If they'd remove the camping spots for one team only, and fixed the spawn locations it wouldn't be a bad map, it's better than the actual American Desert, Italy (even new one), Alaska and Sweden in my opinion. But as always it's way too small for the modern era.
The Senate no it doesnt bounce nor shatter.modern apfsds have huge l/d ratios that bouncing doesnt occur. I can provide you pictures of perforation at very very extreme angles if you want. And Tungsten is alloyed with stuff like nickel throught sintering which turns it into WHA (tungsten heavy alloy) this is done so that matterial isnt extremely brittle upon impact and doesnt „shatter“. Same thing for DU. Soviets alloyed Uranium 238 with zirconium and americans alloy it with titanium to prevent this „shattering“ issue. They also have a ballistic cap at the front of them to distribute the striking force evenly onto the surface of the penetrator core to ensure it doesnt shatter. According to chinese tests an apfsds must have a very low l/ ratio (smaller than 15) and must be slower than 1000 m/s to actually bounce off from the surface it strikes which is not how modern apfsds are. Even dm23 120mm from year 1983 has l/d ratio of 16.8:1 and has muzzle velocity of around 1650 m/s when fired from the l44 , 105mm dm33 has a similar l/d ratio and around 1450 m/s muzzle velocity when fired from the l7a3 so yeah these things wont bounce
@@aleksanderf4672 they should fix it instead of adding useless vehicles , its not impossible either. look at what actionscripter has done with GHPC. he has very limited manpower and resources compared to gaijin but still manages to make a way better functioning apfsds model in ghpc compared to war thunder
@@timothyscherer9163 GHPC I will talk about when it's released. I simply do not know anything about it right now. I'm thinking in terms of finding the simplest solution, preferably one that is already in game and apfsds "shattering" instead of ricochetting seems like the most efficient one. But this is just YT comment. Maybe after a year or so of complaining on the forums...maybe.
They downgraded the gunner thermals on the 2A5 in case you had not seen. If you switch between commanders thermals and gunner thermals youll notice it.
Not best to watch this at midnight with work later, but I wasn't gonna miss among the first properish reviews on the dark horse of high tier this patch.
Playing with thermals is just too easy and at the same time really enjoyable and relaxing. Is good that Germany got a 9.3 tank with thermals. Kpz radcampf and leopard 2k are just too weak without thermals and this new add makes this br for Germany really better 🇩🇪
Yeah even though m48S is made of tissue paper, at 9.3 it's DM33 pen and the thermals make it very lethal against soviets as they don't get all the fancy ERA at that tier. As soon as you jump in a Leo2 you get roflstomped by T-80's and 72's
I was looking forward to a great review of this tank. Looking to grind the German tree for tanks I thought that this might be a good addition. Quick question: should I go for this after the KpZ or go for the Leo 2K first?
I’d go KPZ first because the stock grind for that tank is not bad.. The leo2K is only useful as a back up for the leo2A4 because you will always be up tiered.
I‘d go for the Leo because there is no point in playing 9.3 because you only fight type 90s, M1A2s T80Us and the gun is just not good enough it only has 350mm of pen which is nowhere near strong enough to even slightly hurt any tank in a hull-down position. The Leo is faster with a better gun and both get oneshot by anything they face anyways so I’d pick mobility and firepower over the ATGM (which is the only advantage the kpz has).
Maybe if the matchmaker changes in the next few days the kph might be worth it but rn it just can’t compete with the uptiers. In the 40 rounds i had in it I had one in its own BR and no downtier.
thanks for showing where it sits in the tech tree for more continuity and context! this is a very quirky looking tank and i love it! looks like something straight out of Area 51
Hey Justin! I asked you to play this tank a few days ago! Thank you so much for the great content! I was skeptical of this vehicle but now I'm definitely going to pick it up!
Justin have you played the Type 16? It’s got gem 3 thermals in both gunner and CITV. Great APFSDS and super mobility. The only drawback it has is the borked hull break which shafts you frequently. All at the same BR.
i think any of those shots on those helis would've taken them down. and APFSDS round going at hypersonic velocities would wreak absolute HAVOC on that airframe
Hey Justin. Wanted to know if you’d ever want to play some low BR USSR matches. I have a few goodies I can bring to the table hopefully to make it more interesting and challenging 😃 keep up the amazing vids
Was an editing mistake on my part, two different clips merged into one with little context. Didnt realize it until after it was published so I left it in.
