PRR K4s #1361 does a very nice runby at Fostoria, PA on her first official excursion in October 1987. Footage is from "Juniata's Jewel" by Berkshire Productions
What a handsome example of a steam locomotive in operation and it is a shame that PRR 1361 only had one year of excursion service operation. This locomotive needs to be rebuilt/ restored as I would really love to see this steam engine back in action again.
I hear that the board plans to bring her back up to steam. It may take 18 months, maybe more. But it's very likely she will get restored to operate. Many feel she should have been sent to Strasburg to get repaired. Altoona Mirror does updates on the project from time to Time
Apologies for the essay below. I like the idea because it’s one of those cool things we can do in the preservation era that would never ever have happened in service. However, unlike 1522, 1361 is likely to run again, being under restoration and all. 1522 is a wonderful locomotive, but it won’t see service for a very long time, if ever again. There’s a few problems with 1522 running again, not the least of which being its live rail connection is with UP, who doesn’t allow steam that isn’t theirs. Steam that isn’t owned by UP can run on their lines, but it can’t be under steam. That’s why 2156 was allowed on their rails. This creates a practicality issue for running 1522. A couple other issues with 1522 running again are the fact that it was run pretty hard and needs an overhaul/rebuild, and the museum simply doesn’t want to run it again, at least right now. As far as it being run hard, I believe it experienced mechanical issues before its last run(s) in 2001. I do know for a fact that everything on the locomotive needs at least moderate attention, especially the firebox, boiler, and running gear. It also needs an entirely new flue sheet. Not to worry though, we still have Frisco 1630 in operation. There has also been talks of one of the big Frisco 4-8-4s running again if funds can be raised when the group feels the time is right. The preservation scene is honestly pretty over saturated right now imo. It’s a good problem to have, but it kind of stifles new efforts a bit.
That is actually the plan. The ultimate goal is to have 1361 pull a recreated PRR passenger train with Tuscan Red cars, including some B60 baggage cars to be used for displaying artifacts, an RPO to be used as a Gift Shop car, some P70s, and possibly a dining car and the Mountain View observation car from the Broadway Limited. 1361 will bring passenger cars with it, as it tours the mid-Atlantic region.
@TomedysTrains well, maybe not 18 months, but I've heard it will be restored . Tha article is on the PRR K4s 1361 facebook page. Salone, the director, says he won't send it to Strasburg to get repaired, because "Its the museum's project". Instead of screwing it up further they should send it to someone who will do it right. It would be simpler to pay someone to do it than do it themselves. just my opinion.
You know what? This clip was shown on "I Love Toy Trains 5", "I Love Toy Trains 7" ( I think), and "I Love Toy Trains 8". Do you have anymore video tapes from Berkshire Productions?
This is about as fast as 1361 was allowed to go on the mainline. James McCann told me Conrail had a 35mph speed restriction for steam at this time. I hope she'll get to stretch her legs a bit more next time she operates, but I'm not gonna bet the farm on the idea.
Pensy #1361 has been at Steamtown long enough to be rebuilt several times. Also a lot of money has been spent on false starts and work that had to be redone. Now because of boiler staybolt issues it's doubtfull IMHO that this engine will ever run again. In fact, the way I understand it, it may be doubtfull it ever gets put back together again. Also, who is going to let them run it? Certainly not CSX. What a shame!
