Mesa Boogie Mark VII REACTION Metalheads vs Dad Rock?
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Reacting to the MESA MARK VII
John reacts to the launch of the MESA BOOGIE MARK VII Amp Line. From early comments, there's a split camp either thrilled with the edition of the MKIIB, or left cold by the removal of heavy features like EXTREME mode. Where do you sit?
DROP A COMMENT: Will you buy the MARK VII from MESA? What amp you will you buy NEXT?
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3:28 Mark V had individual reverb. nothing new. except the V had the knobs on the back. 90/45/10W also on each of the Mark V channels... pretty happy with the V.
Also Mk VII is missing boost, master volume, variac power mode, type of Rectifier (diode/tube) for ch 1 & 2, or option of pentode/triode for ch 3…. Not mentioning missing Tweed, Edge, mark I and extreme circuits. Ok they added mk VII circuit, fine… they didn’t had to replicate fat and crunch on both ch 1 & 2. It’s just bad choice. Typical Gibson, the masters of bad choices!
5 has some better features for sure
You nailed it when you said Gibson knows who is buying tube amps - smart business decision
The mode distribution is actually pretty brilliant, channels I and II can do lower gain stuff or higher gain stuff depending on what you want. Sucks to lose some of the other features though. I’m not buying this personally but I think they’ll sell loads
Thanks for watching! Yup I think so for sure on Gibson
@mark dakel, Not really. Most people who are buying a Mark series amps are looking for a versatile, scooped, and focused "high gain" amp that can also do good cleans. High gain being the key there because there are a lot of other amps in the market that are versatile. Not many are as versatile AND can do crushing high gain like a Mark V though. By reducing the amount of overall gain and catering towards more "low gain"/blues offerings, Mesa/Gibson are reducing their overall market for this amp. If the Mark V 90 watt had cab clone, there would be absolutely no reason to purchase this amp. I have the Mark V 35 head and V 25 combo, and those both have IR cab clone. My only complaint with those amps is that the Crunch channel is on the clean channel, but the Mark VII doesn't do enough over the Mark V series to warrant the upgrade.
Based on everything I've seen and heard so far, the Mark IV is going to remain my favorite of the mark series.
Yes....I have 2 MKIV REV A's. Early 90's vintage. Also have MKV 90W mfr'd in 2022. My greatest concern of Mesa MK's mfr'd in the last 10 years is serviceability. There is just so much packed in small space. Although I'm able, I choose not to work on these because it is a real pain to work these tight spaces. I just send to Mike Bendinelli. They come back perfect. The $$$ is burning a whole in my pocket for the MKVII though.....we'll see.
Great point, I was actually really wondering about serviceability with so much packed in. Thanks for watching
@@dfwlistener7593 I'd have to disagree. The Mark IV's are literally the *least* serviceable of the Mark series. Now, I love the IV's and own one... but given the choice between servicing a newer Mark (V, VII etc) or the IV I'll take the newer ones everyday of the week. Its making me twitch just thinking about replacing the caps on my IV.
Almost 4 grand. Think not.
YEP. Id rather spend that type of money on a custom instrument.
I’d rather get a 5150 and splurge on a Zilla cab
5 grand up here in Canada….the nerve.
Not at that price.
Mark amps are a flagship model and have always been expensive. Is this your first day shopping Mesa Mark amps?
I’m a dad and I love tubes!
LOL, $3799 for a combo! With that money you could buy a stellar amp, used/new guitar, & a couple of pedals & still leave some money in the bank.
You can’t go wrong with an EVH 5150 III.
Ay some people got the dollary doos for the latest stuff
So many people talking $#!7, it's hilarious. Just don't buy it.
Agreed man, so much salt. Some are crying that it is too complex and it should be an exact 2C+ reissue....some are crying they removed too much and it is just a stripped down mk5. All this without even PLAYING one! 🤣
@@SluggerStark Yeah, the funniest is, "WTF happened to VI?"
Really? Who gives a rip!?
@The Even Order The thing is, removing some features and circuitry doesn't all of a sudden make it a "cut rate mk5". And yes, you would save some money with 3 less tubes and removed circuitry....but that is more than made up for by the cost of those new massive transformers!
