Dirty PCBs Vs Seeed PCBs and limited edition kit prize.
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- Open competition for a VERY limited edition kit (just 10 being made) with an unintentional review of the Dirty PCB and Seeed studio PCB prototyping services.
For a chance to win the kit just leave any comment down below. The rest of the kits are a way to thank the channels PayPal and Patreon supporters who make a huge contribution to the channel by providing a layer of security against RUclips shenanigans and also allow me to be less restrictive about the type of content I put out without worrying about upsetting advertisers. It's all just a little bit ruder, more dangerous and fun as a result.
I'm already sending random things at random times to random PayPal and Patreon supporters, and this will continue.
These little tree kits are really nice to build and look great. I've done all the hard work for you by making the pre-crimped stems and stripping the ends ready for use. The kit includes everything you need except a soldering iron, pair of side cutters and a USB power supply. These kits will draw about 150mA on a 5V supply.
The prototype PCB sites I used to get the batches manufactured were:-
www.dirtypcbs.c...
and
www.seeedstudio...
If you enjoy these videos you can help support the channel with a dollar for coffee, cookies and random gadgets for disassembly at:-
www.bigclive.co...
ENIG= Electroplated Nickel Immersion Gold, which is the normal gold finish where you don't need hard plating for edge connectors etc., but want a very flat surface for fine pitch SMDs, QFNs etc.
From what I found its actually Electroless Nickel Immersion Gold, where the Nickel is deposited without needing to pass an electric current through the solution.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroless_nickel_immersion_gold
10:50 - 11:11 --> BigClive pre-crimped 340 terminals? Now that's some serious dedication for his viewers.
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I legit personally know how he feels .... but I have worked in electronics and I have had to do the job he's did ... except he's only had a taste what hell I went through doing that crap 12 hours a day 6 days a week ... I would rather tickle a rattlesnakes balls than do that crap again.
How's Australia?
Plus the 17 from the kit he assembled in the video. And I'm sure he made a couple extra on top of that.
The ones from the kit Clive used in this video are included in the 340. (20 PCBs x 17 terminals = 340)
And every kit has 1 extra as only 16 are used.
Years ago it used to be popular to make "armatures" for trees for model railways from telephone wire twisted together in more or less the same way. When finished by wrapping the main trunk with floral tape and painting it with plaster for texture and then adding foliage (coloured ground up foam rubber) the results can be very realistic.
Best quote ever: "Lead based solder, for te maximum soldering pleasure!"
Clive I have ip65 rated led down lighters that we use at work. These fail alarmingly regularly despite costing upwards of £15 each! If interested I could send some too you for a future autopsy video. Love the channel keep up the good work.
Same thing, a lot of times the bond wires inside the LED elements break (instead of a PSU failure)._
DjResR they just end up flashing randomly. I figure it's a component on the aluminium board that's at fault rather than its driver. Shame really given their cost and modest heatsinks installed.
Pink cable ties? Hot damn, I'm in.
It's probably a bit late for a chance at a kit but what the hell
I'm still jealous af at your soldering skills, you did the whole assembly faster than it took me to replace the grindy little 40mm fan in my ioniser/ozone generator with something a little quieter
Clive, I have to tell you, I was trained in radio electronics in the army, but I have learned much more, watching your videos than the army taught me. I have really enjoyed watching these past few years! Very entertaining, and educational. Not after the kit, just want you to know, you're appreciated. Thank you so much!
Since I need to comment I'll take the opportunity to give you my heart felt thanks for getting me back into electronics after a 15 year hiatus (A Level Electronics!) and its now brining me an immense amount of pleasure, so thanks Clive!
ENIG: Electro less Nickel, Immersion Gold
A completely chemical process that puts about 0.1µm of gold over a few µm of nickel.
Cool led tree Clive. Really enjoy your videos and learn a lot from you.
Really wish I could afford to be a pateron. Sorry.
Just keep up the fun work. Even us retired 75yo disabled vets enjoy learning new things or just being entertained with your shows.
I've now had 6 lots of double-sided PCBs done by Seeed, and in all cases the quality and price were both excellent. If you order multiple designs at the same time, then the per-board cost drops quite a bit, due to the combined postage costs. They also offer DHL delivery - costs a little more, but is faster.
With DIrtyPCBs, it's worth changing from protopack to qty 10, and setting the actual size as that sometimes works out cheaper. Also check 20x and 30x as sometimes they come in at the same price as 10x.
yep i do that too on dirty pcbs. ;)
I love the smell of lead in the morning...
Doug Reed shrinking balls
Doug Reed gunpowder! well at least for us Americans in the USA!
