If you fail the portal, then you probably can’t kill the uniquely named shadows and shadow plushie since halsin tells you that oliver could be thaniel’s shadow self. Idk if those count to this challenge though
@@systemadic You can encounter Mommy, Daddy and the dog shadow before that fight if you play Oliver's second game of hide and seek at the hut. I am not sure if there were any other named shadows to kill.
The Spear Shadowheart gets is a special weapon that enables her to permanently kill Aylin in Shadowfell. If you choose to kill her there, she is just dead, permanently. This is established through the lore of the weapon and a few insight checks. This is how the Shar path kills Kethric-he loses Aylin because she is just dead. She is immune to the weapons the Justiciers used, but not the spear. This is why killing her is an actual choice-she doesn't get back up. It also instantly destroys last light if Isobel is still around, establishing that killing the Nightsong has a tangible impact on Selune's power.
She doesn't die in act 3 though. Doing things that way results in 2 immortal npcs. Ultimately this is a much worse decision for this specific playthrough.
@@jotarokujo3603 But summoning 4 divas means the net kill count is a +2 at the very least since he’s trying to optimize killing as many things as possible.
@@kaiserstritz136 I know that, everyone and their mothers know that. I’m talking about the fact that betraying her in act 3 to the tower wizard results in her summoning 4 divas, which is a bunch of extra npcs added to the kill count and this playthrough seems to be about maximizing murder
You might've missed: - Squire in Ketheric's bedroom - The Mimic in Isobel's bedroom - Steelclaw at the docks - A group of Shadow-Cursed Ravens in the Ruined Battlefield - Hook Horrors in the Oubliette under the prison
Something that may be helpful: if you unpack your save with LSLIB, by Norbyte, it'll have a massive csv-style list of values for each NPC. It'll say something along the lines of 'has-been-killed=0' for every npc that has not been killed. It's a pretty good way to check whether you've exhaustively killed everyone, and if you haven't, it should give you an idea of who's still alive.
33:10 its even funnier. Raphael is the one who turned the last remaining justisicar into a shit-ton of rats, so Yurgir couldn't ever fullfill his deal and was stuck here forever(or until you kill him) he's just an absolute prick and I love him for it
whats even better, yurgir is only contracted to kill all the justiciars because a selunite mason who build moonrise sold his soul to raphael to get rid of ketherics army. Raphael couldn't even do his own dirty work
How to kill Aylin--let Shadowheart kill her. That permanently ends Aylin. It says in the spear's description that its purpose is to kill Aylin. Let Halsin and Thaniel die in the portal and that's the most permanent death you can get for Thaniel.
@@DG_427He was aware of the skeletons but had to make the decision between some random skeletons and balthazar's brother because he isnt in the fight in the shadowfell
I think you might have missed something in the githyanki creche. When you’re fighting the eagles, one starts calling for help, causing several more to appear
In the prison of moonrise towers, through the wardens office theres a pit surrounded by blood. You can jump in the pit, theres hook horror enemies down there that you missed. Also, if you don't save the prisoners down there (Wulbren and friends) before going to the Shadowfell, their bodies will be found down that pit, so they die either way.
Crazy amount of effort! Producing a video like this in 4 weeks crazy fast imo. Not sure which ones you cant as NPC's, but Some Enemies you could include: - There is a raven corpse on the road if you click it then it spawns a bunch of enemy ravens. Near where you first see the Dryder mob. - In the middle of room at 14:52 if you attack a statue or try to steal the dagger instead it spawns Shar's soldiers - In Balthazaar's Room if you let the portals spawn they will summon additional enemies, 1 of which is a totally unique mini boss at the end. (no special name tho) - The ghosts in the soft step challenge are all killable (the ones that detect you stealthing) - Pretty sure There's no way to kill Nightsong unless you kill her with Shadowheart. Well you can but she won't stay dead forever. - Don't think you did the area below the prison by jumping into the hole there, just a few enemies there - 29:42 that room shouldn't have anything else there. I think you got it all - In the Gauntlet of Shar area at 30:25 if you go west from there I think it is. There's a flying Cloaker. It's like a manta ray monster. -You can get Flesh's bell, call Flesh, and kill him and then battle Balthazaar later in the Shadowfell, but no major difference since anyways it's just skeletons not special enemies there. - Never saw those Crawling hands when you fought Marcus there so that was a cool find - Level 10 before Kethric is also crazy lmao never got that - Normally when Astarion bites her you get a permanent Strength bonus potion. Not sure why you didnt? Act 3 is gonna be craaaazy difficult. Excited to see that video lol (If it's under 1 hour then i'll be shocked)
31:26 you talk about not being able to kill flesh, you can ask balthazar for equipment to help if you play along and he gives you an item to summon flesh in the gauntlet, you can summon him during the yurgir fight and kill him during that while being able to fight the skeleton army during the nightsong
When it comes to act 3, you can kill all the nameless npcs on the streets by grabbing the necrotic aura corpse in cazadors palace and taking a necrotic resistance potion. It’ll give you a necrotic aoe and you can just walk through the streets killing everyone
If Thanial is left with Halsin in the portal, it's implied they both die. As well as the horrors of the shadow curse will kill people technically. Also, Daim Alyn dies permanently if she is killed by Shadowhart in the Shadowfell. That is the only way i know.
@@zamelie9399 She does not die in Act 3 when you fight Loroakan. If you side with her, 0hp, she'll stand up after the fight. Side against her, she'll 0hp, go limp, and be chained when you return after a long rest. You can get her or lorroakan as an ally for the endgame this way.
You can still fight Oliver's shadows by going to his location at any point before being sent to find him. I can't say whether he himself can be killed though, I've never tried.
41:05 - hopefully you didn't skip the room that Wyll's target is located; the room is full of Illithid pods containing allies and Illithid. Not to mention there's an option to "kill?" Mizora in an Illithid pod, thus killing Wyll at the same time
Yes, that's the way to guarantee Mizora is dead. Plus when you kill her Wyll gets directly flushed to the hells. That said, I think the implication was she maybe died anyway since he left her there?