Now, aside from this, I think EVERYTHING is overpriced right now. Look at the price of a 2203 reissue by Marshall. And don't even get started on the true boutique amps. Plus bloody everything nowdays people label as "vintage" and it costs a premium. Sadly, there aren't many really great pieces of gear you can get for awesome deals nowadays. I remember the days of 500 dollar jcm 800's and 5150's. I bought my mkiv for ~800 bucks back in 2004. Now they go for over 3 times that. So, ya, I agree with you on the overpriced part, but unfortunately these are the times we are in. Mesa isn't the only company with insane prices.
@The Even Order My thoughts: I played the V & Badlander last week, and I've done all the research possible at the moment since I won't be able to try the V-II for a while.
The Mark V has not been outdone by Mark-VII. Not even close. The Mark-V gives a more versatile clean channel, has a way better gain-stage throughout all, the closest thing to a Plexi & JCM800 you'll ever get without actually buying them, and after that, still moves into the incredible Mesa sounds on channel 3. The V-II is hyped with selling language, has lame modern/digital/midi shit, and it's shiny & and new, so it seems better at first glance. It's not.
Still, price isn't an issue. I no longer buy used gear, so it's a bit higher-lower around 3000$ no matter which I choose. Probably the V.
As far as ethics are concerned; it's 2023, and the world is f#@&ed, so I don't really concern myself with those too much anymore.
@The Even Order watch Euge Valovirta almost perfectly match the M-V's 2nd channel between his 800 and Plexi. It's crazy. He's having so much fun, smiling and laughing the whole time.
2C+ dated? Bro your brain and ears are dated lol
Sick burn NERD
@@johnnyjohnson6815 bruh
He even said that the IIC+ sounds like hair metal hahahahaha. He couldn't be more wrong.
Roasted! That's my least favorite sound on the amp, but I could still see many uses for it. I know it's the one many people swear by but hey, maybe someday I'll wise up. Thanks for watching.
@@PlayandTradeGuitars I don't doubt that the IIC+ mode on the Mark VII sounds like that, but the real amp is nothing like that.
How is this with gain with single-coils? Does it have the heft of the JP2C?
One thing I dislike about gainy Marshall-type circuits is how stringy they get, especially with single-coils. I've never played a Mk VII, so obviously don't know LOL!
People spend too much time playing internet checklist games with gear. If you think this amp doesn’t do high gain, get your head checked. There’s effectively two clean modes, (Clean, fat) two crunch/mid-gain modes, (Crunch, IIB) and three high gain modes. (VII, IV, IIC+) They don’t have to market it as a high gain amp because anyone with a brain knows it does high gain. lol
Based on my opinions the Mark V, I have is the best one they have ever released. This new 7 is missing the Solo button and for this reason for me they have made have taken 1 stap forward and 2 steps back. 🚶♂️ I also think Mesa Boogie for put these models back in production
LONE STAR
RECTOVERB
TREMOVERB
THEY SHOULD ALSO RELEASE THE DUAL RECTIFIER HEAD WITH REVERB (HEAD VERSION)
I am So Happy I have the Mark V Head and the Rectoverb Head
I would say it is the most versatile of the Mark series. I do like the Solo feature.
Well, I'm a working musicia and this amp is a dream. It got everything you'll ever need. Sure, Metal Heads are not the main targetgroup, but I can still can see it used in Metal. It still has planty of Gain. And the MKIIC+ Channel is a great base to get some filthy metal sounds, if you know how. Would consider this thing to buy for my studio.
Yes I really do agree. I have a Deluxe Reverb that is my dream amp except it can't do modern high gain. To have this one amp on a gig or in the studio to cover so many sounds, and provide texture/contrast in a recording context I can't think of a better real tube amp personally. Thanks for watching!
I just received a new jp2c
I wonder if the VII is more versatile
Or if the third channel will do the JP stuff ?
I have a Mark V, and I can confirm that amp took a long time to learn. But it’s also got a ridiculous amount of options and versatility. It seems clear to me what their thinking is with the Mark VII. The key feature is the cab clone. You said it yourself - a lot of people are using modeling. But a lot of those people would rather be using a real amp, and the only reason they don’t is because they live in a place where they can’t turn it up, and they may play small clubs where they also can’t turn it up. Now they can get the best amp there is, and play and record silently.
Removing some of the options of the Mark V may have been to reduce costs there, in order to add the new stuff. But the core tones are there. The Mark V really is overkill in a lot of ways. You’re going to find the sounds you like and use those, and a lot of the options will go unused.
