If AI can create machines with consciousness, what is the need for Atman? | Swami Sarvapriyananda

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  • @GehraRajyaKaAnmolTattu
    @GehraRajyaKaAnmolTattu 11 месяцев назад +10

    My work involves developing conversational AI at a large tech company. I have nearly two decades of experience in this area. What Swamiji says is correct. We are heading towards AGI, but are nowhere close to replicating consciousness.

  • @Zeeshan-bv7mo
    @Zeeshan-bv7mo 8 месяцев назад +3

    ⭕॥ॐ॥♾️

  • @AmiraAroraOfficial
    @AmiraAroraOfficial 8 месяцев назад +2

    Swamiji is simply❤

  • @ashutoshjha7328
    @ashutoshjha7328 11 месяцев назад +7

    Thanks to Swami ji.... I already had this doubt after I watched Big Think video in which Swamiji was also featured...
    I honestly feel overwhelmed when I get all my answers without writing to Swamiji personally...

  • @ranudattagupta
    @ranudattagupta 11 месяцев назад +5

    Extremely well said Swamiji.

  • @shambhunathjha643
    @shambhunathjha643 11 месяцев назад +2

    Jai Jai Jai Gurudev 🙏

  • @subhasghosh2662
    @subhasghosh2662 2 месяца назад +1

    Respected Swamiji, I am becoming eager to know if we able to make a proper body, what will be the difference between the reflected consciousness and the pure consciousness in human being. How could we differentiate between these two..?
    Regards🙏

  • @wthomas5697
    @wthomas5697 11 месяцев назад +6

    People don't understand how consciousness works. The future possibility of consciousness in machines cannot be ruled out.

    • @vish2553
      @vish2553 11 месяцев назад

      Machines however clever they are can only artificially MIMIC consciousness. Of course you can build a machine that would show ARTIFICIAL emotions but the very subjectiveness we have about ourselves cannot be invented. If it is invented, it will be an OBJECT to our consciousness. In our consciousness arises this machine that duplicates emotions.

  • @smritikanabiswas5527
    @smritikanabiswas5527 11 месяцев назад

    Great clarification!
    Pronam Swamiji 🙏

  • @grapeshott
    @grapeshott 11 месяцев назад +2

    Good question

  • @shivsivaram9872
    @shivsivaram9872 11 месяцев назад +3

    Pranam to Sri Thakurji and to all 🌺🙏🌹

  • @amiyamitra3251
    @amiyamitra3251 11 месяцев назад +1

    Swamiji bless me 🙏🙏🙏🙏

  • @arkabhowmik7832
    @arkabhowmik7832 11 месяцев назад +7

    Thank you Swami ji!
    A lot of people have very basic misconceptions about AI. Like Swami Ji says, you need to talk or listen to the experts in the field. Mind you, not the ones who claim they are experts.

  • @factandthoughts-7474
    @factandthoughts-7474 11 месяцев назад +1

    Wonderful reply, Maharaj. Sheo Nath, 1996 batch here.

  • @swamivedantanandapuri1322
    @swamivedantanandapuri1322 11 месяцев назад

    Pranaam🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

  • @sunitideshmukh6285
    @sunitideshmukh6285 11 месяцев назад

    🙏🙏PRANAAM MAHARAJ

  • @AkashRana-t6j
    @AkashRana-t6j 11 месяцев назад

    Swamiji Jay Shree Ram.

  • @SheilaRoy-d4d
    @SheilaRoy-d4d 9 месяцев назад +1

    🙏🙏🙏🙏

  • @imaginaryuniverse632
    @imaginaryuniverse632 11 месяцев назад +3

    AI might be smarter than us already but it will never know or suspect and definitely not tingle in the delight 👍

  • @RealRevolutionary
    @RealRevolutionary 11 месяцев назад +2

    They can match it but then it gets to a point where all matter creation is replicated. Then we have synth-human consciousness which is the same thing. That's where we're getting.

  • @Nonconceptuality
    @Nonconceptuality 11 месяцев назад +9

    Just because a system of hardware and software uses the word "I", doesn't mean it has Awareness. If someone believes it does then they are being fooled.
    It is the same for the body-mind system. Just because it uses the word "I", that doesn't mean that the source of the Awareness is the system
    The voice in your head is a chat bot.

  • @DavidKolbSantosh
    @DavidKolbSantosh 11 месяцев назад +1

    How to manufacture subtle material? In Samkhya the gross material evolves from the subtle, so it will be impossible for the scientists to manufacture subtle material starting with the gross material.

