and every light, and there are times when I do catch them all. Now, let's say that after stopping at a light, the traffic in front of me rolls up, and comes to a stop, and I do the same. Now my car is starting two times at that light. So it is conceivable that my starter will engage 20 or more times in that 6 mile round trip. And that is just a short run to the nearest hardware store.
Now, let's say I have to drive 40 minutes across town, about 22 miles. Which I do almost every day. On my most common daily commute I am hitting 15 lights, and that is with a 6 mile run on the highway. If, let's say, there is a wreck on the highway and I avoid the highway altogether I will encounter about 30 traffic lights. If I stop/start once at each light my starter my engage 60 or more times, instead of two, in that 44 mile round trip. You can't tell me that my starter won't wear out any more quickly if I engage it 60 times a day than if I only engaged it two times a day. SMH. No Sir, the math won't support your argument.
Now, I have a neighbor down at the end of the cul-de-sac who complained to me that he has been replacing his starter two times a year for the last three years. His vehicle has auto stop/start. It's three years old. My car is 15 years old and I am the original owner. I haven't replaced my starter yet at all. It still has the original factory starter. So my neighbor, by his account, is on his sixth starter in three years. I am still on my first after 15 years. So...🤷, seems obvious to me that we're observing cause and effect.
Something is seriously going on with your neighbors vehicle if he has replaced it that many times. I could understand if it was a dodge cause their stop stop is horrible or Subaru which is worse. Now. Back to your scenario. I see what your saying I really do. But you have to understand how it works. It doesn't shut off at every light say stop and go traffic for a few reasons. Reason one. The speed from your last stop to the next stop was not greater than 15mph. Reason 2. The time between stops was too short. Say you go 6 blocks and there are 6 stop lights and you never got over 15 mpg and are just creeping cause traffic is bad. The time between stops and speed should not allow it to stop unless all parameters are met. It's called a cool "cool down phase" between stops. So it's not or shouldn't stop 20 30 40 50 or 60 times. Most systems are designed to operate the same way. Your neighbors starter should not be going out like that. I've replaced one starter under warranty and it wasn't the stop system. It was literally the wire on the starter. Will they go bad? of course they will. But it shouldn't go bad that quick. Did they check other parts of the system that make it work? I'm not saying people have to use it or should. Entirely up to them. But I work on these for a living. I know how the system works. Not because someone's starter went bad up the street they blame the syart stop system without knowing the full details. How does that saying go? You can do a million good things and nobody will know. You do one bad thing and thr whole world knows. Same for the start stop.
Any engineer(not working for the auto industry) knows that starting and stopping rotating machinery , e.g., a car engine, for one, leads to premature failure. The [engine's] attached oil pump only provides lubrication when the engine is running. It does not provide full oil flow instantly when the engine is started. A Start/Stop engine feature is a good way to sell more vehicles.
True to a point. But testing showed it doesn't wear out the engine any faster. Or the starter. The main killer of engines. Not doing oil changes. I don't care if it has auto start stop or not. I have the tools to turn it off if I don't want it. Some people do. Some people don't. Some people don't mind either way. My dad hates it on his f150. He turns it off. And that's okay. It's mainly for people who live in cities with no idle laws. And they just put it on every vehicle.
The cost of a new starter as opposed to the "savings" of less idle time is financial. Do the math of 60,000mi replacement as opposed to 100,00 mi replacement. don't forget the wear and tear on the pressure plate gearing.$1000 a pop for starter(if lucky) is a lot of gas, not sure if it equilbrate$.@@BeardedFordTech
@@molarguy so my truck that has 60k miles on it now the starter is just going to go out because of start stop. Notated. Thanks for the heads up.
What do you think about disabling auto start/stop? Any negative side effects from that???
That's entirely up to you. The only negative effect would be more engine wear from idling so much. I did a used oil analysis video using start/stop. It's there if you want to use it or not. Get a used oil analysis using it and one not using it. That would be my recommendation
We are buying (soon) a 2018 Ford Escape Titanium with 31k miles and it's absolutely loaded with every option known to mankind. I was not concerned about this feature until I went down that rabbit hole watching video after video about all the negativity surrounding the feature. I'm glad I clicked on one more video to put my mind at ease because I almost thought about NOT buying it. How silly of me. I was listening to a bunch of armchair mechanics who have no clue what they are talking about. You'd think I'd learn. Thanks for setting the record straight man.
