The big problem with Prismatic Titan.
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prismatic titan's grenade is pretty strong. i think that's pretty much the only thing people think is actually fun about prismatic titan. really, the main problem comes down to feeling like there's only 1 or 2 total viable setups for prismatic titan and they're both heavily melee driven, with 2 of the 5 aspects, arguably 3, feeling useless in day to day play.
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"nothing to do with shaving on that one... just really trying to find a segway" LOL. nice.
That ad intro had me coughing from how hard I laughed
Do a titan only gm.
Give Titans the Strand Mini Gun super
you should do a video with just ads, it'll be a blast
So many of titans’ aspects in general are based off of melee so whenever melee is discouraged through nerfs or game design, it pretty much hurts Titan viability way more than hunters or warlocks
And the aspects hardly play into the keywords of the subclass. Majority of them are get more melee damage or gain hp regen and if they do it’s not good enough.
Been saying this for over a year. It's not that Titan mains complain about melee being nerfed per se. The issue is, Bungie has pigeonholed Titans into having melee for their main identity and then they penalize you for using a melee! It's annoying! Titans feel the same way about using melee abilities all the time as warlocks feel about being stuck on well. Hope that clears it up for anyone that doesn't run Titan lol
Not Hunters. It doesn’t matter to them lmao.
If only Bungie would stop making utterly stupid AOE blast bosses that punish your existence.
Of all of the classes Titans seems to be the one Bungie struggles with the most. Their kit has just been shoe horned so much into punch all of the things that it's lost any flavor. Banner of war and twilight arsenal were great additions. I think going with more ally buffs would be great additions to the titans tool kit. As it stands, I have largely stopped playing my Titan as it just feels bland.
If consecration wasn’t on prismatic Titan I probably wouldn’t even be using it
Or the strand melee to allow for the multiple uses.
10000% agree. same with knockout too tho. Not having it equipped hurts both my survivability and the potency of my melee(s).
Nope. Replace it with sol invictus. Make any ability kill make sunspots. Done. I would live that more then con
1000% this. And tbh I’ve just been running hunter, I haven’t run it for anything other than pinnacles for 2 years but it’s just so much better I feel stupid not.
Because it’s the only decent thing you can build around with titan
I’m loving the ad jumpscares. Nice quiet video discussing Titan’s gameplay loop then YOU KNOW WHAT’S HARD TO REPLACE? YOUR BALLS
It not that deep
@@omensoffate Unlike me in your mom
@@omensoffate calling this comment deep is like being mad at a puddle you stepped in as if it soaked your pants
be careful for the torsion y'all
Thanks for the heads up
titans are supposed to be the bulwark, the frontlines, the tank
bungie boiled that down to close range, melee
that ontop of the sandbox punishing anyone who gets into melee range on higher difficulties results in where we're at now
it's not as much of a problem on solar and strand since they have sustain, but prismatic really just highlights the overall design issues with titan subclasses as a whole
if you don't have constant DR and healing, the subclass just isn't very good at high levels of play
Exactly. It’s surprising how backwards their thought process is. Whichever team is designing the titan kit at Bungie should try running around meleeing things in a GM. How do these ideas pass through play-tests. 🤷🏻♂️
finally someone spittin facts close range melee tank is the only playstyle that titans have and like thats fine for one class just how arc hunter is a melee only class like every aspect is just to affect melee, UNLIKE titans other classes do something different, but lets look at titan builds history,
void 3.0 shoulder charge bubble to 1 shot bosses,
solar 3.0 hammer infinite healing,
arc 3.0 storm grenades (something different for once, but it released op as hell and bungie nerfed it into a point that people dont bother using, and usually only use that class for thunderclap and cuirass aka melee)
stasis? ppl only use stasis for diamond lance which technically is a throw melee? well it is a different class for sure but it underperforms compared to other classes so no one uses it,
strand? released as melee class focused on suspending enemies, ended as melee class with unlimited healing and damage out of the ass so much so no one bothered to even use other things
prismatic is also a melee class your best option is consecration spam
this is the problem with titans its not that melee is bad or not their identity its that every class does and thats the only thing they do
while arc hunter is a pure melee class
then theres solar which is focused on guns throwing knives and aoe damage
void is focused on crowd control and debuffing
stasis is (well its just like titan it underperforms and theres nothing it does that stasis lock doesnt do better)
strand is also crowd control but more focused on movement instead of debuffing like void
and prismatic just combines each class like you can have melee part of arc with strand movement or solar aoe combined with invis and so on this is why its well designed and titan isnt
its fine to have certain aspects limited i dont think titan should get sunspots on prismatic or banner of war, but instead the aspects that are already there should do more like unbreakable should provide a whole playstyle centered around it but it feels like its just an add on to your build you just use it then wait for grenade to regen (btw hunter ascension is just like that and it sucks all it does is jolt enemies and makes you amplified, which is useless kill 2 things with a melee and you already is amplified i feel like they only added it as a pvp movement tool)
@@Kazuhira2249 so basically titan prismatic should stay weak got it
Its a shame that the hunker playstyle got nerfed early doors, but we kept the clunky wall that barely even protects you, and often times isnt used as a survival tool, but instead a revival tool. Rally is still shockingly bad after 7 years after its full on decimation. and every super is melee focused, even this new one has a portion thats melee focuses. Like give us additional ways to play the game that isnt ungabunga punch smash.
Consecration slaps even from a distance. Have you not tried Spirit of Contact and Sprit of Inmost it slaps in the GM?
My main problem with the titan kit right now is that bungie seemly wants it it be THE melee class but cant seem to figure out how to tune it without it either being able to one shot raid bosses or just being a wet fart. Its especially frustrating because prismatic hunter is eating so good with the liars caliban or liars renewal class item, so much so that titan melee build s just feel obsolete
It’s by design and has been for a while, remember the comments about twilight garrison? They refuse to bring it back because it would steal from the warlocks kit even though that mechanic was originally a titan mechanic!
They should just greatly increase melee damage against minors and majors. Maybe even against mini bosses as well
The answer is so easy too - boss damage caps
The Titan melee's are still good. Knockout and Consecration are good aspects. Pair that with Spirit of Inmost and Spirit of Contact and it cooks (Knockout uncharged melees proc Sprit of Inmost). We really went from Strand Titans (which is still good) to suddenly acting as if Titan is unusable.
@teebin titan is genuinely eating so well right now. Consecration build is extremely powerful in all content. Rocket chest is the coolest exotic bungie has ever made. Thruster on a non-arc subclass. The coolest super ever made in twilight arsenal. I basically only touch hunter and warlock rn for looted clears of se and the rotator and spend all my time playing armored core titan rn.
Bungie: “Titans are the melee class!”
Titans: *Uses potent melee builds*
Bungie: “Not like that! ):
Bungie: "Titans are the melee class"
Also Bungie: Gives Hunters the ability to increase their melee damage through their melee ability, but makes Titans use an Aspect to do it.
They news to give us back one two punch peregrine greaves shoulder charge that was a fun time
@@CrayonConsumerLXIX That would just be a bandaid. Titan needs a deep look into it's main fantasy, if not a whole head to toe re-work. Not just giving back 1 hyper-op combo because it was fun.
At least having Roaring Flames, Offensive Bulwark or Knockout empowered melees count as power melees is cool.