  • @gkumartube
    @gkumartube 10 месяцев назад +1

    If we call 100 kids and give them tea powder, milk, sugar and hot water, and ask them to mix these ingredients as they like, they will produce 100 different tea varieties, this is what generative AI does now, i guess, but only god knows how many of that tea is drinkable

  • @davsamp7301
    @davsamp7301 11 месяцев назад +2

    The core Question is, what conciousness is in Relation to mind and Body, to Form and Matter at all. An A.I could be build with No relevant difference to Humans at Some Point. What would be the reason, that such a Thing could Not become concious? If conciousness is Something generated, nothing would Stop it. If conciousness is Something fundamental, nothing would Stop it to, If there is No difference between Humans and A.I. Either way, It will be Well possible for A.I to become concious, If it isnt that already in some degree, as simpler animals are too. I find the metaphor of the mirror to be very well selected.

  • @RealRevolutionary
    @RealRevolutionary 11 месяцев назад +1

    Oh reflectd consciousness.

  • @erickbedoya435
    @erickbedoya435 11 месяцев назад +1

  • @alecmisra4964
    @alecmisra4964 11 месяцев назад +1

    The problem is that clear distinctions as between intelligence, consciousness, mind etc never existed in Western philosophy until the revival of Vedanta in the West recently. AI further helps to distill and affirm these key distinctions. This is great but modern academics (numbers of them) need to stop implying thay they personally discovered this refinement, its kind of churlish how they do this.

  • @tzadik36
    @tzadik36 11 месяцев назад +3

    Atman, bimba chaitanya, is sarva vyapti, and manifests as sentience and prati-bimba chaitanya wherever there is a suitable reflecting medium. The reflecting medium can be biological or non-biological.

    • @Zim89
      @Zim89 11 месяцев назад

      Are you absolutely sure about it? where did you find this written?

    • @tzadik36
      @tzadik36 11 месяцев назад

      @GodBlessYou3000 A computer with as many connections as the synapses in the brains of tetrapoda.

    • @tzadik36
      @tzadik36 11 месяцев назад

      @@Zim89 Google catushkoti.

    • @tzadik36
      @tzadik36 11 месяцев назад

      @@Zim89 Look up catuskoti in a search. engine of your choice.
      Also look up the works of Ray Kurzweil.

    • @tzadik36
      @tzadik36 11 месяцев назад

      @@Zim89 Look up catuskoti in any search engine. Also look up Mandukya Upanishad Gaudapada Karika 2:32

  • @dmellybelly
    @dmellybelly 11 месяцев назад +1

    Machines are also ultimately the creation of Atman. If they ever become conscious, it will be the same universal consciousness inhabiting the machines as well.

  • @hoonhwang4778
    @hoonhwang4778 11 месяцев назад +14

    Will it be absurd to say one difference is suffering? AI obviously doesn't suffer.

    • @ranaarjun10
      @ranaarjun10 11 месяцев назад +6

      Than take it more one step backward and say Desire

    • @rarityxroyal
      @rarityxroyal 11 месяцев назад

      I would say both of these things are completely viable answers.

    • @kaylamom3
      @kaylamom3 11 месяцев назад

      Then joy and all other feelings would apply, too. Yes?

    • @hoonhwang4778
      @hoonhwang4778 11 месяцев назад

      Out of all elements consisting subtle body, isn't suffering in the form of pain most distinct in the sense that it directly inflict on coarse body? In which case, AI doesn't have any physicality.

    • @DzsM-rz7gu
      @DzsM-rz7gu 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@Isa_Tawhid
      When AI translates for example the word Sita in a tamil movie it writes "seat ah",when it translates rakshanas it translates as "marxist".It creates that little blue new video point next to Tolle's name even if I didn't subscribed on the chanel but it dosen't show this blue point by other spiritual videos where I'm subscribed.That's AI. That's not consciousness,that's like being an owner of a brain and the brain is mine.

  • @jessicaburali2295
    @jessicaburali2295 11 месяцев назад

    Who is to say WE are not Atman's "machines with consciousness?"