The reason why you don't see many strikers anymore is because in 1.97 they changed the way ATGMs are guided so now its far more difficult to pull those meme shots with it.
I really don't get how an apfsds round shot straight at a Heli can result in "target undamaged"? It has happened to me so many times. And I get the whole over pen argument but unless you hit a round tangent to the body curve of a Heli, it can't remain undamaged.
the only thing you get worthwhile from the m48 super at 9.3 is the thermals... the rest is crap --- mobility and armor are pretty useless especially when going against soviet tanks
Not really looking to get it but to see how well will it do in the battle field as a new tank to the germans because im working on the german mbt's and im currently about to buy the leopard 2a4. But i need silver lions so im going to buy the premium japanese f4u a1 because i heard it is just a flying silver lion machine and it cost only 1150 GE
More new lower tier thermal tanks with donkey rounds make for a much more enjoyable time for people who get them, but I doubt it for those Russian players getting farmed in their horrible horrible grind of tanks without thermals. I wonder if we'll see any sort of thermal balancing in the future, doubtful but it's going to be off-putting to creep thermals in everywhere for any tank, or tank line for that matter, that for some reason doesn't get them due to historical, but not gameplay and balance reasons.
i some how have the feeling this tank will face the same problems as the Challenger at top tier sure it has a good gun and sure the fire controller system is top notch but its to big and to slow to do any thing meaning full right out of the gate at the start of the match pair that with absolutely TRASH armor and you have a machine thats only good at camping. its dead content imo will probably still get it since gaijin will add something new to that line at some point
So this tank gets commander thermals while it never had commander thermals IRL.. Hell it does not have even a CITV modelled but i guess germans never can get enough handholding.
@@TT-cf8dz not like germans around 9.0 Just look at lineup from 8.7 to now 9.3 they all play in same matches most of time. All fast meta vehicles with geat gun and good negative elevation. Problem is they are adding USA vehicles into German nation. So whats the point of playing USA then if germany will have their vehicles?
@@TT-cf8dz other nations have too??, Let me show you how OP German is www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/gmeovj/average_winrate_statistic_from_thunderskill/
@@90kuky well russians also have good guns, with weak mobility but better armor. And speaking about USA vehicles into german TT, yes, i agree with u. We can get Wiesel, Marder, Puma, Luchs, or even leopard 2 140mm, leopard 2a0/a1/a2/a3 or newer versions of leopard 1(a2,a3,a4,a5). At least M48 Super is heavy upgraded by the germans, its like their version. But a german made would be much better. Now the italians get m18 and shermans, instead of pz4 and tiger. Nice Gayjin.
@@kochiyoshi yeah, very OP. Its not like americans just rush, die, and blame the game and "leopard 2a5 op gaijin nerf u nazi". Oe they just don t know how to use their tank advantage. And from 9 nations, first is Sweden, then France, then USSR, then Italy, then Germany. Germany is on the 5th place from 9. We also have the second most expensive to repair MBT. Speaking about 9.0, yeah, we have big winrate. And not just cuz kpz is op, we learnd how to play these tanks. Tell me how the kpz is op? It has great mobility, weak armor and weak gun(weak apfsds and weak accuracy). Also it was moved to 9.3 with 17s reload for its atgm. Learn how to use ur tank before commenting. But i don t think u have top tier. I u have, i think u play america, thats why muricans have low winrate.
I'm not sure why you played up this vehicle as so good - it's really not! It's mobility sucks, it's armour is completely useless at this BR, even 8.3 is going to pen and it's reload is the same as so many 8.7 BR tanks. it only has a 105mm cannon and the DM33 is overkill at this BR - the DM23 is enough to kill pretty much anything unless uptiered, in which case this tank is going to get wrecked. All it has is the good thermals. Am I missing something here?
408 mm penetration stabilizer avarage mobiliti/armor Thermal!!!! why is it 9.3? ... it should be almost equivalent with Leopard 2K... but it has no thermal so it can be better than the 2K at some points! but 2K has only 393mm pen. so this should be an absolutly ultimate 9.3 vehicle!