Oh wait, that got nerfed as well...
@@constantine7249that was one of the worst nerfs bungie ever made and was so dumb, especially because when roaring flames shipped with solar 3.0 it originally did not make your normal melees into powered melees and bungie said that was a literal bug and fixed it, allowing for the interaction to work
I think the biggest problem with prismatic titan (at least in the middle game boss dps is mostly due to lacking useful supers) is what i like to call "the loop" warlock have the devour "loop", hunters have the stylish executioner "loop," titans have... knockout? Really? That's it? There's no loop there. It doesn't feed back into itself. You use your melee, and then it goes back on cooldown again, and you have to wait. Meanwhile, the warlocks are spamming bleakwatcher turrets with devour active, and the hunters are punching everything that moves while invisible. There IS senergy there, but the name of the game is uptime, and titans just dont have it.
The loop is there people just don't play it. It seems that most folks forget that every punch is empowered when you have knockout going. But randomly spamming the punch button on every enemy is asking to get yourself killed lol
The titan loop is more diamond lances from what I see. Everything feeds into it and diamond lances are strong just not, strong and generally stasis does better AND stasis has better support thru stasis shards
Exactly, the only thing titans have is melee and there are hardly any busted builds you can run to have up the charge most of the time.
@CleopatraKing diamond lance needs to spawn off of subclass verb kills/kills on subclass verb affected targets. Stylish executioner does that, and has an 11x more potent buff.
You can use skullfort but if you miss or someone takes that one kill you are basically dead in the water
I wish so hard we got Into the Fray instead of Drengrs Lash as the supercharged aspect for Prismatic Titan. Give it the Diamond Lance treatment and make any ability kills spawn Tangles. Really gives the Identity of being crazy tanky to the Prismatic Titan bc they could easily stack Woven Mail and other forms of resistance.
Prismatic Titan is mostly only ad clear. That's my pris Titan build.
Titans can't deal with long-range, and our only good kit always gets nerfed to shit.
At most we only have void axes for range -
But then you go to pick up the axes left behind and get fucked because Titans jave to be close range yet every boss and enemy completely destroys you in close range no matter what
Try out the new chest exotic hazardous propulsion. Been working great on witness with a cloudstrike and an arc rocket. But yeah, wish we had more options like the other two classes do.
And at that point i can just use strand and do everything better
@@gameguy654 that one piece of armor is hard carrying prismatic lol. I legitimately dont want to use that class and pretty much ONLY do it so i can get the thruster and not play arc titan because duh
@@gameguy654 If only we had more exotics like it
This feels like it’s the culmination of Bungie design philosophy for Titan biting them in the butt. Titans have relegated to just being the melee/tanky class even when Stasis and Strand were introduced Titan still retained a melee centric style while Hunters and Warlock got something unique while retaining to their respective designs.
Now you have the ultimate subclass with slightly limitless possibilities and Titan still remains as the punch class
The biggest problem with prismatic titan is the aspect choices and the exotic class item exotic perk choices, the exotics they choose are so terrible that the only real thing you need is inmost synto. (Make baby hammer come back when you press the melee button and put it in prismatic)
Exactly. Those are the only two good exotics on Titan. All the other Titan exotics are subpar in terms of usability.
Contact isn’t good? Star eaters? Assassins cowl?
I feel like this just proves that titans are in fact crayon munchers and only use things told to them by content creators. I saw video of titan bad, it true.
@@theguardianwolf7206 The problem is Titans need Inmost Light on Stoicism since their prismatic toolbox doesn't include devour (grenade regen) or gambler's dodge (melee regen) which feed to ability loops.
As Spirit of Inmost Light is the first slot, you cannot run Assassin's cowl for invisible. Star Eaters is mid for Titans since it takes forever to launch 3 axes compared to a Nova Bomb. So your DPS isn't good for a nuke (Celestial GG / Nova Bomb) and you still deal less damage than a Star Eaters Nova Bomb lock (highest damage nuke in the game), although admittedly twilight is better in PVP for multiple kills as long you don't get shot while locked in the air.
That leaves Contact, which allows your Consecration to stun overloads or Synthoceps for general melee damage. So there isn't much choice.
Though I supposed you can make Scars / Armament work too.
@@theguardianwolf7206 contact sucks, star eater has 1 useful super that takes a year to cast and cowl is not as useful in titan
I feel like Into the Fray would be a great addition over Drengrs. It would fit the whole melee theme with the bonus regen on woven mail, giving you and your team huge buffs with woven mail, and give tangles ANY reason to exist on prismatic outside of a way to proc threaded blast for this episode exclusively Edit: plus it doesnt really have any "strand identity". It's a strong aspect, but it doesn't make a build on its own for strand, similar to how they picked the other aspects.
True, out of all the strand aspects they could have used, they chose the most useless one. Abeyant Leap on the exotic class item doesn't give woven mail on suspend despite the icon literally being a chestplate. Sure you could use regular Abeyant Leap but then why not just use it on strand where it would be way more useful
Banner of war/into the fray with consecration will be great
When I saw it was damn drengrs on the prismatic that was the moment I decided to switch to warlock for the moment. Drengrs is just laughably unfun to me, I knew not to expect banner but drengrs totally killed it for me. Yay i get to press a button and suspend a guy for 2 seconds before waiting 30 to do it again. Doesn't even synergize with the thruster dodge in any useful way
@@Calebe428that’s what i love about bungie. with titans it’s either nerf too hard or buff too much. i have no idea how there isn’t a middle ground but good god.
@IzanamisBurden honestly the only reason i use abeyant on prismatic is for the prismatic grenade. The only good thing about titan
Bungie developers treat Titans like tanks, but they see tanks as battering rams and completely ignore the giant gun on top.
Hazardous Propulsion is what the Titan kit should have focused into instead of different coloured ways to punch something. Remember Ranger and Colossus from Anthem? Artillery, cannons, miniguns, flamethrowers, rocket salvos, just HEAVY WEAPONS.
I'll even give you a lore reason. Sunbreakers learn to use their hammers not just as weapons but more like they're originally invented for, to BUILD. So they start making all the weapons listed above and then some.
I think a really good way to describe the issue comes around 9:30 where datto says that all the titan prismatics builds are just the same builds we use with the other classes… but weaker, giving zero incentive to use the build on prismatic vs using the normal build
I don’t know if that’s the take, synthos titan dominated melee builds for at least 4 years straight. Which also included glaive and sword builds. Putting combination blow way behind titan melee builds. I think they nerfed way too many titan exotics. Synthos didn’t really need to be touched so but for some reason they don’t like when titans do absurd melee damage. Bonk hammer also didn’t really need touching the build was funny as heck and powerful.
@@royalminnis9855 very true!
Ever since picking titan in D1 I've wanted them to be the heavy weapons/bullet storm with ARs and MGs class. I really want the devs to lean into that either in a new class or with options in the existing ones. Give Actium a giga buff with a damage perk and orb generation for rapid fire weapons too.
Actium should grant Target Lock to auto rifles and machine guns when equipped.
I agree that Actium needs a buff, but speaking personally, nothing is more boring in damage metas than "stand in well and shoot your heavy" and machine guns require that in a way other archetypes simply don't. (LFRs to some extent also.)
