James Bond Codename Timeline | Insane Fan Theory (007)
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
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Spoiler Alert for some of the Bond Films.
The James Bond film series has been around for more than 50 years, (55 in fact) so there has to be some theories about the films right? Oh you bet there is, and today I am gonna tackle one of the oldest in the series as well as, try to add in others into a huge Bond Timeline.
Ever wonder why the character James Bond tends to change appearance and never seems to age? Well there has been long standing speculation that not only is 007 a codename, but the name James Bond is also a codename. So my goal here is to try to make sense of the theory, and build a timeframe around it.
So if James Bond is a Codename or moniker like 007, what is the timeline? Lets find out.
What is your take on this theory? Do you agree with it or do you personally hate this theory, and can debunk it in one fail swoop?
Also who is your favorite Bond? Let me know in the comments below. Personally for me its a toss up between Brosnan and Dalton.
The following films are spoiled in this video:
On Her Majesty's Secret Service
Skyfalll
Spectre
Additional Bond theories in this video:
Silva is a past Bond,
Sean Connery in The Rock is an older James Bond
Blofeld in Spectre is related to the original Blofeld.
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Who thinks that Daniel Craig will come back for Bond 25?
It would have been fun to mess with audiences if they had cast Timothy Dalton in Silva's role...
yeah
though mabye because of M and that betrey thing mabye neverminde to many plit holes
I think he would be great as a Bond villian.
For some reason, an idea occurred to me for Craig's bond getting the name originally within the code name theory. Namely, that Craig's Bond is the Grandson of the original James Bond, wether that's Connery's or not. Think about it. During his antics as James Bond, Mason leaves behind a pregnant Bond girl. She can't find him due to MI6, and MI6 doesn't want a family compromising 007, so they quietly put her up in an out of the way Scottish farm. She has a son, Andrew Bond, after all she doesn't know Mason's real name. Andrew grows up hearing about his father as children's stories, but as an adult grows to resent MI6 keeping his father from him. He passes those stories on to his son James, who is similarly enamerred of them, and resolves to join MI6, both to honor his grandfather and to learn what really happened to Mason. So Craig would be the first bond we've seen who actually is named James Bond.
I think he's Connery's son, considering in canon Craig's bond was born in 1968, and if we're going by the timeline in the video, Connery's last mission was in 1967. The theory you presented is basically the same, he got a girl pregnant, MI6 laid him off, giving him his father's name of "Andrew Bond" and a job at BAE, an arms manufacturer. He told Craig of his exploits (hence his appearances as an older man, how Craig would've envisioned him), never losing his love of danger, he and his wife died tragically of a climbing accident in 1979, in much the same vein of his own father.
No it’s a REBOOT
It’s a reboot ffs, you people are so hopeless.
Sean Connery’s Bond frequently is referred to by his rank as Commander in the Royal Navy.
Rest In Peace Roger Moore
Shotana Studios Wonder if we are related.. Have the same hair as him, wouldnt shock me..
You even forgot one line in Licence to Kill that might further prove that Dalton is Lazenby. One person states In licence to Kill that
“bond was married once before. He doesn’t like to talk about it.
I think James Bond is secretly jaws the shark he does get about 🤔
Rest In Peace Sean Connery
@@fijistarproductions990 yes i think so to and that's why he takes what happens to felix and della so personally
I know Canon wise we are supposed to believe that every Bond from Connery to Brosnan. Is the exact same character from Dr. No to Die Another Day. Yet the code name theory for me makes more sense than the former. Rather than the latter. I really liked this video, awesome job!
The whole deal with Bond telling the cop his name and the cop saying he's Dick Tracy, it could be that the name James Bond is more or less like a mythical figure in the eyes of certain circles of the public.
I would love for the codename theory to be true if anything for the potential for team-ups with past bonds. My dream team-up would be Craig and Connery but sadly that's not possible anymore.
Dalton was slated to play Bond before Lazenbe but he said it would suit an older man
James Bond is not a codename and the Daniel Craig films are in a different continuity. Let me prove first that the Daniel Craig films are in a different continuity:
1. You said something about Franz Oberhauser being related to one of the Blofelds in the Connery films. Let me tell u why that doesn't add up:
The ring with the octopus symbol in Spectre (2015) is treated as a mystery that Bond needs to solve. However, if the film was in the same continuity as the older Bonds, surely the current James Bond would be familiar with his predecessors' work and would immediately recognise the symbol as referring to the organisation they fought against in the 1960s and 1970s? And if for some reason he didn't know about that history, surely a quick database search for the symbol by Q would reveal it? But as it is, no one seems to know or refer to this long history between MI-6 and SPECTRE, and SPECTRE is treated as totally new adversary which also proves that the Daniel Craig films are in a different continuity.
2. Towards the end of Spectre, Oberhauser is wounded and gets a similar facial scar as the original Blofeld had. If the earlier Blofeld existed in the same continuity, it's quite an amazing coincidence that Oberhauser just happens to be wounded in the exact same way his predecessor was.
