Moonotheism 3. Hanafism. Islam's pagan star and crescent symbolism.

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  • Pre-Islamic Arabia was a pagan religious environment, with close links and parallels to Babylonian paganism and the associated moon worship. I will present a detailed examination of the historical, archaeological, etymological and religious/scriptural evidence showing how proto-Islam borrowed and, in many ways, still continues practices derived from Babylonian pagan moon worship. We will delve deeply into the early southern Arabian/Yemeni origins of what became Islam, and link these to the better-known northern borrowings as one narrative of long development and concealment.
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Комментарии • 43

  • @nemesis1291
    @nemesis1291 2 года назад +16

    The more you/researchers look at the Islamic documents and history and find information that's not supposed to be available in the west the more the SIN crackles and fall apart. I'm always enjoying your work Lloyd, thanks for your work and time you so generously share with us.

    • @conociendoelislam85
      @conociendoelislam85 Год назад

      hi guy, I want to add romance languages subtitles to all his videos... but those are a lot... maybe one day I will finish it

  • @bobfisher1909
    @bobfisher1909 2 года назад +10

    Wow Lloyd this is great stuff, now you can see where the stories come from paganism, I know Mel said that even Ramadan was stolen practice before Christ he said it was a pagan festival in the city of Haran for the safe return of the moon. Its the same city named after Lot father who was Abram's nephew; the entire family lived in Ur of the Chaldees.
    Chaldees Ur today is found in modern Tall al-Muqayyar or Tell el-Muqayyar, Iraq, important city of ancient southern Mesopotamia (Sumer), situated about 140 miles (225 km) southeast of the site of Babylon and about 10 miles (16 km) west of the present bed of the Euphrates River.
    So if you can see how Islam is so wrong when it says Abram was in Mecca, his over a 1,000 miles away which his family lived, its ludicrous anyone would believe in the S.I.N !!
    You could say the Pagans where right through the middle east before the Christians spread out into other parts which Islam still trying to destroy evidence to keep their Ideology going. I call Islam a cocktail mix, it has a little bit of everything to be sure to be sure, still its paganism is its main core which ever way you look at it has nothing to do with God of the Bible...
    PS didn't Muhammad Mum private part illuminated the palaces of Busra in the land of Syria from Mecca. Giggle!! The Arabs must of miss read the Hebrew!!

  • @fazemannfakeman3985
    @fazemannfakeman3985 2 года назад +4

    In Hebrew, Venus or morning star is called helel. Venus is associated with Friday. If hilal is Arabic for Venus, then it makes sense why Muslims consider Friday a special day.

  • @jcmrob3723
    @jcmrob3723 2 года назад +2

    Keep the good work coming Lloyd 👍

  • @julietabraham476
    @julietabraham476 2 года назад +3

    Once again another interesting video Brother and I really look forward to it and I call it "The History class"
    The five point star is a pentagram and common in occultism. It would be interesting if you Bro Lloyd could do a video on occultism in Islam.Thanks a zillion for your amazing work.

  • @honeyb4984
    @honeyb4984 2 года назад +2

    Thanks for sharing brother!🙏🏽💕

  • @sishrac
    @sishrac 2 года назад +2

    Apparently, the story of a middle eastern or Ethiopic Queen of Sheba is another fairytale stemming from Jewish mysticism or loose Christian fables floating around at the time. The channel 'The God Culture' vetted effectively with biblical and historical sources that Sheba was in the far east, modern-day Philippines. It makes sense that the queen would have heard of King Solomon's wisdom since he built and sent ships to go on 3+ year-round trips to bring gold and other exotic things for the temple he was building. He wouldn't need a fleet of ships to travel that long to go to Ethiopia and back!

    • @sishrac
      @sishrac 8 месяцев назад

      ​@@Kgdity8eitkg The Judaic diaspora in Babylon and afterward made many proselyte Jews, which would explain Ethiopian Jewish tradition. As for the castle and the ark of the Covenant found in Aksum City can only be false attributions. Moreover, God will not allow the Ark of the Covenant to be discovered and revered, that much I know.

  • @embmaxim.3340
    @embmaxim.3340 2 года назад

    ❤️👍

  • @aimankakeh3783
    @aimankakeh3783 2 года назад +2

    Do you have factual info about the sabians mentioned in the quran? I have seen them identified as the people of yemen, but the quran spells the name with a ' Saud ' not an s. And I have been told that because of that, the quran isn't referring to the pagans of yemen.

    • @LloydDeJongh
      @LloydDeJongh  2 года назад

      See the opening of the 1st episode. 2 Islamic scholars discuss the direct relationship between Islam and Sabaean paganism. The Quran directly mentions the Sabaeans, for instance with regards to the Marib dam burst and flooding.