I never did this on my playthrough because selunite shadowheart is bae, but the game tells you through various books that if a chosen justiciar-to-be (in this case it is conveniently shadowheart) kills the nightsong with the shar spear you get in the library, the Nightsong will die *permanently*
With Wyll, in act 3 if you get him to refuse to renew his contract then go on to still rescue his father, Mizora summons a bunch of spiders to try to stop you so if you're fussed about that it'd be worth going back and freeing her.
By far the funniest way to kill all the rats is to go in with one character (Shadowheart I guess) and just cast guardian spirits and AFK for like 2 minutes, the rats will just keep spawning and dying and spawning and dying all in one turn, it's hilarious
shadowheart works great because you want the spirit guardian-er to be immune to sleep (so any elf/half-elf/drow) since some of the rats poof into sleepy dust when they die
im pretty sure you cant actually kill the nightsong if its not during the gauntlet area, she just keeps rezzing or she lives forever with that wizard in act 3
Just for reference, "explorer" power level for player characters means you have incredibly boosted HP, primarily, making the game, in my opinion, much easier than balanced. Tactician is pretty difficult if you don't know what you're doing, but doubled health is a pretty big handicap. Anyway, as for Aylin, you can only kill her when she's in the shadowfell. If you don't do that, she is immortal after all. I'm not sure how you missed that, it comes up in literally every time she's described. Thanial can only "die" if the portal event fails- which does kill all the shadow creatures anyway so whatever.
Yeah the explorer difficulty is kinda silly. Every character in your party having more health than Yurgir is silly haha. No wonder his smites eat through everything, but hey, that's not what the challenge is about I suppose.
Minthara would've appeared at moonrise with the goblins in audience to Ketheric, but before patch 6 you would've had to knock Minthara out when she had the temporarily hostile tag, which she won't have when the raid on the grove happens. It's not a loss to this specific challenge, other than losing out on story, since there's no other npcs that rely on her existing to show up. After patch 6, knocking her out at any point, even during the grove raid, will allow her to be alive at moonrise You can kill flesh without Balthazar getting angry, just summon them somewhere else with the bell you can get from Balthazar, then just kill him. You can most likely get the ghouls near him too without issue. I haven't tested it myself, but he should be there before the nightsong as long as he lives. There is 1 other way to encounter him, if you let him take the nightsong and side with Ketheric, you are tricked and taken into the illithid colony where you're trapped in some tanks, with Balthazar there. But doesn't really do much If you missed it, after the self same trial, there's a ring that drops near where your Tav/Durge dies that's easy to miss. Durge has a specific conversation with Kressa Bonedaughter if you don't immediately kill her, which leads to killing anyways. I remember playing and discovering the dialogue you get from immediately killing her, and reloaded back to talk to her normally lol
bad news. youre gonna have to reload. the only way to properly permanently kill dame aylin is by letting shadowheart kill her in the shadowfell - shadowheart kills her permanently there
Commenting as I watch. XD Astarion is one of those characters who is grating at first but once you get to know him he's pretty great. He's still a sassy ass, but digging under the mask he puts forth makes him way more likeable.
In the Shar temple, before Balthazar, if you leave the portals alone they will eventually stop spawning enemies. In order to maximize kills in that place you would need to leave all portals alone and keep killing what spawns out of them. I watched them de-spawn in my playthrough because I was farming them for XP.
If you unpetrify the guy in auntie Ethel’s basement, he immediately dies of a horrible disease. Can’t believe you did it all over again just for the opening guys, but mad respect. I have genuinely never met Markus upon entering last light, I have no idea how tf you got him 😭
There’s two hook horrors in a subsection of the Mind Flayer Colony that you missed, a mimic on the upper floors of Moonrise Towers behind a few doors, and a cloaker in the SW part of the Gauntlet of Shar. Good work so far though!
Maybe I missed it in the video but I think you forgot a crow in the middle on the road between the lastnight inn and the harper first encounter. If you try to loot it, a bunch of crow will appear.
according to delph: you can kill withers by stacking ability drain and draining a stat to 0. i assume this works on a number of enemies you otherwise can't kill, like Thanial. i haven't tested but i say go for it ( :
Can't wait for Part 3! Really glad you went back and listened to the people who pointed out kills you missed in Act. I'd like to take credit for Mikron but that feels a little weird.... I can, however, think of a group of people you didn't kill in Act 2. If you go for the fight with Kar'niss you miss out on a big fight with a bunch of Harpers near Last Light Inn. I'm actually unable to think of any way to do both fights, and I don't even know if the people in the optional fight are people who you can't kill later. Maybe just something to add on like a little DLC because I'm 99% sure they're mutually exclusive fights. Happy to be corrected, though!
The creepy blood trader does give you a permanent +2 strength potion. It just doesn't look fancy and normally i check astarion's inventory or my inventory and click "latest items".
great video dude, really appreciate everything youre doing! its really cool to see how many different options there are in the game and youre laying it out super well and entertainingly. shoutout to the editing and the voice over too, its under appreciated! cant wait for act 3!
If you go to where Oliver spawns without speaking to Halsin after he comes out of the portal, the quest bugs out and you are able to actually kill Oliver during the fight at the Shar well thingy. Thaniel never wakes up because half of him is dead and Halsin just repeats the same line forever
... you missed a neighboring area to the mind flayer colony that you get to at the 40 minute mark, it's easily missed and easily accessible... simply try to go to baldur's gate before confronting Ketheric Thorm, you'll be knocked out or taken captive... and wake up there, there's a couple hook horrors, some things to loot.. not sure if there's a named npc that's alive but those hook horrors are what you missed. The exit does put you at the area with the animated armor that you killed just before hitting up the morgue (you could also access that area from that pit, I think you have to be able to fly though).
A couple things I encountered and didn't see or hear anything on is; The Kuo Toa and Hook Horrors. The Kuo Toa can be found out the back of the Mausoleum / Beside the entrance to the Gauntlet of Shar. While the Hook Horrors can be found down a climbable wall in the back corner of the Moonrise Prison which leads to an early viewing of Chop and Us from the other side of the wall.
If you don't fight Balthazar when you first meet him, he can give you a bell that summons Flesh to aid in combat in the gauntlet. That way you could kill Flesh after summoning him, and still kill all of Balthazar's skeleton summons when confronting the Nightsong.
