1. Thank you so much for talking about the drawbacks of farms. I always feel like they slow me down, but when I play with friends, I don’t have the words to convince them to stop 2. You have such a clear way of talking through your thought process, it’s really nice to hear everything explained in simple terms. 3. Please keep at these guides; your immense talent is going to be even sharper with the practice that putting these videos together will provide. I’m really really looking forward to the next one!
Thanks for the great vids. You by far make the most helpful build order videos of any pro! You are a natural teacher, thanks for making the game more enjoyable for many.
It would be interesting to see how to countering strategies like this. I understand that it depends on matchup but I often feel the inevitable loss because the opponent is going all-in
3:48 I know this is not the point of the video but I finally understand how people actually know exactly when to stop collecting because when I wait for vills to drop off, I end up having 30-40 extra and I thought it was just good intuition to know when to order the drop off mid collection.
Thanks Valdemer, very nice video explaining your thought process. Super helpful. One question I have is what should we do, if the opponent goes castle before us. Do we push in with feudal units, assuming we have bigger army or ourselves go castle?
If they have no units, then pushing in with a lot of units can do a lot of damage. If they do have a lot of units that counter our comps we play it safe and go castle :)
I understand the purpose of King's palace, it's like safety, in case you get repelled, your eco is scalling better. But you anyway didn't go for safety, you dove the moment opponent hit age 3, so if this was the plan, isn't it better to use White tower offensively? If you had built White tower close to enemy (and next to some resource that the vills who built the LM will proceed to gather), you can produce siege right away. First trebuchet pops out in 15 sec and you start sieging at ~17:30 latest. (counting 30 sec for vills to walk) After that opponent can either fight into White tower to deal with trebuchets, which he will lose, or he can repair, in which case you just add more trebuchets.
Is this build order still valid in patch 8? I'm a newbie, so I probably made mistakes, but when the straggler trees are gone, I miss around 90 wood for the lumber camp and the third house. By this time, I had 3 long bows and 2 spearmen.
2nd TC after a Drush would not make sense as those don't really go together in terms of timings and tempo advantage. The followup with more military is the strength of this build. If you want to do 2tc then you're doing it against civs you cant be aggressive against early such as Rus.
It gets more complicated with malians but vs Rus you should play 2tc into FC. If you would like to delve deeper into matchup specific strats, then I would recommend contacting me on discord for coaching. :)
No, it will not. Instead, use the fast feudal longbow guide on my channel, and dont make a barracks. Full produce longbows and add upgrades at min 8-10
Someone just tried this on me. I hadn't seen the video yet. I was Rus and building a Kremlin next to my gold when the MAA attacked. The attack was in range of my TC though, so he had to move back with half health. As soon as my Kremlin finished, it killed his MAA. I thought he was going all in so I did too with knights and archers. He was gathering deer away from his base with no tower. I had 3 scouts so I saw it. My knights killed a few vills. His spearmen came shortly after just as I had archers. I just had my knights run away while archers killed his spearmen. Then I sent the knights back. They arrived as his archers showed up. So his archers were no match for my knights. I only had 3 I think at that point. I won. It was a fun game. The lesson is you can't just blindly follow a build order. You have to adapt. If the gold is in range of the TC, attacking the gold in the dark age might not be the best plan. I'm sure it's good in the right situation. Also, notice he doesn't send his vills unprotected to deer. Valdemar went to berries. It's slower than deer, but the faster gather rate won't make up for several dead villagers. You have to adapt to what is going on in your game. This build looks fun, but that doesn't mean it'll work in every game against every civ.
@@geoffreylow5845 that would be why. Plus as Rus I really didn't need to mine early on, just choose to get a knight, but even if he kept me off gold it wouldn't be that bad as Rus.
It's a great build on viable maps but there should be a disclaimer that it isn't viable on some maps for example in golden pit the gold vein can literally spawn under the tc
A white tower in their face would probably work well if you've managed to harass all game. I've done it a few times and they're forced to use rams which aren't that great now
@@cavalierr8029 lol. I just meant Valdemar is so good that the best players look bad when they play against him. I just noticed the name of his opponent.
1. Thank you so much for talking about the drawbacks of farms. I always feel like they slow me down, but when I play with friends, I don’t have the words to convince them to stop
2. You have such a clear way of talking through your thought process, it’s really nice to hear everything explained in simple terms.
3. Please keep at these guides; your immense talent is going to be even sharper with the practice that putting these videos together will provide. I’m really really looking forward to the next one!
I really appreciate it!
Thanks for the great vids. You by far make the most helpful build order videos of any pro! You are a natural teacher, thanks for making the game more enjoyable for many.
Thank you!
It would be interesting to see how to countering strategies like this. I understand that it depends on matchup but I often feel the inevitable loss because the opponent is going all-in
going to the berries firt makes this build quite different. I'll try. ty ;)
Thank you for revisiting civs throughout the season!
Love it, I’ve done this strat organically, so nice to see an actual BO with the edges smoothed out. Great job!
great build man, absolutely crazy.
You are the best man! Tack så mycket 👊
Great video. I never the use the berries as English, I go straight from sheep to farms 🐑
You're the most clear aoe channel i've ever seen keep doing theese videos please 👌
3:48
I know this is not the point of the video but I finally understand how people actually know exactly when to stop collecting because when I wait for vills to drop off, I end up having 30-40 extra and I thought it was just good intuition to know when to order the drop off mid collection.