3.If Judi Dench is playing the same character from the Pierce Brosnan films then 'Tomorrow Never Dies' (1997) can't have happened because in Skyfall she says she was in a station chief role in Hong Kong in 1997, the time that film takes place
Ok now I'm gonna prove why the codename theory is rubbish.
1. In Spectre, Oberhauser who knew Bond (Daniel Craig) as a kid calls him "James" If "James Bond" is a codename, he would have a different name as a kid. So why would Oberhauser humour him and not use his real name which he knows??
2. I mean c'mon Kincade in 'Skyfall' (2012) clearly called him James Bond. If it's a codename why did didn't he call him by his "real" name. Also the rifle that belonged to his father has his initials carved into it.
3. In 'The Spy Who Loved Me' a character remembers Bond (Roger Moore) from Cambridge University. Does that mean Roger Moore used the codename in his university years before Connery? I don't think so.
4. 'GoldenEye's (1995) pre title sequence takes place 9 years earlier in 1986 before 'The Living Daylights' (1987) Does that mean Pierce Brosnan took the codename before Timothy Dalton?? I don't think so.
5. One of the movie posters for Roger Moore's 2nd Bond film 'The Man with the Golden Gun' (1974) shows past villains: Dr. No, Rosa Kleb, Goldfinger and Blofeld with the tagline "The world's greatest villains tried to kill James Bond. Now it's Scaramanga's turn to try." Here's the link of the poster too see for yourself:
www.impawards.com/1974/posters/man_with_the_golden_gun_ver2_xlg.jpg
If it's a codename Roger Moore didn't battle all those villains.
Well there you go. All the Bonds pre-Casino Royale (2006) are the same guy. The Daniel Craig films are in a separate continuity. There's only one James Bond. Nobody does it better!
1) That depends on how secretive MI6 was about the existence of SPECTRE. They are a secret intelligence agency, after all 2) Poetic coincidences are a staple of storytelling3) She could have retained the title for a time until her duties as M forced her to resign. Interestingly, Tomorrow Never Dies is set mostly in China, so maybe she was using the title as an excuse to keep a close eye on things there.Part 21) It's been discussed that Craig's Bond was raised from childhood and manipulated into believing he is the real James Bond. Silva (who's real name is Tiago Rodriguez) implies that this was the case with himself, and that he only discovered his true identity when he left MI6, so it could be the case with Bond as well. Silva does emphasis their similar backstories, and how they were both manipulated by M and are practically brothers.2) Going from above, Kinkade could be working for M. The island Silva talks about could be his version of Skyfall, with his "grandmother" being his version of Kinkade, also working for M3) Or the guy just doesn't remember exactly what Bond looked like, since it's been so many years4) If he was distraught over his friend Trevelyan's "death", then it's very plausible he got demoted and replaced. When we cut to 9 years later, Brosnan is undergoing psychiatric evaluation to have his "license to kill" reinstated, implying that he did indeed lose his job and is just now getting it back. While admittedly Dalton also loses his license in the previous film, it's unlikely they would have waited six years to reinstate him.5) Movie posters don't count as official source material, and even with the codename theory, it's not wrong. Those villains did try to kill James Bond, it just wasn't the same James Bond.
The theory still doesn't add up which is why you're not able to explain why an old university mate of Bond's (Roger Moore) in 'The Spy Who Loved Me' (1977) recognises him as "James Bond." But back when Moore was in university, according to this theory either Connery or a predecessor of his would've been the official "James Bond". So Moore would've still had his original name, yet this guy knows him as James Bond.
Let me add another reason why the theory is rubbish:
There are several references of Dalton's Bond having been in this job for a long time. For example in 'The Living Daylights' (1987), Bond mentions to M that he's known General Pushkin for quite a while. When the two meet in the film, Pushkin recognizes Dalton as James Bond without him having to introduce himself, and the two treat each other as long-time worthy opponents. Also, Felix Leiter and a random concierge at a hotel in Tangier both recognize Dalton as James Bond, an old acquaintance. These meetings shouldn't play out the way they do if Dalton was a new guy who'd replaced the old "James Bond" within the last two years.
Ivan IvezI've already said that the university friend may simply not remember exactly what Bond looked like after so many years, and Moore's Bond is pretending to be the same guy to keep up the charade. I haven't seen The Living Daylights in a long time, but depending on the context, the people mentioned could either be in on the codename (especially Felix Leiter, as an ally agent) or could conceivably have met him during the year 1986-1987 when he was serving as Bond after Brosnan left.There are also several things in support of the codename theory. Blofeld doesn't recognize Lazenby's Bond even though he had already met Connery's Bond. Lazenby mentions "the other fellow". Connery's Bond (so far as I remember) makes no mention of a dead wife in Diamonds Are Forever, even though she just died, and seems to be in pretty good spirits for the most part during the film. Moneypenny asks him "when are you going to get me an engagement ring." This would be pretty insensitive if she was talking to the same guy who's wife just got murdered on their wedding day. The personalities of the Bond's are significantly different, and they don't age from 1962-2002 even though other characters around them do, which discredits the slipping timescale explanation.