Also, “Dad rock” is kind of a lame meme at this point, because it’s been used so long it can describe anything. If it means anything, it means Boomer music from the 60s and 70s. Whatever. But I will not tolerate anyone putting down blues. Anybody who doesn’t like blues is not a real musician. It is literally the foundation of all American music. Including metal. And 2023 pop. You cannot escape blues, it will never die, and no one should insult it. And the Mark series is incredible for blues, but if you don’t want high gain, you don’t need it, just get a Fender.
It also took me a bit to learn to dial in the Mark V. Now I feel like it is the easiest thing in the world.
Way too much money for that amp. I’ll take my old pre Gibson boogies. Targeted to the boomers with the big money for lifestyle brands…ie Harley Davidson. Only 10 years ago you could get a mark IV combo for less than $1000.
I bought a mk IV head from ebay, practically brand new, for 700 bucks in 2010. I regret to this day having sold it.
I've owned every Mark to date. I'll have a VII eventually. No rush. I'll buy it on the used market, like all the rest. At the moment the Mark IV is the only type I don't have. (Or a VII, of course.) I can be very happy with my V, my III, my IIB, etc...
You’re missing out without the IV!
I agree, I think that Mesa would have issues with Peavey (who desperately need money) if they made a mark 6. Fluff was also tooting the marketing talk about 7 lol.
Yeah, metal heads today plug the gt in axe fx, kemper etc into a mesa patch witch is already set scooped, so... yeah.. youtube bs and misleading info
The price of Mesa's and Marshall's ect is absolutely f**king ridiculous . The price of most gear from Fender , Gibson & Marshall ect is a con job . They know the end is coming so they focus on drawing every last dime out of the baby boomers pockets . They are trying to sell those Epiphone Flying V & Explorers for $1200 HAHA . Hit the used market before these companies buy back those and rebrand them and charge you 3 months wages .
Look at what you get with the this Boogie. 3 Channels 3 modes each, 8 Cab Sims for each Channel 3 watt settings for each channel to 2 sets of Power Tubes. This is the most versatile tube amp. If you don't need all the Mark VII offers get a cheaper one, built in the US like the Abrams Tank. I have a DC-3 built in 1995 and its still Awesome. These amps are built to last a life time and appreciate in value.
@@DavidMorisset certainly not worth 4k
cab clone works amazing. I have a $300 headphone amp connected to my interface and with dt 1990 pro headphones I could practice any time of the day or night I want and it sounds orgasmic
I have the slim version on a MkV:25 and I don't get the hate. Mine sounds really good connected to my Audient iD44 interface played back on entry-level JBL studio monitors with a sub.
@@electricurinal they see the cab clone as cheaper and more primitive two notes torpedo captor x. I am sure it is way better and is around $600 more. Is it worth it I am sure but question is by how much?
@@crate718 a torpedo captor or ox box or really any dedicated load box slaughters the mesa cab clone. not even close. cant be in the same discussion
@@ericschugemporium973 some times you just have to be happy with what you have. If there is a good reason for me to upgrade then I will. For now I am good and have zero complaints.
@@crate718 I agree completly. Go with what you need. But if you ever want to experience playing a high wattage amp through a 4x12 in your bedroom, its the way to go. i have a rivera rockcrusher and regualr torpedo and I kinda get the best of both worlds. most the time i have my amps going straight in to my interface from the captor
I don’t believe Gibson had anything to do with the Sam other than manufacturing capabilities and distribution
Mark VII is great. But it is not a replacement of the Mark V (that has an extreme mode - the Mark`s visit card)
This seems like a very cool amp. It is definitely not for me, even if I could afford it; way too many options and a 25 watt minimum is still too much for my little apartment. However, if I were a working musician and had the money to spend, I could see trying it out for sure.
Randal Smith is 77 this year too.
It is not the first mark in over 10 years. You forgot about the JP2C+.
Buy the way you can GET SO MUCH BETTER FOR THAT MONEY.
Yay! +1 for the Dad rockers who use all 6 strings! 🤣
I play Dad rock and Metal. I play all seven lol.
If it's not a simul class mark three colosseum I don't even want it
The Mark V has channel adjustable reverb. The knobs are on the back. That is not new.
This is not a dream amp. $3500? What do they think they are selling here? Like the Soldano SLO 30 being almost $3K. None of these are worth the price tag because of inflation.