The trial with the path that you could easily see: I think that may have something to do with your computer screen or graphics settings or something. I've done the Gauntlet of Shar a few times, and twice I could see the path just as clearly as you could, but once, I could not see it at all and had a hell of a time getting across (even with the map on the floor). I don't know what the difference was.
@31:28 you can still kill Flesh and fight Baltazar with skeletons later. If you agree to help Baltazar, but ask him to help you as well, he gives you a bell that allows you to summon Flesh to help in combat, so you can just summon and kill it later.
This video makes me realize still how much I missed in act one. I had no idea about the book, the shadow druids, the zentrum, or the fact you could save the tiefling from the harpy’s
Stuff you missed: A goblin spawns at the entrance to act 2 if you enter from the mountain pass. You can still get the encounter with the harpers and the shadows if you don't immediately go for Kar'niss. There is also an ambush with shadow cursed enemies close to that location if you go through the little tower. Interacting with the dead crow just outside of last light inn spawns a bunch of ravens to kill. In the hidden small temple of sharr with the altar you can spawn 3 of sharrs followers if you steal the knife. You can get Thaniel killed by failing to protect the portal of Halsin. If you play hide and seek with Oliver you can kill another Mummy and Daddy shadow along with a dog shadow. The dark justiciars don't spawn indefinitely so you missed a lot of them by destroying the portals. You can get the bell to summon flesh and kill him (in combat) with other justiciars. The library is perfect for that. So then you don't miss out on the skeletons with the balthazar fight later on. Shadowheart can kill the Nightsong for good. You can never kill her again after this. If you fail to solve the puzzle in Balthazars room, 3 zombies will spawn eventually. There are 3 ways (jump down the hole on the other side of the prison wardens room, jump over the gap where Bongle ran off after escaping, or investigating the crack in the wall up the ladder next to the 3 goblins in the entrance are of moonrise) to go to an alternative part of the Oubliette where you can find 2 hooked horrors. Mizora is in a pod in the mind flayer colony and can be "killed" with a switch. You also missed at least 4 tadpoles. 3 in the harbor in the Zhentarim shipping crate and 1 in the mind flayer colony next to Mizora. A bunch of people in moonrise tower also have one, I haven't seen you pick any up though.
I am pretty sure you need to save Mizora to kill several NPCs in act 3. Like the spiders she spawns in the iron throne, and some fists that show up to lambast you for allying with Wyll.
1) have nothing to offer in the way of telling you whether or not you missed something 2) i understand others have contractual obligations and as such must make ads longer or shorter to fit that time, but the 10 second ad-read was rare and quite nice of you to do. thanks! also want to say loved the first vid, i love the second one, and i know i will love the third one!
Hey, great content! about thaniel: i guess your best shot is to leave him & Halsin in the shadowfell. I think, oliver should still be around but I'm not sure. about nightsong: she was able to die when I fought Loroakan in act 3 with her. But I don't know if that got patched.
I've been very excited for this! I can only rewatch the first part so many times. I think you missed some creatures in the prison, there's a fleshy pit you can jump into with some monsters at the bottom. Also I can't tell if you skipped the swarm of crows in the shadow curse or if they just weren't worth noting. For Act III: Probably the trickiest thing is going to be the coronation guests and their bodyguards. I did a run where I destroyed the Steel Watch Foundry before I went to the coronation, and if I remember correctly Gortash killed the guests and I killed the bodyguards in the lobby... but this was a little while ago and I don't have a good save to double-check it. I can't find anyone else who's tested it either.
That is correct. I just did it the other night. If you do the steel foundry first (and don't do the iron throne, unsure if related), then Gortash kills everyone except bodyguards and is hiding in a room upstairs with some other bodyguards
You missed the strength potion it looks like an antidote, and has no rarity. You were looking at the rewards for giving her your blood. Hence why it mentioned tieflings
I wonder if being able to see the maze tiles in shars gauntlet are because you have Volo's eyeball. I also had it, and had the same easy time you did 34:15
You missed the small fight against 3 justiciars in the Sharran sanctuary. You need to steal the dagger to trigger the fight. As for Aylin - you take her with you to fight Lorroakan and he can kill her.
Not an extra kill, but you can actually get the nurses to kill each other and then convince Malice to kill himself after. Definitely the luckiest I’ve been my whole playthrough.
14:50 if you hit one of the statues it will spawn shadowguards. 30:35 If you spare the Umbral Tremor at X: -820 Y: -786 long enough, it will spawn a mini-boss, the Justiciar Crusader. 36:40 Aylin is immortal outside of this cutscene, to the point where if you into a camp fight with her then you either wait for her to kill your camp or you reload the game. (44:30, you found out) 41:00 The south-east part of the colony has an undead swarm that you missed
On my very first playthrough I had the Moonlight Gnolls actually join on my side in the Assault on the Tower but in every other playthrough they vanished when the assault started
I... I can't believe how much stuff I missed. I really thought I scoured every single map, and yet between acts 1 and 2 I think you've showed at least 6 side quests and/or encounters that I never got anywhere near.
As a word of advice for anyone reading this and for dumpykong if he ever does more vids: You can disarm Myrkul and that can really help reduce the offense against you in the 2nd phase. I do *NOT* know if that works in Honour Mode. Even so, outside of Honour Mode, it's still a low chance, as the boss is resistant to such an effect. But it's not impossible, so it's worth at least attempting (I usually have Lae'zel do so).
in act 3 some notable and/or missable npcs are mystic carrion (you need to collect a few items to actually kill him otherwise he comes back), 2 npcs in coffins at the graveyard, and then those dinosaurs if you win akabi's game
In order to kill dame aylen, get her help killing that one wizard in act 3. It should break her oath as a paladin. Dunno if itll work but its worth a shot
Finished the video and i just have to say, you are amazing bro. I can't imagine how much research u had to do to complete act 2 and now it seems you already did act 3 too...
Watching this just makes me appreciate how awesome and epic this game is -- I have played through 5 times now, and I am STILL discovering new things that I missed before!
In the Warden where you can free Wulbren, u can explore the path to the exit boat a little bit more and will find an underground area with some enemies in there
You can only kill aylin using the spear of night in the prison. she will always come back if you dont do it then. the spear is in the silent library behind a puzzle.
