The ULTIMATE Aeldari Deathstar Is Here!!-"This Might Be A Little Broken..."
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- Опубликовано: 2 фев 2025
- This might be a little broken…the Deathstar that the Rebel Alliance could not destroy!! Enjoy!
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For clarification I don’t think I mentioned this in the video but the Warlock Conclave is losing its character keyword upon codex release which would fix the issue with attaching units.
So without the character keyword you can attach this unit as leader even if a character is leading this unit ?
@ yes because of the text that allows warlock conclaves to attach even if joined by other characters/leaders and the farseer ability which also does the same thing
@@MrThepatriot30 Yes, it's basically just like the Support Weapon. It also allows you to attach the actual Warlock Character (it specifically allows for this) for a total of 5 Warlocks.
Difference is, even if they remove the character keyword, the conclave, unlike the support weapon platforms, is still a “leader” unit that can to attached to another unit. So unlike the support weapon platform they are still affected by any rules and restrictions regarding the leader/attached/bodyguard rules. Unless they also removed leader section in the conclave’s data card and replaced it with another ability like the support weapon platform’s.
@@tomashogberg8514on the data card for conclave it says they can be be attached to guardians.
This unit is what I want so badly, I want a wizard army when playing aeldari
it is exactly that!
I absolutely love psyker themed armies and last edition used to run a lot of them, the flavour loss (and index rules to be honest) meant I havent touched my eldar in some time.
This is something I really want to try, after I work out a thematic Iybraesil list.
That would be awesome! Seer council and this codex has a lot of psyker play!
Just a small tip for TTS, you don't have to click the measure tool every time you measure you can just hold down tab and drag your mouse to to measure from the base of a model
Thank you for the tip!
The clouds have parted and the glorious sun has put forth its radiant touch to our earth as proxy hammer dropped a video on Guardians
The almighty guardians!!
I haven't seen the new codex yet, but i assume that we can't take guardians in 20's anymore? Kind-of a shame, as i did like my big blobs of pointy-ears :/
ya no 20 man units anymore :(
The Storm Star was the first thing i came up with after looking through all the stuff haha. I was picturing it more in the guardian detatchment for the pick up and heal then redeploy every round but now i want to try the turn one teleport setup.
I think both are really good!
@@ProxyHammer1 Im not sure how to feel about Eldrad in my storm guardian brick though. doom is great and we obviously want him on the field for the CP gain but his shooting is so bad compared to a farseer.
@ Ya true but good for sniping characters
Good video. I am excited to try many of the detachments.
Same! Next for me is spirit conclave!
Feels a bit like the world eater rule where it used to say that a transport couldn’t take an eightbounds unit but ppl used to put exalted ones "BCS IT’S NOT WRITTEN"
I mean I don’t know if that’s the same thing necessarily since we know now that conclaves will lose the character keyword day 1
@@ProxyHammer1the thing is does the guardians say you can put more than one character with them like ork boys or does the conclave say so like the DG characters if yes than you can put the conclave with guardians and a warlock but for one I’m not sure since I don’t have the book or any recall to it and it’s just an assumption and it doesn’t sound right
@@ProxyHammer1and warlock conclave didn’t have character keyword in index and how do you know that they have it in codex? Did you find a leak
@ yes they have it in the codex and it was a mistake it will be a day 1 FAQ
@ it’s the ability of the warlocks and farseers (both Eldrad and regular farseer)
I don't care that Skathach knights are in legends now, I'm gonna use them so I can give "Oops all Wardogs" lists a taste of their own medicine by fielding 9 wraithknights
Nice I love it!
You could also give it FNP 4+ against mortal wounds with “Runes of Warding”.
You absolutely can!
Wait so in Ynnari i can field a guardian unit with a support weapon, a conclave (when they lose character keyword with the day 1 FAQ), Yvraine and the visarch ? And then with one stratagem you give them Ignores cover and Lethal Hits !😅
Yes you can! Although it might be better to not run the support weapon and use them as Storm guardians!