What I'd really like for Titan DPS, aside from maybe revitalized supers, is some way to pair Hazardous Propulsion together with strong Thruster regeneration on Arc or Prismatic, so that you could get more of those off per DPS phase than you currently can.
I love being a bullet sunami, but I get it being boring for a raid or dps scenario. Hazardous is rad, giving it more synergy would be amazing!
Technically, I think Titans might have access to some of the most exciting endgame DPS options right now (Still Hunt Celestial hunters excluded), given that you can roll Spirit of Star-Eaters and Spirit of Eternal Warrior onto one class item, allowing for a beefed up super like Twilight Arsenal that then transitions smoothly into massive dps on an aligning heavy like Edge Transit. (plus Hazardous Propulsion exists for all of the rocket lovers out there)
Another thing that's annoying about the class item, not only is half of it melee centric, the other half is Barricade centric. Not Thruster, Barricade specifically. And those two things clash, because you got to be slightly less aggressive and further away for the class item stuff, which is just enough to where you can't really juggle your melee and Barricade perks well.
super weird seeing something like kephris added for it to not work with thruster at all
@@CatWithThumb True! Imagine if it made you shove things forward in a wave of fire, or created a ring around you kinda like what Bungie did to Drengr's Leash. Hope that's the kind of stuff they're looking into atm, it's a nice start
I think it's kinda funny that when a titan is meta, its mostly uninended. Banner of war with grapple punch, storm nades, launch Lorely, and abeyant leap (more of suspend in general, but titan has the best access to it).
and then bungie "fixes" it and it becomes trash lol, or atleast just decent meanwhile hunters are nuking bosses for free
@Calebe428 you'd think they'd have learned their lesson with strand titan. No clue why they thought stylish should be able to get max multiplier on grapple
It's because the only way titans are meta in PvE is with melee 1-2 punch shenanigans, and not because they have utility or uptime. The exception was touch of thunder inmost light, but aside from that, it's always big punch dps, which doesnt work in a lot of places BY DESIGN
@@deklinmorrissey8123 to be fair getting stylish on grapple isnt exactly consistent. using grapple takes you out of invis, so youd need to invis as you start the grapple. the only way that build works in the damage share from tether but thatll quickly kill your syntho uptime
@CatWithThumb yep, you're right. It might be exploited like strand titan though. Not likely to be used by anyone not going to the utmost optimal
Prismatic is supposed to have unique interactions between underused/weak aspects and exotics that lead to synergies in builds that otherwise wouldn't be possible (ex: getaway artist + helion + bleak watcher). Prismatic Titan doesn't have any synergy between the chosen options. Any synergies they would have gotten were preemptively reworked/nerfed (ex: thruster + drengr's) or are just worse than playing the regular subclasses.
Not to mention the clear balancing bias when it comes to the chosen aspects for each class. Each prismatic class has an aspect with 2 fragment slots which can be assumed to be the strongest aspect out of the options. I don't know how a dev thought devour was on the same level of a nerfed knockout.
Yeah feed the void giving devour on ability kills that gives a full heal, grenade energy, and has a timer that can be refreshed giving the same benefits on every kill really shows how bad knockout is.
On top of that I get that prismatic is about buff stacking and using elemental pickups to gain ability energy. But it needs something that gives ability energy since subclass verbs just aren't enough on their own with strand tangles being the biggest offender being kinda useless outside of strand subclasses.
Hunter still has the same kinda problem outside of combination blow there isn't much to build into but stylish executioner is still a great aspect with great synergy with the prismatic subclass.
Knockout wasn't nerfed though? I won't argue that it's as powerful as Devour by any means, but it was absolutely buffed.
@@cryw1092Melee buff doubled, cool not really noticeable unless you’re using consecration or thunderclap. Reworking health regen for a chunk sounds nice until you realize a melee kill on a champ only gives about half a bar of health in itself which in endgame ain’t gonna help much.
The very least they could do is add Melee energy on melee kills and/or debuffed targets.
@@Dumlandthere is more stuff you can build into. I don’t understand this concept of everyone obsessing over melee builds. At what point does become just plane meta following and lack of creation. Not denying titans lacking, but Jesus man it’s like entire D2 community is fixated on melee builds right now
my thought exactly. when i saw titans aspect i was like alright, titan team thought; lets bring in stuff that is underused from other sub clases so it gets a bit more love. while warlock team had a clear vision that they wanted prismatic warlock to be the "helping buddy generator" even the speaker exotic is healing turret one. ON THE OTHER HAND hunter team went: lets bring all the best stuff from all the other sub classes that we have over here. bring the stasis slow. bring tethers. bring invisibility. bring COMBINATION BLOW. solar? bring golden gun of course. and lets put another golden gun on a GUN
Encounters don't want us to be in melee. Name a boss that won't rip your health bar in half and knock ya back 20 feet that is also NOT flying or floating outside the map. If they want Titan to be a Punch Merchant, they need rewarded in all encounters for it. Any other class who could build melee has four other options. Titans don't have other options. We punch. I've been grumbling that when we hit damage phase on half these bosses, it isn't WORTH it for me to super. Either it gets me killed to the architects or I spend a third of the meter chasing the fucker down and I coulda used that time to apex rocket spam and if my best Boss DPS in half of these encounters could be done by a Redjack holding my guns, then I think there's an issue. Before someone says it, I know Pyrogale does great damage. I know Thundercrash does great damage. (Half because they are fire and forget supers) But there are fights that you CAN'T do that. Not that it isn't metah. That doing that will at best result in no damage or at worst, get you killed. (See Pyrogale missing damage because of a 6 inch lip you missed.) They build bosses to punish you for assuming you're safe, and they treat the melee Titan like a flatfooted Warlock. You get booped, you lose damage, you might still die. Everyone else is 80% of the time, safely away throwing their damage at range and keeping a lookout for attacks and using cover.
bungie bad design flaw. im now convinced the only titan mains in their office is the janitor.
Titan just feels very monotonous when I look at my saved loadouts on titan all of them are melee based and it was that that eventually got me to swap over to warlock after so long. Where with each warlock build I can specialize into something else playing titan it's just melee over and over again with the strongest options being the strongest because it's the only thing that can keep u alive in melee range even in high end content.
@Dumland this is pretty much how I feel too. I'm a titan main but man since final shape, I have started playing my warlock and I have so much more fun and control over in game situations.
TDT posted a video on this topic today as well that goes into some much deeper problems that the Titam class has as a whole, well beyond just Prismatic and affecting every Titan subclass. In a nutshell, both Hunters and Warlocks can do certain things that Titan's simply can't, and nearly everything that a Titan can do, a Hunter or Warlock can do more efficiently and effectively. The video is a great watch in combination with this one.
What hurts even worse is that offensive bullwark and Fray are right there.
Imagine "having Amplified, overshield, restoration, frost armor, or woven mail grants increased grenade cooldown and increased melee damage"
It would have been a TANK build on the TANK class.
I think Titans getting new void abilities shot us in the foot. Unbreakable replaced some amazing options, and I'll give the new super credit, but void was really our only super utility option aside from maul stuns on certain spots.