I'd have to agree. Lead free solder just lacks that sweet smell :(
In your pencil?
A lead based comment.
We don't want any of those lead-free comments :)
Off-cuts of brown copper clad board and an etch-resist pen. Happy days.
THAT stuff never worked for me. Was great fun though.
Gimme da multimeter!... wrong channel
Oliver Holt nice
Oliver Holt who is giving away a multimeter?
Do R/C! electroboom
Lmao
If you put this on your website as a kit, I'd be willing to pay for it, as it's such an interesting looking "tree", especially with the colour changing LEDs!
Same here.
and me :)
JJ TECH same
I would love one of those lamps to sit on my computer . it will give me a good reason to get a proper soldering station and muck about with electronic kits during the long winters
Just use a cheap USB power supply.
High CRI is easy to explain, it's like having less ripple by adding phases to your input. They use more colors of phosphors and carefully proportion them to more closely match the human eye's response curve. You'll see fewer dead spots or weak colors in apparently white light.
I enjoy your videos because I've always enjoyed taking stuff apart to see what makes it tick. I also save a lot of broken items rather than tossing them because maybe some part of it might be useful later on. Recently, after a lightning storm, two LED tubes in the basement got zapped. I was curious what exactly got zapped, so I took it apart and found the LED strip was unharmed but the little power supply had a chip blown out of the chip in the power supply. The LED PC board has cob LEDs arranged in groups of 5 parallel and 24 groups in series. What I wound up doing was cutting the pc strip into 2 pieces of 11 groups and 1 piece of 2 groups and used all 3 in the kitchen as under counter lighting. Since I have 3 HP printer 32v dc power supplies, from friends that gave me their old printer that no longer worked, I was able to use one of them to power the 2 eleven group strips and I used a Canon 6v DC wall wart (from what, I know not). I just thought you are one person who could appreciate that story. Keep up the good videos. Jim
Great little kits you've got there, Wouldn't mind being able to buy them from your website
Max Beefsteak 👍
gimme a 3D printer. oh wait, wrong channel. please send me a kit and send Jullian a spludger.
Here's my comment.
Thanks for the years of entertainment and information. Watching you tear down the deadly pink devices from China has made my world a little safer and a lot more appreciative of well engineered electronics.
Not sure about the odds, but did want to let you know your videos inevitably make me giggle, snort, or laugh out loud at least once every video. I love the comments and the 'basic' setting that doesn't distract the viewer. Keep up the great work!
Had no idea getting pcbs made was so cheap at a small scale.
It's not, unless you're specifically ordering from one of these two - they're not the ones being mentioned by accident. There might be another one or two less known sources with the same pricing (I don't know of any others), but the typical "hobby PCB" outlet will charge you several times this price, and at $50-100 for ten, when you really just need one single small PCB paying for it stops being fun really fast...
One of these two.. or Smart Prototyping, ITEAD, Elecrow, PCBWay, ALLPCB, ShenZhen2U, and certainly a few more. And OSHPark, which has a different pricing scheme (which sucks for this specific example, but is great for some things).
Love OSH Park for small boards. If you're into SMD and tend to make thing a couple inches square, it's cake. For larger boards, I tend to go with Elecrow, as OSH's pricing scheme tends to end up more expensive with increased size. Elecrow's also nice if you want other options, like solder mask color, etc.
Never used Dirty PCBs or Seeed.
gimme da meetah... whoops, wrong giveaway
Данил Сергин lol
Tbf they moth like causing explosions so easily confused :)
need to meaure the FULL BRIDGE RECTIFIER
Данил Сергин *insert monobrow dance*
This is one of the best informative videos about two totally different companies and pub,s and how they are made. I’ve watched this video twice along with a few other s. Thanks for all the great info on different electronic components. I never went to any kinda schooling for electronics. I learned it mostly on my own with the help of a great friend in , Porter, Texas. Mr Sonny Eires. He learned everything about communication electronics when he was in the navy. There’s nothing he couldn’t fix or build from scratch. I learned to work on cb radios and amps. I even designed my linears. I built com a little 50 watt driver to 6000 watt amps. I even helped sonny develop what we named a, dead motor mall. When you keyed up your radio to activate the amp , the motor mall would change from 12 volts to 24 volts. You could use as many 12 volt batteries as you had space for. I’m retired now and piddle around the house and always looking for something to build or fix. Thanks. John.