One point for the unit in spirit conclave: since warlocks aren’t characters, you can assign 2 wounds to a warlock conclave member and get the +1 hit and wound vengeful token on a hard enemy target.
I think the single warlock is too expensive right now, leave him out unless he drops to 30-35 points. -2 charge and one more flamer doesn’t feel like 45 points.
Ya good points! Truthfully I would take a guardian unit either 2 warlock conclave in a spirithost for that exact reason
@ ya I think one of these blobs has value in any detachment as it’s a bit of a jack of all trades, decent overwatch, wounds anything at least a few times with some mass shooting, fade back for free gives nice mobility. Can also leave out a support weapon and the single warlock to bring the cost into the 200s. It attracts the blast indirect but the -1 wound and cover etc make it pretty durable against most indirect. Rather take indirect on guardians over my aspects.
4:00 - so the Warlock conclave gives -1 to wound if model with keyword Farseer (which Eldrad has) is attached to it, not a model with the name "Farseer"?
Correct Eldrad counts as a “Farseer” model as he has the farseer keyword
Think the wording is leading not attached so this only works if you can attach the farseer to the conclave first which seeing as attaching has no sequencing does not work in my opinion. Anyway I still think you can make a cool Death Star without any of the dubious stuffso will be fun to see how this all plays out.
I too am going with seer council as I have always liked the footlocks and have wanted to play them again since they were made nonviable editions ago. When eldar psykers were a bonified melee threat 20+ years ago warlocks were just great. Also, at 30$ per lock and being purchased only in twos it will take about 500$ in locks alone to build this army so I don't see any nerfs to this detachment coming any time soon. But mainly the detachment looks like a lot of fun which is important when playing a losing army with a crap army rule and punishing unjust points costs. The solution to this awful codex might be an obvious and flavorful one. Just let strike force and larger lists field the avatar of khaine for free with the added caveat rule that, "If not within engagement range of any enemy models this model must move up to its full movement distance towards the closest visible enemy unit in its movement phase. If during the charge phase there are any enemy units within 12" this model must charge the closest enemy unit. If multiple units can be charged the model may choose to do so, so long as the closest enemy unit is among the charge targets." The avatar isn't worth his published or leaked points costs considering the nerf(s) and mechanically aligns with only one detachment, the aspect host which is arguably the most starved for points given its reliance on the overpriced phoenix lords. Thematically, every craftworld army brings the avatar when it goes to war so the fluff is there and any opponent will know what to expect and easily be able to plan accordingly. If points costs for most of the units across the board were reduced giving say, 150 more points of design space, abusive lists "could" possibly emerge, so even at twice that the avatar would be less impactful considering his presence in craftworld lists would be ubiquitous and expected, ie he could in many cases just be kited off to some unexciting sector of the board. In addition to softening the blow of this subpar codex's inability to compete in the 100vp meta, this unorthodox solution would sell an awful lot of avatar kits of which there are no doubt many collecting dust in the GW warehouses.
@@theophrastusbomblastus821 ya they definitely wanted to sell warlocks lol 😂
Singing Spears are still the way to go I guess? They really could give some AP to the Witchblades to make em viable....
@@nepnep8382 ya I like the singing spears a lot more personally
@@nepnep8382 I have been wanting Witchblades to have -1 AP for all of 10e.
Would you consider this unit a good option for the Dolmen Key? The unit has a big footprint, so screening the deep strike wouldn't be too difficult even at 6 inches. Unshrouded Truth gives a similar option of getting your flamers in range but with DK you can run Guardian Battlehost to replenish your loses before deep striking again.
I'm not sure what the dolmen key is? Is it a crusade item?
