I really hope it would help others looking to maximize their LEGION GO performance, if you need help with it please don't hesitate to ask but "Do it at your own RISK", memory timings settings may differ between unit to other for many reasons Also keep your Legion Go plugged in to a power source when changing those settings By the time of capturing, I had BIOS N29 but now I tried them on the latest BIOS N31 and it works just the same, I'll try to update this section as more BIOS software releases. Useful stuff: Smokeless tool: github.com/DavidS95/Smokeless_UMAF Hexadecimal converter: www.rapidtables.com/convert/number/hex-to-decimal.html command to know your memory type: "wmic memorychip list full" 6400 MT/s Timings Tweak: ruclips.net/video/BKaaozOaWzE/видео.html if you are having hard time to see my current timings: SPD: Trcpage: AUTO Tcwl: A Tcl: 14 Trcdrd: 10 Trcdwr: 8 Trp: 10 TrpPb: 8 Trfc: CE TrfcPb: 67 Non-SPD: Tras: 15 Trc: 1D TrcPb: 1D TrrdS: 4 TrrdL: 4 Tfaw: 6 TwtrS: 5 TwtrL: 9 Twr: AUTO Trtp: 6 Tcke: 1 TrdrdScl: 3 TrdrdSc: 1 TrdrdSd: 1 TrdrdDd: 1 TwrwrScL: 3 TwrwrSc: 1 TwrwrSd: 1 TwrwrDd: 1 Twrrd: 1 Trdwr: AUTO ------------------------ LPDDR Controller Configuration Power down : Disabled PHY Lower power : 1 ----------------------------- LPDDR Security TSME : Disabled Data Scramble : Disabled ----------------------------- LEGION GO PLAYLIST: ruclips.net/p/PLg8ANjUNzqfN0uUCjfOQmFXCNulJuFIRr If you enjoy my content Subscribe & Become a member to activate extra PERKS Join the TECHOSAUR Community on Discord here : discord.gg/PXmJY6BP8b. you can seek technical assistance, exchange ideas and experiences, relax, share memes, make video request and most importanly feel at home
Hey I opened cmd and typed in the command and it says that my ram is made by hynix, could you tell me the values on how i can make it like yours, since I have different ram chips in my legion go..
@@hyperteknoman6602 The first ram chip number (A1), is H58G66BK7HX096 (4GB, SR). The second ram chip (B1) number is the same as the first one and 4GB, SR. The third one (C1), is also the same as the first one and is also 4GB, SR. The fourth one also has the same part number as the first one and is 4GB, SR.
Great video as always!!!! It gives me the sensation that all the system reacts better because it's the similar problem with the C-state for the CPU, to be so much conservative on consumptions it's gives the problems on drop down so much the kind of "idle" state during the operation of the system.
Running at lower watt tdp will break your timings in some games so it isnt very stable or performant unless always gunning for max performance (full power) vs max battery life. For example your test scores will drop at 7500MT Running at 15W TDP vs doing the same at 6400MT @15W.
A lower TDP won't break timings. If it's stable at 30W, it's stable anywhere. It's not a matter of power there. I made a video today for the 6400 as well, and I was able to tighten it more given its lower memory speed. I also compared it against the 7500 in three different setups: 15W, 20W, and 30W. ruclips.net/video/BKaaozOaWzE/видео.htmlsi=XzTqQH7P2J4zJCUy It's stable all time with both configurations, It took me days of trial and error.
Would definitely be interested in seeing the 6400MT/S settings as well. Or perhaps RAM or APU Undervolting if that's something that's available in Smokeless.
I have Micron dimms in mine, from UK. I think there is a potential for 6 different types, from someone else's video they read the SPD info stored and there are 6 variants, if I remember correctly.
I'll probably try this once they finally ship out the newest BIOS with complete TDP fixes. Is it easy to revert back to base timings or is it worth writing them down ahead of time? I saw a RESET button in the vid, just not sure if it's something that works lol. Edit: Nvm you call out that loading default settings reverts back as expected. Thanks.