    • @johnzuma4688
      @johnzuma4688 2 года назад +2

      We read that in the year 624 AD Mohammed changed the direction of prayer from Jerusalem to the Kaaba. At that time the Kaaba was a place of pagan idol worship. So Mohammed bowed down in worship to a place of pagan idol worship with some 360 idols being worshipped there at that time. We know from the Bible that our God of the Bible, the God of Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac would never have condoned bowing down in worship to a place where pagan idols were being worshipped. So clearly Mohammed’s allah is not the God of Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac. So who is this allah who is happy to be worshipped as “the god” amongst some 360 pagan idols?

    • @theastronomer5800
      @theastronomer5800 2 года назад

      @@johnzuma4688 Excellent point. I never thought about this and you're correct, it wasn't until later that Muhammad conquered Mecca and destroyed all the idols (because Islam is so accepting of other religions...). I always found it amusing that Allah didn't bother to mention from Day 1 that the Kaaba was the most important building on Earth, built by Abraham, and that they should pray in its direction!

    • @johnzuma4688
      @johnzuma4688 2 года назад

      @@theastronomer5800 I found when one looks at the time-lines of various events, one realizes that the quran does not make sense. In Surah 17:1 we read about the night journey that is claimed that Mohammed made before he moved to Medina. And it is claimed that Mohammed traveled (flew on a winged donkey apparently) from the Kaaba referred to as a mosque to the Al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem. Problem is of course that there were no mosques at all before Mohammed moved to Medina and the Kaaba was a place of pagan idol god worship. The Al Aqsa mosque was only built some 70 years after Mohammed had died. Logically that tells me that this verse was added some 100 years after the event is supposed to have happened.

    • @theastronomer5800
      @theastronomer5800 2 года назад

      @@johnzuma4688 Yes, this is a problem. The sources also describe this mosque as having doors and curtain (if I recall) - things that the Temple (if the Muslims want to claim that this is what it is referring to at this time) certainly did not have since it was destroyed long before by the Romans.
      More interestingly though, if you read the earliest Islamic historians they actually give the location of the Al-Aqsa mosque. Here are the relevant quotations:
      In the Book of Raids, early Muslim historian and biographer Waqidi described Muhammad’s stay in the village of Jiranah a few miles outside Mecca. He wrote, “The Prophet arrived in Jiranah on Thursday, and remained 13 nights. He then departed Jiranah after praying at the Al-Aqsa Mosque located on the shore of the river bed. The Prophet used to pray there whenever he came to Jiranah.”
      Another early historian, Azraqi, described in his book Mecca and its Antiquities a discussion between two men named Muhammad ibn Tariq and Mujahid. Muhammad said, “Mujahid and I agreed on Jiranah, because he informed me the Prophet used to pray at the Al-Aqsa Mosque located on the shore of the river bed. The other nearby mosque, the Al-Adna Mosque, was built by a man from the Quraysh tribe.”
      Another early Mecca historian, Ibn Ishaq al-Fakihi noted in his book Ancient and Modern Mecca that Muslims who wanted to perform the Umrah would first purify themselves at the neighboring villages of Tanim and Jiranah. The Al-Adna Mosque in Tanim was significant because Muhammad’s wife Aisha had purified herself there, and the Prophet himself had prayed in the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jiranah.
      The above sources all indicate that the Al-Aqsa Mosque referred to by Muhammad in Quran 17:1 was the mosque in Jiranah. The famous mosque known today by the same name in Jerusalem was built almost a century later by al-Malik and finished by al-Walid.

  • @Palleoge
    @Palleoge Год назад

    Hi, Lloyd. I am commenting to ask about the comment you made concerning the connection between Tawhid and Tewahedo. Where can I learn more about this?

    • @LloydDeJongh
      @LloydDeJongh  Год назад

      Have a brief look at these 2 shorts:
      ruclips.net/video/n3gxUvnMPiQ/видео.html
      ruclips.net/video/5rc33FFO0Es/видео.html
      I have much more in various talks on my channel and with Thaddeus/Reasoned Answers. I just don't recall which videos exactly.

    • @LloydDeJongh
      @LloydDeJongh  Год назад

      This video may have something on that topic: The Origin of the A'isha myth & the Zamzam with @IslamicOrigins and @LloydDeJongh
      ruclips.net/video/Wv9qqQNkfjY/видео.html

  • @mummagic7969
    @mummagic7969 2 года назад

    Not pronounced AllAlkitab but AllOOlkitab. OO as in 'oops.'

  • @johnzuma4688
    @johnzuma4688 2 года назад +1

    We read that in the year 624 AD Mohammed changed the direction of prayer from Jerusalem to the Kaaba. At that time the Kaaba was a place of pagan idol worship. So Mohammed bowed down in worship to a place of pagan idol worship with some 360 idols being worshipped there at that time. We know from the Bible that our God of the Bible, the God of Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac would never have condoned bowing down in worship to a place where pagan idols were being worshipped. So clearly Mohammed’s allah is not the God of Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac. So who is this allah who is happy to be worshipped as “the god” amongst some 360 pagan idols?