From my experience Mesas are still amongst the highest quality builds, and considering you're getting all these amps in one package, and what the vintage/used marks would cost individually, I do think you're getting a lot. Thanks for watching!
@@PlayandTradeGuitars Can I ask...what more would one be getting? That is worth another $1,000. Considering the market they are aiming towards, that market keeps all the vintage amps and have all of them already.
It's sooooooooooo loud, need the master volume to help harness it for home use
Well said on this review. Dad Rock :)
I would love to see a Shoot out between the Mark VII with Midi and the Tone X.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
VERY HELPFUL.
Metal is dad rock now. 😅
I really tried to love Mesa Boogie. For years and years I bought and sold them after just a short time. I really can't EVER see anything coming close to Marshall tube amps. (Marshall solid state amps suck!)
Hahaha comes on a mesa review to say how mesas suck compared to Marshall..how old are you? 15?
See I’m just the opposite. I’ve owned everything from the dsl to a jvm410c. Didn’t get along with any of them (but I will admit the jvm did have some great sounds in it!)
After getting the mark vii I really feel like my tone search is over. This amp is literally perfect for me in every way, from tone to features. But that’s the great thing about musicians, we may dig on each other from time to time, but we all love gear and seeing what other people can do with different gear than we have
They did not improve the foot switch connector ( at least make it locking )
LOST
Overall Master volume
Solo
Mark V Tweed
Mark V Edge
Mark I
Mark V Extreme
EQ depth presets
I also think they lost the ability to go between Tube and SS rectifier and Variac power and 10 watt mode
I owned a MKIIb the MK 1 or MKIII had better gain the MKII Cleans were killer , you can do the MKII Clean on channel one.
To bad I was hoping
I appreciate you filling this in, thanks for watching!
I really enjoy Mark V Extreme mode. Mark VII is great and maybe more refined than Extreme mode even though not as uniquely voiced.
Dad amp! Give Gibson time. They will turn Mesa into a legacy brand.
It won't take nearly as long for the current youthful favorites to be considered useless junk as it did for the amps that span those magical 30 years from the 70s to the 90s. Have fun being relegated to being laughably outdated much sooner than the "dads" and "boomers" ever were lol.
What is “dad rock”? Whose dad?
Totally agree on all points. Amazing vid.
This dude is so misinformed with these amps 😂
How so?
I'm not crazy about the Digital modeling. So today I bought a Mesa Boogie Mark V 90 watts head to pair it with my Vader 4X12. Metal head's don't have the $$$ to buy tube amps, but dad rockers are rolling in dough. Metal heads prefer modeling amps like the Kemper.
No mark 1, no bold and no solo switch. No tweed and no 10watt mode. Just hope they don’t stop making the Mark V. Gibson really messed this up. Oh well there are more amps out there.
The novelty of the di wears off after you discover it's not what the amp actually sounds like. That's coming from a tc owner, tho, so take it for what it's worth. Dad's are probably the only ones who can pay the sticker. So there's that. They should have kept the tube rectifier in place of the di, but I understand it's the major difference between it and the Mark V. From what I hear, it sounds great!!! Personally, I think I'm going to buy a Mark V. Is it wrong that while looking at the Mark VII, I fall for the Mark V?
I just played the Mark VII today at guitar center for a couple of hours. Nice amp. Great cleans. Great high gain and lead. Mark VII mode is fantastic.
It was surprising how quickly the sounds went from clean to high gain without the in between overdriven saturation harmonics I am used to from my Mark V35 and Mark IV.
I enjoy using my Mark V35 to cop guitar sounds from records without needing to use distortion/overdrive pedals. The Mark VII seemed less flexible for that.
I went ahead and ordered a used Mark V 90 watt head today instead because it felt like a good time to do that. I hope I like it a lot. The only thing I have not liked about my Mark V35 is having to manually toggle the switch to go from clean to crunch. I use both of these modes frequently so three channels will be great.
No Mark 6: my thought is that it's too easy to confuse IV and VI. And yes, the Mark 4 still rules and I see no reason to trade. And no master volume? Makes no sense either.
5:29 killing the live scene 🎬
Idk if it's any smarter of a business decision, they are constantly unable to keep the jp2c in stock for those poor metal guys.
Seems like a cool amp, but I'm one of those metal guys that's curious to see if the mk vii mode really sounds like a rec/mark and if takes an od well. I'd also like to know if the mkiv and 2c modes are the same enimic modes from the Mark V90 or are they beefier like a real mkiv and 2c.