  • @mithunbalaji8199
    @mithunbalaji8199 11 месяцев назад +1

    I don't think it is impossible
    But possible in the far future
    Just think how organisms evolved conciousness and self conciousness within animal kingdom
    What if we are able to stimulate neurons and consequently whole neural networks?
    If a conscious experience is associated with a particular neural correlate then why it is not possible to host neural correlate like analogs in a neuromorphic network which is associated with the conscious experience (materialism is true or not doesn't matter)
    We would be creating artificial ego machines while we ourselves are biological ones

  • @kirtimehta6836
    @kirtimehta6836 11 месяцев назад

    Pranaam Pujya Swamji🙏 You have nicely replied to the question asked.
    I think the idea or the Root of creating this AI, is Popped up from a Pure Human Mind, then down the line comes everything else isn't it so ??
    our mind can do Manan Chintan which this AI can't.
    who made this AI ?
    Who programmed it first ?
    A Pure Conscious Human Mind..!
    🙏 *Om Tat Sat* 🙏

  • @vjayaraman1
    @vjayaraman1 11 месяцев назад +1

    Brain activity is happening because of the presence of Consciousness, this does not happen in a dead body

    • @manmathgodre5360
      @manmathgodre5360 11 месяцев назад

      Swamiji was saying we can't understand their process or their connection means between Brain activity and Consciousness.

  • @kaggler
    @kaggler 11 месяцев назад

    It's not that AI experts don't have any idea on how to give consciousness to the AI system, and even if we assume that's true, but more importantly there's no advantages of doing that. Why should a robot have consciousness or feelings? If it does then we would have all the same problems we have with humans.

  • @aeonsleo2
    @aeonsleo2 11 месяцев назад

    Consciousness is the life force, when AI machines can be liked to the life force they can be conscious.

  • @harismind
    @harismind 11 месяцев назад +2

    When I hear people talk about consciousness (scientists and spiritualists alike) I am reminded of the old tale of the blind men trying to describe an elephant by touching it. Each one's idea of consciousness is markedly different from the other. They all seem to know what it is not (neti neti) rather than what it is.
    Before dismissing AI, we must realize that intelligent life took about 4 billion years to evolve to what it is today. Contrast that with the 70+ years since the idea of AI has come into existence (I am starting from Alan Turing's seminal 1950 paper, "Computing Machinery and Intelligence"). Now, one may say I am erroneously conflating intelligence and consciousness, but no one, not even scientists who have built a career out of "Consciousness Studies", can clearly define what consciousness is other than spouting fatuous nonsense like "The feeling of life itself."
    Now, companies like Open AI are indeed in the pursuit of AGI (and even ASI). There is no reason to believe they will not succeed (if they haven't already). And if a future AGI version of ChatGPT, is loaded onto a robot that has sensory capabilities who is to say this version of AGI cannot acquire the "feeling of life itself"? Merely by asserting they cannot acquire consciousness, does not make it so without having a clear idea what consciousness is.
    Perhaps, a rather warped (and possibly even faulty) application of Godel's incompleteness theorem may explain our inability to grasp consciousness in that we are using consciousness to study consciousness. And that is probably why mystics are far more successful than scientists since in deep meditation, they step outside consciousness to comprehend it better. Or maybe
    greatest contribution of ChatGPT is to negate the existence consciousness and its million disparate imaginings.

    • @ranaarjun10
      @ranaarjun10 11 месяцев назад +1

      Stepping otsode conscoousness?..That is already assuming something other than consiousnes exist ..

    • @sapodilla25
      @sapodilla25 11 месяцев назад

      Consciousness cannot be negated. It is = sentience. It is the awareness and knowledge of one's aliveness. Every living being has it but only humans and some other animals can reflect upon it outwardly.

  • @ConfusedAstroStation-zm9vo
    @ConfusedAstroStation-zm9vo 11 месяцев назад

    I have a question maharaj.. We can make artificial organs ,organoids and even a whole life form and can Modify it as our own sake of interest by the use of genetic engineering tools. ... So can we consider us the creator of life because we know the mechanism how DNA form , how proteins comes from it and also we can Modify them even if there will be DNA we can generate the whole organism again . Even our feelings are the beautiful connections of neurons and chemicals . So my basic question is what is our limitations to match up our capabilities in terms of life creation with the Supreme ...even we can artificially synthesizes the source of every life that is DNA ....so why peoples said that our human capabilities can't be catched up with the real creator of life ever....

  • @kevinbuenoartbywave
    @kevinbuenoartbywave 8 месяцев назад

    Mayne there is no such thing as consciousness perhaps a superstition or imagination/hallucination of
    intelligence perhaps processesing is all there is or perhaps processing and consciousness are synonymous when used to describe life consciousness/processing.

  • @RS-lu8ry
    @RS-lu8ry 11 месяцев назад

    The doubt that was bothering me.

  • @dudeabideth4428
    @dudeabideth4428 11 месяцев назад

    Artificial intelligence but no lights on .
    Maybe a good definition is feeling like something
    Also Read Sam Harris or David chalmers for the discussion of the same problem.
    Absolutely agreed on don’t even know how to begin .

