Monotheism: The Mystery of the Trinity with R.C. Sproul
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Without question, there is great mystery when it comes to the Godhead. Yet the Bible plainly affirms that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. Dr. Sproul begins this new series on “The Mystery of the Trinity” with a message which affirms that Christians worship one God.
This is the 1st in a series of messages by Dr. Sproul on the Trinity. See other videos in the series: • The Mystery of the Tri...
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Thank Dr. RC Sproul. I love you
Ligonier puts out a series of videos entitled “The Mystery of the Trinity” and the synergistic crowd comes crawling out of the woodwork to leave -insults- _comments_ which have little or nothing to do with the content of the videos. _Amazing!_ These people don’t want to address any of the points Dr. Sproul made about the Trinity. The closest they come to acknowledging the actual content is choosing a random word or historical figure he’s mentioned somewhere in the teaching and then arguing against the word, or criticizing the historical figure and what he taught.
So, instead of commenting on ANY of his points about the Trinity, it appears that they just want to argue that _Calvinism = bad_ from the saddle of their homemade high-horses, then gallop away, probably feeling quite sorry for the poor, misled monergists who believe in the absolute Sovereignty of God over His Creation (and the other tenets of monergistic faith). After all, they're _earning_ their salvation. They _deserve_ to feel morally superior to those who believe that the Son willingly paid the entire price, by the Sovereign Will of the Father, through the regeneration and sanctification of the Holy Spirit; _that dead men can do nothing because they’re DEAD._ It's almost as if these people didn't actually _watch_ the videos; that they simply skimmed them for information they feel comfortable denigrating.
This sort of thing could lead one to believe these people have an agenda…
Brother, the training people receive in culture & thru Social media is to only affirm their prejudices & suspect anything that doesn't "feel" right if it CHALLENGES preconceived notions.
I pray the LORD opens the eyes of many more in our Nation & especially in the Church to these golden Truths that are hidden right under our noses.
"The secret of the LORD is with those who Fear Him, and to them will He show His Covenant..."
I affirm Sovereign Grace but reject the Trinity.
I wish this had louder audio. I have the volume maxed out on my Galaxy s8 and I can barely hear this video.
Cuz it’s an android lol get an iPhone! *I’m joking. Well, like 85.4% joking* 😂
@@johnwhoissavedbygrace9975 Nah, it's definitely this video. Most RUclips videos, even videos from Ligonier are loud and clear.
Antitrinitarians - I don't understand something therefore it doesn't exist.
Trinitarians - it's not in the Hebrew Bible and we can't understand it, but it's Biblical and it exists.
@@nicolas.pascal and expressly rejected in the Quran
@@nicolas.pascal anti trinitarians are indwelt by an evil spirit totally against Christ and Christianity going to hell with no savior without repentance
@@nicolas.pascal all sound doctrine affirms it right away you haven't made step 1 the narrow gate
You are heathen unbeliever
@@nicolas.pascal Where is the name Jesus in the Hebrew Bible?
The cornerstone of the triune nature of God.
The God of the Bible is revealed as Love. God is Love (1John 4:8). He was Love before He created anything that was created. He was Love in eternity past, when He alone was in existence (Ps 90:2).
Now love is a kinetic or flowing emotion. Love cannot exist on its own. You are loved and you love. Love has to flow from one being to another.
Again we know that God is complete in Himself. If He is not, then He is not God. So for God to be love and to be complete in Himself when He alone was in existence,
He had to be more than one in Himself.
God of the Bible is a triune being - He has ONE identity and but has THREE ministries, namely Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. We can go through the some examples of the different ministries of the triune God.
1 - Salvation:
Father draws (Jn 6:44)
Holy Spirit convicts the person of sin (Jn 16:8)
Justified by the Son (Rom 5:1,9)
2 - Prayer:
We pray to the Father (Matt 6:8,9)
In the Holy Spirit (Eph 6:18, Jude 20)
By the name of the Son (Jn 14: 13,14)
The Bible explains that God created man in His image and likeness (Gen 1:26). Man also is a triune being - spirit, soul and body (1Th 5:23, Heb 4:12).
The spirit makes us God conscious, the soul makes us self conscious and the body makes us earth conscious.
So even though the word trinity or triune is not explicitly mentioned in the Scriptures, we can know for sure that God is a triune being from the many verses of the Scriptures.
Bro AMEN!!!! Everything goes back to God and all creation aligns. The tree of life. DNA. Three in us, three in God. He is so amazing man
By far the best argument I have heard on how to have a "trininistic" monotheistic religion. I think I can understand how God can be three persons and one essence. He can logically be A in one sense, be in another, and c in another. A + B + C = D, If A and B and C are the same then D is congruent with all three individually and at the same time, however, they are still separate integers. Even if A,B,and C, are all 1, D is still three. There is no way around the fact that three persons, regardless of their essence is still three persons. Technically that is not monotheistic.