I loved everything about the mkv90 except channel 3, I'm hoping this is better even without extreme mode
Ive seen the demos out so far. Some features should have carried over from the V. Master volume, Solo boost, mute, Variac, preset EQ. And if they were trying to give a wider variety to people then why have channel clones? There could have been two more amp options there. I mean, if you wanted to augment your clean sound, for example, it could have been done with a pedal instead of going to the clone and losing another potential amp model on channel two. Anyway, I'll stick my mark V.
There are Mark III and Mark IV from Peavey already without any legal collisions. I think it is pretty much impossoble to copyright %mark_digit% name.
This isn't the first generation cab clone (it's also been in the mark 5 35 and 25 and the petrucci amp), can't you load your own IR's on it so that it sounds better?
Dad's love tubes
I saw the announcement video this morning. Seemed just “ok” to me. Wasn’t all that impressed with the demo. The price tag makes it a definite no.
More rock vibes and less progression on the Mark tone thats the definition of Metal.....Probably a Badlands and a JP2C are both better options....Obviously Randall is being dictated on what to do...
Thanks for watching! dictated is a strong word haha but influence from Gibson is my guess for sure, only makes sense.
I dunno man. I don’t play any “dad rock” and the mark vii is definitely a dream come true for me.
Dude, the one guy that made the 12+ minute video just bitching made me laugh.
Hey Dad. What up with that K Vee hanging behind you , all lonely and sad...
I always wonder how many working musicians are there and how much they earn that this amp price is from SPACE?This is not for all of us.This is amp for a chosen one.
I hear you, but guitar is a versatile instrument - for someone working a classic rock band one night, top 40 another, blues/r&b, and country I truly could see this being the one to rule them all so in a way I think it's great for a working musician to carry a 1x12 combo that does all this. I always found it a little frustrating to have to have an amp that does "vintage" tones and then one that does "modern." This will nail both but yes it's expensive for sure. I have a Deluxe Reverb I adore but it can't do the modern tones that this Mark VII can. Thanks for watching.
So I'm good just keeping my Mark IV then? Nice.
Also...why Mark VII? It's a talking point.
The Mark 5 also has reverb on all 3 channels.....
It’s been pointed out that the V already had reverb, so this isn’t new.
While I’m a little gutted that the Edge mode didn’t survive, I’m excited by the potential of running dual mono with the V on Edge and the VII on IIb.
Something no one has touched on though is the removal of the master volume. Are the masters on each channel on the VII genuine master volumes (with what would have been volume on the V essentially on full), or are these the volumes from the V just renamed? And if they are masters, how does this impact the effects loop level (given there’s no level control now). As I run 4CM this is a big thing for me but there’s no info on this yet.
Nothing is new about reverb. My Mark IV has reverb (as utterly useless as spring reverb on an amp like this is...). And yes, no master volume should be the main discussion point here. That would be a nightmare in a live setting.
@@swampscott2670 Depends on how it operates in the circuit, which is what no one has delved into yet.
THANK YOU, VERY HELPFUL.
You didn’t cover what Mesa took away:
Mark V Tweed
Mark V Edge
Mark I
Mark V Extreme
EQ depth presets
Between the two, for me, I’d stick with the Mark V.
The one thing I think Mesa should have attempted to do on the Mark V was to include the actual gain control that was used in the previous Mark amps in addition to the existing drive control which they renamed as gain. This would allow channel 3 to also excel at the medium gain tones that can be dialed on a Mark II or Mark IV. I could see it being a stacked pot where the gain control currently lives.
You didn't cover what Mesa took away:
Your breath
*Bumdum tisss*
They also took away the Master Volume, solo, Mute, variac, tube rectifier for ch1&2 and triode/pentode for ch3
I appreciate you filling this in, thanks for watching!
@@joshuafrahm8778 yea, I love those features on my V. especially solo and mute come in so handy on the footswitch.
Excellent review
#DadMetal
THE MARK IV IS THE MOST DATED SOUND, in all of rock
What happened to the Mark VI?
6:57
Conclusions? If you're a metalhead go for Mark IIC+ (and get it modded to ++ while Randall Smith still hasn't left with Mike B.) or get a Mark III / IV. Nothing beats the sound of those amps (especially everything pre mark IV).