Yes u can easily restore, I'm going to try them again once new bios comes put and write here in the pinned comment whether It works or any issue spoted, I also try them usually with ally bios updates, so far it's been smooth
@TECHOSAUR YT never actually notified me of this reply. Im not sure, its above my skill set, but there are some pros out there that could, Im sure of that.
So I have hynix ram, and everything i read online is saying when it comes to DDR5 hynix overclocks better than samsung, some post saying avoid Samsung DDR5 overclocking...? Wondering if I should go through with this I have hynix but I have no guide, and i really don't wanna risk days of getting this thing to come back to life
it's not overclocking frequency, it's still running the same voltage and power consumption. We are just asking it to reduce its operating timing under read, write, and copy processes, which could help to gain some free performance in situations when memory plays a role. I think you shouldn't look at which brand gets overclocked more but which one can sustain tighter timings under frequency. And as far as I'm aware, Samsung memory dies are good for tightening the timings.
I tweaked timming yesterday but today 2 times I got stuck black screen boot. To fix that I have to hold the power button then Force shut down. Is there any solution?
I suggest you recheck the timings and try loosening them. I think you should make sure it's stable with the SPD, then once you are sure, move on to the non-SPD ones, you get most of gains while doing the main SPD
Hi;I have done something similar to this from another video for upping the wattage to 60w using smokeless but everything seemed to revert on next reboot without the usb flash plugged in is there a way to keep these settings permanently between bios updates? Or does the settings stay without having to flash smokeless?
I usually set it like this on smokeless and then use the g-helper app in Windows and apply the same wattage I've set in smokeless. It usually stays that way for me. If I use both, you don't need to have the USB connected.
@@TECHOSAUR Thanks for getting back. I have been doing some research and found people using a program called universal x86 tuning utility changing tpd settings etc and not flashing anything in bios, would you have any idea if using the settings in the program stick, if setting the program to start with windows. I don't think it does memory timings, but it does seem to do a lot of tweaks. Thanks again 👍
@dame666999 Yes, I know that app, but setting it only from there will eventually revert back. That's why you need to set it on the BIOS level and then use the app to make it apply.
Unfortunately, I only have one model, and it's a Samsung. In Europe, they sell them all like this unless someone from abroad lends me their Legion Go with Hynix, and I tune it and return it. It won't be possible
Voltages are inaccurate in the zentimings for those handheld types of memory controllers, so sometimes this reading, CLDO VDDP, reaches 42 V even at default settings. disregard the variation, as it is inaccurate.
Well, I tried, but unfortunately tests all failed. Lost the silicon lottery :) After a few reboots I did in fact have to remove the battery connector to get it to boot. Stock it is, was hoping this might help switch emulation, any thoughts what I might be able to tweak to stabilise it?
Try with the SPD timings. Only adjust one value at a time. When you notice it’s not working, increase it until it stops giving any errors. Then, move on to the next one. However, keep non-SPD to auto and start with SPD. It also took me days to find my unit’s sweet spot. There’s no way to calculate which ones to insert, at least that I’m aware of. All you can do is trial and error. I just note all my working values until I reach the end. But the good thing is that by using the BIOS self-heal feature, you minimize the times you have to remove the battery cable to reset timings. Just check the important Tips section in this video. I show how i did it in the shortest amount of time.
Yes, every BIOS update and every time you unplug the battery for a few seconds, and also when you press the reset settings to the default option within Lenovo BIOS
Booting to Windows is a first pass for stability, but sometimes instability may not show symptoms unless you are doing some workload. For example, in gaming, you may get a BSOD or tests showing errors. Be careful mostly with the non-SPD, they're tricky. Focus on SPD initially, and once you are sure it's working well, do a benchmark to check if performance has gotten better. Non-SPD wrong values will cause worse performance, so modify them one by one and check performance. If you see it worsening, then increase the timing by one value.
After almost 3 days of touching parameters and finding the right point, I passed ramtest for 8 hours without errors; I have a Hynix memory and at this moment I have only been able to carry out tests with a single game, Far Cry 6. But it was worth it, the minimum fps values are much more stable, and in general I do not have jerks even in scenes Loaded with a lot of action, my average fps has gone from 58fps to 63fps, sometimes touching 75fps, simply wonderful. I am very happy and it is thanks to you. All the best :)
I'll try it after I get home, I'm at work, but this works for HYnix memories also on laptops, possibly it could give errors if someone doesn't follow the tutorial verbatim, just like that, but you have a very good tutorial.