That's exactly why I put this video out. Someone has a problem one time and they blame it on auto start stop when in reality that wasn't the issue. Glad I could break that barrier for you! Enjoy your new ride. Reach out if you have any questions.
You can usually bypass them too.
@@patm95 yep. On the ranger just unplug the battery monitor sensor. (you didn't hear that from me). If you have a scan tool that does programming. You can turn them off .
Watch out for flywheel ring gear cracks -see my post below
Does the extra cost of the 'more robust' starter and battery and/or the extra battery plus the computer controls offset any fuel savings?
Computer controls? Starter is like $295 for this truck. Batteries are only good for 3 years and my battery which is yes an agm is $250. So the parts aren't high. Don't know where people get this from. Still don't know what you mean by computer control. And I need to figure out how much fuel I save In a year when i use it compared to a new part. Now it means fuel saved in a year. I'm not worried about that. I'm worried about engine wear. And using it has greatly reduced it. See the used oil analysis video.
The auto start-stop system in the 3.5L Ecoboost engine does have an impact on the turbos, but it's important to understand the design and functionality to address any concerns.
During an auto start-stop event, when the engine shuts off, the turbos do continue to spin for a short period. However, it's worth noting that the turbos on modern vehicles are designed to withstand these conditions. They are built with high-quality materials and incorporate sophisticated engineering to ensure durability and performance.
Additionally, even though the engine is off, the turbos receive lubrication from the engine oil that remains in the system. Modern engines have advanced oil circulation systems that continue to supply lubrication to critical components, including the turbos, even during brief periods of engine shutdown.
Automakers also take measures to minimize wear and tear on the turbos. For instance, the auto start-stop system is typically programmed to avoid shutting off the engine when the turbos are operating at high RPMs or under heavy load. This helps prevent potential issues and ensures that the turbos receive adequate lubrication during normal driving conditions.
Nailed it. Same with the 2.3 Ecoboost like in my ranger. Also the turbo on the 6.7 powerstroke still spins when shut off. I did a video on that cause someone wanted to see it soon. Great explanation.
"They are built with high-quality materials and incorporate sophisticated engineering to ensure durability and performance." I just had to laugh at that one. Too many recalls and TSBs for that to be remotely accurate. Chevy Bolt owners I think would disagree as well. If your car randomly becomes a bonfire, that sure is some amazing engineering. Yes indeed. It's a long long list of problems with new and used unmodified vehicles.
I was looking for this information. I have a new Silverado turbo and besides hating the start/stop, I turn it off religiously cause I thought it was bad for the turbo but on the other I figured they had to of thought of that.
remember too that the manufacturer is designing to get past warranty. After that, do you think they really care if some people have to replace turbo's?@@Fjord_Driver
Turbo spins when it's shut off??? How does it do that?
It spins down when the engine shuts off, but unless it has an electric motor attached to it, it isn't going to continue spinning without some exhaust flow to drive it.
I like your video, but dislike ASS technology. It should be standard to default to the last position, problem solved. If it works for you leave it on. For the rest of us we want it off without pushing a button every time or paying extra to make it work that way.
I don't always use it. There's a time and place for it. I agree you should be able to set it to the last position. It's annoying. I'm not saying people have to use it. Cool if they do. Cool if they don't. I did however do a oil anaysis video using start stop if you wanna check that out. Again. Not saying people must use it. I see both sides. I get it.
Excellent explanation and video Sir thank you.
Your very welcome sir.
Just make it a option.problem solved . Or removed by dealer
@JamesChechele you can deactivate it. Don't even need the dealer to do so. If ypu have a ford. And forscan takes about 2 min. I agree make it an option. I get it not everyone wants it. But thanks to those states that have no idle laws they have to have it.
My concern is that in stop and go traffic on a hot summer day, you'd actually want to have oil and coolant circulating the engine. If you take that away from the engine every time you come across a red light, wouldn't that be bad for it?