Fun fact: if you go the way into the shadowlands you did, via underdark, and clear yourself with the harpers either by marcus or tiefling kids without speaking to isobel, you can encounter karniss with only your group and even persuade him in to just handing over the lantern.
When I played I conviced him to hand over lateren during the Harper ambush and also convinced him and his party to walk through the shadow cursed lands without while the harpers were still hiding. They did show up later as shadow cursed enemies right outside of moonrise.
@@oneconfusedwolf correct, the funiest thing is you can kill all of them from a roof near by ^^ Killed everyone with my warlock cantrip blast from miles away- so good :D
It doesn't net you anything, but the Barbarian specific class interactions in the drinking game are great! Also, keeping thr blood lady alive into act 3 is very worth it, she goves ypu a potion that makes you literally explode whenever you get hit, it's great!
You can get a ring called killers sweetheart that gives a critical hit every long rest that stacks with luck of the far realms and its found after you kill the last person in the selfsame trail on the floor (Just hold alt). Just telling you this if you have to replay act 2 like you did in act 1.
You missed the Hook Horrors in the Mind Flayer colony. You can get to them through one of the prisoner cells at Moonrise Towers. You should also kill Masora yourself.
Thaniel is the avatar of the land that became the Shadow-Cursed Lands, so he can't really be killed. As others have commented, the most you can do is abandon him and Halsin to the Shadowfell by failing to guard the portal, but Thaniel probably still isn't dead even then. Aylin is the immortal daughter of a god (that's how the past Justiciars were able to kill her over and over, and her immortality is where Ketheric's immortality came from, which the game does tell you). The only thing that could actually kill Aylin was the Spear of Night while in the Shadowfell, and if I'm not mistaken, only Shadowheart can do that. As for Withers, without spoiling why, he's also unkillable.
This is a fun video series. I'm looking forward to the next one. I like how you saved Barcus so that you could kill Wulbren later. Very important to kill Wulbren.
love the videos and how you keep doing your best I first found you when you did eldemon the first play through, Anyways I hope you keep up the amazing work and good luck in the future videos!
I can't tell you how satisfying it was that you actually went back and made sure to kill everyone that got brought up in the comments on the part 1 video. That was awesome to see
34:20: it's only an obvious path if you have no light source and no dark vision, if you have either of those the path is nigh-invisible (unless you do weird things with your display settings), for me it was barely visible, then I accidently clicked on Gale and I could see it clear as ... night... kind of awesome to see these kinds of details taken into account by larian.
You can knock out Minthara and get her later as a companion if you don’t want to kill her and it will still complete the “kill the three leaders” quest. Just make sure to deal non lethal damage on your final hit.
If you fail the portal defense, then Halsin will die inside the portal and Thanial never wakes up. That's the closest I can think of Thanial dying.
But then you can't kill Oliver :(
You can find Oliver first before initiating the quest line by going to the house first and attacking him
If you fail the portal, then you probably can’t kill the uniquely named shadows and shadow plushie since halsin tells you that oliver could be thaniel’s shadow self. Idk if those count to this challenge though
@@systemadic You can encounter Mommy, Daddy and the dog shadow before that fight if you play Oliver's second game of hide and seek at the hut. I am not sure if there were any other named shadows to kill.
@@mercaiusthe shadow plush only happens in the fight to bring Oliver in
If you FAIL the religion checks in the Shar thing in the middle of the shadow curse, enemies spawn. Happened to me and my friend
This also happens if you steal the knife there iirc
@@riptidetube123can confirm this does happen if u take the knife cuz I did that yesterday ^^
It also happens if u attack the statues
@@vole1441confirmed. Did it before
I was about to come comment this.
The Spear Shadowheart gets is a special weapon that enables her to permanently kill Aylin in Shadowfell. If you choose to kill her there, she is just dead, permanently. This is established through the lore of the weapon and a few insight checks.
This is how the Shar path kills Kethric-he loses Aylin because she is just dead. She is immune to the weapons the Justiciers used, but not the spear. This is why killing her is an actual choice-she doesn't get back up. It also instantly destroys last light if Isobel is still around, establishing that killing the Nightsong has a tangible impact on Selune's power.
I’m pretty sure he’s saving her for Act 3 so he could kill those Divas she summons when you betray her.
She doesn't die in act 3 though.
Doing things that way results in 2 immortal npcs.
Ultimately this is a much worse decision for this specific playthrough.
@@cardinalbirdman You need shadowheart to kill Nightsong because in my game I already killed her and now I can't kill nightsong at all.
@@jotarokujo3603 But summoning 4 divas means the net kill count is a +2 at the very least since he’s trying to optimize killing as many things as possible.
@@kaiserstritz136 I know that, everyone and their mothers know that. I’m talking about the fact that betraying her in act 3 to the tower wizard results in her summoning 4 divas, which is a bunch of extra npcs added to the kill count and this playthrough seems to be about maximizing murder
You might've missed:
- Squire in Ketheric's bedroom
- The Mimic in Isobel's bedroom
- Steelclaw at the docks
- A group of Shadow-Cursed Ravens in the Ruined Battlefield
- Hook Horrors in the Oubliette under the prison
He did get steelclaw, it’s the sleeping cat he kills when he goes to moonrise
Steelclaw has a unique dark urge kill him moment if you talk to the cat while being able to speak to animals or in animal form
Also missed fire people in gymforge
if you miss squire in ketheric's bedroom he actually shows up for the fight on top of moonrise
Something that may be helpful: if you unpack your save with LSLIB, by Norbyte, it'll have a massive csv-style list of values for each NPC. It'll say something along the lines of 'has-been-killed=0' for every npc that has not been killed. It's a pretty good way to check whether you've exhaustively killed everyone, and if you haven't, it should give you an idea of who's still alive.
i'm replying to boost this comment cos I was gonna suggest the same thing!
@@xandermin Here's to boostin'
Boost!
Boosting is bad in games but in this case it is required.
I didn't know this existed :0
33:10 its even funnier. Raphael is the one who turned the last remaining justisicar into a shit-ton of rats, so Yurgir couldn't ever fullfill his deal and was stuck here forever(or until you kill him) he's just an absolute prick and I love him for it
whats even better, yurgir is only contracted to kill all the justiciars because a selunite mason who build moonrise sold his soul to raphael to get rid of ketherics army. Raphael couldn't even do his own dirty work
How to kill Aylin--let Shadowheart kill her. That permanently ends Aylin. It says in the spear's description that its purpose is to kill Aylin. Let Halsin and Thaniel die in the portal and that's the most permanent death you can get for Thaniel.