So now every super we have is just damage.
yeah im floored that Bungie thought Consecration belonged on this kit, or even Drengr's. Offensive Bulwark and Into the Fray were exactly what I thought we were going to get. Bulwark especially might have been super interesting with Unbreakable, since it gives you a void shield for the effect, is coded as a grenade, and lets you close distance for a Frenzied Blade combo/Thunderclap. This would also solve the horrendous cooldown problems since running either of those aspects would boost recharge rates.
And tbf our super dmg isn't something to write home about either considering thundercrash doesn't even kill a champ and need cuirass to be good , hammer of sol is meh at best , behemoth works in very niche situation leaving us with bladefury and twilight arsenal and considering how roaming supers aren't really a good choice in high level content realistically we only have twilight arsenal . This is when i am not even considering the the new warlock super casually does 2 mil dmg and storms edge actually puts out high dmg with a reliable way of getting close to enemies without getting killed . They either need to buff the supers / swap em out or completely rework them and me personally am open to all of them .
@@arnavsingh9833 Storm´s Edge does like 5% more damage than Twilight Arsenal without using any of the axes left behind and Twilight will weaken the target for all you mates and you dont have to be in melee to use it. Storm´s Edge is not a good super.
@@netternachbar6260 in a actual dmg phase you are probably never going to use axes unless it's crota and you can easily weaken targets with almost any void grenade plus more dmg is more dmg . My point wasn't that twilight arsenal is inferior infact it's probably my favourite super currently and with surges and the artifact mod it's top 5 dmg supers my point was that it's realistically our only option while hunters and warlocks have a lot to choose from especially hunters who get golden gun the best dmg super in game .
@@arnavsingh9833 Storm´s Edge isn´t one of these choices though, ironically it suffers alot of the same problems Titan supers have, since you have to be close to do damage so alot of targets are either unreachable or only take some of the damage.
I think it's worth noting that all 5 aspects require being in the fray, but there's no into the fray defense. Even diamond lance requires you to go pick it up.
I feel like diamond lance should just spawn, take a second to lock on a target and be sent on a ballistic trajectory to a target as a form of ice flare bolts for titan but different
It's Nerf, or nothing
In Titan’s case, it’s Nerf
@@the1theonlyg248 unfortunately 😢😢
In Titan's case with Bungo: It's nerf AND nothing.
@@Guile_The_Exile yep, that’s destiny for you
And oh boy, what a nerf thats gonna be
Can we do anything else? Titans do need to be reevaluated the build craft is minimal co.paried to the other 2 classes.
I feel that all build crafting is shallow and boring in the game. Get 1 exotic that you like, get 3 T10 resilience, recovery and dis, pop on mods that give you orbs, reduce your damage taken and a way to spend orbs. aka damage buff singe. Then pick a random super, pick 2 out of the 4 options that actually change up the playstyle, of which barely 3 are playable, and 2 are often the best choices with 1 being THE pick to sort out your build and then go ham.
Oh whats my build? Ah the dodge spam, melee punch build, how do you make it? Ah well the punch that refreshes my ability, and the ability that refreshes my punch, yes the aspect I choice instantly freezes everyone around me and my mods just give me additional survivability...Oh whats my build? Well its the same but I put on Still Hunt, put on some orb creation and solar singe and now I can nearly 1 shot all mini bosses.
Like come on, this build crafting is boring and ass, and per build hardly changes anything at all. In fact most Prismatic titan builds use the first 4 beginning fragments
@@scotttimbrell8632 yeah bungie needs to introduce so many new armor mods into the game
hell, they could even just add the old ones and change them a little. just don't make me check ada every 12 seconds for mods ever again
please... don't ever make me have to check ada for mods ever again, that is one of the main things i hated back then
As a Titan main we’ve always been the inferior subclass. Except season 13 with that HoIL storm grenade setup.
@@burntout9815 those were the days.
*Titans should be the TANK class. Not the MELEE class.*
The identity which Bungie has given to Titans is the “punch everything” class, but that’s not what was originally intended. The Titan insignia, for example, is a symbol of them being the metaphorical “wall” that defends the six fronts of the City.
Previously, Synthoceps/glaive melee/One-Two Punch builds were top of the meta, but these were overpowered and subsequently nerfed. These were fair nerfs, in my opinion. But where does this leave the Titans? Today, melee builds are generally lackluster or dangerous (to the user) in high-end content. Because Titans can rarely punch bosses, and because doing so to a champ is a death sentence, the utility of the Titan is questionable at best. Thus, the identity crisis of Titans.
Ditch the melee-focused identity in favor of the tank. Titans should be the frontline of defense, the wall that enemies must overcome. *Suppressive fire, area-denial, damage resist, extreme firepower* all fit this criteria. Bungie could get creative with it!
Edit: Yes, I know Stronghold and Ursa Furiosa exist, but these tackle one niche of the “tank” identity. Let’s see more adjacent to these.
What are some ideas that you have to implement the tank identity?
@@ImmaculateOtter Bungie could expand on some of those concept supers with strand. That flamethrower looking super for titan would be super cool. Let the "flames" linger for an extended duration on surfaces for area denial, add some damage resist/woven mail. Granted, I'm no titan main, so I have no in depth idea as to how something like that would play out but Titans are supposed to be the pillars, the very *foundation* of hope and safety that the people of the Destiny world look to. They need to be strong, intimidating, and aggressive as well whether they be defending or going on the offensive.
Another problem is that ever since the Double Ursa meta for GMs in no longer a thing there is nowhere in the game a tank is needed and otherwise Hunters and Warlocks are no worse if not better at at damage resistance then Titans are at times.
I see this argument a lot and don't understand it. If you rework Titan to be even more defense-oriented than it already is, it'll be entirely useless, because there are basically no situations in PVE where that's more useful than just having more firepower. Ward of Dawn is bad because there's never a situation where it helps you stay alive better than killing stuff faster does--in fact, it makes you actively worse at killing stuff by blocking shots. Towering Barricade is worse than Rally for the same reasons. Unbreakable isn't bad because it's undertuned, it's bad because there's no point in sitting there blocking damage when you could be killing stuff. Glaives sacrifice offensive power for a shield and they're incredibly unpopular (I'll defend them because they're weapons, so easier to slot in without negatively affecting offensive throughput, but it's hard to call them outright good.) One of the longstanding problems with Stasis is how much worse it is at Just Killing Stuff than the light 3.0 subclasses are. Et cetera.
And if they DID somehow design an encounter where things like Ward of Dawn were necessary, congratulations, you've just created an even worse lock-and-key problem than the original Champions were.
@@ImmaculateOtter Behemoth is already a good start. Glacier grenades are probably my favorite in the whole game purely because of their utility as either Minigame Grenades (I Just throw and then pop a Wave Frame shot in front of it and watch the area shatter) or as emergency cover when things get rough.
Solar is already close as well, if they buffed Sunspots or made them more interesting to make, Solar Titan could be a monster of an Area Denial + Survival build.
my only issue with prismatic how it is besides consecration with the strand melee combo is it seems like everything is just better on the standard subclasses
Problem is the other options are straight up trash. Shield throw for example, trash damage, no energy refunded, thunderclap, too risky, supers, pale in comparison to celestial hunter… etc…
Another issue with prismatic Titan- Unbreakable: all of the grenades prismatic Titan has available are either the longest or 2nd longest grenades. If we had ONE short recharge grenade it would be more viable but the base cooldown is far too long without any good way to refresh it.
