The Absence of Compassion | Devdutt Pattanaik | Pant Plus 1
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- In February, 2020 - @devduttmyth told us about the problem in the 'fight' between the right and the left - in the midst of a very tumultous time in India.
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Sorabh will have no Idea wth is going on in the comments😂😂😂😂😂
Is this episode going to be available in Spotify?
@@skadoosh3685 Kindly click the link above - Spotify is also there.
@@pantonfire Thanks! My brain too is on lockdown it seems. Just finished listening to this episode. Devdutt Patnaik so damn fascinating. Great work!
He's a wise man. We can all learn something from him. Because he understands history very well. We all remember the dates and names but not the lessons.
I fully agree with him when he says that empathy or compassion is missing from intellectual discourse. I myself have been a part of it, and it would be false if I say that I haven't used my head in order to feel safe and secure. And in doing that, I must have offended or made somebody feel bad.
You'll be actually liberated when you realise this... Sab pagal hai.. Sab jhiit bol rahe hai.. Sab apna agenda chala rhe hai.. Koi articulately.. Koi provocatively...
Hope all realise this
Am I going to die alone
Sab Moh, Maya hai 😶
Wow🔥 He was like targeting left wing by making fun of right wing!! 😂😂😂😂
That's what you call a paradox
Now leftist are angry and rightist are ferocious after listening to him. :D
True , Left should try to simplify there words to show thier vision . And I dont think Right wing people are that Dumb to understand 😂
@@niyantasarkar yeah, just read some comments & replies...
The notion of being here first just cause you commented first is a "myth".
My thought process is much like that of devdutt sir, though in a miniscule level
#me too🤣
@Tanmay Singh tujhe kaise pata ki usee nahi pata be.kisi ne bola iss liye.
Sorry for u
Devdutt is truly a post modernist. It requires a lot of wisdom and intellectualism to get out of the hegemony of current political narrative. In fact he is beyond any cultural and social hegemony too. Way to go. Everything is truly a myth. A man with an ego will never realise that. Everyone is hell bent in proving their point.
I wish he would write a proper theoretical book on postmodernist theory in the Indian sense
ruclips.net/video/vtkMFLuOa3M/видео.html thank me later!
Might be a basic question - but why are all "intellectuals" considered as "left liberals" and why are all "right" considered "uneducated stubborns"?!
It is nothing but stereotyping by a narrow minded perspective which calls itself "LIBERAL"
I think Devdutt was talking about his trolls specifically. Otherwise I don't think these prototypes of the left and right are true at all.
Because if you dont brand them as stupid you will have to listen to their opinion and listening to opinions of others is not a specialty of people who call themselves liberal in India. There are enough people on Twitter on the sane side of right leaning group who have challenged Mr. Patnaik multiple times with difficult questions. It is easier for him to just brand everyone under lynchers and other buzzwords in media than to answer legit questions.
Yeah right I agree with Saurabh, Devdutt was talking about trolls. But there is still a bit of prejudice, the trolls on th left are also violent , but not the extent that trolls of the right are... Ultimately, it's just ppl being lazy in thier perception on the other kind and finding it easy to stereotype and strawman
I don't know enough about the right and left wings in India, but from what I've seen on RUclips about the USA, the right, with people like Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, Dennis Prager is far more intelligent than the left
Fascinating!! I find his detachment and fundamental empathy very freeing, transcending. Great guest, Sorabh.
Mr. Pattanaik simplified twitter for me. Now I wont get mad all the time while scrolling throughtwitter. Thanks
His own twitter is quite shady if you dig enough.
@@prasadnanote549 ofc you will find it shady
I'm so much convinced by his perspective and at the same time I think is he trying to sell his cult of looking from a distance. Said what he said, how do you bring a harmonious understanding between left n right. The complexity of it leaves me lost.
Exactly. Well said
The point he's making is exactly the same. The complexity of it isn't that easy. It seems easy to the adamant people on left or right but i reality there is no fix because existence of difference is not a problem but the way you deal with it is
@@rishabhmishra9230 How do you deal with it? If non violent debate and discussion is bad, how do you deal with it?
@@BertRussie I didn't say it's bad.