Thanks Valdemer, very nice video explaining your thought process. Super helpful. One question I have is what should we do, if the opponent goes castle before us. Do we push in with feudal units, assuming we have bigger army or ourselves go castle?
If they have no units, then pushing in with a lot of units can do a lot of damage. If they do have a lot of units that counter our comps we play it safe and go castle :)
exactly what i was looking for thanks
Allways good to see your vids
I understand the purpose of King's palace, it's like safety, in case you get repelled, your eco is scalling better. But you anyway didn't go for safety, you dove the moment opponent hit age 3, so if this was the plan, isn't it better to use White tower offensively?
If you had built White tower close to enemy (and next to some resource that the vills who built the LM will proceed to gather), you can produce siege right away. First trebuchet pops out in 15 sec and you start sieging at ~17:30 latest. (counting 30 sec for vills to walk) After that opponent can either fight into White tower to deal with trebuchets, which he will lose, or he can repair, in which case you just add more trebuchets.
really good explanation !
Can you do villager count on resources instead of rpm % so we can see easier how many at what times
Thanks for the build. Question: Delhi, Mongols, and ZXL are my nemesis as an English main. Is this build good for all three of these civs?
Keeping my eyes out for HRE
Is this build order still valid in patch 8?
I'm a newbie, so I probably made mistakes, but when the straggler trees are gone, I miss around 90 wood for the lumber camp and the third house. By this time, I had 3 long bows and 2 spearmen.
Great vid and subbed,
Unfortunately build order is not found when clickin on the link
how do you beat this?
At 12-15min (gametime) why not send 1 longbow to watch the resources near the west corner?
That is certaintly not a bad idea :)
My only complaint is that you do not do more of these more often. :)
There are quite a few coming soon ;)
Brother thanks for the video. Can you please make a variation with dark age rush into 2nd TC at the gold + FC?
2nd TC after a Drush would not make sense as those don't really go together in terms of timings and tempo advantage. The followup with more military is the strength of this build.
If you want to do 2tc then you're doing it against civs you cant be aggressive against early such as Rus.
Ok thx for replying. Love the vids!
Very clean game :)
which civs is this build order bad against you would say? thx
You want to play other strategies vs Rus, English, Malians. :)
Hi bro, just a question, which build order you will recommend against rus and Malian? @@Valdemar1902
It gets more complicated with malians but vs Rus you should play 2tc into FC. If you would like to delve deeper into matchup specific strats, then I would recommend contacting me on discord for coaching. :)
That sound good, can I have your discord name?
Can you do this for HRE soon!? 🙏
Whats the meaning of drush? I dont find it in google translate
It means “dark age rush” 🙂 (an abbreviation)
Can you please make one for Ottomans
I like Building white tower because it looks really nice
Agains what civs is a good Idea do this build order?🤔
You can do this build against most civs but not vs Rus, English, Malians. :)
I couldn’t find a link for discord?
Never mind I found it! Lol
Actually I’m not familiar with discord, do I search your name under messages?
will this work for english mirror?
No, it will not. Instead, use the fast feudal longbow guide on my channel, and dont make a barracks. Full produce longbows and add upgrades at min 8-10
Someone just tried this on me. I hadn't seen the video yet. I was Rus and building a Kremlin next to my gold when the MAA attacked. The attack was in range of my TC though, so he had to move back with half health. As soon as my Kremlin finished, it killed his MAA. I thought he was going all in so I did too with knights and archers. He was gathering deer away from his base with no tower. I had 3 scouts so I saw it. My knights killed a few vills. His spearmen came shortly after just as I had archers. I just had my knights run away while archers killed his spearmen. Then I sent the knights back. They arrived as his archers showed up. So his archers were no match for my knights. I only had 3 I think at that point. I won. It was a fun game. The lesson is you can't just blindly follow a build order. You have to adapt. If the gold is in range of the TC, attacking the gold in the dark age might not be the best plan. I'm sure it's good in the right situation. Also, notice he doesn't send his vills unprotected to deer. Valdemar went to berries. It's slower than deer, but the faster gather rate won't make up for several dead villagers. You have to adapt to what is going on in your game. This build looks fun, but that doesn't mean it'll work in every game against every civ.
This build order is not good at all versus Rus as they got gold from gaia and has Kremlin, so yea every build order has to be picked wisely.
if you looked at his BO he linked, you'd see he listed 3 civs this is not good vs. 1 of them being the russians
@@geoffreylow5845 that would be why. Plus as Rus I really didn't need to mine early on, just choose to get a knight, but even if he kept me off gold it wouldn't be that bad as Rus.
Nice build but I think it’s more suitable to start with 2TC for English, more resources, RAMS upgrades etc. are more deadly
It's a great build on viable maps but there should be a disclaimer that it isn't viable on some maps for example in golden pit the gold vein can literally spawn under the tc
Do you coach console gamers?
A white tower in their face would probably work well if you've managed to harass all game. I've done it a few times and they're forced to use rams which aren't that great now
guy played this against me today and i completely destroyed him buahahah
that cisco guy in your game is pretty bad i think
He makes anyone look bad.
@@williamwolfe9335 this is an inside joke, I am Cisco lmfao
@@cavalierr8029 lol. I just meant Valdemar is so good that the best players look bad when they play against him. I just noticed the name of his opponent.