Fair enough but the theory still doesn't make sense. Why would the university friend not remember what Bond looks like after so many years. Ok I'll buy that but for Moore's Bond to pretend to be the same guy? I don't buy that all. Lazenby saying "the other fellow" was just a joke throwaway to fans. The reason why Blofeld didn't recognise Bond is because the producers chose to stick very closely to the original story when writing the screenplay for On Her Majesty's Secret Service. Bond and Blofeld had not yet met at that point. Roald Dahl, the screenwriter for You Only Live Twice, the novel of which followed On Her Majesty's Secret Service (1963) but was filmed as preceding this movie, made major changes in his screenplay and added a scene where Bond and Blofeld meet.
I mean cmon the whole basis of OHMSS is that James Bond has been chasing Ernst Stavro Blofeld following many misadventures over the previous five films. Why because he's one man! Lazenby’s scouring over previous artefacts (Red Grant’s watch, Honey Ryder’s knife and gadgets from Thunderball) with fondness is validation that he is the same James Bond as Connery.
Bond married Tracy at the end of OHMSS (1969) and are referred to as "Mr and Mrs James Bond" Why would Tracy be called "Mrs Bond" if "James Bond" is a codename?? Now that really doesn't make sense. Speaking of Tracy she's referenced or hinted at in the series since OHMSS (1969):
1. Bond (Sean Connery) in the beginning of 'Diamonds Are Forever' (1971) is seen to be tracking Blofeld furiously obviously because of the events what happened in the previous film. Also if Sean Connery is different why would he come back?
2. In The Spy Who Loved Me (1977), when Bond (Roger Moore) meets Anya Amasova in the Mujava bar, she recites facts of his life, including his many relationships. She comments that he had been "...married only once. Wife killed..." at which point Bond's eyes glaze over for a moment, and he sharply tells her that she's made her point; Anya comments upon Bond's unexpected sensitivity, and he confirms he is sensitive "about certain things."
3. In For Your Eyes Only (1981), Bond (Roger Moore) stands at her grave placing flowers before boarding a helicopter which Blofeld has booby-trapped. It's actually in this sequence where Bond ultimately gets revenge for her murder, by impaling an uncredited Blofeld's wheelchair on one of the helicopter's skids and eventually dropping him (wheelchair and all) down a tall industrial smokestack. If it's codename is he really placing the flowers there for a secret agent who lost his wife in 1969? Hardly
4. In Licence to Kill (1989) , after Felix Leiter's new wife, Della, throws her garter to Bond (Timothy Dalton) and teases him that he's going to be married next, Bond looks pained and leaves. Concerned, Della asks if she said something wrong, and Leiter makes a short, sad reference to the fact that Bond was married "a long time ago". Nothing else is said of the matter, but producers have stated that Bond's brutal hunt of drug dealer Franz Sanchez to avenge Felix's maiming and Della's death is motivated primarily by his own memories of his tragically short marriage.
5. In GoldenEye (1995), Alec Trevelyan asks Bond (Pierce Brosnan) if he has "found forgiveness in the arms of all those willing women for the dead ones you failed to protect?" Although the statement could refer to several women in Bond's past (because it's one man), Tracy is obviously the most prominent woman he has "failed to protect."
6. In The World Is Not Enough (1999), Elektra King (whose father, Robert, had been killed in the pre-credit sequence) asks Bond (Pierce Brosnan) whether he has ever lost anyone 'that he truly loved'. Bond appears uncomfortable and does not answer the question, continuing with a different line of conversation. Also Bond admits that his family motto is “The World Is Not Enough” in the film, a motto audiences first learned in, yes, OHMSS (1969). Again, it reinforces how the great importance OHMSS holds in the Bond canon and, you guessed it...Bond is the same guy.
These are all solid evidence that Sean Connery, George Lazenby, Roger Moore, Timothy Dalton & Pierce Brosnan were playing the same character in the original timeline (1962-2002) Yes I do agree with you when you say the Bonds are significantly different. However it's still the same character. It's like saying Michael Keaton, Val Kilmer, and George Clooney were different Batmen. Doesn't make sense at all.
+Ivan Ivez If it's a codename, why wouldn't he pretend to be the same guy. That's the whole point. Your statements about "the other fellow" comment and Blofeld not recognizing Bond are more so excuses than explanations. They still have no in-universe explanation. Lazenby goes after Blofeld because it's his job. The gadgets in the drawer, for all we know, could have been used by Lazenby's Bond on previous off screen missions. Admittedly though, the knife can't be so easily explained. James and Tracy are referred to as Mr. and Mrs. Bond because it is the name Lazenby is now known by. His past identity has been erased, he has essentially taken on a new life. Blurting out his real name at a wedding in front of dozens of people would defeat the purpose of a codename, which is to conceal the person's real identity.