No. For a few reasons. 1. It doesn't do it at every red light if they are close together. 2. Oil Isn't going to drain back in the pan that fast. 3. There's an auxiliary coolant pump that keeps coolant flowing when engine is stopped, That's why the temp doesn't rise from a hot soak and coolant isn't just sitting there like if you shut your engine off.
What about HVAC actuators/blend doors? Are they constantly resetting to a neutral position when the engine turns off and then going back to where they were before shutting off? Also the battery and starter may be built better but that means they are more expensive when they do break, and they will let’s be honest batteries and starters are one of the most changed parts on vehicles.
Batteries yes. Mine was like $200. The actuators and HVAC do not go back to the neutral position. That's only when the vehicle completely off as in you turn the key off. That's why if you have ac or heat on it still blows but the heat temp will drop or ac will start to get warm. That's when it starts back up to regulate the cab temperature. But the blend doors do not go to neutral position when the engine is off during a start stop event. Starters aren't really that bad either. Like $125 for my truck. And I've rarely replaced any. Starters have come a long way. Batteries. Man we have been going through them.
@@BeardedFordTech yeah copy that, starter on my jeep just went out luckily at work lol. Great video thanks for the info.
@@daddydiesel5889 your very welcome.
Thanks! I’d worry that responsiveness off the line would be affected. Sitting at a light then the rush to get going. Seems a lot to ask of an engine that just cranked. Not just wear but hesitation.
@@thetimhampton ended up opting to shut off the auto start stop on my dads 2019 F-150.
I am not a mechanic.........but logic tells you if you are doing dozens and dozens of extra start and stop cycles per week.........it has to cause damage to the engine and starter and battery. Come on it is a ridiculous idea and saves tiny amounts of fuel. Also the cars with large displacement engines have to use heavy heavy duty batteries. My next door neighbor has this feature and he had to buy a 350 dollar battery.
It wasn't his start stop that ruined the battery. Batteries are only good for about three years now. That's why they only have a 36 month warranty. And I've had brand new ones be bad. Saves a little more than a tiny amount. You know what ruins an engine. Lack of oil changes. You know when most wear occurs on an engine. First startup in the morning. Not stopping and starting all day. If that was the case. Everytime you ran errands somewhere multiple times a day then you would wear out your engine so quick. It doesn't work that way. The parts are built just a tad stronger. Will they fail? Of course they will. But if properly maintained. No sooner or later than any other part. Check out Engineering explained. He's a engineer and goes through great detail on the system. Learn about the system. I understand everyone has an opinion. And I'm not saying everyone should use it. Cool if you do coolif you don't. But people that blame the system cause their next door neighbors brother In law had a battery fail and said it was auto start stop. You ever hear the phrase. "You do 100 things right 1 person knows. You do 1 thing wrong everyone knows". Everyone is quick to spread the bad news and it may not be the whole story. Have a good night. I did a video on how the system actually works.
Thanks for explaining the auto start stop system. They put enough redundant safety features on it. I expected that it would put extra strain on the battery and starter. I remember the video where you changed the battery in your Ranger due to the A.S.S. not working because of battery age. Engines use more fuel at idle than they do at speed. The A.S.S system would be of benefit in stop and go traffic. Stop and go traffic is a constant daily issue on the section of I95 that runs through our state. I hate travelling on I95.
Yeah stop and go is where it comes in handy. It actually doesn't put a lot of strain on the battery. Or the starter. You think it would but those two items are built more robust. Most of the electronics put more strain on the battery than the starter.
@@BeardedFordTech All those computers memory functions keep a constant parasitic draw on the batteries. Why batteries don't last like they used to.
The only downside I can think of is those of us with older cars where the air conditioning is not worth fixing I have to listen to the car stopping and starting over and over and over again. I now have a car with working air conditioning it's no longer a problem for me. It's just something I experienced.
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@@robertknight4672huh? You are complaining about others cars?? LOL
Myth or not. I have a manual transmission VW that has about
350 000km trouble free, fitted with start stop technology, I however do not use this start stop period. I am still not convicted that my starter, battery and other engine components will do good, although build to be handle this beating. I am not prepared to tempt fate. Manufactures build cars to last to more or less the warranty period, if you intend to keep the car for longer duration, you then need to take precautionary measures, I do not think this start stop technology is intended for longevity.