Maybe it's just me, but this thing doesn't belong at 9.3 right? That's saying it's as good as other 9.3 tanks like the XM-1, MBT-70 and Kpz-70, etc. when it's worse in loads of ways. The hull is crappy by 8.3, the turret is only good for HEAT-FS when the main round by 8.7 is APFSDS much less 9.3, and otherwise the mobility is lackluster at 9.3. I mean I guarantee it could be fun sometimes, but 9.3 is dicey to say the least. I'd say it belongs at 8.7 or MAYBE 9.0 because of it's shortcomings but that's just my 2 cents. Otherwise actually excited for the tank when I get it though Edit: I'd say 9.0 would be great after seeing the video. The firepower is great, great ammo, thermals and commander thermal, and useful mobility. But the armor is crap, the mobility is hit or miss depending on the br match you get
God seeing you play American desert makes me really think warthunder should take a break from adding vehicles and work maps and other game issues
Since when is the map middle east called as american desert
If they'd remove the camping spots for one team only, and fixed the spawn locations it wouldn't be a bad map, it's better than the actual American Desert, Italy (even new one), Alaska and Sweden in my opinion. But as always it's way too small for the modern era.
I'm pretty sure some maps are one-sided *intentionally.* Too many have unfair advantages for some spawns.
@@288gto7 since they discovered oil in that place
instablaster.
yo i was the guy in that abandoned factory match. didn't know u had a channel but ur content is pretty cool so i subbed lol
same thing happened to me. he killed me when he was playing the ztz96. i was an abrams
13:55 gaijin should probably look into apfsds ricochet mechanics
Yeah absolute bs. Apfsds doesnt bounce unless it goes slower than 1000 m/s
The Senate no it doesnt bounce nor shatter.modern apfsds have huge l/d ratios that bouncing doesnt occur. I can provide you pictures of perforation at very very extreme angles if you want. And Tungsten is alloyed with stuff like nickel throught sintering which turns it into WHA (tungsten heavy alloy) this is done so that matterial isnt extremely brittle upon impact and doesnt „shatter“. Same thing for DU. Soviets alloyed Uranium 238 with zirconium and americans alloy it with titanium to prevent this „shattering“ issue. They also have a ballistic cap at the front of them to distribute the striking force evenly onto the surface of the penetrator core to ensure it doesnt shatter. According to chinese tests an apfsds must have a very low l/ ratio (smaller than 15) and must be slower than 1000 m/s to actually bounce off from the surface it strikes which is not how modern apfsds are. Even dm23 120mm from year 1983 has l/d ratio of 16.8:1 and has muzzle velocity of around 1650 m/s when fired from the l44 , 105mm dm33 has a similar l/d ratio and around 1450 m/s muzzle velocity when fired from the l7a3 so yeah these things wont bounce
I think that darts should have their ricochet mechanic changed. But the only way to model it in game like you say would be the "shatter".
@@aleksanderf4672 they should fix it instead of adding useless vehicles , its not impossible either. look at what actionscripter has done with GHPC. he has very limited manpower and resources compared to gaijin but still manages to make a way better functioning apfsds model in ghpc compared to war thunder
@@timothyscherer9163 GHPC I will talk about when it's released. I simply do not know anything about it right now.
I'm thinking in terms of finding the simplest solution, preferably one that is already in game and apfsds "shattering" instead of ricochetting seems like the most efficient one. But this is just YT comment.
Maybe after a year or so of complaining on the forums...maybe.
They downgraded the gunner thermals on the 2A5 in case you had not seen. If you switch between commanders thermals and gunner thermals youll notice it.
And I thought they only changed the gunner for the m1a2 aswell but the commander looks the same
@@raf_tml the commander thermals on the m1a2 are the same as the gunners.
It's not really that much of a downgrade though, doesn't affect my performance in it at all.
Just a suggestion but it would be great if u can show your game rp and silver lions after each match :)
Not best to watch this at midnight with work later, but I wasn't gonna miss among the first properish reviews on the dark horse of high tier this patch.
Playing with thermals is just too easy and at the same time really enjoyable and relaxing. Is good that Germany got a 9.3 tank with thermals. Kpz radcampf and leopard 2k are just too weak without thermals and this new add makes this br for Germany really better 🇩🇪
Yeah even though m48S is made of tissue paper, at 9.3 it's DM33 pen and the thermals make it very lethal against soviets as they don't get all the fancy ERA at that tier. As soon as you jump in a Leo2 you get roflstomped by T-80's and 72's
I was looking forward to a great review of this tank. Looking to grind the German tree for tanks I thought that this might be a good addition. Quick question: should I go for this after the KpZ or go for the Leo 2K first?