Skip the rest of the video? No way. Watching soldering is mildly interresting, but it's all the stories and knowledge that you so willingly share that makes it so nice to watch. :)
Better odds of winning a kit than getting stuck by lighting. I'm in :)
This is kindof interesting: It looks like SEED can also do the assembly, which sounds cool if you've already done some test boards, and then you want to miniaturize it.
I also hope you'll be able to do videos while you're out and about! Those were always interesting.
i intend to set up the "studio" on a random flight case as soon as possible. I'll be trying to put up a lot more videos than I did while I was travelling last year.
Lead based, for all your soldering pleasures. Hmmmmmm nice
Only way to do it properly...
The concept of getting a custom printed board that affordably is amazing.
You should consider selling those kits. I would like to buy one.
I've been watching your videos a lot lately while doing breaks from studying for my Electrical Engineering exams. They are perfect to relax and simultaneously learn much about bad chinese product design.
Dennis Witzig the bob ross for electrical engineer(ing students) ;)
+ Niklas Mertens........I agree except Clive doesn't beat the devil out of his tools :-)
You are very kind to your viewers... always fun to see you do tear down and explain the circuitry...
The explanation of the PCB manufacturers' pages is very much appreciated!
Clive, you have on of the best electronics tear down and circuit board exploration channels out there. Keep uploading the good content.
Watching Clive before bed.
his voice is so soothing isent it !
Hellcore ditto
& ditto
its like a geeks bedtime story of electronic distruction. I don't even understand some of the electronic it find it enjoyable. its deffo the voice but as well I love taking things to bits or building crazy things to enjoy!
lol, me too.
Don't mind watching the build for a second time; love to hear your ramblings.
listening to you talk about various lighting effects or electrical stories as you assemble a thing is damn near therapeutic.
these kits are awesome. whoever wins one should record the build process and share.
ENIG is Electroless Nickel Immersion Gold, its a nickel plated pad with a thin flash of gold on top to protect the nickel pad and aid soldering. The gold is removed by the solder, and you solder to the nickel pad. Its becoming the standard lead free finish. its also good for small SMD components, as its flat, unlike HASL which can have bumpy finish
I already saw the other build video for the LED tree. Still, I can't stop watching this one. Oh dear, I think I need to cut back on watching RUclips for a while.
when I worked for this company I was running a EUBANKS 9100 wire machine cutting and stripping and marking MILES of wire every day. also running AMP and MOLEX crimping machines . with the FLYWHEEL and solenoid die. loved that job
Would love to get one of these kits, since I am not an asshat!
You should sell these kits! Kits are the best way of learning electronics in my opinion.
He actually does sell some kits (www.bigclive.com/shop.htm), but I remember him saying not many people buy them because they are more expensive than cheap kits from eBay.
Electrical engineer here that went through an apprenticeship before going to university.
Kits will teach you soldering, and maybe give you some ideas for good PCB design.
Breadboards and simulators are better for learning the actual electronics.
Pros and cons of Dirty PCBs v. Seeed:
Seeed is cheaper when you use 1 design per Gerber file because they charge per design. One design could be 4 identical, 4.5 by 4.5 mm boards placed in one gerber file or just one PCB design. When you have multiple boards you will need to add mouse bites in your gerber file to allow PCBs to be separated later.
If you need multiple different small boards on the same 10 by 10 board Dirty PCBs is cheaper. You just add all of them to the same gerber file (making sure they are in the 10 by 10 mm area) and Dirty PCBs adds the mouse bites for you. This makes panelization much easier for people new to PCB design.
Lastly, if you are in Shenzhen, both will show you factories/how things are made. However, the people at Dirty PCBs are more fun when it comes to beer and BBQ.
I have used Dirty PCBs a couple of times. Excellent quality, just slow shipping.
Love watching your projects Clive, it’s inspired me to get my old soldering iron out.
Very kind gesture Clive, thnx
I'll stroke your beard for a kit! Only with the grain too, just like a kitty!
I just wanted to say that I love this channel. Your videos have actually gotten me through a really tough time in my life, and have also inspired me to learn to solder and to play around with electronics.
You're a true Scotsman, Clive. You made an offer with no thought to the personal hardships or consequences. Then you regretted that offer!
As some with an apartment, id love to have a year round Christmas tree to brighten up my life. Also clive, may i suggest painting the wire limbs of the tree green, brown or black? If I win id definitely do that.
To put less stress on the wires: Twist them together before soldering!
Good luck soldering them after you twisted them.
Big Clive, I love your channel as it is very informing and entertaining. I will admit that I love your accent. Just to note I was a radio maintainer for Amtrak and am used to working at the component level, even down to replacing surface mount components with a 25 watt soldering iron.