Exactly, just like I did at minute 2:50 Before booting to the smokeless tool, make sure to disable secure boot in Lenovo bios and also set the USB drive to the highest boot priority so it doesn't load windows instead
@@Autobiography59 no, You only need to remove the battery for 30 seconds, this will revert the settings, then you will have a black screen for several seconds, possibly 1 or 2 minutes, then you will see everything again, I put several things into action and had no problems reverting and my ram is SK Hynix.
@@TECHOSAUR I bricked it last night setting 54w. 54000 54000 54000 time 1000000000 the option on the bottom then changing the next page... 54000 54000 54000 that did it. no boot. took off the battery cable twice for 10-20 mins nothing. Looks like the bios uses nand flash so it says forever. I have to buy a bios chip programmer and hope to find a bios image. from what I saw in order to use smokeless you have to have the bios chip programmer and do a back up. BEFORE using smokeless.
@@stephenj37824ram for the gpu is specified as bandwidth & how large / fast the bit bus is. The motherboard itself has its own dedicated pool of ram for the entirety of the system. Hense why you can tweak the systems ram in bios + the cpu
Are you dumb? RAM is shared on the Ally so increasing the ram performance improves both CPU and GPU and that's a fact. Do some research before posting dumb comments that are completely inconvenient.
![LEGION GO Memory Timings boost guide & benchmarks [6400MT/s vs 7500MT/s]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/BKaaozOaWzE/mqdefault.jpg)
![LEGION GO Memory Timings boost guide & benchmarks [6400MT/s vs 7500MT/s]](/img/tr.png)
![ROG Ally X Memory Tightening Timings Boost Guide & Benchmarks [7500MT/s]](/img/1.gif)
I really hope it would help others looking to maximize their LEGION GO performance, if you need help with it please don't hesitate to ask but "Do it at your own RISK", memory timings settings may differ between unit to other for many reasons
Also keep your Legion Go plugged in to a power source when changing those settings
By the time of capturing, I had BIOS N29 but now I tried them on the latest BIOS N31 and it works just the same, I'll try to update this section as more BIOS software releases.
Useful stuff:
Smokeless tool: github.com/DavidS95/Smokeless_UMAF
Hexadecimal converter: www.rapidtables.com/convert/number/hex-to-decimal.html
command to know your memory type: "wmic memorychip list full"
6400 MT/s Timings Tweak: ruclips.net/video/BKaaozOaWzE/видео.html
if you are having hard time to see my current timings:
SPD:
Trcpage: AUTO
Tcwl: A
Tcl: 14
Trcdrd: 10
Trcdwr: 8
Trp: 10
TrpPb: 8
Trfc: CE
TrfcPb: 67
Non-SPD:
Tras: 15
Trc: 1D
TrcPb: 1D
TrrdS: 4
TrrdL: 4
Tfaw: 6
TwtrS: 5
TwtrL: 9
Twr: AUTO
Trtp: 6
Tcke: 1
TrdrdScl: 3
TrdrdSc: 1
TrdrdSd: 1
TrdrdDd: 1
TwrwrScL: 3
TwrwrSc: 1
TwrwrSd: 1
TwrwrDd: 1
Twrrd: 1
Trdwr: AUTO
------------------------
LPDDR Controller Configuration
Power down : Disabled
PHY Lower power : 1
-----------------------------
LPDDR Security
TSME : Disabled
Data Scramble : Disabled
-----------------------------
LEGION GO PLAYLIST:
ruclips.net/p/PLg8ANjUNzqfN0uUCjfOQmFXCNulJuFIRr
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Hey I opened cmd and typed in the command and it says that my ram is made by hynix, could you tell me the values on how i can make it like yours, since I have different ram chips in my legion go..
Now I need to find the correct numbers for the HYnix rams.
