That's fair. Perhaps that's where the data was from? Or maybe he was just targeting my audience, most of whom are in North America? It's a good point though!
@@DrJeremyGoldberg I think it might be more difficult to go look at (for example) separate eueropean country’s. That’s a lot of complications that brings…
We are now having conversation's that I wish happened 4 decades ago. George after mentioning Erin Pizzey, Steinzmentz, Gelles and Straus did not mention what happened when Warren Farrell started hearing what men were saying and this is the 1980's. David Thomas wrote a fantastic book Not guilty in defence of the Modern Man, only to fall into invisibility. Then Neil Lyndon known as the Heretic wrote "No More Sex War" I have read the 2nd edition. Neil Lyndon wrote about his experiences after his first article was published. As to what is happening to Boys the writing was on the wall, Iron John; Robert Bly 1990, Raising Boys.; Steve Biddulph 1997, The Men’s Room; Toby Green 1999, The war against boys; Christina Hoff Somers 2001, What happening to our boys; Maggie Hamilton 2010, The Boy Crisis; Dave Gray Warren Farrell 2018. I must admit George has really done his research.
Wow, Phillip. Thank you for the wonderful note. I've not heard of some of these books but will definitely be checking them out. I appreciate the insights here and thank you for listening. And I agree, the conversation is long overdue, and has a "better late than never" feel that feels both frustrating and relieving.
@@DrJeremyGoldberg Warren Farrells first book that I read was "Why Men are the Way they are". I was looking for answers and insight, but this was not the book to provide that. It was a real slog to get through that book and in my opinion he hadn't fully formed his argument's and learnt to articulate his points. David Thomas book "Not Guilty" was much easier to read and after that Warren published "The myth of Male Power". Neil Lyndon's book I didn't read until more recently and he wrote about what I already knew. What is perhaps more telling is his article "The return of the Heretic" where he writes about how he ended up being ostracised.
@@DrJeremyGoldberg Two more books the first is "Venus the Parkside" by Mary T Cleary and Roy Sheppard again another book I put off reading. The Rantings of a Single Male: Losing Patience with Feminism, Political Correctness... and Basically Everything Paperback - September 1, 2005 by Thomas Ellis. Thomas comes up with the best definition of the accusation of "Misogyny" How dare you disagree with me!
Something interesting I noticed during this podcast. You both expressed compassion for people who were complaining that not enough men were dying, but absolutely no compassion for Andrew Tate who I will agree isn't a good guy, but still hasn't said anything as indefensible as wishing for the death of people based on their immutable characteristics.
@@DrJeremyGoldbergIf you want to understand the Tate thing better. Know that 90% of what he says isn’t actually original. He’s leaning heavy on stuff that a lot of other people investigated and popularized. Long before he moved from occasional side guest on red pill podcasts to media bogeyman (they made his career btw), he was a minor voice in the scene until the media raised his profile. His talk is basically 30% very basic old conservative traditionalist points, 30% MRA identified discrimination problems (that the whole mano-sphere draws on), 30% Red Pill dating dynamic/pick up stuff and only about 10% playboy blowhard e-strip club owner stuff. All of it wrapped in his personal hyper-confident flare. But if you are wondering how someone like that gets respected at all, on the ideas front, it’s because there was a lot of actual more credible work and ideas that he uses intermixed with his other stuff. It’s not just a matter of dazzling young men with his Bugatti life or just “woman bad”, it’s not that simple.
There is an all party parliamentary group that looks at men's and boys issues in the UK. So hopefully a first step for a Minister for Men and boys.
That's an excellent update.
I would really hope the tin man comes to RUclips more, because I deleted all my social media 10 years ago because I really hate it
He's wonderful. I know he was on Chris Wiliamson's podcast which is on RUclips, so maybe search for that one?
@@DrJeremyGoldberghaha I found out about him through Chris his podcast 😂
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One small criticism, he only used US numbers and it does not only affect the USA
That's fair. Perhaps that's where the data was from? Or maybe he was just targeting my audience, most of whom are in North America? It's a good point though!
@@DrJeremyGoldberg I think it might be more difficult to go look at (for example) separate eueropean country’s. That’s a lot of complications that brings…
We are now having conversation's that I wish happened 4 decades ago. George after mentioning Erin Pizzey, Steinzmentz, Gelles and Straus did not mention what happened when Warren Farrell started hearing what men were saying and this is the 1980's. David Thomas wrote a fantastic book Not guilty in defence of the Modern Man, only to fall into invisibility. Then Neil Lyndon known as the Heretic wrote "No More Sex War" I have read the 2nd edition. Neil Lyndon wrote about his experiences after his first article was published. As to what is happening to Boys the writing was on the wall, Iron John; Robert Bly 1990, Raising Boys.; Steve Biddulph 1997, The Men’s Room; Toby Green 1999, The war against boys; Christina Hoff Somers 2001, What happening to our boys; Maggie Hamilton 2010, The Boy Crisis; Dave Gray Warren Farrell 2018. I must admit George has really done his research.
Wow, Phillip. Thank you for the wonderful note. I've not heard of some of these books but will definitely be checking them out. I appreciate the insights here and thank you for listening. And I agree, the conversation is long overdue, and has a "better late than never" feel that feels both frustrating and relieving.
@@DrJeremyGoldberg Warren Farrells first book that I read was "Why Men are the Way they are". I was looking for answers and insight, but this was not the book to provide that. It was a real slog to get through that book and in my opinion he hadn't fully formed his argument's and learnt to articulate his points. David Thomas book "Not Guilty" was much easier to read and after that Warren published "The myth of Male Power". Neil Lyndon's book I didn't read until more recently and he wrote about what I already knew. What is perhaps more telling is his article "The return of the Heretic" where he writes about how he ended up being ostracised.
@@DrJeremyGoldberg Two more books the first is "Venus the Parkside" by Mary T Cleary and Roy Sheppard again another book I put off reading. The Rantings of a Single Male: Losing Patience with Feminism, Political Correctness... and Basically Everything Paperback - September 1, 2005 by Thomas Ellis. Thomas comes up with the best definition of the accusation of "Misogyny" How dare you disagree with me!
Something interesting I noticed during this podcast. You both expressed compassion for people who were complaining that not enough men were dying, but absolutely no compassion for Andrew Tate who I will agree isn't a good guy, but still hasn't said anything as indefensible as wishing for the death of people based on their immutable characteristics.
Thank you for the thoughtful feedback! That is a great point. I appreciate you pointing this out as I'm always looking for ways to learn/grow.
@@DrJeremyGoldbergIf you want to understand the Tate thing better. Know that 90% of what he says isn’t actually original. He’s leaning heavy on stuff that a lot of other people investigated and popularized. Long before he moved from occasional side guest on red pill podcasts to media bogeyman (they made his career btw), he was a minor voice in the scene until the media raised his profile.
His talk is basically 30% very basic old conservative traditionalist points, 30% MRA identified discrimination problems (that the whole mano-sphere draws on), 30% Red Pill dating dynamic/pick up stuff and only about 10% playboy blowhard e-strip club owner stuff. All of it wrapped in his personal hyper-confident flare.
But if you are wondering how someone like that gets respected at all, on the ideas front, it’s because there was a lot of actual more credible work and ideas that he uses intermixed with his other stuff. It’s not just a matter of dazzling young men with his Bugatti life or just “woman bad”, it’s not that simple.
@@NerdlySquared Thank you for sharing!