Simple and elegant
You can do it yourself
@@dislexyc you cannot kill Nightsong, only Shadowheart can, trust me, I've tried
he can turn them into stone. it's not a real death but it's close enough i think
After the Plaque puzzle, where you give blood for Shar, if you try and steal the dagger it actually spawns some enemies to try and stop you. rip.
Also if you don't fight Balthazar in the Shadowfell, the skeletons don't spawn.
@@DG_427He was aware of the skeletons but had to make the decision between some random skeletons and balthazar's brother because he isnt in the fight in the shadowfell
@rra You can summon the brother in a fight if you pass a skill check with Balthazar, not sure what happens if you kill the brother in a fight though.
Also if you attack the statue in the main room some more enemies spawn
I think you might have missed something in the githyanki creche. When you’re fighting the eagles, one starts calling for help, causing several more to appear
I may be mistaken but I thought that was honor mode exclusive?
@@kiseki8351 Nah, happened to me when I was on the regular difficulty
Nope, I’ve encountered this while playing on normal and tactician difficulty
Wasn't he only specifically going for named mobs though?
@@kiseki8351 honor mode exclusive is the owlbear
In the gauntlet of shar there is a cloaker in the southwestern cavern with all of the mushrooms.
In the prison of moonrise towers, through the wardens office theres a pit surrounded by blood. You can jump in the pit, theres hook horror enemies down there that you missed. Also, if you don't save the prisoners down there (Wulbren and friends) before going to the Shadowfell, their bodies will be found down that pit, so they die either way.
You can also jump down there using a hole in one of the jail cells
Crazy amount of effort! Producing a video like this in 4 weeks crazy fast imo. Not sure which ones you cant as NPC's, but Some Enemies you could include:
- There is a raven corpse on the road if you click it then it spawns a bunch of enemy ravens. Near where you first see the Dryder mob.
- In the middle of room at 14:52 if you attack a statue or try to steal the dagger instead it spawns Shar's soldiers
- In Balthazaar's Room if you let the portals spawn they will summon additional enemies, 1 of which is a totally unique mini boss at the end. (no special name tho)
- The ghosts in the soft step challenge are all killable (the ones that detect you stealthing)
- Pretty sure There's no way to kill Nightsong unless you kill her with Shadowheart. Well you can but she won't stay dead forever.
- Don't think you did the area below the prison by jumping into the hole there, just a few enemies there
- 29:42 that room shouldn't have anything else there. I think you got it all
- In the Gauntlet of Shar area at 30:25 if you go west from there I think it is. There's a flying Cloaker. It's like a manta ray monster.
-You can get Flesh's bell, call Flesh, and kill him and then battle Balthazaar later in the Shadowfell, but no major difference since anyways it's just skeletons not special enemies there.
- Never saw those Crawling hands when you fought Marcus there so that was a cool find
- Level 10 before Kethric is also crazy lmao never got that
- Normally when Astarion bites her you get a permanent Strength bonus potion. Not sure why you didnt?
Act 3 is gonna be craaaazy difficult. Excited to see that video lol (If it's under 1 hour then i'll be shocked)
he has the strength potion. he actually points it out in text right after getting it
Oh god I've just actually thought about how many people are in act 3 😭😭
31:26 you talk about not being able to kill flesh, you can ask balthazar for equipment to help if you play along and he gives you an item to summon flesh in the gauntlet, you can summon him during the yurgir fight and kill him during that while being able to fight the skeleton army during the nightsong
When it comes to act 3, you can kill all the nameless npcs on the streets by grabbing the necrotic aura corpse in cazadors palace and taking a necrotic resistance potion. It’ll give you a necrotic aoe and you can just walk through the streets killing everyone
If Thanial is left with Halsin in the portal, it's implied they both die. As well as the horrors of the shadow curse will kill people technically.
Also, Daim Alyn dies permanently if she is killed by Shadowhart in the Shadowfell. That is the only way i know.
Only thing is I don't think you can do the fight with Oliver, which means missing out on all the specific npcs for that fight
Dame Aiylyn can die in act 3 when you fight Loroakan. At least that happened to me
@@zamelie9399 She does not die in Act 3 when you fight Loroakan. If you side with her, 0hp, she'll stand up after the fight. Side against her, she'll 0hp, go limp, and be chained when you return after a long rest. You can get her or lorroakan as an ally for the endgame this way.
You can still fight Oliver's shadows by going to his location at any point before being sent to find him.
I can't say whether he himself can be killed though, I've never tried.
Alyn can die in the final boss fight when you summon her. (did happen to me)
41:05 - hopefully you didn't skip the room that Wyll's target is located; the room is full of Illithid pods containing allies and Illithid. Not to mention there's an option to "kill?" Mizora in an Illithid pod, thus killing Wyll at the same time
Yeah that’s what he did at 40:36
@@tyreid547 I'm honestly not sure how I missed that, especially considering it's right before the timestamp I put 💀
@547 That wasn't Mizora's pod though, hers is separate in the room next to it. I guess she died anyway, just wasn't directly by his hand
@@tomc.5704 yeah that part I didn’t know if he just intentionally missed it or if it’s better to ignore her
Yes, that's the way to guarantee Mizora is dead. Plus when you kill her Wyll gets directly flushed to the hells. That said, I think the implication was she maybe died anyway since he left her there?
I never did this on my playthrough because selunite shadowheart is bae, but the game tells you through various books that if a chosen justiciar-to-be (in this case it is conveniently shadowheart) kills the nightsong with the shar spear you get in the library, the Nightsong will die *permanently*
With Wyll, in act 3 if you get him to refuse to renew his contract then go on to still rescue his father, Mizora summons a bunch of spiders to try to stop you so if you're fussed about that it'd be worth going back and freeing her.
By far the funniest way to kill all the rats is to go in with one character (Shadowheart I guess) and just cast guardian spirits and AFK for like 2 minutes, the rats will just keep spawning and dying and spawning and dying all in one turn, it's hilarious
do you get XP for this?