@@ProxyHammer1 Yes it is a Crusade Antiquity Relic that gives the bearer's unit Deep Strike. Rapid Ingress can target them for 0CP, afterwards they can setup 6 inches away from enemy units and on top of objectives, but cannot charge that turn. That seems really good for a Guardian Star unit that can use a Stratagem to pickup and replenish bodyguards. There are more options now for who can have the Dolmen Key, like Aspects being led an Autarch, but the Breath of Vaul synergy seems too good to pass up.
@ that would be fantastic for this unit! Absolutely amazing!
At 405 points, it had best be a death star. Spesh maween players will say it's unfair that it might annihilate a tactical squad. It's not broken at 405 points.
Agreed! Lot of points and has to be used correctly
I generally think the storm star would be better in guardian host, while the defender star would be best in seer council.
Still not sold on seer council, didnt help in my demo game i rolled 5 ones for my fate dice. Don't think it is bad by any stretch, just a little to reliant on rng.
Ya I would agree that Storm star is better in guardian battle host, honestly seer council is really good but a roll of 5 1’s is about the worst thing you could roll lol 😂
They probably need to allow you to roll one less dice and get a reroll like old fate dice
@ProxyHammer1 that is exactly how i would modify it, reroll but lose a die
Support weapons do not have battle focus, I don’t think you’d be able to use the free move back with that in the list
Does the rest of the unit that its attached to lose battle focus if it's attached to a guardian unit?
As long as the unit has battle focus then the support weapon benefits from it to. It’s eligible as long as the unit has the ability to
No it doesn’t unless they errata it out
There is a difference between the support weapons attached to guardians, and the individual support weapon squad.
@@Mathenaut yes there is!
I think the single warlock is too expensive right now, leave him out unless he drops to 30-35 points. -2 charge and one more flamer doesn’t feel like 45 points.
You get rid of the 2 side objectives with the ritual.
Ahhh ok I must be thinking about a 9th edition mission where players would create objectives as the game went on lol 😂
I'd like to know your opinions on msu aspects vs a 10 man brick. Having played some 10 games of aspect host and debating it in my head for a while I just don't think 10 man squads are the way to go. I makes movement shenanigans harder to pull off and paying for a 10 man unit and a phoenix lord needs to kill a lot to make its points back, cause let's face it, you would never do cleanse with 10 dire avengers and Asurmen. Anyway, I value your opinion and if you see something I don't, I'd like to know.
I’ve been debating this myself, truthfully to make a 10 man worth it they need to do a lot of work and a lot of armies have reasonable mobility and can pick up both a Waveserpent and the unit inside after you kill your target. It’s a very high risk unit. I think falcons with min units of aspects is a much safer way to trade and provides more damage at the cost of a bit of durability.
@ProxyHammer1 I agree, although I think wave serpents are a good way to fit a 5 man unit and a phoenix lord and put some scorpions in it to give scout, to deliver them faster to where they need to be.
@@stamatisarvanitidis2430 They lose scout if in a serpent with a unit that doesnt have it
@@ProxyHammer1 oh, I didn't know that. That's unfortunate, however wave serpents are still a good durable option, I just need to rethink my strategy.
@ you could always just use them for the extra durability on a cheaper platform to save poimts
Oh man you have to try it in Guardian Battlehost.
Eldrad
Warlock with Protectoe
4 Warlocks
Dcannon
Bright Lance
10 Defenders
It is hilarious. Free overwatch on 4s. -1 to wound and access to -2 to wound. Uppy downy respawn. Full wound rerolls. It just keeps chugging.
It’s an awesome unit that does insane damage in guardian battle host! I just like trolling people with insane movement abilities
Metal warlocks are like 18-25 dollars a pop on ebay sogood way to stock up if you dont mind stripping paint
@@keyanklupacs6333 yep not bad and I’ve found them for around 10$
@@ProxyHammer1 hoo boy that's a steal!