I've never seen a manual with start stop. Well yours is a Volkswagen. I've never seen that. Very interesting
If you think the AAA is providing the full and accurate data, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
Ohh no. Not full and accurate. But. Talking to engineering explained (check out his videos) and working on them for a living. There are a lot of myths.
What specifically stop the oil from flowing back down?
It does flow back down. But it doesn't all flow back. There's always oil in top.of the engine just like when you park at home. It takes days for every drop to go back to the pan. And sitting for a fee min with the engine off at a light is not nearly enough time to syarve the engine of oil on startup. Cold starts like in the morning after sitting all night does more damage
New cars are way better than older models, in most ways. But not this d##m auto stop crap. I HATE IT!
Then don't use it. It's not for everyone. I don't use mine all the time.
Nice job, All you say is absolutely true however I will never use that system.
And that's fine and dandy. Absolutely not saying you have to. That is for you to decide. But using it, my used oil analysis showed way less engine wear. It dropped dramatically. Check that out if you get a chance. It's on the 7258 mile oil change video. It has it's pros and cons it's not for everyone and I completely understand that 💯💯
You can put lipstick on a pig. But it’s still a pig! This is the most annoying feature ever!
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Only good when waiting in a chick fila line on a Saturday
That would be the same as sitting at a red light or in a traffic jam. Two questions. Your chic fila that slow? And who actually goes through a drive through? Our chic fila here is on point. Even though I never go through the drive through. But the time I get my food the car I saw as I was walking in is going past the window with food. McDonald's I could understand.
Thanks for clarifying this.
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Thanks for the video!
I'm curious about something.
There's a heat wave where I'm at, so I am often using the A/C while driving. While waiting at a red light, when I activate start/stop, the air blowing from the vent is no longer cold. It resumes blowing cold air once I restart the engine. Is this normal?
The engine sometimes turns on by itself while I am using A/C, as well.
Am I damaging the engine or the heating/cooling system by using (or attempting to use) start/stop when the A/C or heater is turned on?
Thanks!
@nobleactual7693 no that is completely normal. When the engine is off the ac compressor isn't spinning. The blower inside is just blowing whatever air over the evap core. Because refrigerant isn't being compressor of flowing the evap core gets warm. That's the warm air you feel. When the vehicle turns itself back on by itself that is normal. That means there was a difference in cab temperature so it starts so I can pump the ac to cool the cab. It may also start automatically because battery volts drop below a certain threshold. It look as a lot of things before it shuts off, and while it's shut off. If you turn the steering while it's off. It will restart as well. If you turn on MAX AC. It won't shut off. Same with defrost. All completely normal.
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@@BeardedFordTech Oh, great! I was scared I might have been doing some damage to the system when using A/C or heater.
I have a '22 Forester, I've been definitely taking advantage of start/stop! I drive mostly in the city, so that means many red lights. I got the car in Dec '22, and since then, have stopped for a total of ~34 hours, and have saved 11.5 gal of gas!
@nobleactual7693 see it works great if your in the city and have a lot of stop and go. Glad your saving money!
I don't really have an issue with it except when it can't distinguish a full stop from just breaking to reverse. Overall, i do mostly highway driving.
You mean like your stopping to go into reverse? Is your shifter on the colum or the console or is it one of those dials? If it's on the console (floor) push the know in like you do when you go from park to drive. This will keep it from shutting off when going into reverse.
@@BeardedFordTech Shifter is on the center but not console like most cars. If I break hard it turns off. A $25 plug on amazon will do the job and deactivate it. Question is, will it really wear off the starter?
2016 escape . Lot of draw on battery. I turn mine off. 😊
How old is your battery? Cause they are only good for like 3 yrs now. If you replaced it did you reset the battery monitor system? Cause there isn't supposed to be that much draw. When the battery gets to a certain voltage the engine kicks back on. I don't always use mine. Here lately it's been off
Subscribed just because of the nonsense he has to deal with in the comments.
its an ongoing battle. I've done oil testing recently and it proves the engine does wear out. Batteries are only good for three years now anyway. People are just stuck in their old ways. But I do this for a living. They don't. 95% of the nonsense comments are from people who do not work on vehicles for a living. They go by speculation. Stick around you will see it on all the videos. Like a recent one i did with a 10k mile oil change. Prior to this video I didnt remove the tire to take the filter off and people complained and said i should have so they can see better. So I did for the new one. What do they do? Complain you have to take the tire off to remove a filter (when you dont have to). I give them what they ask for and they still complain. I find it amusing now. Keyboard warriors will be keyboard warriors. Preciate the sub!. But yes ive learned to deal with the nonsense. Have a great day. Reach out if you need anything
@@BeardedFordTech I think you meant does *not wear out? Second sentence.