@@rishabhmishra9230 he said it is and you are defending his position. He talks about listening to each other while criticising the left for wanting civil debates. Things doesn't add up unless what you want to be is a distant spectator enjoying the mess
8:32 When you say you don’t know anything, it’s so natural. Most of us don’t know anything. Your response impressed Sorabh
🔥🔥🔥🔥 I literally enjoyed this conversation. Thanks Sorabh for this...
I watched his show Devlok, listened to his podcast, and doing this from the time of 2014. but he is a different person on Twitter, he even blocked intellectual comments and critiques on twitter. and saying that the right doesn't have a brain describes a lot about him
I have read Shri Patnaik s book...it is one of the best works I have come across...by chance that too....I feel grateful we have such a brilliant mind among us... collaboration over argument..such a great point. I ve read the book twice...and still can't get enough of it...
Ian astonished how @souravpant can keep quite for such a long time ...bravo man!!
Brilliant!! The perspective was so new.
I never really thought about the classic left v/s right debate in terms of cultural, intellectual and economical manner as explained by Devdutt sir.
Great Conversation.
Devdutt patnaik is the only person who can explain mythology to youngsters
I would still not listen to this...
@@uncannyroaches5933 why?
I appreciate your opinion, but I d still reiterate that thinking what he offers is actually real "mythology" is a fool's claim. I would suggest you to hear out people such as Amish Tripathi, Nityanand Misra, etc to know more about the Itihasa.
@@thenightking5161 I follow him from a long time and I belive that his representation of mythology is great.
Even Amish and Nithyananda Mishra are also good, but I like his books more than anyone due to its rawness in presenting mythology
@@helloworld8058 Appreciate it, as the end result should be the growth of interest in our heritage, but still I don't really like his distortions. Secondly, I ve been reading his works since quite some time myself. They are fun, ngl, but with not the most correct information.
never really thought about left vs right intellectualism this way. I am a complete liberal and open minded person but always fallen into the trap of explaining things to conservatives and never really respecting their background. really an eye opener. definitely going to try to have more empathy towards their thinking. but any ideas how to tackle this argument if they are incapable of listening to you and they just want to lynch you?
just agree with them for the time and save yourself from getting lynch
@@pankaj_9998 Or bow to the left and leave your homes with no hope of returning after 30 yrs.The left also sweeps its violence under the rug quite nicely but you have trained yourself to see one side of the coin only.
@@darwinianchimp2630 Where is the violence? In India ,which left party has done that?
Not every RW lynch people
@@dbmdrums1105 Congress sponsored sikh massacre of 84,political killing of right in kerala and Northeast,PDP-NC supported KP killings and exodus.Try to see both side of the coin and then judge yourself.
Very sensible opinion of Pattanaikji
Loved your chess match today!!
Lol. Surprised I didn't make the final.
The irony of this video!! Have you seen this man's tweets? Good lord!!
What an explanation he gave about left and right..Bro awesome ..
Devdutt has given me a new perspective in life.
Excellent. Please do more interviews like this.
Big fan of Devdutt Sir, watched all the serials curated by him.....
What about Kanhaiya, Yogendra Yadav etc who speak the tongue of a common man?
The irony of his statements lie in the fact where on one side he is talking about compassion and empathy and on the other hand he himself lacks those when talking about people.
can you quote an instance in this video? I couldn't quite catch the irony here
@@dillippanda5798 Twitter Dekh uska
Exactly what I wanted to say.
@@dillippanda5798 Him calling all right wingers as lynchers and non-intellectual. Caveman hai kya saare right winger. People are more complex, they can't be cartoonised as being unintelligent, non able to express themselves through words. And if right winger opposes the use of gender pronoun, it is not bcos that they don't understand it. Just follow Jordan Peterson, Sam Harris, Ben Shapiro or any other right wing speaker.. it is dangerous and unfair to strawman the whole narrative of the right..
And also saying that all left winger are brahmin intelligent and all-knowing, he is already making a pseudo-castesim comment. Since he portrayed left as being upper class know all and right as unwashed lower class who are like children and have to be dealt with. Btw I am fan of his work.
@@gauravgandi1398 i don't see any fault in his assessment. An intellectual Right winger is an aberration at best. It is pretty obvious to anyone who has functioning eyes and ears that those low on IQ points almost always tend to lean heavily on the Right. The Left is visibly dominated by the intellectual kind. Even a militant Leftist would score higher on vocabulary than an average high school graduate.