Still unbreakable might be the worst thing ive used in the game, very sub par damage for very sub par defence duration
Make unbreakable damage a buff to the next grenade thrown and give it a general elemental debuff based on the type
Look, the one thing I don't see a lot of people talking about is the Titan Prismatic grenade. Bungie, swap it to a Magnetic Grenade-type grenade. The Warlock and Hunter grenades stick to enemies (the Warlock one kinda sticks). My Titan's grenade bounces off big targets that fly and completely misses. Swap it to a Magnetic Grenade, let it suspend on contact then an Suspending explosion on the first explosion and a Jolting explosion on the second explosion.
Ya, I hate that thing, feels so hard to actually use successfully
The only grenade that sticks is the Hunter grenade. It’s designed as a wall grenade to begin with and the damage you do is very little compared to when you have it damaging an enemy from wall placement. The Titan grenade is fine. I love the ad control, jolt, and suspend. The Titan grenade does fall short on Flying enemy types like the Eye Blight Monster Boss you get from doing Overthrow in The Blooming but it’s not a super big deal. As for the Titan grenade you can shift the direction you want the grenade to go to by bouncing on floor, map decor or walls. Magnetic grenades sometimes miss and don’t track properly. That would actually nerf the grenade.
I love the Titan prismatic grenade lol you can take the hunter spike nade I'll trade you
@@RogueAero I don't want the Spike Grenade. I want a Magnetic Grenade. It'll work the same way it does now. It wouldn't just let us stick it to bosses.
@@kote7su Are you saying the Warlock grenade doesn't stick, because I'm pretty sure it does.
Also, the Hunter grenade does the most damage so I'm not sure what you're on about.
Edit: I understand now what you mean. No, the Warlock grenade doesn't stick as in it doesn't travel with the target once it makes contact, but it does detonate on contact and as long as the target isn't mobile, that's good damage.
IMO giving prismatic titans controlled demolition and flachette storm instead of unbreakable and drengrs would go a loooong way, it would actually give a darkness and long range alternative to consacration, so we can hit things that are far away or flying, controlled demolition would give titans more survivability when killing things or procking volatile on a boss (actually good synergies with void weapons there) and its would make some crazy dmg combos, imagine running pulse nades with controlled demolition and the fragment that makes arc nades jolt targets, basically contantly procking jolt and volatile or flashette storm procking unravel and volatile. Hunter gets to go invis on anything and warlocks get to heal off of killing with anything, we need out void passive too
As a warlock, the way I’ve always seen titans is as stalwart shields-men; sword in one hand shield in the other. With a brutish and destructive capability. They had honorable mysticism about them, like warlocks are inscrutable and mystical, or hunters compassionate, daring survivalists. But I feel the fantasy has separated from gameplay, mostly for titan. It suck’s seeing them basically crayon eating punchers. Especially when the game kinda doesn’t handle cqc well.
We did the master Salvation's Edge challenge today. I started on prismatic but after a while switched to strand because survivability and melee regen are much higher than on prismatic.
Also its crazy how many benifits combination blow gives: stacking damage buff (up to 300%), hp back, start health regeneration , full class ability back.
For titan you have to use at least an aspect + exotic to get the same effect.
Bro Titans can’t get anywhere close to that self contained loop.
I’d like unbreakable to last longer when used, do more damage and grant grenade energy based on damage blocked with maxing out the meter fully refunding it. I want to see all the barricade abilities on the class item work somewhat with thruster. I want to see more ways for the fragments to tie back into Titan aspects more and for the aspects to interact with one another more. It’s not unfun, just overshadowed and generally frustrating in comparison to warlock or hunter prismatic in higher tier activities.
it just needs to be good LOL
Who would punch harder with prismatic?
A beefy boy with big shoulder pads and known to punch or a speedy boy with knives on their hands.
Hunter's are slowly just becoming titans with capes it seems.
Beefy boi does. Hunter's punch only works on very specific bosses with very specific set up. In literally any other content consecration just does the job better. Would you rather hit an entire ad wave for 100k, fill both meters, and refund your melee energy? Or slowly dodge and punch singleton enemies with a slowly ramping buff that you often struggle to get kill credit for in group play?
@@ChuuniKaede shhh it's their turn to pretend Bungie's got it out for them, hunters will get their turn in a couple episodes, trust
@@ChuuniKaedeI'd rather play Hunter tbh.
When playing solo legendary, I was one tapping everything while completely invisible, gaining health, gaining armor on top of that as every melee kill gave me an orb, completely wiping the floor with everything. It just has way better survivability and uptime from my experience of playing all 3 classes.
Sure might be better with focusing on the bosses but still I'm dancing around fucking up everything and then punching the boss every so often who's frozen dealing some pretty good numbers. Comes down to personal opinion sure but I prefer hunters kit don't get me started on the strand duplicates that's also nutty.
@@ChuuniKaedewe can tell you don't play titan just from that comment alone 😂
ive tried and theory-crafted a way to make unbreakable work on prismatic but i just cant find it. of the only 4 fragments dealing with grenades on prism, not a single one deals with recharge. In addition, any aspect pairing with unbreakable makes 0 sense. Any frozen or suspended target (diamond and drengr) cannnot physically hit you and thus cannot increase the damage of the blast. consecration and knockout are all melees. all this combined with the fact that you cannot consume the prismatic grenade while transcendant? there is quite literally 0 synergy to be had which is a damn shame because it is very fun to use. I would love to see it stay on prism but swap out something else to increase its synergy. thank you for coming to my ted talk
in a similar vein, it feels super weird that another grenade replacement (gunpowder gamble) on hunter just doesn't exist while transcendent. why have something I actively want to use and build around just get taken away from me when I start cycling the subclasses focus properly. the more well optimised I play to maximise transcendent uptime the less I get to use the aspect I chose
@@CatWithThumbI agree, im one of the few gpg users. I think this was a deliberate choice made for the same reason they stopped debuffs from being on the right hand side of the screen, for ease of understanding. Hopefully im wrong and it’s just an oversight.
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I haven’t read any comment like this anywhere so I’m going to put it out there: I think there is an element of certain aspects being so good that it is these aspects being available that make or break prismatic.
Here is what I mean. Take warlocks as an example. It is not that their stasis kit is amazing. It is bleak watchers that are. If you remove bleak watchers from their kit, their level of being able to freeze becomes comparable to that of titans and hunters. However, bleak watcher as an aspect is so potent that you can sort of abandon the stasis class entirely while having it without many consequences.
In this sense prismatic works as a bonus for warlocks, as it allows them to unleash the strongest (and also the most boring!) of their stasis aspect.
(In fact bleak watchers are so potent that you could give warlocks just that and nothing else and they would still be fine…)
A similar thing happens with the arc kit for hunters, which really just depends on the loop of combination blow + dodge. Again, prismatic comes as a bonus, since the rest of the arc kit is not really essential.
Similarly, hunter invisibility is comparable to bleak watchers in potency. Once you give it to prismatic, you made the class very potent by doing that alone.
With titans, I think there is less of that. Overshields do not compare to invisibility. Banner is the aspect I can maybe think of, but it was left out. Same with the aspect that generates sunspots.