In Diamonds Are Forever, Connery's Bond could very well be avenging his successor's wife, much as Dalton did for Leiter in Licence to Kill. So far as I remember, Bond never mentions a dead wife in DAF, and seems to be in good spirits for the most part. As an enemy agent, Anya wouldn't know that Bond is a codename. She assumes he is the same guy, and Moore's Bond is playing along. I and others have said elsewhere that MI6 may have found out that Blofeld was planning to kidnap Lazenby's Bond, so they have Moore' Bond pose as him and get kidnapped so the helicopter will take him back to Blofeld and he can finish him off. Note that Moore doesn't seem surprised that Blofeld is alive. The other things are vague enough to leave plenty of room for doubt. For example, when I watched the Brosnan films growing up before I saw the older films, I always thought TWINE was referencing Carver's wife from the previous film.
So in short, I wouldn't say that any of that constitutes "solid evidence". Ryder's knife and the visit to Tracy's grave are the two most complicated points, but they aren't unexplainable. I know that he is intended to be one character, but I personally find it much easier to believe that - given the change in actors and their unique personalities, the lack of aging, and other problems mentioned above - and since he work for a secret agency that is known to use codenames - that it is a codename, rather then to believe that it is one guy who magically changes his appearance but doesn't age over 40 years, even though other characters around him do age.
In the other 007 movies, this theory was probably was true, until casino Royale came out and they rebooted the series, plus they have evidence of theory not being true, but still, that puts whole new perspective on the 007 series
I love how you incorporated the rock in the bond-verse
I’m a fan of the codename theory. I have a personal headcanon that Connery’s Bond is the original 007, and that James Bond was his actual name, and that once he retired, MI6 had the 007 codename be James Bond in honor of him.
So thats it huh? We some kind of notification squad?
Donnie Dewitt the meme goes out on a good one
Can you please explain Felix Leiter. Different actors but yet Felix recognized straight away mmmmmm
It is true about the eye-color-thing. I'd gone from blue to brown to hazel to green before I was 18 -without the help of contacts.
While Judy Dench is retained her timeline is reset. In Skyfall she is stated to have been in Hong Kong from 1986 to 1997 and she missed the Cold War when talking about a newly minted 007. In Brosnans films she was already M in 1995, she inherited Bond and viewed him dismissively as a Cold War relic. They are the same person but from different timelines.
there was a rumor that they wanted sean connery to appear in die another day in a cameo and say he was once 007 I think your video could be right as much as i love bond it never made much sense that he never gets any older and that judy dench was still m
Remember when you mentioned that there was probably a real James Bond at some point?
Well, What if Daniel Craig’s Bond is a descendant of THAT James Bond 🤯
I like that.
In media outside the films, the Brosnan-era M is known as Barbara Mawdsley, whereas Craig’s original M is known as Olivia Mansfield. They are in different timelines due to the differences in Craig’s films and their predecessors. Die Another Day is the last film in the original timeline (which is kind of nice since it was 20 films in a 40-year span), and with what happens in No Time To Die, the next Bond films will likely be in their own timeline. Hope the M stuff is helpful!
It’s not a code name simple. Ian Fleming had created him as Scotsman who went to Cambridge etc.
Very true mate so I’m not sure why people keeping bringing this up when it’s not a code name.
If he's a Scotsman why u got an Englishman (Moore), a welshman (Dalton) and an Irishman (Brosnan) playing him?? And if it's his REAL Name...why does he tell EVERY MAN and his DOG his REAL NAME??? Aren't SECRET AGENTS supposed to keep their IDENTITY ermm SECRET??!! But there he goes like a MORON...my names BOND,...JAMES BOND!! LOL...Just in case u didn't CATCH IT...the 1st Time!!! The Code Name theory is the ONLY theory that makes sense!😎😎😎😎😎😎
An agent would survive longer with a well founded cover. Creating a series of 9 such covers that would be rock solid and based on real people would be ideal. All it would take is to make a few changes on the records and the visuals and each generation of the agent is set in concrete. Replace the tombstones every few years with slightly different dates or add another set to fit the needed timeline and the visuals are set. The government controls the records so a few pages are added and everything is good.
All that is needed is a military or government background to explain why the locals never see the family themselves.
The biggest drawback would be that the cover names, once blown, would have to be abandoned since the name Bond would be on every watch list in the world.
It's not just a codename, it's an identity different agents assume through a brainwashing program, Jason Bourne style. Each Bond gets the core memories of the old ones and keeps the character alive, but with individual personality traits and quirks. This is all done at the Bond mansion, to give new agents stimuli to believe their identity. When M calls Brosnan's Bond a relic of the Cold War, she's talking about the program itself. Connery, the original Bond, found out about the project and left, but was talked into returning for one last job after Lazenby's sudden departure.
But then Spectre came out and ruined every fan theory, as well as the series' own continuity.
And what are you talking about Diamonds doesn't address Bond's wife ? The whole Prologue is about Bond looking for Blofeld to get revenge .