Still interesting, 3 years later. Thanks for your efforts and channel.
Hi Clive. I'm visually impaired (registered blind). I love all your work watched every very... I struggle to soldier with my Vision but have started playing with Microcontrollers as I can get away with bread board and patch wires. but I would love one of your LED Tree's if I could be built. With ym Vision deterioration LED Lighting is my obsession and a must. I lovely the wonders of RGB for pleasure but always have led lighting around me to live day to day from LED Touches, Filitment LEDS to full on ceiling and floors / Video lights.... I would love to be luck to receive a built Tree. keep up your amazing videos. I love watching your video just before bed. chilled out relaxing watching you dismantle the crazy pink things of China. p.s. love the gay darlics. so doesn't my Chinese Husband. we think it's helirious. much love. Sean (and Alex) Yem from Near Liverpool
Sean Yem i also have low vision and have a setup where i use my iPhone on a tripod and use its Magnifier function for soldering. Takes a bit of getting used to but does work
Sean Yem I myself am visually impaired and am registered blind, love soldering it can be defficult at times however with enough practice I have become quite confident in my soldering. Being fully colour blind also doesn't help things as colour plays a big part in electronics as well as in standard electrical stuff however I always find a way to get what needs to be done done haha
Keep on soldering!
chrisphobia ha! It just so happens that I build a few FX pedals, did an overdrive last week and a tremolo as well as a PT2399 delay
Do you guys sub to Christopher Fisher? 'The Blind Woodturner' is his channel name I think. Really interesting stuff!
Love your vids, Clive!
I don't understand much electronics but I enjoy listening to you talking about stuff!
Your dedication to you viewers is very heart warming.
Another prototyping PCB service you could try is ExpressPCB. This company provides its own free cad software (basic but easy to use). This software doesn't generate standard Gerber files so only ExpressPCB can read and make boards from these files.
If you want to design your own boards but don't have a cad program then this service is worth considering.
For the maximum soldering pleasure...
Daniel Olaussen Dual layer for her pleasure
I think I speak for quite a few of your fans in saying we'd love to be able to buy one of those kits. Could be a wee business for you there Clive and to change things up different kits each season i.e a festive themed one for xmas etc. they could be ltd edition too :)
after spending 3 hours teaching my partner to solder last Friday ive now put big clive on her subscribed list as she can learn more
I'm feeling like a lucky punk!
Well, not really but wouldn't it be amazingly fun to receive a kit from my favorite channel? I won't hold my breath. Thanks for your videos Bigclive!
rude words :)
34:41. lol
GIMME DA MEETTA, i hope this works
I hope read this Mehdi Sadaghdar too :D
I could use some pink cable ties on my first electric tree! Thanks for the chance to have this dream come true.
When I was a kid the folding rule used to have both inches and centimeters, but these days they're only metric. Still called "tommestokk", though, which literally translates to "inch-stick".
color changing LEDs , black and red cable connecting to the pcb with lead based solder going through to the resistors and in a moments notice through the blue poundland cable in the right polarities and held in by a very strong and also pink cable tie to the also poundland battery pack that I exploded this month (but there still good). and that guys and girls is how I back tracked the project I would love to build and hope I win thanks BigClive for the the brilliant video
Please sell the board or kit on web site
''Not everyone has a component lead forming tool'' well they should have! just bending and twisting any old way as you ram it in is unacceptable (and bloody painful) lol love it Clive keep up the excellent work :)
Been following for the past year or so Bigclive and your vids are always educational and fun to watch, i've built many items through your knowledge and this video is no exception. I may be trying these sites myself now for some PCBs i have in mind.
Keep up the great work.
Tnettenba.
RicoElectrico The first rule is you must absolutely tell everybody you know about street countdown.......classic!!
bobbybaggers
It's basically regular Countdown, but played on the street.
tin2001 it can get awfully chilly.
quite nice set to get, you should sell them at your page
"rude words, I'm not sure I would really encourage that though"
On a more serious note, I am now using a simple USB powerbank for a project, inspired by you mentioning them as being a simple way to get a stable 5V battery powersupply for projects!
"Legend says the Isle of Man was formed when an Irish giant named Finn McCool threw a chunk of Ireland at some Scottish [redacted]. The chunk missed, landed in the sea, and made the Isle of Man. Then Vikings came and people lived there with Manannán mac Lir who, like, ruled the place."
Where do you get your pink cable ties?
Ebay, Aliexpress, and Dollar Tree should have some. Also Harbor Freight.
do you want to be thrown across the room by pink cabel ties hahaha
Why don't you give that one to your brother and make his day!