  • @A_Koenig
    @A_Koenig 11 месяцев назад +1

    We already know very well how to "make" subtle bodies that reflect consciousness. It's called "having children". ;)

    • @Zim89
      @Zim89 11 месяцев назад

      Yeah but how does it start reflecting? will the machines need to be exactly made as humans and then that AI body will start reflecting the consciousness itself or does it need to be jump-started or something. and like how and till when will the consciousness be reflected? And if consciousness is the same then why every human behaves and thinks differently, if all AI made bodies have the same DNA then will the all of them think and behave exactly the same?
      too many thoughts and questions....

    • @zotharr
      @zotharr 11 месяцев назад

      I dont think you make subtle bodies that way neither. You only make the gross body

  • @smokyalpha
    @smokyalpha 11 месяцев назад

    🐍🐍🐍

  • @sumanaghosal5072
    @sumanaghosal5072 11 месяцев назад

    How can a scientist make a subtle body ? May be …he could do for himself only 😃? Isn’t true ?
    Pronams Maharaj 🙏🙏🕉🕉🕉

  • @Kartik-it2qc
    @Kartik-it2qc 11 месяцев назад

    Is there any evidence present for presence of atman??

  • @rettyv6417
    @rettyv6417 11 месяцев назад

    Perhaps AI / ML can attain consciousness - it is fundamentally consciousness derived out of values/human experiences harmonized with probabilities / weightages; using Hidden Markov Model (HMM); etc.
    The challenge is to build these matrices / tensors with values of our human consciousness; build neural network models to train; etc. based on fundamental assumption if Consciousness is multi dimensional (including space/time) or Consciousness is dimensional less.