I'd say build a lineup for the 9.3 area first before moving ahead.
Sounds good. (Btw, I appreciate the close connectivity with the community, shows some heart and dedication! :D)
I’d go KPZ first because the stock grind for that tank is not bad.. The leo2K is only useful as a back up for the leo2A4 because you will always be up tiered.
I‘d go for the Leo because there is no point in playing 9.3 because you only fight type 90s, M1A2s T80Us and the gun is just not good enough it only has 350mm of pen which is nowhere near strong enough to even slightly hurt any tank in a hull-down position. The Leo is faster with a better gun and both get oneshot by anything they face anyways so I’d pick mobility and firepower over the ATGM (which is the only advantage the kpz has).
Maybe if the matchmaker changes in the next few days the kph might be worth it but rn it just can’t compete with the uptiers. In the 40 rounds i had in it I had one in its own BR and no downtier.
Justin you’ve gotten me into this game and you keep me entertained every video. Thank you for the awesome content man.
Finally this thing is so cool!
Irrelevant
@@alissa2791 agreed
germany doesn't need another patton tank. Stuff like the radkampfwagen 90 is what we want
thanks for showing where it sits in the tech tree for more continuity and context!
this is a very quirky looking tank and i love it! looks like something straight out of Area 51
Shooting DM 33 at any tank at your BR - oneshots. Shooting DM 33 at helicopter - 16:58
Hey Justin! I asked you to play this tank a few days ago! Thank you so much for the great content! I was skeptical of this vehicle but now I'm definitely going to pick it up!
Justin have you played the Type 16? It’s got gem 3 thermals in both gunner and CITV. Great APFSDS and super mobility. The only drawback it has is the borked hull break which shafts you frequently. All at the same BR.
Everytime you hit a helicopter “suffer damage to a tail” ah yes a super sonic shell will only damage a tail of a helicopter
can you make video about Me 410 B6/R3
how does the reader work in it any tips?
the teddy bear at the top of the tank was a nice touch
i think any of those shots on those helis would've taken them down. and APFSDS round going at hypersonic velocities would wreak absolute HAVOC on that airframe
17:14 when the puberty leaves your voice faster than your apfsds leaves your barrel
Another brilliant video Justin!
If a m48 super can get up there Muh abrooms will and that's my new spot.
You have any tips for sniping? I always lose patience and hold w to push. Or i flatout see them too late.
"Yes torque! give me all the torque" where is all the torque going?
To join Chimera Squad
Hey Justin. Wanted to know if you’d ever want to play some low BR USSR matches. I have a few goodies I can bring to the table hopefully to make it more interesting and challenging 😃 keep up the amazing vids
My tag is Deathslasher123
7:32 that rangefinding was very quick.
Was an editing mistake on my part, two different clips merged into one with little context.
Didnt realize it until after it was published so I left it in.
Np. Now i understand.
What is your keyboard/mouse setup for ranging in like that quick?
I very like your review format!
I love your videos and your attitude man, keep up the good work.
Ayyy, it’s the vid I was super hyped for! (This is the best feeling)
The reason why you don't see many strikers anymore is because in 1.97 they changed the way ATGMs are guided so now its far more difficult to pull those meme shots with it.
wait till bro sees atgms now LMAO
What does a fire control system do in simulator battles?
Yes same question
I saw you in this beast in game yesterday.Nice video btw
heey great video man
, can you do another one about the new G91 R4 premium in the german line ?
15:46 Middle East has been in the game for 3 years now. I don't expect Gaijin plans on ever fixing that map lol
Jezus Christ, I LOVE your videos! Keep up the good work bro!
Looking forward to this tank 😍. Thank you
Bruh, I love history and I love when stuff is historically accurate, but it's a fucking game, idc what markings you have
Worth the wait!
Hope Gaijin will add stuff like the Magach 7C or the Sabra tanks in the future!
13:56 what a sick kill
Love this. I subbed mate
You think they’ll add the one with the Leopard 2A4 turret and L/44 Cannon?