Yeah it’s weird that no matter what you do, no matter how good you are (skill snd character) someone will always complain and/or not like you. The internet magnifies it like crazy.
Thanks man!
@@snakes5506 your welcome. I recommend checking out the used oil analysis video using auto start stop as well
Oil pressure still drops to ZERO whenever the engine shuts down, so all the bearings and metal surfaces start rotating with only RESIDUAL oil on them. Yes, "start-stop will not damage your engine" during the warranty period, but many of us plan on keeping our overpriced trucks for at least 10 years. Ford doesn't care about that though, as they are in the business of selling you a new truck. Horrible feature that can be easily disabled with an "Auto Start-Stop Disabler".
Yes. It does drop to zero. Tell that to my used oil anaysis. I take it you didn't see that. Why buy a disabler? You don't need one if you know how to shut it off permanently. If you have a ford. Send me an email. You'd be surprised.
What about heat flash on a turbocharged engine?
save $50 on gas and spend $900 on liquid filled motor mount replacement.. Next to cylinder deactivation, this is absolutely the 2nd stupidest idea ever conceived.. That 1 second delay is more irritating than the bums who try to wash my windshield at stop lights...
I've saved more than 50 on gas when I do use it. And my motor mount isn't $900. Not even close. To each his own. Bums down here don't want to wash windows. They just want the money.
The Pilot has 3 of them and they are $300 each installed and you don’t do just 1 They get replaced in sets.
I have 2 cars the same make, different years. Both have stop-start. The one I drive is the older and the system works like a dream. I have auto hold too. I don’t understand people that don’t like it or think it’s stupid. But I guess that’s their opinion and mine being different. I can stop at a set of lights that I’ve just seen change to red and keep my foot on the brake and save a heap of fuel. If I can see the light will change to green I lift foot off and auto hold keeps me stationary while the engine starts. If the opposing lights are changing as I approach I just let auto hold take the car and only hold the brake long enough to stop the car, not the engine. Works so fantastic…. In fact when it’s not up to temp, I really miss it….
The car my wife drives is 9 years newer and the system sucks. It stops the engine before the vehicle stops, so if you’re simply slowing to meet a light that is changing as you approach it stops and immediately to start…. Very silly system… I don’t understand why they changed it….
It shouldn't shutoff before the vehicle stops. That's bad. The vehicle is supposed to come to a full stop then shut off if all parameters are met. Auto hold is cool. Mine has hill assist. If you let you foot off the brake it holds you from rolling backwards.
@@BeardedFordTech shouldn’t being dependent on brand. I addressed it with the service manager at VW and he confirmed that is how the new models behave….
@@rudolphvanthoff1391 that's weird
I turn my start Stop off as soon as i get in my car its a pain in the arse
Okay. Check out the video in the pinned comments. It is your choice. Not telling everyone to use it. But turning it off may actually be causing engine wear. Check out the used oil analysis video in the pinned comments
5=7% depend where and when you drive. if you drive highway, no fuel improvement. if you drive in heavy traffic, theoretically, then you have 10%. this, if you dont use ac. then it stops the engine for 5 secodns. how many ppl drive without ac?
I drive without ac sometimes. Depends on where I am. An no using ac doesn't consume more fuel. Engineering explained did a video on that.
@@BeardedFordTechi drive without ac sometimes as well. this makes you and me. how about hot humid summer, most of the ppl? the ac does use energy. you say, from battery? o!-yes: i am driving ford ranger, and when it stops on red light, engine shuts down for 5 seconds. how much fuel does it save? energy for ac comes from fuel, eventually.
@west_park7993 shut down and restart times vary. Depends on how hot. What your can temp is. What ac setting is. Many different things. I did a video a while back about the parameters that need to be met to shut off. And what things happen that cause it to turn back on. There's a lot of info it looks at in a short amount of time.