BTW I don't know where you got that idea, but Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris definitely are not Right wing speakers. Both of them are self declared Liberals. Ben Shapiro is a rare intelligent Right winger but definitely isn't an 'intellectual'. He debates well and speaks fast but even I, who's of average intelligence, could find the faults in his logic when I heard him speaking closely and analyzed his speech.
Very interesting point of view .I accept his perspective by being compassionate to the nascent fallacies in his arguments .
This video was sooo good, so educational and so knowledgeable. Devdutta is truly an inspiration.
The idea of compromised center which will blame both sides but has no solution with it. This is the easiest and laziest stand you can take. "Kids throw tantrums and should be understood for it" , sure but then again you don't let your kid run your house would you, if you did, you'd have a lot of candy by no water and electricity
I wanna listen more from him please 😭🙏 make it an hour long podcast 💪🏻🤘🏻
Got blown by this new perspective . Hats off.
Love your these kinds of interviews
When you work with people who don't understand you, that's maturity...
Wise..
When you call left argumentative and right as dum violent gorillas .This is the problem,you have tags left ,right and what else and then you have this entire discussion ,which involves empathy .Ppl are fools and when one fools stands a top a pedestal and screams aloud of some bullshit the other fools call him intellectual leftists .This entire discussion is pathetic.But none the less somewhat informative.
Ek bar twitter khol ke dekhna phir reality check. kar lena🙏
@@aryanbhan3594 Don't form your opinion based on twitter. That's probably the worst way to see the world. Twitter duniya nahi hai.. and let's just face it. Most Indians are not on twitter. And most ppl don't even voice thier own opinions. They just say stuff that will get them more likes and RTs
You should watch charvaka and sham sharma podcasts they call out both left and right bullshit they really talk about issues in a comprehensive manner.
True that. The very fact that he calls right is imbecile is what is being on a high horse is. He has become what he swore to destroy 😂😂😂😂
@@nishant16781 sham sharma is biased.
But I believe the left and right labelling shouldn't be done. Both have flaws and need to be corrected to go further
glad i found you, i have political opinion and i feel strong urge to argue to prove other person wrong. but i also understand that all this political debates in comment section is not at all fruitful all it does is to create hatred among people with different opinion.
*also* some people are also raising point that he labels left and right as pseudo intellectual and goons, okay but you have too understand that he is talking about the overall effect of this online fight going that is loss of compassion, and understanding of other person, and in general how much we have separated our self from one another due to some ideology which hardy matter us in real life.
internet was meant to connect people and enlightenment with knowledge not to separate and fight.
If somebody said "you're a myth", Amit would be like "yes"
Man, really liked it. You should do more often by bringing more such ideologists like this Mr Devdutt.
Definitely taken aback by his identification of feminist, amongst a few other statements including the preceding one (of course). We would expect something better from a man of his stature.
I used to listen devdutt pattanaik show on 98.3 FM using ganna app.. I really like his thoughts his was of looking things. But I used to imagine he will be slim as his voice but yes we should respect everything ... I just say what I feel.
Big fan of Devdutt Sir, even though I am leftist atheist
He is correct. The left wing should have compassion for cow vigilantes
😁😁😁😁 very well said.
😂😂
Is that what he's saying?
RW being RW.
Anyone I don't agree with,is a Cow vigilante amirite fellow liberals?
Devdutt is so fun and smart all at the same time
Can't believe this same man has a radio show about religion :D He's awesome :D
This is a great conversation! Pls keep more of this coming!
Absolutely love Devdutt sir
I believe in rightist but I am not violent
People who say right wings don't have minds, they really need to do some research. A basic one will also help them.
It's okaayy...
I'm a fan of devdutt pattnaik
This guy is a quack. His translation is inaccurate, hardly an expert. Yet celebrated.
Will never get into a debate on how he translates. Hardly subject to scrutiny.
Actually 🤣
Yes Truly said his sanskrit translation is totally wrong. I think his books should be banned.
Who according to you has the best translations and books written?