    • @mnstr2173
      @mnstr2173 2 года назад

      Don’t twist the story’s. In the kaaba also Christians and Jews worshipped, it seems that the people back then knew it has a special story so they used it, but sadly they were pagan > gladly God Sent Muhammad saw. To them and he destroyed their idols.
      The problem is that you don’t acknowledge that it was build by Abraham(as) as house of worship.
      Another point: God changed the direction to see who is really following the last prophet. Allah = The God with capital G, in Aramaic Allaha, so the people wo worshipped in this direction worshipped God and didn’t call upon the idols. According to you Christians worship the cross itself because they worship in its direction very often

    • @johnzuma4688
      @johnzuma4688 2 года назад +2

      @@mnstr2173 My friend, where do you read that Christians and Jews would worship at a place where pagan idols are being worshiped? No Christian or Jew would do that.
      There no evidence that the Kaaba was built by Abraham and there is no evidence that even Mecca existed at the time of Abraham. So why anyone acknowledge something for which there is no evidence at all.
      And our God of the Bible would never change the direction of prayer to a place where pagan idols were being worshiped. So clearly Mohammed's allah is not the God of the Bible.
      And you have been lied to my friend, Christians do not worship the cross, and they in fact have no direction in which they pray.

  • @arsalanmohammad9750
    @arsalanmohammad9750 2 года назад +2

    the crescent and star has nothing to do with Islam. PROVE IT. You can’t.

    • @justinockhuis
      @justinockhuis 2 года назад

      Islam is rooted in pagan worship and Catholism

    • @m.e.k3172
      @m.e.k3172 2 года назад

      in simple terms moon and star are symbol of islam because its thier god

    • @nemesis1291
      @nemesis1291 2 года назад +2

      Just did, didn't you watch the video?

    • @johnzuma4688
      @johnzuma4688 2 года назад +1

      We read that in the year 624 AD Mohammed changed the direction of prayer from Jerusalem to the Kaaba. At that time the Kaaba was a place of pagan idol worship. So Mohammed bowed down in worship to a place of pagan idol worship with some 360 idols being worshipped there at that time. We know from the Bible that our God of the Bible, the God of Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac would never have condoned bowing down in worship to a place where pagan idols were being worshipped. So clearly Mohammed’s allah is not the God of Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac. So who is this allah who is happy to be worshipped as “the god” amongst some 360 pagan idols?

    • @moorek1967
      @moorek1967 Год назад

      Oh we can prove it, you just don't want the proof. It has been well-known in Antiquity that the crescent moon and star was the ancient symbol of Isis, also known as Ishtar, also known as Astarte, also known as Ashtaroth.
      This is the same crescent and star found on the tops of your mosques. This is the same crescent and star found on your flags. If the crescent and star has nothing to do with Islam, then you better tell your Islamic mullahs to have them removed.
      Oh, and the "nikkah" marriage? Do you know where that comes from? Nikkal, the Aramean goddess of fertility known as The Lady of the Forest and every night her husband Rudrick, the moon god, covers her with his sperm.
      And Ramadan is from the festival of Lord Rama, the GOD OF THE MOON. At what time are you supposed to start Ramadan? The first sighting of...the moon. Surprise.
      You sure have a lot of pagan sources.

  • @johnzuma4688
    @johnzuma4688 2 года назад +4

    I have read the Hafs quran and found the following:
    - Islam teaches that child marriage, which implies child rape is approved of by both Mohammed and his allah, even though this is evil and disgusting (Surah 65:4). And Mohammed led by example when he raped a 9 year old child.
    - Islam teaches that wife beating is approved of by Mohammed and his allah even though this is evil and disgustung (Surah 4:34)
    - Islam teaches that it is OK to use women captured in war to be used and sold as sex slaves. This is rape and adultery which is evil, yet Mohammed and his allah approved of this. (Surah 33:50)
    - Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will; but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear Allah. And know that ye are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give (these) good tidings to those who believe. (Surah 2:223). This allows a husband to rape his wife which is evil and disgusting.
    - Islam teaches that Christians and Jews must be fought until they have been killed (murdered) unless they submit to Islam and agree to be oppressed second class citizens in the own country. (Surah 9:29). Fighting people just because the reject Islam is evil and disgusting yet this is demanded by Mohammed and his allah.
    - Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not. (Surah 2:216). So Mohammed and his allah prescribe that their followers must fight even if they dislike fighting. Now that is evil to the core.

    • @conociendoelislam85
      @conociendoelislam85 Год назад

      Hello!!, can I use this information for some of my videos in spanish?