Rest in Peace Sean Connery
Sir Sean connery
To the uploader of this video Diamonds comes after On Her Majesty's Secret Service. Pay attention to the opening teaser trailer and it goes around trying to find blofeld when you finally kills him he doesn't have a quirky come back all he says is welcome to hell blofeld. Then after the credits one of his bosses asks him I hope your vacation was restful, in which Bond replied not restful but satisfying. M says to bond blofeld is dead finished now I expect some real work out of you. This implies the M did not sanction to execution of blofeld. So why would Bond do this on his own time? Simple to get revenge for the death of his wife Tracy.
Yes all the Bonds from Connery to Brosnan are the same guy with a little soap opera style age hijinks to work in the Baby Boomers Tim and Pierce. Craig is the same guy in a different universe/ timeline.
The main thing is this theory implies far too much planning. Much of the early discrepancies stem from Sean wanting out and then Lazenby declining to continue. United Artists forced Eon to bring back Sean for Diamonds, brought back the Director for Goldfinger and aside from the change to Moore, kept the model for 3 films in a row. All of this was dictated by the need to keep the series going with Connery out. Continuity was downplayed to minimize the drama behind the scenes. But it is clear there is a revenge arc in beginning of DAF.
Also Bond’s family motto is “The World Is Not Enough” a reference made by both Brosnan and Lazenby 30 years apart implying they’re the same person. Is this part of the coded back story they have to learn on appointment again?
Plain and simple it has been always the same agent only different actors. But never seen as different agents. And ofcourse in a 50 years franchise some movies are bit revised. The Graig movies are the start and filling gaps of the other movie time lines before Blofeld dies
Also, think about Q, and how in the Brosnan films, we see him pass off the mantle, and then in the Craig films, pass it off again. I think both M and Q are key parts to the theory, with them being portrayed by the same actors and passing on the titles to new people.
How do you explain that in On Her Majesty’s Secret Service while bond packs up his things he finds Honey Riders knife from Dr. No, Red Grants Watch from From Russia with love, and a breathing device from Thunderball those were all Connery films and Lazenby’s Bond feels sentimental about the items as if he remembers where and who the items came from.
The same way I explain Lazenby saying, "this never happened to the other fellow"... I can't. Lol
That Theory is nuts so Lazenby just so happens to have souvenirs from Connery Bonds MOVIES and memories not to Mention Moore Dalton and Brosnan all getting uptight when Tracy's is mentioned not there is reference to Tracy's in Diamonds Are Forever in the pre credit sequence he is on the Hunt for Blofeld and the first thing you see is a guy going through a wall this whole stupid theory is based off three things this never happened to the other fellow line of Lazenby the Sean Connery movie the Rock and Daniel Craig I can go on and on disproving that theory but for sale of time I won't go any further
Maybe , the common public would have heard of a "James Bond" marrying some girl called Tracy , so everytime they would ask "James Bond" 😅 about her , "James Bond" guy would try to act that he Tracy very well , but in reality, he would have nothing to do with girl so as to just manipulate people.
From what I recall of Diamonds are Forever, the pre-title sequence is of Bond looking for Blofeld , seeking revenge for his wife's death. Also, the 'Blofeld' Moore's Bond kills in For your eyes only is not identified as Blofeld - at the time that movie was made, there was a dispute over the ownership rights of Blofeld and Spectre. This issue was only really resolved in time for Spectre (probalby the reason why Quantom story arc was developed.
Dalton's bond did actually resign in Licence To Kill so perhaps that explains why he didn't return to the secret service.
But then why did he keep the codename if it was part of his job?
@@EditedAF987 Just to humor the theory, there could be a slew of reasons. Maybe he simply likes the name, maybe he feels that it's the core of his identity now as a result of his rigorous training, maybe he felt like he could benefit from riding the coattails of the "codename" Bond
While I don't think that codenames exist I do think there are multiple alternate timelines, starting with Connery in his own contained timeline, Lazenby and Moore, Lazenby and Dalton, Brosnan, and Craig.
Litterally had this same thought dude it makes the most sense and when people recognize "James bond" cuz they're characters that recognize the distinction "James bond?!" esque moments and even though its a new person they recognize the distinction of James bond
Thank you for making another video!! Every time i watch your content, i always think " damn his cool
+Jack Draper
Thank YOU for watching.
James Bond definetly was not a code name until at least the Brosnan era . Both Moore and Dalton had a wife that got killed so it's obvious that they were supposed to be the same character . After Dalton it gets a bit murky .
I think that Craig's bond was Connery's son. In the canon timeline, Craig's bond was born in 1968. Connery's last official mission if we go by this timeline was in 1967. Devin Gendron had a good theory about how Connery got a girl pregnant and thus, MI6 cut him loose. I believe as a last favor to him for his service, MI6 gave him the identity of "Andrew Bond" and a job as a company rep of Vickers' Defense Systems, just like his "father" in his backstory, he tells Craig's bond of his exploits as an older man. (Never Say Never Again/The Rock) and because he never lost the love of danger, he and his wife tragically died in a climbing accident in the Alps in 1979.
I seem to remember Bond, when he was suffering amnesia at the end of You only Live Twice (book, not movie), was with a Japanese woman who didn't disclose she was pregnant after Bond decided to head back to Europe (via Russia). So, Craig's Bond is half Japanese.