There's a long story attached to that. In 1988 around York, PA she derailed and the hard grease under the #3 driving axle became dislodged. The problem went unnoticed until the locomotive was nearing Lewistown on the way home, where she tripped a hot box and actually had that bearing on fire. Some dumbass (probably Junction) put the fire out with cold water despite the fact that the axle was glowing orange. That axle cracked and the bearing was a mess, forcing emergency repairs and low speed operation the remainder of that year. When pulled back into the shops, several other problems were found. As the owners (Altoona Railroaders Memorial Museum) figured out how to tackle the problems, the Gettysburg incident happened and the FRA tightened up on historic equipment. Back at square one, the museum faced another 4 years figuring out how to meet new regulations. By late 1995, an outside company was courting to lease the old PRR car shop from Conrail, which just so happened to be 1361's home at the time. Politics and "creating jobs" kicked in, and with some large sums of public dollars, the ARMM settled on moving it to Steamtown where a properly equipped steam shop could be utilized. Some major oversight errors occurred, and it seemed every Friday afternoon, the museum director got a call about another problem was found. It turns out 1361 was retired very worn out and was pretty much a basket case from the beginning. The boiler ended up receiving a 5 sq ft patch surgically welded in the dome course around the dome--the first such repair allowed under the 1999 regulation changes, and one done twice because some idiot tried to "pretty up" approved repairs that use a very specialized process. 1361 also got a new rear flue sheet, new smokebox, new lower half of the front flue sheet, new side sheets to the firebox wrapper to 4 feet from the shoulders, a new mud ring, new backhead sheet, and new inner firebox sheets. After the crown sheet was already replaced, a massive engineering fault was found with the original design of the PRR's nearly-trademark Belpaire firebox: the staybolt pitch and thickness of the wrapper roof sheet were too thin for regulations (even in 1918). Work ground to a halt. Eventually the plug was pulled, most of the locomotive made it's way back to Altoona and was stored by 2007. At the time, ARMM was still building it's quarter roundhouse to house and complete the project, so the boiler was stored at the East Broad Top shop complex. In the meantime, ARMM got tarred and feathered by the preservation community, especially (and very publicly) by the PRR Historical & Technical Society. It's reputation (and finances) in tatters, the museum has since been entirely mute about the subject pending being actually ready to talk about it. And many believed that the end had come. 1361 was reduced to a pile of parts. Fast-forward to 2014, the roundhouse has 4 useable bays. A 110P75 tender and other pieces of the collection move indoors. An ashpan crops up next to the tender. Chalk notes about side bearing adjustments appear on the steps to the tender deck. One tender chalk note even bears a "Fire Up 1361!" Maybe something is going on here? Late July 2015, I caught wind of something. I walked in to find the boiler now perched on an NS flatcar in the same bay as the tender. The fire grate is out being repaired and assembled. The brakes are off and the throttle is opening at last.
Thank you so much for the info, this all seems too good to be true. I understand the museum not wanting to hurt its reputation any more than it already has, but the project just seems like it has gone on long enough without being talked about. I don't believe the museum has fully forgotten about 1361, and I do remember seeing a video, around 2011 I believe, of 1361's tender fully restored sitting in the Altoona museum yards waiting for paint. Perhaps Juniata's Jewel will once again see the mainline. Until that time however, I will continue to hope for at least just a cosmetic restoration.
More good news: a friend of mine says the boiler and firebox are 90% complete. After that, the engine can be reassembled and operated at FULL steam pressure.
@ernietrainz There are rumors that the program is dead and that it will never get restored but I just read an article that interviewed the president of the Altoona Railroaders Museum, the owner of 1361, who said that they are working with what they got to get her running again. They have spent too much money to just let the locomotive go. That is my opinion.
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That whistle says, "Steps aside - we're goin' places".
Now THAT is how a runby should be done!
Absolutely
I was tearing a lil
I get chills every time I watch this clip.
You've given me a good idea: I'll put it on the "Trains" playlist on my channel so I can play it a lot more without having to search for it.
That glorious engine should be pride of Pennsylvania🥰
And was overshadowed by the failure which is the T1 Duplex
@@Kory-Edits2024 what?
I can not wait for it to be restored
@@joerios4737 me too!
It’s the state engine dude (and 3750)
What a BEAUTY!
Ahhh the good old days of steam excursions when mainline steamers didn’t need a diesel locomotive on the consist.
Those girls jumping up and down they were so excited love the young people looking at history
Indeed, great to see people from this generation showing interest in phenomenal historical things like this.
@@PRR3750Railfan that was 1987 they are generation x but still cool to see
epic whistle
What a handsome example of a steam locomotive in operation and it is a shame that PRR 1361 only had one year of excursion service operation. This locomotive needs to be rebuilt/ restored as I would really love to see this steam engine back in action again.
It is!
It's being restored
The 1361 is actually a great locomotive, I have a sculpture of her in my home
1361: I'll be back!
she's getting built and steamed again.
Beautiful engine&cars.Isn't it amazing how something we took for granted now draws crowds fo watch it go by.😊
Those kiddos jumping and waving sure are excited to see the big guy
I want to see the locomotive in operation so badly
It’s undergoing an extensive restoration to operating condition.
MMMMMMMMMM that whistle
I love toy trains series.
Whistle and stack oh yeah
I hear that the board plans to bring her back up to steam. It may take 18 months, maybe more. But it's very likely she will get restored to operate. Many feel she should have been sent to Strasburg to get repaired. Altoona Mirror does updates on the project from time to Time
Wow. Awesome!
By the way love that old Pennsy block signal bridge
Get her running again, and bring her back to the Jersey Shore! New York & Long Branch Baby!
Great video.
Stack talk and plenty of W oh yeah
Long Island 39 isin Strausburg PA getting repaired. Cant wait to see it running again
Magnificent steam engines. Thank you. 5*
This is how railroading should be
Anyone else feel like it would be cool for it & 1522 to doublehead?