This tank should be 8.7 honestly
Nope by a mile
Based solely on your play, I think I will indeed waste my time researching it. Doesn't look half bad even if it's an M48
You should add a yeet sound if they are killed by an airplane
okay Justin you don't haft to flex on all the British players that don't have CITV lol
I really don't get how an apfsds round shot straight at a Heli can result in "target undamaged"? It has happened to me so many times. And I get the whole over pen argument but unless you hit a round tangent to the body curve of a Heli, it can't remain undamaged.
Ehhy you did read my message! Was nice to see the change :'D
the only thing you get worthwhile from the m48 super at 9.3 is the thermals... the rest is crap --- mobility and armor are pretty useless especially when going against soviet tanks
He peaks: gets kill or assist
Me pe DEAD
How do people figure out what type of thermal Gaijin decides to impart upon these vehicles? Is there a site or somewhere in game that tells you?
Not really looking to get it but to see how well will it do in the battle field as a new tank to the germans because im working on the german mbt's and im currently about to buy the leopard 2a4. But i need silver lions so im going to buy the premium japanese f4u a1 because i heard it is just a flying silver lion machine and it cost only 1150 GE
@@asiftalpur3758 haha well i dont play it anymore but i remember i got to the 2a5 and clean no buying cash
Estaba esperando este video
love the vid man
13:53 you are lucky
It shouldn't have thermal view for the commander since it doesn't have a CITV
If you need a new catchphrase than a hot knife through butter. How about a pencil through paper?
More new lower tier thermal tanks with donkey rounds make for a much more enjoyable time for people who get them, but I doubt it for those Russian players getting farmed in their horrible horrible grind of tanks without thermals. I wonder if we'll see any sort of thermal balancing in the future, doubtful but it's going to be off-putting to creep thermals in everywhere for any tank, or tank line for that matter, that for some reason doesn't get them due to historical, but not gameplay and balance reasons.
Being a type 90 in the first battle would make life easier... And you did not get a night battle
What a senseless tank. Gajin should spent the time on fixing bugs and improving maps.
Cool cool cool coool
Disappointed
How do u use binoculars with thermal.i can only use thermal on the gun view.
The ROMOR does NOT have CITV :( but if the RadPanzr can be 9.0 then so can the ROMOR !!
How can i adjust the shot range? I'm just a newbie and i dont know how to adjust shot range
Hi you were in a battle that I was in. It was kinda scary because I know your a very good player
i some how have the feeling this tank will face the same problems as the Challenger at top tier
sure it has a good gun and sure the fire controller system is top notch
but its to big and to slow to do any thing meaning full right out of the gate at the start of the match pair that with absolutely TRASH armor and you have a machine thats only good at camping.
its dead content imo will probably still get it since gaijin will add something new to that line at some point
Is that a Supra?!
man your video is really satisfying , btw this tank not worth of 1m SL
3:09 there! He said it!
He said the thing!
People are so crazy. He can put whatever marking he wants on his tanks!!!
10:45 sad me
Thanks for using the bundeswehr symbol, Now it looks better!
OWO is that a Patton Video?
I bet this thing suffers HARD in a full uptier to 10.3
So this tank gets commander thermals while it never had commander thermals IRL.. Hell it does not have even a CITV modelled but i guess germans never can get enough handholding.
Is it me or do these thermals look better than gen1's?
kpz no 9.3 has no thermal, m48 super no 9.3 has thermal, gaijin has a problem
3 m48 in german tree, but 1 in american tree
Oh great, another good tank in German already strong 9.0 lineup.
Germany really suffers. /s
9.3*** and don t cry if germans have a good lineup, other nations have too.
@@TT-cf8dz not like germans around 9.0
Just look at lineup from 8.7 to now 9.3 they all play in same matches most of time. All fast meta vehicles with geat gun and good negative elevation.
Problem is they are adding USA vehicles into German nation. So whats the point of playing USA then if germany will have their vehicles?
@@TT-cf8dz other nations have too??, Let me show you how OP German is www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/gmeovj/average_winrate_statistic_from_thunderskill/
@@90kuky well russians also have good guns, with weak mobility but better armor. And speaking about USA vehicles into german TT, yes, i agree with u. We can get Wiesel, Marder, Puma, Luchs, or even leopard 2 140mm, leopard 2a0/a1/a2/a3 or newer versions of leopard 1(a2,a3,a4,a5). At least M48 Super is heavy upgraded by the germans, its like their version. But a german made would be much better. Now the italians get m18 and shermans, instead of pz4 and tiger. Nice Gayjin.