The rock happens while Sean's bond is still out on adventures.
evil runs in the family? are you sure we aren't talking about Lex Luthor? LMFAO
Yep, I totally buy that theory
you know damn well bond raw dogged every single one of those women and didn't pull out
It’s not a code name at all.
It was never meant to be. Fleming wrote it as one Scotsman whose parents died and studied at Cambridge and soon became a secret agent. James Bond is the man. 007 is the codename. Full stop.
The reason the movies timeline is so messy is cause these movies were made before MARVEL made continuity such a big thing in films. Bond is a popular character with many different actors playing him through the ages, just like Batman. Surely you’re not gonna convince me that there are multiple men who use Bruce Wayne as a codename, are you? Exactly.
The Batman movies make it clear they are different universes, not a very good analogy. You are right about the Marvel thing though.
@@KingRey. I know it’s not the best analogy but it is when you remember that what they have in common is that both Wayne and Bond are one man, not multiple men using one alias. That’s what I meant. The truth is that the Bond movies had bad writing and lack of proper continuity.
Very true.
Don't get why people worry about Dench playing M in two timelines. They are two different roles that happen to be played by same actress. Might as well say that all movies that featured Dench must be related to the Bond universe.
Truly you have a dizzying intellect...
James bond is absolutely not a code name, this is a fact its not up for debate. 007 is the code name. If you think james bond is a codename you have no clue what the series is about
The Codename theory is cool and all, but when u go deeper it doesn't make sense. Mentioned wife aswell in Licence to Kill, Pierce going silent when Elektra asks him if he has ever lost a loved one. The lazenby "other fella" thing was more or less a nod to the audience, he even looks at the camera in the end of the scene. In the start of Diamonds Are Forever bond chases down people all over the world to find Blofeld for killing Tracey. George clears out his desk in OHMSS reminiscing about older missions. He pulls out Honey Ryders knife, Red Grants watch etc. In The Spy Who Loved Me, the mentioning of Tracey gets Bond sort of personal. He tells Anya to more or less stop talking about his dead wife, since Bond is with another Agent and on a mission he gets serious but acts professional due to him on the mission. The For Your Eyes Only smirk after killing Blofeld might be the same cause, stay professional. He is played by goofy Roger Moore after all. Then again he is still an agent, probably trained to not get emotional. It is a cool theory but just no. Besides Daniel Craig, thats a reboot.
Well, I believe that Sean Connery's bond is John mason and I believe that lazenby's bond and Dalton's bond is Damian drake from Looney tunes back in action because he has the... well, you get the point. That bond probably was forced to get another spy job and he lost the codename: James Bond
I always saw it like this. Sean Connery, George Lazenby, and Roger Moore are all the same Bond. The ages kinda work for Connery and Moore, as Moore is older than Connery. Lazenby is younger than both I believe and that's a little discrepancy. Perhaps OHMSS is the first Bond film, and then Dr. No, FRWL, and so on. He retires at the end of A View To A Kill because he's done with the job. Then a new Bond is introduced. I now think Dalton and Brosnan are the same Bond because of the pre-title of GoldenEye. Dalton got his demons out and that explains the tone difference from gritty and dark with Dalton to light and action packed with Brosnan. That Bond retires because he's fed up with the job. Now the interesting part. Craig is the son of Connery/Lazenby/Moore. He faked his death in 1979 so he could continue his missions unhindered by a son and child. However the accident went horribly wrong and his wife died. He had no choice but to continue until he couldn't take it. No one knows what happened to the original Bond after A View To A Kill, although he's dead by now. The rest of Craig's story as Bond is, well, history. Tell me what you think
Your theory is actually very interesting and makes sense but In the end i think it really comes down to using our suspension of disbelief. Fortunately Bond's changes in Canon leave space for many interpretations but many franchises who use the same gimmick do not, take the first four batman movies for example, we have the two Michael Keaton films, then we got Val Kilmer in Batman forever and Clooney in Batman and Robin. They are undoubtably the same character and the face change is just a nuisance we have to accept. I tend to watch the JB and Batman films the same way, for example if I'm watching the Roger Moore era movies I just imagine that the Connery era Bond had Moore's face and vice versa. The same goes for the time period, take Romero's Night of the living dead series for example, the first film looks and is set in the 60's while Diary of the dead is clearly set in modern times but is actually considered a prequel thus making it Canon despite the inconsistency. So for some movies there cannot be any explanation for the changes, we just have to accept them for what they are
yeah like alfred is like Q as they show up in most of the movies
I liked the theory...
i thnk the codename theory is correct as you see a picture of the robert broen M in no time to die
You could also say Moore gave away his name and title because it was SO unbelievable no one was going to believe it so he purposely said it ironically
Glad that you had the goldeneye 64 theme 😊
I just hope the creators of James bond don't do some crazy multiverse thing where all the bonds team up and fight cherry picked villains from precious movies 🙄
You say he's younger but Roger Moore is actually older than Sean Connery (or was, I should say.)