@@hyperteknoman6602 The first ram chip number (A1), is H58G66BK7HX096 (4GB, SR). The second ram chip (B1) number is the same as the first one and 4GB, SR. The third one (C1), is also the same as the first one and is also 4GB, SR. The fourth one also has the same part number as the first one and is 4GB, SR.
And I also have ZenTimings installed and here are the settings: Speed 1 MT/s, BGS Enabled, GDM Disabled, tCL 23, tRCDWR 8, tRP 20, tRAS 40, tRC 60, tRRDS 4, tRRDL 4, tFAW 15, tWTRS 10, tWTRL 15, tWR 36, tRFC (ns) 140,3415 , tRFC 263, tRFC2 0, tRFCsb 132, tMOD 14, tMODPDA 0, tPHYWRD 2, tPHYWRL 39, Capacity 16GB, BGS Alt Disabled, Cmd2T 1T, tRDRDSCL 3, tWRWRSCL 3, tCWL 11, tRTP 8, tRDWR 19, tWRRD 1, tRDRDSC 1, tRDRDSD 5, tRDRDDD 5, tWRWRSC 1, tWRWRSD 8, tWRWRDD 8, tCKE 8, tREFI 3661, tREFI (ns) 1953,575 , tSTAG 4, tMRD 14, tMRDPDA 0, tPHYRDL 69, PowerDown Disabled, MCLK 0.92 , FCLK 937.50 , UCLK 937.50@@hyperteknoman6602
Any luck?@@hyperteknoman6602
Amazing video, love your tests and digging to push this great device beyond limits! Always fun and helpfull to watch 👍 thanks
Thanks! 😄
I love to explain it as if you were in person with me. Otherwise, I feel guilty about missing out on some part
Great video as always!!!! It gives me the sensation that all the system reacts better because it's the similar problem with the C-state for the CPU, to be so much conservative on consumptions it's gives the problems on drop down so much the kind of "idle" state during the operation of the system.
this is S tier content…. No other video is this good
Running at lower watt tdp will break your timings in some games so it isnt very stable or performant unless always gunning for max performance (full power) vs max battery life. For example your test scores will drop at 7500MT Running at 15W TDP vs doing the same at 6400MT @15W.
A lower TDP won't break timings. If it's stable at 30W, it's stable anywhere.
It's not a matter of power there.
I made a video today for the 6400 as well, and I was able to tighten it more given its lower memory speed. I also compared it against the 7500 in three different setups: 15W, 20W, and 30W.
ruclips.net/video/BKaaozOaWzE/видео.htmlsi=XzTqQH7P2J4zJCUy
It's stable all time with both configurations, It took me days of trial and error.
why would you set the ram to 6400? you want faster not slower
Would definitely be interested in seeing the 6400MT/S settings as well. Or perhaps RAM or APU Undervolting if that's something that's available in Smokeless.
This APU is locked for undervolting. You can't change any voltage set by AMD. Unfortunately
The Steam Deck one has the ability
I can't find a single thing about steam deck ram timings which surprises me
I have a Steam Deck OLED. I may try it in the future, but I need first to install Windows to see timings on Zen timings
Thanks!!!
@@suuus4861 yw 🙂
I have Micron dimms in mine, from UK. I think there is a potential for 6 different types, from someone else's video they read the SPD info stored and there are 6 variants, if I remember correctly.
thank you
Would decreasing the speed to 6400 and tightening timings further lead to better performance than at 7500
Yes I made this video today and it's up !
Hope u like u
ruclips.net/video/BKaaozOaWzE/видео.htmlsi=XzTqQH7P2J4zJCUy
@@TECHOSAURThank you that was exactly what I was looking for
I'll probably try this once they finally ship out the newest BIOS with complete TDP fixes. Is it easy to revert back to base timings or is it worth writing them down ahead of time? I saw a RESET button in the vid, just not sure if it's something that works lol.
Edit: Nvm you call out that loading default settings reverts back as expected. Thanks.
Yes u can easily restore, I'm going to try them again once new bios comes put and write here in the pinned comment whether It works or any issue spoted, I also try them usually with ally bios updates, so far it's been smooth
sweet, we got the same RAM
I mean, if you upgraded to 32gb, tuned it and then used Core offset on the CPU and GPU, you may see greater gains.