The electronics Bob Ross, creating unique beauty with electronics and demonstrating with a soothing voice.
I'd totally purchase this kit to build for myself as a side project from the site if they went up for sale. I really like the look of the tree.
My 10 year old daughter would love one of those.
Sure, it's for your daughter.
Hey Clive where can I pick up a kit? (that is if I don't win)
if he has the pcb on his website, might have to order a set of parts for yourself
Hey Clive, Standard tinning on Chinese PCBs is HASL (non-RoHS). HASL means Hot Air Solder Levelled and non-RoHS means they use leaded solder. This is IMHO absolutely the preferred option (unless you actually need gold) and any other option is usually at additional cost anyway. HTH
my first bigclive moment: I wanted to measure the power consumption of an LED night light, my power meter starts at Amps when powered on, so normally (in my pre-clive era) I murmur something rude and change it to Watts, but now at first I started to think about what the X milliamps meant! and then I changed to Watts because it seems easier when Clive explains it...
Fasinaating. although hospital got me on morphine and anti inlamitories so am barely thinking straight lol
Eric M Get well soon!
Clotted my iv and when that cleared all the drugs that ended up in the iv tube went into in the space of 2 min.
needless to say i apparently turned very white and very fried really quick.
Iam surprised i could actually still type lol
Thanks for the well wishes but sadly the ms isn't going any where although i can think of a few places i like to send it lol.
I don't care what they say about you, you're okay!
Oooh, lovely kit from Uncle Clive how nice! Chuck in a pink USB power lead and you've got a deal 😃
Cool tree. Love your show and led projects.
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BONSAI!
I'm going to have to consider your Patreon at some point as I really enjoy the videos. They have given me the confidence to repair things i might otherwise not have touched, plus know a bit more about what to lookout for with poor built quality.
18:46 "Gradually wear out." Yeah, gradual like a flash flood is gradual. There's a reason I have a whole drawer full of those snips. Half of them look like wire strippers from getting bent out of shape by heavier leads and wire.
gimme a scope and thermal camera, shit, still the wrong channel
I don't understand the referrence. Enlighten me mate
Thermal camera - ElectroBoom
Scope - probably EEVBlog
DarkBabylon, no bc got a scope, too.
@Apicalis Gaming Electroboom Channel
For a no-page-of-options and generally more professional experience (and a very fetching purple solder mask with gold pads), I can't recommend OSH Park highly enough. I get all of my PCBs from them and they're great. Made in the USA, too! (EuroCircuits are apparently good for more local manufacture, but they don't have OSH Park's purple ;))
The only problem with buying anything from the USA is the cost of postage to the UK and then the customs payments VAT etc. can be a real PITA !
I'm pretty sure that OSH Park has free shipping internationally. It takes a couple of weeks to get to the UK, but it's no slower than from China. I've thankfully avoided import fees on my OSH Park orders, though I don't know if I've just been lucky. I've not found that the UK/EU services are sufficiently cheaper for me to give up the purple solder mask :) Plus, I generally etch prototypes at home anyway, so I often have a working board already so the time it takes for the OSH Park board to arrive matters less...
I'll check them out. I generally avoid USA due to the hassle - really annoying when I find something on ebay for a reasonable price and the shipping costs are 3 times the price of the item. Had this when I was looking for an M23 12 pin plug - $9 to purchase shipping $47 !!!
Oh definitely it can be an issue. One nice thing with the US is that USPS has flat-rate international shipping stuff which makes "free international postage" options somewhat more practical. I get the impression that they're much cheaper than Royal Mail would be for UK-to-USA, though I could be wrong. I've ordered from a number of US stores with free or very cheap UK shipping and the only real risk is import fees (or, rather, Royal Mail's £8 flat fee! I don't mind paying VAT and duty, but £8 regardless of the item's value is crazy! DHL charged me £4 VAT on something from China the other week; it would have been £12 with Royal Mail...) OSH Park's staff are super helpful and awesome too, btw :)
Yes i would like one of the kits. About measuring i suspect that the UK is much like Canada, we are officially metric, but we use a combination of both in everyday life.
Hi Clive! Another fun project! We've both been in the E-biz about the same amount of time. I'm always amused to see our soldering techniques being nearly identical, despite learning the skills half a world apart.
I should be sleeping now, but i just enjoy these videos too much.
Dirty PCBs recently started doing custom cables, which could save you some time in future...
Looks like a really fun thing to build. Want to go shopping for the components now, to build my own bonsai. :D
brown and grey wires with green flicker LEDs would make it look more like a tree. but stylish indeed as it is