@@HisMagnificence a whopping 1 xp per rat. The guy still appears, if that's what you mean
shadowheart works great because you want the spirit guardian-er to be immune to sleep (so any elf/half-elf/drow) since some of the rats poof into sleepy dust when they die
I did this recently but shadowheart was still casting spirit guardians when the shar worshipper spawned and it killed him mid cut scene lol
im pretty sure you cant actually kill the nightsong if its not during the gauntlet area, she just keeps rezzing or she lives forever with that wizard in act 3
I'm prettt sure Lorroakan can kill her permanently in act 3, at least that's what happened in my game
also, if she dies in the final battle if you summon her, doesn't she stay dead?
@@ejiNope, she gets back next turn with one hp
Just for reference, "explorer" power level for player characters means you have incredibly boosted HP, primarily, making the game, in my opinion, much easier than balanced. Tactician is pretty difficult if you don't know what you're doing, but doubled health is a pretty big handicap.
Anyway, as for Aylin, you can only kill her when she's in the shadowfell. If you don't do that, she is immortal after all. I'm not sure how you missed that, it comes up in literally every time she's described.
Thanial can only "die" if the portal event fails- which does kill all the shadow creatures anyway so whatever.
Yeah the explorer difficulty is kinda silly. Every character in your party having more health than Yurgir is silly haha. No wonder his smites eat through everything, but hey, that's not what the challenge is about I suppose.
@@izzywn5802 how exactly does your health lead to stronger smites?
@@anna-flora999 enemies having less health in explorer mode means smite kills them faster
@@izzywn5802 ah, fair. I'm not familiar with custom mode, so from the name I thought it only applies to us, not the enemies as well
@@anna-flora999 Yeah, it does only apply to the party. This other guy is just confused.
Minthara would've appeared at moonrise with the goblins in audience to Ketheric, but before patch 6 you would've had to knock Minthara out when she had the temporarily hostile tag, which she won't have when the raid on the grove happens. It's not a loss to this specific challenge, other than losing out on story, since there's no other npcs that rely on her existing to show up. After patch 6, knocking her out at any point, even during the grove raid, will allow her to be alive at moonrise
You can kill flesh without Balthazar getting angry, just summon them somewhere else with the bell you can get from Balthazar, then just kill him. You can most likely get the ghouls near him too without issue. I haven't tested it myself, but he should be there before the nightsong as long as he lives. There is 1 other way to encounter him, if you let him take the nightsong and side with Ketheric, you are tricked and taken into the illithid colony where you're trapped in some tanks, with Balthazar there. But doesn't really do much
If you missed it, after the self same trial, there's a ring that drops near where your Tav/Durge dies that's easy to miss.
Durge has a specific conversation with Kressa Bonedaughter if you don't immediately kill her, which leads to killing anyways. I remember playing and discovering the dialogue you get from immediately killing her, and reloaded back to talk to her normally lol
bad news. youre gonna have to reload. the only way to properly permanently kill dame aylin is by letting shadowheart kill her in the shadowfell - shadowheart kills her permanently there
Commenting as I watch. XD Astarion is one of those characters who is grating at first but once you get to know him he's pretty great. He's still a sassy ass, but digging under the mask he puts forth makes him way more likeable.
In the Shar temple, before Balthazar, if you leave the portals alone they will eventually stop spawning enemies. In order to maximize kills in that place you would need to leave all portals alone and keep killing what spawns out of them. I watched them de-spawn in my playthrough because I was farming them for XP.
If you unpetrify the guy in auntie Ethel’s basement, he immediately dies of a horrible disease. Can’t believe you did it all over again just for the opening guys, but mad respect. I have genuinely never met Markus upon entering last light, I have no idea how tf you got him 😭
Markus only appears when entering Last Light if the tieflings (or at least Mol) are dead
@@michaelzoller5303 oh wild, thank you very much for the info 🙏
There’s two hook horrors in a subsection of the Mind Flayer Colony that you missed, a mimic on the upper floors of Moonrise Towers behind a few doors, and a cloaker in the SW part of the Gauntlet of Shar. Good work so far though!
Maybe I missed it in the video but I think you forgot a crow in the middle on the road between the lastnight inn and the harper first encounter. If you try to loot it, a bunch of crow will appear.
according to delph: you can kill withers by stacking ability drain and draining a stat to 0. i assume this works on a number of enemies you otherwise can't kill, like Thanial. i haven't tested but i say go for it ( :
Thats been patched out
Can't wait for Part 3! Really glad you went back and listened to the people who pointed out kills you missed in Act. I'd like to take credit for Mikron but that feels a little weird....
I can, however, think of a group of people you didn't kill in Act 2. If you go for the fight with Kar'niss you miss out on a big fight with a bunch of Harpers near Last Light Inn.
I'm actually unable to think of any way to do both fights, and I don't even know if the people in the optional fight are people who you can't kill later. Maybe just something to add on like a little DLC because I'm 99% sure they're mutually exclusive fights.
Happy to be corrected, though!
The creepy blood trader does give you a permanent +2 strength potion. It just doesn't look fancy and normally i check astarion's inventory or my inventory and click "latest items".
Aylin im pretty sure can only die by having shadowheart doing the ol' stabby stabby, and you missed the shar worshipper in the shar temple
Lorroakan doesn't kill her lol, he locks her up like Balthazar did
@michaelzoller5303 then it seems i was incorrect. Thank you or pointing that out
great video dude, really appreciate everything youre doing! its really cool to see how many different options there are in the game and youre laying it out super well and entertainingly. shoutout to the editing and the voice over too, its under appreciated! cant wait for act 3!
25:17 that’s actually strange bc after I made him bite her I got a potion that let me increase my strength and used it on my barbarian
I just found your channel yesterday and you’re already turning into one of my favorite RUclipsrs great content love how real you are
In the soft step trial you can actually kill the enemies that keep teleporting you back.
If you go to where Oliver spawns without speaking to Halsin after he comes out of the portal, the quest bugs out and you are able to actually kill Oliver during the fight at the Shar well thingy. Thaniel never wakes up because half of him is dead and Halsin just repeats the same line forever
... you missed a neighboring area to the mind flayer colony that you get to at the 40 minute mark, it's easily missed and easily accessible... simply try to go to baldur's gate before confronting Ketheric Thorm, you'll be knocked out or taken captive... and wake up there, there's a couple hook horrors, some things to loot.. not sure if there's a named npc that's alive but those hook horrors are what you missed. The exit does put you at the area with the animated armor that you killed just before hitting up the morgue (you could also access that area from that pit, I think you have to be able to fly though).