I would really be interested, but I don’t know how to solder, and services are very expensive, u ever done it ?
@TECHOSAUR YT never actually notified me of this reply. Im not sure, its above my skill set, but there are some pros out there that could, Im sure of that.
So I have hynix ram, and everything i read online is saying when it comes to DDR5 hynix overclocks better than samsung, some post saying avoid Samsung DDR5 overclocking...?
Wondering if I should go through with this I have hynix but I have no guide, and i really don't wanna risk days of getting this thing to come back to life
it's not overclocking frequency, it's still running the same voltage and power consumption.
We are just asking it to reduce its operating timing under read, write, and copy processes, which could help to gain some free performance in situations when memory plays a role.
I think you shouldn't look at which brand gets overclocked more but which one can sustain tighter timings under frequency. And as far as I'm aware, Samsung memory dies are good for tightening the timings.
I tweaked timming yesterday but today 2 times I got stuck black screen boot. To fix that I have to hold the power button then Force shut down. Is there any solution?
I suggest you recheck the timings and try loosening them. I think you should make sure it's stable with the SPD, then once you are sure, move on to the non-SPD ones, you get most of gains while doing the main SPD
Lenovo can take a bit of this, to solve the poor performance at low TDP.
Hi;I have done something similar to this from another video for upping the wattage to 60w using smokeless but everything seemed to revert on next reboot without the usb flash plugged in is there a way to keep these settings permanently between bios updates?
Or does the settings stay without having to flash smokeless?
I usually set it like this on smokeless and then use the g-helper app in Windows and apply the same wattage I've set in smokeless. It usually stays that way for me. If I use both, you don't need to have the USB connected.
@@TECHOSAUR
Thanks for getting back.
I have been doing some research and found people using a program called universal x86 tuning utility changing tpd settings etc and not flashing anything in bios, would you have any idea if using the settings in the program stick, if setting the program to start with windows. I don't think it does memory timings, but it does seem to do a lot of tweaks.
Thanks again 👍
@dame666999 Yes, I know that app, but setting it only from there will eventually revert back. That's why you need to set it on the BIOS level and then use the app to make it apply.
@@TECHOSAUR
Cool, thanks for confirming.
Do love these handheld devices and the tweaking and fiddling 😁
Is there any timings for hynix?
Unfortunately, I only have one model, and it's a Samsung. In Europe, they sell them all like this unless someone from abroad lends me their Legion Go with Hynix, and I tune it and return it. It won't be possible
Hi! Why CLDO VDDP voltage with tweaked timings is 18.84V, not 11.3V as before?
10:23 in video
Voltages are inaccurate in the zentimings for those handheld types of memory controllers, so sometimes this reading, CLDO VDDP, reaches 42 V even at default settings. disregard the variation, as it is inaccurate.
@@TECHOSAUR understood. Thanks! Waiting for my legion go. I'll receive it next week. 16gb/1tb for 570$ (used)
Well, I tried, but unfortunately tests all failed.
Lost the silicon lottery :)
After a few reboots I did in fact have to remove the battery connector to get it to boot.
Stock it is, was hoping this might help switch emulation, any thoughts what I might be able to tweak to stabilise it?
What cpu do you have ? also how fast is your ram ? and what timings are they using
@@silfrido1768Possibly he has a Hynix ram
Try with the SPD timings. Only adjust one value at a time. When you notice it’s not working, increase it until it stops giving any errors. Then, move on to the next one. However, keep non-SPD to auto and start with SPD. It also took me days to find my unit’s sweet spot. There’s no way to calculate which ones to insert, at least that I’m aware of. All you can do is trial and error. I just note all my working values until I reach the end.
But the good thing is that by using the BIOS self-heal feature, you minimize the times you have to remove the battery cable to reset timings.
Just check the important Tips section in this video. I show how i did it in the shortest amount of time.
Do i have to do this on every bios update? or will it set for all future bios updates?
Yes, every BIOS update and every time you unplug the battery for a few seconds, and also when you press the reset settings to the default option within Lenovo BIOS
@@TECHOSAURDo you have to do this again if you shutdown your device?