Yeah but it would be nice to see the 1361 doublehead with n&w 611 or nkp 756. You know get her back to the mainline
Apologies for the essay below.
I like the idea because it’s one of those cool things we can do in the preservation era that would never ever have happened in service. However, unlike 1522, 1361 is likely to run again, being under restoration and all. 1522 is a wonderful locomotive, but it won’t see service for a very long time, if ever again.
There’s a few problems with 1522 running again, not the least of which being its live rail connection is with UP, who doesn’t allow steam that isn’t theirs. Steam that isn’t owned by UP can run on their lines, but it can’t be under steam. That’s why 2156 was allowed on their rails. This creates a practicality issue for running 1522. A couple other issues with 1522 running again are the fact that it was run pretty hard and needs an overhaul/rebuild, and the museum simply doesn’t want to run it again, at least right now. As far as it being run hard, I believe it experienced mechanical issues before its last run(s) in 2001. I do know for a fact that everything on the locomotive needs at least moderate attention, especially the firebox, boiler, and running gear. It also needs an entirely new flue sheet.
Not to worry though, we still have Frisco 1630 in operation. There has also been talks of one of the big Frisco 4-8-4s running again if funds can be raised when the group feels the time is right.
The preservation scene is honestly pretty over saturated right now imo. It’s a good problem to have, but it kind of stifles new efforts a bit.
@Dylan Connolly I believe it was 4500, whatever the one in Tulsa is.
@Dylan Connolly Must have been moved recently then. Wikipedia says Tulsa. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis-San_Francisco_4500
Cheap is never good with steam. The more expensive, the better it will perform
Get ready... #1361 will once again pound the high iron!
Believe it or not 1361 was actually the inspiration for the British Flying Scotsman, It's class was based off the K4s
That's a good steam whistle. Unlike that half-strangled sound of the 4014's whistle.
I think that Hancock 3 chime is awesome 👌🏽 😉
I would love to see this engine run with a string of Tuscan Pennsylvania passenger cars.
That is actually the plan. The ultimate goal is to have 1361 pull a recreated PRR passenger train with Tuscan Red cars, including some B60 baggage cars to be used for displaying artifacts, an RPO to be used as a Gift Shop car, some P70s, and possibly a dining car and the Mountain View observation car from the Broadway Limited. 1361 will bring passenger cars with it, as it tours the mid-Atlantic region.
@@chooch1764 That's wonderful news. Lets hope it gets accomplished.
Will they ever get this K 4 running again? Very nice video of it.
it is under restoration currently
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiice!!!!!!
@TomedysTrains well, maybe not 18 months, but I've heard it will be restored . Tha article is on the PRR K4s 1361 facebook page. Salone, the director, says he won't send it to Strasburg to get repaired, because "Its the museum's project". Instead of screwing it up further they should send it to someone who will do it right. It would be simpler to pay someone to do it than do it themselves. just my opinion.
I gave up waiting for LIRR #35 G5 to get finished. I had to make my own in Gauge one live steam.
You mean LIRR #39 right?
@@shanemyoutubeshit There are two of them in restoration #39 and # 35. Both would like them to be running, but I think #39 has a better chance.
@@ErnieNoa3 What about LIRR #50
If 1361 runs again she should come to Hoboken and run trips on NJ Transit if she's equipped with PTC.
Not if. 1361 will run again.
I'm sure they'll get this old man running again
You know what? This clip was shown on "I Love Toy Trains 5", "I Love Toy Trains 7" ( I think), and "I Love Toy Trains 8". Do you have anymore video tapes from Berkshire Productions?
she needs to be run again
sweet! 5*
This is about as fast as 1361 was allowed to go on the mainline. James McCann told me Conrail had a 35mph speed restriction for steam at this time. I hope she'll get to stretch her legs a bit more next time she operates, but I'm not gonna bet the farm on the idea.
Excursions for 1361 will be over short lines and regional railroad in and out of Pennsylvania.
Very cool! 5* Rich
Atta girl 1361! SHAKE THEM HIPS!!!
Wtf
One day she will run again
Its haunting
Wished my dad could see this video
Under that block signal nothing better 👍
Pensy #1361 has been at Steamtown long enough to be rebuilt several times. Also a lot of money has been spent on false starts and work that had to be redone. Now because of boiler staybolt issues it's doubtfull IMHO that this engine will ever run again. In fact, the way I understand it, it may be doubtfull it ever gets put back together again. Also, who is going to let them run it? Certainly not CSX. What a shame!
It's like he's saying "Hello girls, Guess who!"
If that doesn't scream democracy, I don't know what will
Your political beliefs are irrelevant to this train video.
Well, the restoration was done by local volunteers, so you could say it was a "democratic" process to get it running.