I remember Porsche having 2 year service intervals on the 997's & they said it was totally fine, since then I just use my common sense & ignore 'Experts'. I've switched off my ss on my Golf R.
That's fine and dandy. It's not for everyone. I did a used oil analysis video using start stop. Might surprise you.
@@BeardedFordTech Very interesting & I appreciate you effort & sharing your findings. Personally I think it will depend on driving styles & conditions that will give different results. As we know fuel contamination will damage the engine over time if the oil is not changed regular & short trips is the main culprit. So if you are doing short trips your oil will not reach sufficient temp to evaporate the fuel & water so surely if you are using stop-start it will take even longer to get up to temp & allow even more fuel & water to develop?
@alliedfroth I did a used oil analysis using stop start. Check that one out. And yes it does depend on how you drive. But. If it's not on idling then it's not getting fuel dilution. Mine shuts off one time on the way to work. So I guess it depends on how far your job is and how your driving. So yes you are also correct
Could it just use a small capacitor!
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Saves 5-7% ?
No matter, it is annoying.
Yeah it can be. 5-7% is good for people with less income or want the best fuel mileage. Also it's mainly for cities with no idle laws.
I disable it on any vehicle i buy with it.
That's nice
Scotty Kilmer disagress.
I know. He's also says jump starting your car with both running cause the alternators to spin backwards. He's also annoying.
You did not talk about rare on the starter
Because it doesn't ware out a starter like people think. I said they are built more robust to withstand the starting. You would think it would wear it out. But the system is designed to protect the starter and the battery. This is why it won't shut off during certain events. The vehicle is smarter than any human being. People are just used to vehicles from 30 years ago or cause their grandad said it will wear it out. Or that a part failed on their vehicle and they blame it on that particular system. Parts do fail. Yes. But not for reason that people think. Learn how the system operates and connect the dots. I did a video how a start stop system works. All the I formation being sent between modules for the system to work. Go check it out.
More wear on the starter and fly wheel
Oh okay. Thanks for watching. Have a good night.
If you have turbos, they are actually cooled by the engine oil….so if you are running those turbos hard and then shut off the engine….that hot oil is going to get stuck in those turbos…that sounds like a bad idea to me
Turbos are also liquid cooled by coolant. Ecoboost and the 6.7 powerstroke. It's not just oil cooled
@@BeardedFordTech didn't know that, thanks. I've got the 2.7 Ecoboost in the '23 Bronco
@@jackcolt6875 liquid cooled as well.
I always disably the start stop on 22 malibu and keep engine running if i go into a conv store,buy gas. Better for engine and less wear on starter
Not good to fill up while engine is running. Not better for engine to leave running and idling. Causes fuel dilution which thins out and breaks down oil causing engine wear. Not the start stop system. Chevrolet uses a very very weak start stop system. I had a Malibu rental car. Wasn't really impressed. It lagged when it started. Dodge is even worse. Not saying you have to use it by any means. But please for oil longevity and for evap systems longevity turn it off when filling up or going in a store.
@@BeardedFordTech thank u for your response , I thought my engine could handle it cuz I change oil every 5k with synthetic. My 14 focus looks great under valve cover after 147k miles ...I am 58 now and have never had a engine problem with any of the 13 or so cars I have owned .
@leodrosia4369 it's good ypu change it every 5k. But if it keeps running and idling unburned fuel gets passed the piston rings into the oil. This breaks down the oil which means it should be changed earlier. Just shut it off when getting fuel and going into stores and such. It's not going to wear out your starter. And will let the oil do its Jon cause it won't be diluted. Sounds like you keep up on maintenance.
Still a really stupid idea
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It’s a communist feature
Okay if you say so. I think cats a dpf systems are. Vehicles worked just fine without them.
I sore a Scotsman kilmore video now I confuséd
He likes to give out false information and has no idea how a start stop system works. He's just there for views and money.
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I have a hybrid car with stop start. I’m presuming that it has a different stop start system than a conventional non hybrid engine
Yes. Completely different. That one will use the electric motor and switch to gas at certain times. I did find out that a vehicle with stop start is a form of hybrid. Blew my mind
@@BeardedFordTech I thought so. My friend has a stop start petrol (gas only) car and switches it off. He asked me why I dont switch mine off at all times and I said Im pretty sure it uses an electrical ststem not a mechanical starter motor so little chance of extra wear on engine?