A couple things I encountered and didn't see or hear anything on is; The Kuo Toa and Hook Horrors.
The Kuo Toa can be found out the back of the Mausoleum / Beside the entrance to the Gauntlet of Shar. While the Hook Horrors can be found down a climbable wall in the back corner of the Moonrise Prison which leads to an early viewing of Chop and Us from the other side of the wall.
did you watch the vid?
Nice! I like how you've spread it out pieth by pieth throughout the acts. Can't wait for Act 3.
If you don't fight Balthazar when you first meet him, he can give you a bell that summons Flesh to aid in combat in the gauntlet. That way you could kill Flesh after summoning him, and still kill all of Balthazar's skeleton summons when confronting the Nightsong.
The trial with the path that you could easily see: I think that may have something to do with your computer screen or graphics settings or something. I've done the Gauntlet of Shar a few times, and twice I could see the path just as clearly as you could, but once, I could not see it at all and had a hell of a time getting across (even with the map on the floor). I don't know what the difference was.
14:57 if you take the knife of shar after doing the ritual 3 enemies will spawn i think you missed that
@31:28 you can still kill Flesh and fight Baltazar with skeletons later. If you agree to help Baltazar, but ask him to help you as well, he gives you a bell that allows you to summon Flesh to help in combat, so you can just summon and kill it later.
This video makes me realize still how much I missed in act one. I had no idea about the book, the shadow druids, the zentrum, or the fact you could save the tiefling from the harpy’s
Stuff you missed:
A goblin spawns at the entrance to act 2 if you enter from the mountain pass. You can still get the encounter with the harpers and the shadows if you don't immediately go for Kar'niss. There is also an ambush with shadow cursed enemies close to that location if you go through the little tower.
Interacting with the dead crow just outside of last light inn spawns a bunch of ravens to kill.
In the hidden small temple of sharr with the altar you can spawn 3 of sharrs followers if you steal the knife.
You can get Thaniel killed by failing to protect the portal of Halsin.
If you play hide and seek with Oliver you can kill another Mummy and Daddy shadow along with a dog shadow.
The dark justiciars don't spawn indefinitely so you missed a lot of them by destroying the portals.
You can get the bell to summon flesh and kill him (in combat) with other justiciars. The library is perfect for that. So then you don't miss out on the skeletons with the balthazar fight later on.
Shadowheart can kill the Nightsong for good. You can never kill her again after this.
If you fail to solve the puzzle in Balthazars room, 3 zombies will spawn eventually.
There are 3 ways (jump down the hole on the other side of the prison wardens room, jump over the gap where Bongle ran off after escaping, or investigating the crack in the wall up the ladder next to the 3 goblins in the entrance are of moonrise) to go to an alternative part of the Oubliette where you can find 2 hooked horrors.
Mizora is in a pod in the mind flayer colony and can be "killed" with a switch.
You also missed at least 4 tadpoles. 3 in the harbor in the Zhentarim shipping crate and 1 in the mind flayer colony next to Mizora. A bunch of people in moonrise tower also have one, I haven't seen you pick any up though.
I am pretty sure you need to save Mizora to kill several NPCs in act 3. Like the spiders she spawns in the iron throne, and some fists that show up to lambast you for allying with Wyll.
2:23 Halsin is like, It is the balance of nature that death comes to us all from dumpykong.
14:55 if you steal the dagger lying there, three knights of shar will attack you
1) have nothing to offer in the way of telling you whether or not you missed something 2) i understand others have contractual obligations and as such must make ads longer or shorter to fit that time, but the 10 second ad-read was rare and quite nice of you to do. thanks! also want to say loved the first vid, i love the second one, and i know i will love the third one!
you missed a justiciar in the gauntlet, if you leave the portal in the middle it spawns a unique dark justiciar
Hey, great content!
about thaniel: i guess your best shot is to leave him & Halsin in the shadowfell. I think, oliver should still be around but I'm not sure.
about nightsong: she was able to die when I fought Loroakan in act 3 with her. But I don't know if that got patched.
If you spoke with the cat Steelclaw as Dark Urge you could have killed her anyway but in a neat D’Urge flashback.
I've been very excited for this! I can only rewatch the first part so many times.
I think you missed some creatures in the prison, there's a fleshy pit you can jump into with some monsters at the bottom. Also I can't tell if you skipped the swarm of crows in the shadow curse or if they just weren't worth noting.
For Act III: Probably the trickiest thing is going to be the coronation guests and their bodyguards. I did a run where I destroyed the Steel Watch Foundry before I went to the coronation, and if I remember correctly Gortash killed the guests and I killed the bodyguards in the lobby... but this was a little while ago and I don't have a good save to double-check it. I can't find anyone else who's tested it either.
That is correct. I just did it the other night. If you do the steel foundry first (and don't do the iron throne, unsure if related), then Gortash kills everyone except bodyguards and is hiding in a room upstairs with some other bodyguards
You missed the strength potion it looks like an antidote, and has no rarity. You were looking at the rewards for giving her your blood. Hence why it mentioned tieflings
I wonder if being able to see the maze tiles in shars gauntlet are because you have Volo's eyeball. I also had it, and had the same easy time you did 34:15
If you steal the knife in the blood donation sharr thingy at 14:50 you can kill the statues in there.
You missed the small fight against 3 justiciars in the Sharran sanctuary. You need to steal the dagger to trigger the fight.
As for Aylin - you take her with you to fight Lorroakan and he can kill her.
Not an extra kill, but you can actually get the nurses to kill each other and then convince Malice to kill himself after. Definitely the luckiest I’ve been my whole playthrough.
14:50 if you hit one of the statues it will spawn shadowguards.
30:35 If you spare the Umbral Tremor at X: -820 Y: -786 long enough, it will spawn a mini-boss, the Justiciar Crusader.