I remember when we were all like aww dammit 5th subclass is just green first of havoc but it ended up being pretty good. Still wish we had a stasis or strand machine gun super but the new super is awesome with star eaters so its a start!
Titan is the epitome of “Live and die by the sword”
at this point its moreso just dying
I miss when Titans were the soldier class. Give us an aspect similar to knock em down that rewards weapon slaying. More viable grenade builds.
As someone who's been doing the Legendary story atm on Titan in my first run, being forced to run prism SUCKS a LOT and the struggle is so real. Encounters that I know id crush with ANY of my other class choices im struggling with cause survival is NON-EXISTENT on prism. To top it off, missing basically any viable options off the bat too? This sucks man. The nerfs didn't stop since Beyond Light and anyone who was oaying attention knows that. Ots just FINALLY after a fuckin 2 long years is coming to head... I can't wait for them to barely change much and still leave Titans with just being able to punch in 5 flavors...
FYI you don't need to run prismatic on the campaign, all the parts with transcendent resistant enemies can be done on other subclasses just slightly more annoying to do
I did the entire legendary campaign on Solar Warlock. You don't need to use Prismatic.
I did the whole campaign on prismatic aswell and then my m8 messaged me the next day "man I'm so glad we didn't have to run prismatic during the campaign or I would have given up" 😂
It's a shame that the campaign built off of prismatic is not optimized for PRISMATIC.
Maybe cause titan was my 2nd run but I actually beat it on legendary in half the time than my warlock, falling star either one shot or took a significant chunk out of bosses and the abundance of transcend options allowed to me to spam abilities that generated orbs, even the final fight didn't take as long though it was just as annoying strand subjugators can eat my ass with their primary attack dealing one shot capable damage compared to literally every other boss in the story aside from tormentor finishers
Came here fast as FUCK boi for some pro-titan content and the transition into the balls content has tripped up the gerbil in my head.
Lmfaoo this legit made me laugh. Also HELL YEAH Titan CONTENT IS ALWAYS WELCOMED.
I'm so glad multiple content creators are mentioning this. I was getting so frustrated with Prismatic in general--even more so with Titan. I really hope Bungie fixes it soon.
its melee or nothing, then when Titans make a good melee build it gets nerfed 😭
I never minded being the "melee class", but if they want to pinhole me into that playstyle they better not keep nerfing it
The blast from the Unbreakable shield needs either a damage buff or a debuff application, and afterward should give increased grenade regeneration based on the amount of damage absorbed.
So I've been a Titan main since D1 and there has always been a lack of care for the class as a whole. Some nerfs that affected utility like the shoulder charge nerf expending energy or the lack of any movement utility makes the class hard to play. My favorite thing in D1 was the ability to Titan skate, it gave a power fantasy of a fast, hard hitting tank. You had a factor of aggression that no other class could match. But now not only are we the slowest class but we don't have any way to close the gap. Ward of Dawn nerf made no sense, it wasn't even utilized to even warrant that change. Overall I think they have to redefine what the class means. Preferably some more movement abilities and a super that isn't in your face. We have no utility outside of CQC. And if that's the direction we're going with, then make a way for us to get in and out quickly. Just my two cents.
I would have loved to seen prismatic titan get fusion nades and the mark can roll ashen wakes, ashen wakes with armamentarium would be so fun
Or even Spirit of Verity and Spirit of Armamentarium being in different slots. The best you can get is HOIL and then one of those 2 for a grenade build.
The sentiment is much older than Salvations Edge. Where did we unironically use Titan in Pantheon, except Atraks? Bubble has been useless for years. Cuirass was the only saving grace and has been powercrept - if you can actually hit the boss because why would Bungie want to fix that..
The only time recently where I've appreciated a defensive role on a team was during the Excision GM, two Ursas were amazing there. Otherwise I don't really see defensive titans anywhere.
yesss that was me in my run. i miss running ursas or alpha lupi and banner shield to protect my team or generate a TON of orbs for them so they can go ability crazy. that alone made me realize that not only are titans in a bad spot but the game itself has strayed from having encounters that allow titan to shine. we had instances where it made sense to have a titan defend you. everything is designed around warlocks having a well and hunters instant max dps.
i remember how in the harder difficulty menagerie against the taken ogre boss or in black armory forge mode when we were all under power, having a banner titan was CLUTCH in shielding everyone
Should have talked about titan classes in general because its not just prismatic that has these issues
I would love to see vids like this for the other classes too! Awesome upload Datto
I really want to see someone make a build for unbreakable aspect because i think its a really cool concept.
I’ve got a really good one I’ve been using on Void Titan, it uses armamenteruem and offensive bulwark and a few fragments that let me get orbs + devour on an Unbreakable kill which I can spam up to 3 times consecutively because of armamenteruem
Trust me when I say I tried, ursa furiosa buried bloodline devour momentum transfer everything to get that grenade back and make it as useful as possible, it's just not worth it. It needs to be more resilient in difficult content, i've been killed straight through it multiple times, and it just needs to do more in general, throwing a normal grenade tends to be of more value in almost every situation.
Same, but you can't use it during transcendence, which is kinda stupid. You can loop it fairly reliably on void, though.
I used it with no backup plans, Offensive bulwark and perfect paradox. It's a nice loop and you have to play super aggressive to keep your over shield and unbreakable constantly proccing.
Spirit of the bear and verity makes that aspect very strong
I love how historically the class that has had the most OP skill and broken supers has been Hunters and even Warlocks back in D1 with the self-rez, but Bungie was like "We need to make sure Titans aren't broken. We don't want them running amuck. After all they are the least popular class. Can't have them thinking they're special."
All i want is for Titans to be THE TANK CLASS
And for Hunters to be the fastest class in the game
As a Titan main since D1 days, I love my tanky boi, its just gettin tirin with Bungie's philosophy of "second verse same as the first" when it comes into consideration for Titans. Remember how hyped a lot of people got when the Strand concept art came out and it looked like Titans were gettin this flamethrower style super? If they want to keep us as the frontline wall, im ok with the different melee supers but its ok for them to lean out from that every now and then especially to allow us to have more mid to long range super options. You can still build this center point, grab attention to keep off teammates, wall of force as a juggernaut with like a minigun or big cannon as well as runnin around like you're on crack as a strand titan. Hell one of my fav thing is slappin Sweet Buisness with Actium on lower level content and just laughin manically while never lettin go of the trigger
I'm just really glad ive managed to find a build that isnt just triple consecration, using shield throw with doom fang pauldron and glacial quake as my super. it generally works with any super but i find glacial quake to be the most fun for me. I basically get to alternate between using my super and using transcendence, and since you get so many melee charges back during transcendence so long as theres even a remotely dense amount of adds i can usually go from 0 super to having my super in about 30 seconds, on contest mode first encounter (and in master) i was easily getting like 2 to 3 glacial quake casts per round of the encounter. (this also ended up working out pretty well in GM glassway today, though i had to be a bit more careful with my ability usage)
That being said, pris titan does still feel very beholden to its melees and when the game has a lot of areas where melee is discouraged or just doesn't work, it feels like we got the short end of the stick. When hunters get nighthawk with still hunt, stronger melee builds with grapple and perfect execution, combination blow and spirit of caliban and then warlocks get the getaway artist build and a raid exotic that pairs perfectly into strandlock and 1.4mil damage nova bombs with spirit of star eater, it feels really really bad to be left with half of our perks on the exotic class item being minor utility perks for our barricade while the other half just do what our existing exotics already do for melees.