I was very looking forward to seeing you expand on your excitement for seer council and I must say, as ever, it seem you were onto something about "seer council being top detachment in new codex". But as impressed as I am I'm still a bit confused about your conclusion => since this deathstar is all about control, and we lost if not all, many capabilities to actually occuppy the board (avatar nerfed, wraithknight still too pricy outside of wraith detachment), and you say yourself "this combo in seer council is NOT about killing everything by turn 2", and with just one of theses you already commit 1/4 of your points to one big thing that can't occupy mid board, can't attack alone, can't show itself too early, can't move undefended
=> so with what do you pair it? With what do you defend it without paying half your point to justify one good combo? And most importantly, since I'm not supposed to use this as I would 5 swooping hawks/6 windriders, can't use it as a bully unit => why, still in seer council (so not the aspect detachmnent synergy BUT with the awesome movement and survivability granted by nearby psykers that don't have to be in big 400 pts units), am I not choosing 10 dire avengers and asurmen in a wave serpent, or 5 fire dragons and fuegan in falcon, or 10 banshees and jain zhar etc... over this ?
I feel like I'm paying more to do the same thing as aspect warrior detachmnent here, and must adhere to a playstyle heavily punished by IG arti spam, and as you said, HEAVY (emphasis on the heavy ie 4+ invul in some cases => necrons) vehicules which, point for point, are gonna sit on my deathstar like it's nothing ... where as aspect detachment with asurmen death ball and the new fuegan in fire dragon+falcon => protected AND dangerous to all AND mobile ... but most importantly, cheaper
This is exactly the issue the new Codex is going to face. Primary was shitty before and its basically gone entirely now with the durability of Avatar, Yncarne, Wraiths and War Walkers nerfed.
@@maverick1191 My intent with this comment wasn't so much complaining about the strenght of new aeldari with codex, it was more about "I understand now that we have powerfull combos, that there is more to this codex than "warhost and aspect detachment" => but I still can't see how "this deathstar" is better than going with other big synergies and combos offered by the new aspects warrior/phoenix lords options
TLDR : But how exactly is new guardians+warlock better than new aspect+phoenix lords ? Even without taking aspect detachment and going seer council why bother with such highly costed and complicated combos when there SEEMS (the core of my interogation) to be cheaper and better options
ps: also with wraith/avatar/warwalkers => don't forget the massive nerf to guide and especially fortune regarding imposing strategic stress on primary
It’s important to keep in mind that all of the units you mentioned do not have the ability to absorb damage or control your opponent with Overwatch which is a key element to how this unit works.
The other thing to note is that you are not using this unit in place of your strong damage dealing combos (Dragons, Asurman, avengers, bsnshees, etc) but alongside those units making this unit even harder to access.
Also remember that seer council does not have any Strats that allow units to get back in transports once banshees make a charge or dragons light something up there is nothing that can protect them from getting shot a single time before using fade away and that can often spell doom for the unit.
On the other hand if you push this unit forward and use it in conjunction with a hard hitting damage dealer like dire avengers your opponent’s options become very limited as they move up to deal with the avengers they are vulnerable to this units machinations next turn but if they try to handle this unit it’s going to be a tough prospect because of all the stratagem support and extra durability.
As much as I love the ability to hop back in a serpent with avengers there are armies that are quick enough to get angles on a serpent behind a ruin, destroy it, then charged your now battle shocked unit inside who are unable to use Strats. If positioned correctly the conclave doesn’t have this issue as it will fade away then pop psychic shield immediately, plus being at -1 to wound helps it mitigate the initial damage. Aspect warriors will lose a lot of models in that first attack (5 Intercessors will kill half of them with ease).
It’s about having options and this unit can be placed in many different ways depending on whatever you need them to do. A Swiss Army knife in an army of highly specialized tools.
And also I would not say that they are “Better” but fulfill a role we no longer have with a unit that is much more diverse in the problems it can tackle than wraithbricks used to be able to do.
You are definitely going to want both types of unit in your list
@ very informative, as always, thank you very much for the precision, can't wait for your next video about the topic ^^ (of seer council and other non obvious eldar tricks with the new codex)
You can't have three character units in a unit. You can't have Eldrad, and Warlocks plus another warlock.