@@kochiyoshi yeah, very OP. Its not like americans just rush, die, and blame the game and "leopard 2a5 op gaijin nerf u nazi". Oe they just don t know how to use their tank advantage. And from 9 nations, first is Sweden, then France, then USSR, then Italy, then Germany. Germany is on the 5th place from 9. We also have the second most expensive to repair MBT. Speaking about 9.0, yeah, we have big winrate. And not just cuz kpz is op, we learnd how to play these tanks. Tell me how the kpz is op? It has great mobility, weak armor and weak gun(weak apfsds and weak accuracy). Also it was moved to 9.3 with 17s reload for its atgm. Learn how to use ur tank before commenting. But i don t think u have top tier. I u have, i think u play america, thats why muricans have low winrate.
I'm not sure why you played up this vehicle as so good - it's really not! It's mobility sucks, it's armour is completely useless at this BR, even 8.3 is going to pen and it's reload is the same as so many 8.7 BR tanks. it only has a 105mm cannon and the DM33 is overkill at this BR - the DM23 is enough to kill pretty much anything unless uptiered, in which case this tank is going to get wrecked. All it has is the good thermals. Am I missing something here?
Grow your channel by reviewing tanks in BR 4.0-8.00 too justin, maybe for the most played nation first. Cheers dude 🍻
Why is thermal equipped tanks fighting non thermal equipped tanks?
USSR 9.0-9.7 is unplayable against tanks with thermals especially in wooded maps.
This a montage !?
CITV Commander's Independent Thermal Viewer its for commander
I honestly feel like this is not worth the gring
3:08 stap
408 mm penetration
stabilizer
avarage mobiliti/armor
Thermal!!!!
why is it 9.3? ... it should be almost equivalent with Leopard 2K... but it has no thermal so it can be better than the 2K at some points!
but 2K has only 393mm pen. so this should be an absolutly ultimate 9.3 vehicle!
"owo what's this" I'm sorry
Hm
Parry this you filthy casual
Hmm
I still dont understand why merkava mk1 has same br as mk2 wtf
Isn't mk1 at 8.7 and mk2 at 9.0?
@@kochiyoshi nope both 9.0 on AB an RB as far as i know
@@jPlanerv2 w8 they increase mk1 br to 9.0? Because last time its 8.7 it's mostly doing fine unless it got uptier. Ok brb
@@jPlanerv2 idk mk1 still 8.7, at least that what see in wiki, in game idk my game still updating.
@@kochiyoshi I play mostly Ab but as far as i remember when they added mk2 they moved mk1 to 9.0 on both gm
Good game god job goooooodddd tank 🤴
Maybe it's just me, but this thing doesn't belong at 9.3 right? That's saying it's as good as other 9.3 tanks like the XM-1, MBT-70 and Kpz-70, etc. when it's worse in loads of ways. The hull is crappy by 8.3, the turret is only good for HEAT-FS when the main round by 8.7 is APFSDS much less 9.3, and otherwise the mobility is lackluster at 9.3. I mean I guarantee it could be fun sometimes, but 9.3 is dicey to say the least. I'd say it belongs at 8.7 or MAYBE 9.0 because of it's shortcomings but that's just my 2 cents. Otherwise actually excited for the tank when I get it though
Edit: I'd say 9.0 would be great after seeing the video. The firepower is great, great ammo, thermals and commander thermal, and useful mobility. But the armor is crap, the mobility is hit or miss depending on the br match you get
An M48 at 9.3? Seriously why bother when there is a far superior tank at 9.3 called the KPZ-70.
It helps create Lineup!
I'll take it at certain map because of thermal and CITV over kpz
Yo dude there is a video in your ad.
I hated this tank, if i had a test drive of this vehicle i would avoided
So much armor only on the turret :/
YOU'RE AN AMERICAN! PUT WHATEVER MARKINGS YOU WANT! FREEDOM BABY YEAH! F PC!!!
Ugliest tank in all existence. Bar none.
Pffff dude just mark it however you want lol
Yoink!