I meant looks younger
I love "never say never again"! it may be a remake but "Thunderball " is a very different movie to me, id call "never say never again" Thunderball 2 if anything and im glad they made it :)
Funny enough that was the first Bond film I owned and watched... while I have some nostalgia for it, its not a great film, but I agree. I am glad they made it.
You said in Diamonds are forever the Connery's Bond doesn't acknowledge the events of secret service, this is not true. At the beginning of Diamonds he hunts down those responsible for her death.
He doesn’t mention Tracy though, all he asks is “Where is Ernst Blofeld?”
My theory: Casino Royale ('06) & the other Craig films are set in a parallel universe, and Craig's Bond is the original Bond in that reality.
+Michael Bruner
Thats not a theory, that is how continuities work.
I think the time line continues with Craig but by coincidence Craig's Bond was actually called James Bond
james bond was recruited from the Navy and he was in the SBS not the SAS
Peep the invincible poster in the background
Roger moore at tracy's grave easy to explain he was baiting blofeld
Tom Williams Productions no, that’s complete bullshit.
@@mrbluesky4838 i'm only playing along
aaaand Dolly had braces.
I think this is very interesting theory❗ GJ❗ GJB⁉️
Fun theory. I agree that NSNA seemed more like an old man embellishing an old story. Moore stating the Bond name to me didn't feel like his name what what everyone recognized, but the fact that this guy is saying hes British secret service. However, we do see in YOLT that his name is public information on the cover of the newspaper that reports his death. Overall I think its a fun idea to explore, but never convinced me its anything more than different people telling a story in different ways.
I'm sorry, i don't like this theory, and especially this take on the theory... why include the rock? why?
What if the Films with Craig are the story of the original Bond the code name comes from......
If Doctor Who can't make this sort of thing work with THEIR gimmick. It sure as hell can't be done with Bond. I never worry about canon other than I don't like to see them violated carelessly. And I admit there has been a lot of carelessness with many a franchise. I worry about whether the movie or TV show is enjoyable.
Many people have mentioned other reasons why the codename theory is incorrect, but my main reason is that in License To Kill and in For Your Eyes only, Tracy Bond is referenced. You mentioned For Your Eyes only and yes, Moore had a smile on his face after killing Blofeld. However, in License to kill, Dalton clearly is upset upon the mention of Tracy. While yes, Dalton does look slightly familiar to Lazenby, but I still don't believe in this theory.
But what about Looney Tunes back in action's Damian Drake???
+Jacob Stolz
Thats a movie within a movie, it doesnt count sadly.
Lol
I believe the codename theory
The codename theory makes no sense. James Bond is the guys actual name. It's more likely an alternate universe theory. There are 6 different Bond universes. Each James Bond actor is in a different universe, just like how the Toby McGuire Spiderman is in a different universe than the Tom Holland universe.
That's ridiculous! Who ever heard of a British guy with multiple versions of himself who saves the world using hi-tech gadgets?
Diamonds could mean that the Connery "Bond" maybe the original came out of retirement for a period..
the Bonds before Craig are supposed to be the same person. This is confirmed in the beginning of For Your Eyes Only when Moore not only remembers Lazenbie´s wife but also settles the feud with Blofeld once and for all.
I literally talk about that in the video...
Seems feasible. I always assumed that in order for the films to make sense there would have to be different bonds. But I doubt UA has been going with the timeline thing in mind. 50+ years of movies isn't exactly what I'd imagine a film studio would plan at first.
I have a secret, I am the next
James Bond.
Give me tickets to the premiere!
please...
I always thought silva was the roger moore bond because he is wacky, and given up.
Ooh i like that idea
That's the first I've ever heard about adult eye colors changing from dark to blue!
Usually those changes happen over the course of infant hood to mid childhood-ish?
If a drastic eye color change happens past the age of 20 that usually indicates either an injury or some kind of condition that requires medical attention ASAP.
Am I wrong?
Eye color can change at any point in your life.
@@KingRey. Even a change as drastic as dark to blue?
From my understanding of what causes blue eyes in a human being, what I have read up on tells me that it is a genetic mutational marker that causes the retention of blue eyes after birth thus halting the development of melanin in a person's eyes.
Surely the loss of someone's iris melanin would be caused by something rather radical and would be rather rare, right?
@@iwyt3995
Or exposure to dangerous material. Bond is around some dangerous stuff, whether it be radioactive or deadly.
@@KingRey. *_I friggin love that!_*
Daniel Craig has to predate Connery
What if Tracey was his mother??? Or a relative before he took over as Bond.
James bond, is not a codename! James bond, is not a code name!
If you say James Bond is a code name, then Felix leiter, Bill Tanner, M, and Q are code names.