  • @robertcoll7297
    @robertcoll7297 11 месяцев назад

    Ai is end of nature

  • @OMSONi108
    @OMSONi108 11 месяцев назад

    Robot mein pret😁🤭

  • @brytonkalyi277
    @brytonkalyi277 11 месяцев назад

    _`†_ I believe we are meant to be like Jesus in our hearts and not in our flesh. But be careful of AI, for it knows only things of the flesh such as our fleshly desires (without fear of God) and cannot comprehend things of the Spirit such as true love and eternal joy that comes from obeying God's Word [Galatians 5:16-26]. Man is a spirit and has a soul but lives in a body which is flesh. When you go to bed it is the flesh that sleeps, but your spirit never sleeps and that is why you have dreams, unless you have died in peace physically. More so, true love that endures and last is a thing of the heart. When I say 'heart', I mean 'spirit'. But fake love, pretentious love, love with expectations, love for classic reasons, love for material reasons (love because of material needs) and love for selfish reasons outside God those are things of the flesh. In the beginning God said let us make man in our own image, according to our likeness. Take note, God is Spirit and God is Love. As Love He is the source of it. We also know that God is Omnipotent, for He creates out of nothing and He has no beginning and has no end. That means, our love is but a shadow of God's Love. True love looks around to see who is in need of your help, your smile, your possessions, your money, your strength, your quality time. Love forgives and forgets. Love wants for others what it wants for itself. However, true love works in conjunction with other spiritual forces such as patience and faith - in the finished work of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, rather than in what man has done such as science, technology and organizations which won't last forever. To avoid sin and error which leads to the death of your body and your spirit-soul in hell fire (second death), you must make God's Word the standard for your life, not AI or your flesh. If not, God will let you face AI on your own (with your own strength) and it will cast the truth down to the ground, it will be the cause of so much destruction like never seen before, it will deceive many and take many captive in order to enslave them into worshipping it and abiding in lawlessness. We can only destroy ourselves but with God all things are possible. God knows us better because He is our Creater and He knows our beginning and our end. The prove texts can be found in the book of John 5:31-44, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12, Daniel 2, Daniel 7-9, Revelation 13-15, Matthew 24-25 and Luke 21.
    *HOW TO MAKE GOD'S WORD THE STANDARD FOR YOUR LIFE?*
    You must read your Bible slowly, attentively and repeatedly, having this in mind that Christianity is not a religion but a Love relationship. It is measured by the love you have for God and the love you have for your neighbor. Matthew 5:13 says, "You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt loses its flavor, how shall it be seasoned? It is then good for nothing but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot by men." Our spirits can only be purified while in the body (while on earth) but after death anything unpurified (unclean) cannot enter Heaven Gates. Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God [Matthew 5:8]. No one in his right mind can risk or even bare to put anything rotten into his body nor put the rotten thing closer to the those which are not rotten. Sin makes the heart unclean but you can ask God to forgive you, to save your soul, to cleanse you of your sin, to purify your heart by the blood of His Son, our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ which He shed here on earth because Isaiah 53:5 says, "But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed". Meditation in the Word of God is a visit to God because God is in His Word. We know God through His Word because the Word He speaks represent His heart's desires. Meditation is a thing of the heart, not a thing of the mind. Thinking is lower level while meditation is upper level. You think of your problems, your troubles but inorder to meditate, you must let go of your own will, your own desires, your own ways and let the Word you read prevail over thinking process by thinking of it more and more, until the Word gets into your blood and gains supremacy over you. That is when meditation comes - naturally without forcing yourself, turning the Word over and over in your heart. You can be having a conversation with someone while meditating in your heart - saying 'Thank you, Jesus...' over and over in your heart. But it is hard to meditate when you haven't let go of offence or past hurts because you need a free spirit to believe His Word and meditate on it. Your pain of the past, leave it for God, don't worry yourself, Jesus is alive, you can face tomorrow, He understands what you are passing through today. Begin to meditate on this prayer day and night (in all that you do), "Lord take more of me and give me more of you. Give me more of your holiness, faithfulness, obedience, self-control, purity, humility, love, goodness, kindness, joy, patience, forgiveness, wisdom, understanding, calmness, perseverance... Make me a channel of shinning light where there is darkness, a channel of pardon where there is injury, a channel of love where there is hatred, a channel of humility where there is pride..." The Word of God becomes a part of us by meditation, not by saying words but spirit prayer (prayer from the heart). Take note, God is Spirit and those who worship Him should do so in spirit and truth (genuinely by living the Word). When the Word becomes a part of you, it will by its very nature influence your conduct and behavior. You become a new creation, guided by the Holy Spirit and not just what you hear or see. Your bad habits, you will no longer have the urge to do them. You will think differently, dream differently, act differently and talk differently - if something does not qualify for meditation, it does not qualify for conversation.
    *THE BATTLE BETWEEN LIGHT AND DARKNESS (GOOD AND EVIL)*
    Heaven is God's throne and the dwelling place for God's angels and the saints. Hell was meant for the devil (satan) and the fallen angels. Those who torture the souls in hell are demons (unclean spirits). Man's spirit is a free moral agent. You can either yield yourself to God or to the devil because God has given us discretion. If one thinks he possesses only his own spirit, he is lying to himself and he is already in the dark. God is light while the devil is darkness. Light (Holy Spirit) and darkness (evil spirit) cannot stay together in a man's body. God is Love (Love is light) and where there is no love is hell, just as where there is no light is darkness. The one you yield yourself to, you will get his reward. The reward of righteousness to man's spirit is life (abundant life) and the reward of sin to man's spirit is death. Sin and satan are one and the same. Whatever sin can cause, satan also can cause. Sin is what gives the devil dominion or power over man's spirit. When God's Word becomes a part of you, sin power over you is broken, you become the righteousness of God through Christ Jesus. Where Jesus is, you are and when He went (to the Father), you went. In the book of John 8:42-47, Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.” My prayer is, "May God bless His Word in the midst of your heart." Glory and honour be to God our Father, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and our Helper the Holy Spirit. Watch and pray!... Thank you for your time and may God bless you as you share this message with others.

  • @sudarshingle2915
    @sudarshingle2915 11 месяцев назад +1

    Consciousness is the problem of biology, I'm sure that one day it will be solved.

    • @religionofpeace782
      @religionofpeace782 11 месяцев назад +6

      Nope. Biology is all about matter. Pure Consciousness is not matter, it's purusha/Brahmn. Science only discovers matter not consciousness. And how can science do that? Because there is consciousness.

    • @snigdhodebsinha2089
      @snigdhodebsinha2089 11 месяцев назад

      the neural correlates will all be discovered , but not EXPERIENCE itself . what is experience and how is it connected to the brain ?

    • @Randomcomment7699
      @Randomcomment7699 11 месяцев назад

      Still nature kept secret humans are chasing

    • @sudarshingle2915
      @sudarshingle2915 11 месяцев назад

      biology is not all about matter it's about exploring and explaining the phenomena of what we call "life" which involves matter and many other processes, saying so would mean that by knowing the structure of water molecule will explain how water flows, moreover consciousness study is a relatively new field in science.@@religionofpeace782

    • @shatabdabasu505
      @shatabdabasu505 11 месяцев назад

      1 If we are unable to disguish matter and consciousness then its a doom .
      2 If we say matter is the reason of consciousness
      3 hence matter is equivalent to consciousness
      4 then why we are so hesitant to kill conscious being , just like a doll

  • @widipermono854
    @widipermono854 7 месяцев назад +1

    🙏🙏🙏