As of now you can because in the declare formations step you declare eldrad is joining the conclave first, then the conclave joins the guardian squad. Plus the warlock conclave is confirmed to be getting a day 1 FAQ to remove their character keyword so a lone warlock can then join the unit as eldrad and the warlock are allowed to be in the same unit.
@@ProxyHammer1 there is no sequencing in this step. Rules as written you first notes down secretly your attached leaders and then both players reveal them in one go.
@ I assumed there was but either way all of the models i mentioned (conclave, eldrad, farseer, warlock) can join the unit because of the specific abilities on their datacards that allow them to do so. I do think farseer+eldrad in the same unit will be faq tho
@ProxyHammer1 Attached Units with Multiple Characters (no more than two)
Some models have rules that allow them to be attached to a specified unit even if another specified CHARACTER is already attached to that unit (e.g. Lieutenant models attaching to units already led by a Captain or Chapter Master). In all such cases, only one additional model with rules to this effect can be added to a unit already led by a different CHARACTER.
@ Yes but the conclaves are losing the key word character. So that is what makes this possible. Also in the Core rules it states that a unit can never have more than one leader, but there are datasheets that allow you to break this and add multiple leaders to a unit. Your example of the LT for example or a warlock and a farseer in the Eldar Index. So, yes you can in fact have a Warlock, a Farseer/Eldrad (one or the other again the datasheets may RAW say otherwise but im sure this is an oversight), and a conclave as they are being FAQ to lose the character keyword and also are able to join a unit that also includes a farseer/warlock because of the farseer and warlocks own exception to the normal leader rules.
But hey maybe im wrong and GW will need to FAQ and errata the whole thing ;/
Ah i see. You misread a lot of the guardian buffs. A lot of them work when YOU are on an objective.
I didn’t realize that my apologies
Attach rules are weird. You need to attach cocnclave first to attach farseer there(Eldrad is too pathetic damage wise). Or attach singular warlock first so you can attach farseer
Either way it works because the warlock conclave is losing their character keyword and they are not leaders so they attach in the same way a support weapon does.
Forgive me if I am wrong, but I dont think that is how Cull the Horde works, I believe the very last paragraph stops this from being a horde unit:
Note: For the purposes of the above conditions, models in attached Leader units are ignored.
@@pkslade5276 warlock conclaves are losing their character keyword and I think the leader ability and the support weapon also doesn’t have the leader ability it’s just called support artillery. But maybe they will FAQ so that the support weapons wounds don’t count also in which case ya I think you would be right.
Help a returning player out. Can units combine/detatch mid game? For example after disembarking in T2? question for anyone. Also have a nice weekend.
@@francis5600 unfortunately not unless the unit the character was leading is destroyed
I hate guardians, up until now I have always just used corsairs as my battle line and have had great results although I don't know what the new setup if that's going to be possible
Corsairs are still decent battle line they just don’t benefit from a lot of Eldar rules
@ProxyHammer1 thank you I was hoping to hear that
The following the the guardian detachment list Id love to see:
4 war walkers
4 vypers
2x storm guardians
2x defender guardians
2x d cannons
2x shadow weavers
2x warlocks
2x 10 man Dire avengers
1x Asurman
support weapons and warlocks attach to the guardians. Grab enhancement that gives inflitrate and the one that gives 4+ overwatch when on objective. ignore indirect and straight fire the support weapons.
14 bright lances, d cannons hitting on 2s with AP -5. And tons of debuffs on enemies.
@@nicholaschapogas5296 I like this list although I would swap the two Vypers out for a shroud runner for ignored cover and a couple of choice enhancements
@ProxyHammer1 make your opponent fear getting on objectives.
You are all being abused by GW. Make up your own rules
Are you suggesting self abuse?
Stop abusing yourself! 😂😂@@garylane6227
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