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Can I just have some more grenade-based builds on Titan again? HoIL and Ashen Wake aren't doing it for me like they used to, and while Unbreakable is fun, it doesn't feel very grenade-like. I can do more than punch things!
seriously!! Ashen wake was my favorite build pre subclass 3.0. Despite what anyone might say, Bungie absolutely stealth nerfed it. it was a slight adjustment but but it was enough to drastically impact the ability cycle of it in pve. i religiously ran it so i could tell it was noticeably different and not viable as it used to be. coupled with the fact that they nerfed the hell out of sunspots, which i still do not understand as bleak watchers on warlock are far more oppressive than sunspots ever were. i really don't get why bungie nerfs titans so much. we absolutely have been nerfed more than warlocks and hunters its crazy
What sucks about the Prismatic Titan kit isnt just the Melee focus to be successful, its the low survivability with it, part of why Bonk hammer and Banner of War were so loved were how you could play aggressive and it would keep you alive while using your melee for whatever you want, theres no bonk, no sunspots, no banner, unless you make a lot of orbs or use buried bloodline there isnt much uptime with things like devour or woven mail either, and the only source of Overshield outside the artifact is Unbreakable which can have a lengthy cooldown based on your discipline stat, meanwhile you get combo blow on hunters and devour on warlocks that let you play at least somewhat more aggressive and restoring health as you kill enemies, it just would be nice to have something as part of the kit vs just from orb generation which can be harder for multikills outside your super in higher end content
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Thing is, prismatic titan can't function at a baseline until they rework the entire titan kit and it's subclasses. Titan has always been extremely lackluster designwise, it was just bad design propped up by overtuned numbers.
so something that bungie will never do. good one
My opinion has arrived
Jokes old now bud
the grenade shield aspect can be used to block dmg from the witness shape attacks, so you can stand in it even if dmg is hitting to confrim your glyph breaker
As a Hunter main I've been having so much fun running a triple consecration build in Nightfalls, Exotic Missions, etc. Only issue is that you're kinda locked to using Monte Carlo if you REALLY wanna spam it, but it does feel amazing and super powerful linking 3 consecrations into prismatic into 3 consecrations into Super then repeat.
It does really feel like its the only build I will ever use on Titan though, which sucks because I have like 6 builds on Hunter I can rotate through at will and not feel any significant power difference.
It's frustrating because strand titan got so much more out of TFS, you can now use any aspect along with banner of war which is really great, the problem is I guarantee they are going to nerf Wish Dragon's talons because it is seeing so much use, then it'll be back to Synthos, Banner, Into the fray, except worse because they nerfed every aspect of it with TFS, because fuck fun and fuck Titans I guess.
why is bungie so afraid of melee? Like, what aversion is there to punching things? Bungie nerfs scouts/snipers because they consider them "safe" options, but when it comes to melee, the unsafest option, they just....nerf it more? I'm not saying titan shouldn't be reworked to something else, but like if titan was at the very least the defacto punch class and wasn't outclassed by hunters/warlocks it'd help a lot more.
The thing about melee builds is this: if a character is capable of wading into melee with difficult enemies and surviving, they're basically going to be incredibly hard to kill even in some other context. So far D2 hasn't really been great about designing encounters where being in short range is actually a helpful strategy--usually it's either intended to be part of the challenge (think anything where difficult adds spawn near a zone or plate you need to be standing on), or it's a bad idea entirely (the "boss stomp oneshots you" era). Plus, with explosive weapons frequently being the best DPS choice historically, that's another reason you're gonna wanna put ten meters or more between you and your target.
If you've played Hades 2, you've likely encountered a few boss attacks that threaten the entire room EXCEPT the spaces directly next to them. Can't think of a D2 boss that does anything like that.
Unbreakable with the solar grenade actually kicks a lot of ass offensively, because there's a bug that makes it do full damage regardless of how much it absorbs, and grenade effects, such as Facet of Dominance and Spirit of Verity from the class item applies to it. Zaouli's Bane with demolitionist, a grenade kickstart mod, and Inmost Light as the other class item perk means every 15ish seconds, spawns permitting, you can be throwing out 400k+ damage (to Navota in the 1995 nightfall last week) blasts with Unbreakable with very high uptime on overshield. It's astonishingly effective, and it's gonna make me real sad when they inevitably fix that bug and Unbreakable drops down to like 40k damage blasts without having to somehow convince enemies to do damage to it first.
I actually have that mark so I’ll give it a go. But I’m sure it’ll be patched come next Tuesday right after I make a build for it lol.
Got a dim link by chance?
I actually have that mark so I’ll give it a go. But I’m sure it’ll be patched come next Tuesday right after I make a build for it lol.
Got a dim link by chance?
It will now be nerfed next week because you said something on Titan was good
The worst thing about titans, our builds have such a narrow focus when being created, that unplanned interactions become grossly overpowered leading to nerfs in which titans will feel screwed over more often looking at other classes have more fleshed out and broader builds.
It took me a while to figure out a build I liked with Unbreakable, but once I found one, I had a lot more fun with it. Definitely trying to pick up HoIL/Armamentarium.
When using drengrs lash with repulser, it actually doesn’t send out a shockwave that suspends. It instead places a tangle in your places which explodes 2 seconds later and suspends targets it hits.
I have found Diamond Lance + Drengr's with Pulse nades, Sentinel Shield, Thruster and HoIL to be fun. It kinda devolves into throwables spam but it's at least something *other* than just trying to melee everything (although the Lances and Tangles spawning amidst enemies still means the loop puts you in the fray)
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I like the part where the prismatic titaned and then the guardian and witness kissed
I think it would be cool if titans were weapon specialists, with perks fragments and aspects that play into heavy and special weapons. Imagine if you could run a shotgun primary titan build, with machine guns granting buffs to teammates...
I've been running Drengr's lash and knockout with Abeyant Leap and strand melee + suspend nades, you get the extra suspends waves on each shield plus woven mail on suspends. I use the fragment that gives health on melee kills and the one allows orbs to give the class buff based on super. Use the solar super for restoration on orbs or strand for what is basically infinite woven mail, or void for the overshield. Obviously it still has some of the issues you mentioned like lack of firepower compared to other classes and it is a bit dependent on melee kills for healing unless you use the solar super for restoration from orbs. I think it should be good enough for GMs, I haven't gotten a chance to test it yet.
i actually do really like Unbreakable and Drengr's Lash with Abeyant leap for gms, yeah they dont syngergize but its nice to have woven mail and void overshields stacking and to have a bunch of crowd control with transcendence
Once i realized during my 1st legend campaign playthrough, that i didn't need to keep using prismatic, i went back to my syntho strand build and have never gone back.
The fact that i can proc BoW so easily, even after all the nerfs, and keep it up with my weapons from a distance, means there's almost no reason to run anything else in most situations.
The only thing that would ever get me to consider prismatic would be if they had a celestial style exotic for Twilight Aresnal...and even then I'm probably going full void instead.