Did you do the stress tests after each modification of each latency? Or only when the option to continue with Windows failed? Thank you.
Booting to Windows is a first pass for stability, but sometimes instability may not show symptoms unless you are doing some workload. For example, in gaming, you may get a BSOD or tests showing errors. Be careful mostly with the non-SPD, they're tricky. Focus on SPD initially, and once you are sure it's working well, do a benchmark to check if performance has gotten better. Non-SPD wrong values will cause worse performance, so modify them one by one and check performance. If you see it worsening, then increase the timing by one value.
After almost 3 days of touching parameters and finding the right point, I passed ramtest for 8 hours without errors; I have a Hynix memory and at this moment I have only been able to carry out tests with a single game, Far Cry 6. But it was worth it, the minimum fps values are much more stable, and in general I do not have jerks even in scenes Loaded with a lot of action, my average fps has gone from 58fps to 63fps, sometimes touching 75fps, simply wonderful. I am very happy and it is thanks to you. All the best :)
@@realecua What are yours settings ? Mine always crash somehow
I have HYnix uuh yeaaaahhh, I can go a little further without crashing the machine.
Wow that's interesting. Both my Ally and Legion go has Samsung.
What did you set them to?
I'll try it after I get home, I'm at work, but this works for HYnix memories also on laptops, possibly it could give errors if someone doesn't follow the tutorial verbatim, just like that, but you have a very good tutorial.
@@TECHOSAURI have it with me at work, but I didn't remember about this tool, thank you.
@@TECHOSAUR Another thing, in the latest beta version of the BIOS it will be better, it is more stable.
What do you think I can do with 7400mts ?
the primary / secondary are pretty tight.
proprietary timings could be better tho
How come you haven't tried 7000? Maybe it's a sweet spot
Good suggestion, I may try it
Do i need to secure boot off before?
Exactly, just like I did at minute 2:50
Before booting to the smokeless tool, make sure to disable secure boot in Lenovo bios and also set the USB drive to the highest boot priority so it doesn't load windows instead
@@TECHOSAUR i destroyed my lenovo go =( black screen. Micron memory
@@Autobiography59 no, You only need to remove the battery for 30 seconds, this will revert the settings, then you will have a black screen for several seconds, possibly 1 or 2 minutes, then you will see everything again, I put several things into action and had no problems reverting and my ram is SK Hynix.
can anyone confirm this?
Ally x memory timings please!! :)
@@BVLVI soon, I got it ordered 🤫
@@TECHOSAUR I bricked it last night setting 54w.
54000
54000
54000
time 1000000000
the option on the bottom
then changing the next page...
54000
54000
54000
that did it. no boot.
took off the battery cable twice for 10-20 mins nothing.
Looks like the bios uses nand flash so it
says forever. I have to buy a bios chip programmer and hope to find a bios image.
from what I saw in order to use smokeless you have to have the bios chip programmer and do a back up. BEFORE using smokeless.
I have Hynix memory so it didn't work :(
Damn, so do I but hynix is supposed to be better at tweaking with DDR5 than Samsung...? Did you get anything to work did you try doing less timings?
@@charleyweinhardt I didn't have time to do less timing but the timing here only gave me a black screen. No boot :(
Please connect at the discord server, i hope i can help discord.com/invite/PXmJY6BP8b
Same here
@@CyberEu I feel your pain. It suck’s.
the 1% lows are abysmal by default
absolutely useless actions. This only increases the speed of the CPU, and even then not much. This doesn't make sense for GPU performance.
with th ram being used as VRAM?
@@stephenj37824ram for the gpu is specified as bandwidth & how large / fast the bit bus is.
The motherboard itself has its own dedicated pool of ram for the entirety of the system.
Hense why you can tweak the systems ram in bios + the cpu
🤦🏻♂️
Are you dumb? RAM is shared on the Ally so increasing the ram performance improves both CPU and GPU and that's a fact. Do some research before posting dumb comments that are completely inconvenient.
It's an APU... using the RAM as VRAM, of course it will make a difference.