Any news on her out of Altoona?
whats the whistle on it because I want to have for myself
PRR 3-chime
Prr 3-chime. It’s tuned a certain way though. The high note is a D#
Don’t go.... NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
What whistle does 1361 have during the clip
DeadPool Tacos Pennsylvania Railroad 3-chime
I know the train is going track speed but it does not sound like a prr 3 chime
DeadPool Tacos It's a PRR 3-chime...it sounds different because depending on how the bell of the whistle is positioned, you can get a different sound.
Not saying the prr 3 chime is bad
But the way they positioned the whistle makes it sound really good again not saying the prr 3 chime is bad
@rboffill agreed. Well you still got 643 HAHA and she runs.
What whistle was that?
Pennsylvania Railroad 3-chime
Wtf happened to this beauty?
There's a long story attached to that.
In 1988 around York, PA she derailed and the hard grease under the #3 driving axle became dislodged. The problem went unnoticed until the locomotive was nearing Lewistown on the way home, where she tripped a hot box and actually had that bearing on fire. Some dumbass (probably Junction) put the fire out with cold water despite the fact that the axle was glowing orange. That axle cracked and the bearing was a mess, forcing emergency repairs and low speed operation the remainder of that year. When pulled back into the shops, several other problems were found. As the owners (Altoona Railroaders Memorial Museum) figured out how to tackle the problems, the Gettysburg incident happened and the FRA tightened up on historic equipment.
Back at square one, the museum faced another 4 years figuring out how to meet new regulations. By late 1995, an outside company was courting to lease the old PRR car shop from Conrail, which just so happened to be 1361's home at the time. Politics and "creating jobs" kicked in, and with some large sums of public dollars, the ARMM settled on moving it to Steamtown where a properly equipped steam shop could be utilized.
Some major oversight errors occurred, and it seemed every Friday afternoon, the museum director got a call about another problem was found. It turns out 1361 was retired very worn out and was pretty much a basket case from the beginning. The boiler ended up receiving a 5 sq ft patch surgically welded in the dome course around the dome--the first such repair allowed under the 1999 regulation changes, and one done twice because some idiot tried to "pretty up" approved repairs that use a very specialized process. 1361 also got a new rear flue sheet, new smokebox, new lower half of the front flue sheet, new side sheets to the firebox wrapper to 4 feet from the shoulders, a new mud ring, new backhead sheet, and new inner firebox sheets. After the crown sheet was already replaced, a massive engineering fault was found with the original design of the PRR's nearly-trademark Belpaire firebox: the staybolt pitch and thickness of the wrapper roof sheet were too thin for regulations (even in 1918).
Work ground to a halt. Eventually the plug was pulled, most of the locomotive made it's way back to Altoona and was stored by 2007. At the time, ARMM was still building it's quarter roundhouse to house and complete the project, so the boiler was stored at the East Broad Top shop complex.
In the meantime, ARMM got tarred and feathered by the preservation community, especially (and very publicly) by the PRR Historical & Technical Society. It's reputation (and finances) in tatters, the museum has since been entirely mute about the subject pending being actually ready to talk about it.
And many believed that the end had come. 1361 was reduced to a pile of parts.
Fast-forward to 2014, the roundhouse has 4 useable bays. A 110P75 tender and other pieces of the collection move indoors. An ashpan crops up next to the tender. Chalk notes about side bearing adjustments appear on the steps to the tender deck. One tender chalk note even bears a "Fire Up 1361!"
Maybe something is going on here?
Late July 2015, I caught wind of something. I walked in to find the boiler now perched on an NS flatcar in the same bay as the tender. The fire grate is out being repaired and assembled.
The brakes are off and the throttle is opening at last.
Thank you so much for the info, this all seems too good to be true. I understand the museum not wanting to hurt its reputation any more than it already has, but the project just seems like it has gone on long enough without being talked about. I don't believe the museum has fully forgotten about 1361, and I do remember seeing a video, around 2011 I believe, of 1361's tender fully restored sitting in the Altoona museum yards waiting for paint. Perhaps Juniata's Jewel will once again see the mainline. Until that time however, I will continue to hope for at least just a cosmetic restoration.
More good news: a friend of mine says the boiler and firebox are 90% complete. After that, the engine can be reassembled and operated at FULL steam pressure.
@ernietrainz There are rumors that the program is dead and that it will never get restored but I just read an article that interviewed the president of the Altoona Railroaders Museum, the owner of 1361, who said that they are working with what they got to get her running again. They have spent too much money to just let the locomotive go. That is my opinion.
7 thumbs down truly sad
That's one of Hank's brothers or sisters!
Also a cousin of Flying Scotsman
Says Pennsy doesn't it