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Obviously they are codenames. You don't really think M's birthname is just the letter M, do you? Q is short for Quartermaster
Richard Thayer but Felix and Tanner as well? The only times that it’s made clear Bond and Felix are meeting for the first time are in Dr No and Casino Royale. Felix changed actor every single time he appeared yet he and Bond always acted like old acquaintances (Connery’s Bond even mentions the events of Dr No in Goldfinger). Not only that but David Hedison player Felix in Live and Let die, was briefly replaced with another actor for the Living Daylights and then Hedison was brought back for Licence to Kill. Does that mean they gave the codename back to Hedison? Also Timothy Dalton’s Bond is attending Felix’s wedding despite the fact that Hedison only met Moore’s Bond previously, not only that but the entire reason Bond goes after Sanchez is to avenge what happened to Felix which makes no sense if he barely knows him.
Licence to Kill is also Felix’s last appearance until the Daniel Craig reboot because of the fact that his leg got bitten off, suggesting that Felix is meant to be just one guy, and so they introduced a new character to act as the CIA informant for the Brosnan films, why would they bring in a new name if they could just reuse the codename?
People who believe in this Theory are bunch of idiots who love the comedy Casino Royale by Woody Allen. It doesn't take much to know that it's the same character. Just a little concentration and paying attention to dialogue. When George Lazenby took over the role from Rodger Moore the writers gave hints to make it clear that he is the same character as Sean Connery. One The Hourglass in the credits showed the previous Bond films two when Lazenby as Bond resigns he goes through his drawers and pulls out gadgets from the last 4 Bond films. Rodger Moore then Timothy Dalton took over the role there are numerous references in their movies referring to the death of Bond's wife... making the connection between their bonds and On Her Majesty's Secret Service. Pierce Brosnan's Bond also had references to the other movies in Goldeneye and The World is Not Enough unfortunately the only reference to the other Bond films that was left in those movies was The World is Not Enough family motto again referring to On Her Majesty's Secret Service. As for the current Bond he's a complete restart still the same character but a new timeline of stories that are official. What what makes it clear that he's the same Bond well for one thing he's fighting Spectre just like Sean Connery and George Lazenby so you could say he's still Bond James Bond the one and only
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Looks like you didn't even watch the video. lol
Everything you said is just redundant.
Shotana Studios no one has to watch the whole video you know the whole thing is stupid. I'm tired of this stupid stupid moronic American theory about James Bond that's older than multiple bonds themselves. Woody Allen came over this stupid Theory when is Sean Connery was still playing Bond before he quit the first time. And made a terrible movie then and makes it worse Theory now.
+BondFreek
Well if you had watched the video, you would know that every one of your comments is coming off as redundant and useless.
Since I talk about everything you are griping about...
Sure, not every actor is a different Bond. The theory clarifies that certain Bonds most likely have multiple actors.
It's a fan theory. That's what people do with works of fiction they like. They make up fan theories, write fan fiction, etc. It's all a bit of fun. He admits in the video that the theory is by no means air tight. But that's not the point either. It's a bit of a "what if experiment". Yet you go around calling people idiots when whether the theory is true or not doesn't make the slightest bit of difference, they're fun films. So why don't you take your own advice and "Just chill out and enjoy".
Great story line. Everything was fine until blofeld showed up in specter…
Well lazenby and Connery are the same as the office scene is ohmss when he remembers past missions
Oscar Birney I mean that could be interpreted as the new Bond being given his predecessor’s gadgets
Jack Hamilton but why does it look like he’s reminiscing about the adventures they’re from? They even play bits of music from those films when he picks up each object
@@EditedAF987 sorry this is a year late but I didn’t really get that from his expressions, and I think the music choices were there to remind the audience
So it’s kind of like kingsman
James Bond is a Time Lord especially Timothy Dalton.
As for the Daniel Craig movies of bond... get it through your heads people they are reboots. It don't erase the original Bond movies but there are start a whole brand new batch of bond stories.
+BondFreek
Its like you missed the joke completely...
Maybe Each Version of Bond is set in a different universe.
I know this isn't really the video to comment this on but what if Ed Sheeran did the music for the next 007 movie
What’s the song name.
The only thing I really don't like about it is that he uses condoms.
since die another day is a thing, mabye roger moore went into some magical pit and became younger and then at the end of die another day he gets brainwashed and plastic surgeroy to craig and mi6 made him bond again lol
What if Blofeld is really Hans lander and disguised as Blofeld 🤔
Felix letter was never a code name
Felix leiter, is DEFINETLY not a codname either!
It’s not a fucking code name. You want a code name, 007 is his code name. Discussion over. Christ.
Judy Dench is your only valid point thanks for wasting my time
Thanks for watching!
Shotana Studios Lol.
The codename theory is trash and doesn't hold up at all
Neither does the fact he is the same person. lol
@@KingRey. y'all have heard of fluid timelines right?
Shotana Studios tell that to comic book characters, they remain the same age despite some being around since the 1940’s and no one tries to argue that Bruce Wayne is a codename. Heck no one even cares that Michael Keaton, Val Kilmer and George Clooney are all meant to be playing the same version of batman in the same timeline
Roger Moore is older than Connery. Not younger.
But if you call a person james bond then is not a code name
The Rock was directed by Michael Bay?
I always wondered why it sucked.....