36:40 Aylin is immortal outside of this cutscene, to the point where if you into a camp fight with her then you either wait for her to kill your camp or you reload the game. (44:30, you found out)
41:00 The south-east part of the colony has an undead swarm that you missed
On my very first playthrough I had the Moonlight Gnolls actually join on my side in the Assault on the Tower but in every other playthrough they vanished when the assault started
I... I can't believe how much stuff I missed. I really thought I scoured every single map, and yet between acts 1 and 2 I think you've showed at least 6 side quests and/or encounters that I never got anywhere near.
Absolute madlad went back and redid act 1. instant sub.
As a word of advice for anyone reading this and for dumpykong if he ever does more vids: You can disarm Myrkul and that can really help reduce the offense against you in the 2nd phase. I do *NOT* know if that works in Honour Mode. Even so, outside of Honour Mode, it's still a low chance, as the boss is resistant to such an effect. But it's not impossible, so it's worth at least attempting (I usually have Lae'zel do so).
I used heat metal on him with my tiefling bard and it makes him drop his weapon
in act 3 some notable and/or missable npcs are mystic carrion (you need to collect a few items to actually kill him otherwise he comes back), 2 npcs in coffins at the graveyard, and then those dinosaurs if you win akabi's game
In order to kill dame aylen, get her help killing that one wizard in act 3. It should break her oath as a paladin. Dunno if itll work but its worth a shot
15:00 If you take the dagger it will summon 3 guardians that you missed
Finished the video and i just have to say, you are amazing bro. I can't imagine how much research u had to do to complete act 2 and now it seems you already did act 3 too...
Watching this just makes me appreciate how awesome and epic this game is -- I have played through 5 times now, and I am STILL discovering new things that I missed before!
This is awesome! Great work my guy!
The pieth was glorious ❤ thank you for such an amazing sequel!
I just watched act 1 yesterday I’m so lucky that you uploaded this today it’s like a little treat
In the Warden where you can free Wulbren, u can explore the path to the exit boat a little bit more and will find an underground area with some enemies in there
You can only kill aylin using the spear of night in the prison. she will always come back if you dont do it then. the spear is in the silent library behind a puzzle.
You can spawn three dark justiciars in the sharran sanctuary if you steal the blade you use to cut yourself
in case you didn't know, you don't have to convince shart not to kill the nightsong. if you let her decide on her own she will spare aylin
Fun fact: if you go the way into the shadowlands you did, via underdark, and clear yourself with the harpers either by marcus or tiefling kids without speaking to isobel, you can encounter karniss with only your group and even persuade him in to just handing over the lantern.
When I played I conviced him to hand over lateren during the Harper ambush and also convinced him and his party to walk through the shadow cursed lands without while the harpers were still hiding. They did show up later as shadow cursed enemies right outside of moonrise.
@@oneconfusedwolf correct, the funiest thing is you can kill all of them from a roof near by ^^ Killed everyone with my warlock cantrip blast from miles away- so good :D
@@oneconfusedwolf It was what I did, funny how many people I convinced to just off themselves in my first playthrough :3
It doesn't net you anything, but the Barbarian specific class interactions in the drinking game are great!
Also, keeping thr blood lady alive into act 3 is very worth it, she goves ypu a potion that makes you literally explode whenever you get hit, it's great!
You can get a ring called killers sweetheart that gives a critical hit every long rest that stacks with luck of the far realms and its found after you kill the last person in the selfsame trail on the floor (Just hold alt). Just telling you this if you have to replay act 2 like you did in act 1.
You missed the Hook Horrors in the Mind Flayer colony. You can get to them through one of the prisoner cells at Moonrise Towers. You should also kill Masora yourself.
there's a goblin and cute little baby hyena at the mountain pass entrance that you missed
I’m pretty sure Shadowheart killing Aylin with Shar’s spear is the only way to kill her permanently
Thaniel is the avatar of the land that became the Shadow-Cursed Lands, so he can't really be killed. As others have commented, the most you can do is abandon him and Halsin to the Shadowfell by failing to guard the portal, but Thaniel probably still isn't dead even then.
Aylin is the immortal daughter of a god (that's how the past Justiciars were able to kill her over and over, and her immortality is where Ketheric's immortality came from, which the game does tell you). The only thing that could actually kill Aylin was the Spear of Night while in the Shadowfell, and if I'm not mistaken, only Shadowheart can do that.
As for Withers, without spoiling why, he's also unkillable.
that's wild, that faith leap thing... we had a lot of deaths there and there was no visible path, we had to throw coins to map it out
This is a fun video series. I'm looking forward to the next one. I like how you saved Barcus so that you could kill Wulbren later. Very important to kill Wulbren.
love the videos and how you keep doing your best I first found you when you did eldemon the first play through, Anyways I hope you keep up the amazing work and good luck in the future videos!
I find it interesting how after you've killed so many npcs - and a lot of them innocents - you're still perceived as the hero.
How are you making this *not* be a (completely) evil playthrough
I’m honestly impressed
I can't tell you how satisfying it was that you actually went back and made sure to kill everyone that got brought up in the comments on the part 1 video. That was awesome to see
Our favourite Asumsr can only be slain with the spear of night (more or less )
34:20: it's only an obvious path if you have no light source and no dark vision, if you have either of those the path is nigh-invisible (unless you do weird things with your display settings), for me it was barely visible, then I accidently clicked on Gale and I could see it clear as ... night...
kind of awesome to see these kinds of details taken into account by larian.
Also, stealing the ritual dagger in the sharran sanctuary causes some enemies to spawn
I had the same experience with the faith leap trial and think that Volo's eye helped in making the path visible
You can knock out Minthara and get her later as a companion if you don’t want to kill her and it will still complete the “kill the three leaders” quest. Just make sure to deal non lethal damage on your final hit.
Can't believe you went through all this again? Mental effort!
i’m sure someone has already mentioned this but if you go meet mizora in the colony you have the ability to kill her by purging the pod yourself
Sooo excited for this I’ve been watching part 1 almost everyday 😭🙏
The Necromancy of Thay does WHAT
0:35 Best add of all time, every ad should be this way
The gold lady can be killed by telling her you're there to replace her, she'll lose purpose if you succeed and just die on the spot
17:02
"This is supposed to be a role-playing game; what role am I playing, -the fucking victim!? Jesus Christ!"