Check out Dr Rajiv Malhotra - The battle of Sanskrit, Indra’s Net, Being Different, Breaking India
Demolishing devdatt ruclips.net/video/vtkMFLuOa3M/видео.html
Combo🔥
Devdutt Patnaik gave some valuable inputs. Especially cultural left and right vis a vis economic left and right. But I cannot understand what is there to guffaw about?!
Refreshing video.
This was the perfect video to have that yt Vs tiktok clickbait
The difference between cultural and economic. Well said.
I think he meant economic and political aspect of left and right . Wth is "cultural" !
Take china for example . They are economically right but politically left .
@@vahsirartapaham4578 I think I understood the "cultural". It's how the ideals and ethics of a certain ideology permeate the cultural behaviour of people. So there are people who are left-liberal in thought but when it comes to policies and economy they are not a fan of that.
So it's good for the ethic building in the society but not so much when it comes to economy and policy development.
Me, a doctor, an intellectual Right wing guy, disagrees with him with simple not so intellect simple division of right & left, it's not black & white, its multiple shades of grey.
Circle jerk hai, karne do.
You are a doctor so you're an intellectual? Lol .
Self proclaimed intellectual.
He's only talking about the extreme left & right on the spectrum i.e the real lunatics.
Love the discourse. He is bashing everyone. 😁
Pattnaik should have a conversation with Ashish Dhar. Would love to see the interesting turn of events :-)
Saurabh bro .please upload whole video.
Great interview
This guy is best salesman of himself.
Ps. I wanna buy his books man
This man is a gem
Sorabh please do more podcasts. Don't want to compare but we need more joe Rogan type of podcast and i think yours are best, just like how you let the guests speak and many more things, loved all the podcasts.✌️
Hello there's 10 episodes of pant plus 1 out there :). Do watch, see the playlist.
@@pantonfire I did, we want more.😅
No one:
Sorabh: "Hmmm"
"Right"
this was just amazing !
Wholesome video for today
Please release the full video
i can like hear devdutt sir hundred of hour and still bot get bored of him..he has thet ponential to explain things
There will always be a difference of opinion. How else are we going to address it. Isn't non-violent debate the only way around it? How else should we do it? How can we validate the violence as well?
Debate indeed is the best way to resolve anything .
He just meant do not be placing yourself (left) on pedestals intellectually , unnecessary creating a class difference and thinking that the rules YOU made has to be followed by everyone. Because diversity duh...
*"*cries in centrism*"*
OK .. let me Digest...
Full video please
Wow.
Man this man is a genius
the point is Mr. Datt is jack of all topics, but not have complete understanding one any topic.... due to which he is creating some new theories
That's why I believe sab jhoot hai. Arnab and ravish Kumar are two sides of same coin. Leftists admire ravish because he glorifies them. Right wingers admire arnab because he glorifies right wing. Even though I myself support nationalism but I respect left liberals. And I see so many people saying that right wing uses violence. You think that because you watch left biased media. Right wing thinks the same about you because they watch right biased media. Peace
Nationalism has nothing to do with the right wing. Being a leftist does not make you anti national. The right wing somehow believes that supporting bjp=being a nationalist. When in reality, nationalism is not specific to a political ideology or party.
Ooh let's see some comments
All Right winged laathibaaz people are absolutely triggered in the comments section doing exactly what Devdutt sir said they would. Well pratyaksh ko pramaan ki avyashakta nhi hoti.
this was the best one.
pattanaik sir op
Congrats, now you are officially a liberandu. :)
getting deleted in 5..4..3..2..1..
The way pant laughs is so fucked up
Damn this guy is intelligent.
Wow 👏👏👏
Some triggered right EXTREMIST will be found in the comment section.
Note: extremist is in capital.
Or u can find in the below comment (maybe).
Just out of curiosity, if according to him right is intellectually handicapped and that, cultural right is equal to Hinduism and all such things then what is his expertise on? mythology of the intellectually handicapped cultural right? but then he seems to be making good name and fame serving the intellectual discourse embedded in those mythology? doesn't that sound contradictory? or is his scope of view too limited?
👏 👏 That's a very valid argument. I'm not sure how many understood what u wrote but its Spot On 👌
Oh so you've already decided that mythology belongs to the right? If you listen to his first 2 minutes, you would not be making such an invalid and stupid comment.. so, his point is proven.. also, don't twist your arguments just to prove that you are also an intellectual cause that is really desperate..