Yeah prismatic titan really has little to no synergy in the kit for most builds. And the terrible perks they chose for the class item doesnt help, there are like a couple combos that are decent but mostly wastes
TDT made a really good video highliting this issue as well. Glad to see people talking about the titan problem more.
things I wish prismatic titans got
1. an aspect like facet of dawn but it grants one of the defensive buffs based on the type of the powered melee used ex. Using frenzied blade grants wove mail to you on hit and near by fireteam members on kill.
2. allow knockouts effects to proc on hit ex. After proccing knockout melee hits grants healing and amplify. if that's too strong you can give it a cool down
3 drengr's lash get an effect like dealing damage to a suspended or servered combatant creates an severing explosion. And grants knockout levels of healing
4. Shield throw weakens on hit and grant full over shield on kill
5 thruster grants amplify on cast and increased ability regen, rally barricade grants radiant on cast and tower barricade grants void overshield on cast
6. diamonds lance should get an effect like shattering frozen combatants grants a stack of frost armor defeating frozen combatant grants 2
Also enemy threat should be tied into resilience
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I ran a build in gm glassway with abeyant leap jolting pulse nades, shield toss, drangurs lash, and diamond lance and I felt the strongest I have ever felt doing gm glassway. I think I mainly felt that because I was constantly transcending. I think titans transcendence nade is the best part of the subclass, and using a ranged melee to spam it more when transcending is not something most titan’s have tried. This probably wouldn’t really be nice for master raids unless you had a abeyant leap + star eater scales class item for a better dps super on top of the good suspends.
I hope that whenever titan gets changed drangurs lash isn’t removed because I would be sad.
I've been enjoying a shatter build on prismatic titan, using a hoarfrost exotic class item and glacier grenades and veglas curve. Thunderclap is very good for smashing lots of crystals at once
Into the Fray would be the easiest possible fix for Titan. Not only do you get access to Woven Mail, but you get melee recharge rate while in it, which would actually give Titans some form of ability regen. Abeyant doesn’t even need to be removed at that point. All you’d need to do is switch which half of the exotic is active and it’ll be fine
I really enjoy Diamond Lance with Drengr combined with the new rocket chestpiece. It really nukes stuff in regular stuff up till the master nightfall. idk about GM or contest but insta-nuking every elite and champion by hitting the thruster next to them and watch them as they are strung up and getting missle rained on.
watching that titan prismatic grenade bounce off the taken blight will never not make me snicker
Prismatic titan needs quite literally 2 changes IMO. Replace unbreakable with Controlled demo and make it work with Drengrs Lash and Diamon lances. Gives offensive power to crowd control and another avenue for sustain from range. Also brings use to shield throw as a ranged melee. This would give that real prismatic interaction where you have an avenue to truly combine light and dark abilities. Also put spirit of Cadmus in the second Column. make it so you can make lances from behind your barrier but it doesn’t generate crystals on enemy impact. This would give a meaningful way to combine titans crowd control abilities and have a multi pronged crowd control loop based around your barricade which would be pretty cool
I started the expansion with Warlock, got through the whole game until farming for class items in the pale heart. I switched to titan because i wanted to level some more, and i am addicted to my strand/arc loadout. Suspend, cannon brace thunderclap, orb, woven mail, repeat.
When i used twilight arsenal i realised that its the first shutdown super for titans compared with the other clasess, its a one and done and you stay in the same place unlike T-crash
I would also like a full revision on stasis man it stills feels underpowered :(
I’m not even gonna lie, stasis Titan’s super can crank MASSIVE damage with the right build, like, the highest in the game. However, what bosses feasibly are going to let you slam the ground right in front of them without booping you or killing you? Not even to mention that the majority of bosses move around, making your attacks wasted if they do much more than stand absolutely still, and that’s if the boss is even ABLE to be hit with the attack to begin with.
@@hammyboi891 the omega damage was beacuse of a bug that caused the cristals to explode twice wich was fixed when TFS launched, i have not made any damage test tho maybe its still doing that omega damage but yeah i agree about the bosses thing. I would like a buff on some cooldowns, my main problem is the uptime with stasis titan.
Titans having an identity crisis realising that all they can do is punch but with different flavors is kinda funny lmao
TDT made a really good video talking about how titans have no identity and nothing unique to them, even suggested some changes
But this has been a problem for years now, I've never interested that much in playing titan because of this, almost all of its builds are around punching, the most unique one I've used was the og stasis+stronghold, but even that got nuke over years, they removed the instant heal on parry(doesn't seem but its a game changer), added banner of war which is not bad but completely overshadowed stasis and now they nerfed lament survivabilty and damage on top of all that, is it still usable yes but its not as fun as it once was
it's frustrating bc we only occasionally get melee builds, and then they're immediately nerfed AND designed out of future content... so what are we left with
In hindsight making Titans the "melee" class was doomed from the start because what fucking raid or GM encounter are you not standing with your team and doing damage.
With hunters and warlocks also being able to achieve near maximum possible damage resist with their prismatic kits (30% from a fragment, 30% from woven, and 30% from frost armor or the amplified mod) Titans would genuinely need a damn near damage immunity button to go beyond. I think they should lean into damage output reduction with sever and such
Great minds I suppose huh?
I would LOVE to know if you think its an identity problem too as well as if the rest of the classes besides prismatic should be updated
The other subs needs buffs too. Arc has been dead since storm nades got nerfed, void since HOIL, and stasis has never been good. Titan has 0 flexibility either. You melee, or you swap classes
Facet of Command + Two Tail Fox + new exotic chest piece.
I never had so much fun with my titan before, then the nerf happened 😭
atm im using a prismatic titan build that uses pulse nade and shield throw with Dlash and diamond lance and its veryy potent in endgame content like GMs, kackis has a video on it and i highly recommend it if youre tired of the same old titan builds
I wish Titan be the "heavy weapon and heavy ammo" class again.
They should add into the Frey and make it so that elemental pickups give you woven mail. And control demolition
great analysis datto!
"Up until I was 29, that's more heads than I ever had." :OOOO
I'm realizing now why so many of us enjoyed the Storm Grenade build with HOIL in season 17. Yes it was ridiculously overpowered but it also gave Titans a reason to run a non-melee focused build for the first time in what feels like FOREVER.
titan axes super with star eaters is just so nice, just under 1mil. when surges were still a thing, i managed to get just under 1mil below a still hunt nighthawk hunter by using axes super, stasis linear and cloudstrike with the auto loading mods, i was not matching the surges with anything other than the linear either. 6.3m on witness
Melee fantasy is why I fell in love with titan in D1. Banner of war/frenzied blade and (glaivepilled) winterbite saved the game for me. Until its a boss or enemy floating in the sky. Then I remember that I should have brought an izinagi or in recent cases, just played GG hunter
I don't know if it was ever noticed but can we appreciate dattos thumbnail to just straight up answer the title and sometimes I don't even have to watch the video? Thanks man
I have a build im wanting to make with unbreakable but i need a roll to come with unbreakable to test if it gets the grenade damage buff. So far, it applies weaken if i use a void grenade but strangely enough it doesnt seem to jolt if i use an arc grenade. So theres something weird about unbreakable and grenade effects that might not always proc which is why i need a verity roll to see if it get additional damage. If not ill just be making a void build or ill just run my spirit of the bear with armamentarium for super energy to spam axes