@PunkRocker1976 yes it uses an electrical motor to start it. And in all honesty using auto start stop reduces engine wear. I did a used oil analysis video using auto start stop. Show it to your buddy. ruclips.net/video/WMWWtA4YCio/видео.html
@@BeardedFordTech Thanks, Ive sent it on to him
I don't even drive a vehicle so equipped and am already annoyed. How so? I drive an ambulance built on a chassis wired for it. Whenever I take my foot off the brake while in gear, I have to wait nearly a full second before the truck is able to move. That doesn't sound like much, but when you're used to smoother and quicker takeoffs from a dead stop, it's very noticeable.
I work on ambulances. And none of mine are wired for it. Any ambulance I've worked on even at the dealer didn't do what you are referring to. Because they aren't wired for it. They have hill assist. I have two 2021 that do what you talking about and it's because of hill assist. Even on flat ground. Has nothing to do with auto start stop. Even if it was wired for it. It wouldn't cause thay because it would be deactivated so it doesn't shut off. Are your ambulances gas or the diesel. Are they the ford's or dodge? Dodge is a totally different thing. There was one hospital around here that had dodge ones and they returned them cause they had so many problems and complaints.
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Okay. I'll look for that. I live in Florida, where hills are rarely a concern. I'm just used to a vehicle pulling forward when in gear and the brake disengaged
@Just1American1966 yeah its done on purpose to keep you from smashing into the car in front of you. People don't pay attention. I'm sure being an ambulance driver you know this. What part of florida?
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Southeast, north of Palm Beach and south of Daytona Beach.
i have idea: on the oil path install a cylinder with a piston and a spring. when the oil pump starts, the cylinder fills up with oil against the spring. when the engine stops, the spring pushes oil out, and maintains some oil flow for some time. is this genius or super-stupid?
Um that's literally a variable oil pump. Thats what vehicles have in them.
@@BeardedFordTech so i rediscovered the circle is round. how long ago and why did they introduced this pump? i guess, it was used as a dampener between low and high revolutions. my idea is about continued oil pressure and flow after the pump stops moving.
@west_park7993 this pump is used in ford. It's to regulate oil.lressure at low rpm and high rpm and different temp ranges. Uses a spring and a solenoid. India a video on how it works a few weeks ago
@@BeardedFordTech so, we are on the same page then. my idea was to provide oil to bearings, if it is necessary. guess, if you can provide a few more hours, then the dry-start next morning will not be so bad.
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starter will wear quicker, no reason for this nonsense- disable it ASAP
Ohhh. You know what. Your right. I'm wrong. Guess all the training and learning how the system works and dissecting the parts taught me all wrong. How foolish of me. I'll listen to a person who doesnt do this everyday. Teach me your ways. Thanks for watching
@@BeardedFordTech just a shill for the car makers- doesnt save any gas and parts wear quicker - others posted they see more worn out starters- then when it fails your car is dead at a light on the hightway instead of being dead in a parking lot or driveway when starter fails creating a huge hazard
@bikeman1x11 you know how many I've replaced cause of this system? None. It does save fuel. It's limited to 10 stops unless you go over 35mph between those 10 stops. It does not wear out a starter any quicker than going I to the gas station or grocery store or remote start. Check out engineering explained. He does a real good in depth. Maybe learn how the system works. Stop listening to Johnny bravo blame a system that's not at fault. I've replaced one starter under warranty. And it was a broken solenoid wire. Thats not due to the stop start. I hear aot of Honda techs replace them all the time. Their system is very weak. Same with Chrysler. Chrysler actually has a very small battery that controls theirs. It does not wear out a starter any slower or faster. It is as close to possible at the same rate. Now. Everyone drives different and I understand that. But please read how the system works to fully understand.
I'm not a fan of Auto start/stop but be aware that disabling it with a trailer plug tester will also turn off other features. Parking assist and Cross Traffic Alert for example.
That is true. I know how to disable it without a computer. But I'm not saying on here. I'm not being g held responsible for that. But yes you are correct. Cause it thinks a trailer is connected.