@@SinghalLouis You seemed to have completely skipped the word "if..." Some people really don't understand the significance of vocabulary 🤷♂️ Seems to me like you are the one begging attention here. Make your own statement and wait for similar replies from people who think alike. Why do you want to counter somebody else's opinion ? Doing so, makes YOU feel more intellectual?
@@SinghalLouis Bro, don't get offended but I got to put this hard simply because of the astounding levels of naiveness that you depicted in your comment. It shows that you have absolutely no idea of the left and so get it from me, if you wish.
Collectively, Left denounces religion almost to the extent of non-existence and Communism, the torch-bearer of left denounces it altogether. I actually denounces all identities except it's self i.e. communist. That's why they use comrade so-and-so even while mentioning names. They deny nation/state identity, sectorial identity, religious identity and any other possible kind of identity. You don't need to believe me, you can verify this for yourself as this is very well documented.
Having said that, I am extremely eager to learn and understand your rationale behind your comment that mythology, most of which are based on religious stories if not all, can be attributed to anyone other than the right?
Honestly, I'm waiting for your answer.
@@ahamasmiarinm naivety is subjective.. you think left means atheist, which could be true only in context to China's communist ideology, but if you know anything about left in countries like India or Russia or Cuba, you wouldn't be making such childish conclusions.. I am from Kerala and so I can tell you that there are very few atheist left-leaning individuals in Kerala or Bengal, it would be the same number, as that of atheists in any other state in India, irrespective of their political beliefs, so that's that.. and therefore your comment on the Right wing as the sole custodian of mythology is uninformed and naive!
So funny I didn't want this conversation to end!
Left hit with intelligence... Bengal know that very well
ok was he just like, left shouldn't say stuff because they'll get beaten up ?
Jealousy is in your voice.
Coming from a guy who completely misinterpreted gita his book "my gita" is the last book in the world i would suggest you to read i have been recently studying various book of philosophy and religions his books are not good and misleading i would suggest you bhagvad gita as it is,if you don't want any gods then zen: it is a mixture of buddhism and taoism and some hinduism concepts but if you want extreme practical philosophy with no gods no religion then stoicism mainly books of marcus aurelius my personal preference will be for zen
According to him (Devdutt), he is very intelligent but he is ignorant about ground realities and that is why he is just generalizing everything. According to him
1.Right wingers don't have people who can debate so they hit, are you sure about that??
So BJP is a not right wing party as everybody say it is?
Late Atal Bihari Vajpai(Superb Orator), Narendra Modi, late Sushma Swaraj ji, Smriti Irani, late Arun Jately, Sudhanshu Trivedi, Sambit Patra they all are great speakers and there are many more such examples like Arnab Gowswami too :P
2. Every one from Left is Shashi Tharoor??
What about 1984 riots??
What about kerala where RSS people are being killed on almost daily basis??
Kerala governer was stopped from speaking just because he was saying something they didn't like.
My suggesstion is don't generalize things because we have all kinds of people with different ideologies in this country.
you lost me at Sambit Patra. btw great orator and debater are different things, modes is good orator, he debate skills can be put to question though..
Blackbird Sambit Patra is a good debater, he speaks well, he didn’t hit anybody that’s what I meant. Obviously orator and debater are different, but in case of Atal ji he could debate as well.
@@Blackbird90 I don't like Sambit Patra but I think for maulana ppl he is best 😂
@@bhimamalbhage3927 no he is not because he does not do anything to bring sustainable change in those maulanas...he himself is religious... neither those maulanas nor sambit patra should get tv time..
@@amitrankwar874 again you should watch kanhiya kumar or the xlri professor destroying him...
Kaha the yar ithne dinn
Him saying that jnu people who say "hindustan, tere tukdey hogay hazar" are highly intellectual is an insult of all the intellectuals in this country. Devdutt is really good with his stuff ( which is still debatable considering the mistakes in his books ) but that doesn't mean hes good at politics too. Him saying that right wing people are animals is a naive and nonsensical statement.
Cultural left isnt about atheism chutiya, it’s about inclusivity and pluralism, it’s about acceptance.
Dudeeee please kardo conan ke saath podcast plss
Dude, put entire podcast with a person at a time.