Golden star i was just thinking about your comment myself i also sort of came to the same conclusion as you of how i understood the truine God by using the alphabetic system
In my view, while it is correct to point out that there is a difference between the sense whereby God is one, and the sense whereby God is three, I don't think it is correct to portray that difference as something easily understandable to the human rationalistic mind, e.g. "1 What, 3 Whos".
When it comes to how we understand the Triune God, I believe we can rightly start by saying that God is He (deliberate use of singular personal pronoun) who uniquely exists at the core of the entire realm of reality. But then we can point out that He is manifest as a kind of threefold, whereby the three members possess real genuine characteristics associated with mutually distinct personhood.
So effectively, I believe that the Triune God is a He-They. The "He" encapsulates the monotheistic heart of the Judeo-Christian faith (considering e.g. Isaiah 43:10-11, 44:24, 46:9). The "He" explains why the three persons don't get jealous of each other, while one of the names of God is Jealous. But one of the things we see in the "They" is intra-divine love.
One essence, three person.
Isaiah 48:16, Lord GOD, אֲדֹנָי ’ăḏônây / יְהוִֹה yhwh, (the Father).
Isaiah 48:17 LORD God, יְהוָֹה yhwh / אֱלֹהִים ’elôhîym, (the Son). the Redeemer
1. As the Trinity is a pagan religion then Trinitarians are in the same camp as all forms of false religion.
2. The Trinity was formed by Babylonians and is one of the first forms of false or pagan worship.
3. Trinitarians are more popular than most pagan religions. Thus Trinitarians are the head of false religion.
4. This is why the Bible refers to Trinitarians as the "Babylon the great."
....This should help.
Sir Pls stop being ignorant
You are a total fake nutjob get a life
But hey you are so triggered you are here whining and ranting nonsense haha you have been convicted of truth and rejected it. Hoepfully the seed is planted and will someday open your eyes
This is his loony logic
Green cheese equals strawberry fields equals Beethovens ninth hahahahahahhaa
How do you tie your own shoelaces with that low of an iq
Здравствуйте my Global Brothers! So, can a stone, rock, tree etc have some spirit, or connection to the Creator? Judge for yourselves...
1) Ya‘akov took a *stone* and set it upright as a *standing-stone.* Then Ya‘akov said to his kinsmen, *“Gather some stones”;* and they took stones, made a pile of them and *ate there by the pile of stones.*
Lavan called it Y’gar-Sahaduta ( *“pile of WITNESS”* in Aramaic), while Ya‘akov called it Gal-‘Ed ( *“pile of WITNESS”* in Hebrew).
*NB!!!* Lavan said, *“This pile WITNESSES between me and you today.”* This is why it is called Gal-‘Ed and also HaMitzpah (“the watchtower”), because he said, “May ADONAI watch between me and you when we are apart from each other... *“Here is this pile, and here is this standing-stone,* which I have set up between me and you. *May this pile be a witness, and may the standing-stone be a witness, that I will not pass beyond this pile to you, and you will not pass beyond this pile and this standing-stone to me, to cause harm.* _Genesis 31:45-52
2) Moses was instructed to SPEAK to the great Rock! SPEAK...as if the Rock had ears! For dishonoring God and doubted a Rock can hear, Moses was severely punished, as God's FRIEND, not to enter the Promised Land!
*NB!!!!!!*
3) And Joshua wrote these words in the book of the law of God, and *took a great stone, and set it up there under an oak,* that was by the sanctuary of the LORD. And Joshua said unto all the people, *Behold, this stone shall be a Witness unto us; for it (this stone) HATH HEARD ALL THE WORDS OF THE LORD WICH HE SPAKE UNTO US:* it shall be therefore *A WITNESS UNTO YOU,* lest ye deny your God.
_Joshua 24:26-27
There are more examples in Scripture, but let me end with one very important and famous STONE:
4) 2 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:
“‘The stone the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone;
the Lord has done this,
and it is marvelous in our eyes’?
43 “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. 44 Anyone who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; anyone on whom it falls will be crushed.” Matthew 21:42-44
Why did not God use words like trinity, triune, three in one, Godman, fully God -fully man, mother of God? Did the trinitarians need to help God with vocabulary?
If God wanted us to refer to himself (themselves?)as a trinity would not have He (they?) told us that?
God is Lord. Not Lords.
Likewise God's son is a lord but not God himself.
Jesus is a man the son of God not God the son.
@The Pilgrim Jesus is simply a man. However we must remember that scripture says that he is simply the only begotten son of God.
He is simply the lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world. He simply was a man that always did the Fathers will. In doing so he did accomplish our redemption and salvation. He did not do his own will he did Gods will.
He did what God told him to do. God tells me to forgive. Does that mean that I am God when I forgive? I think not. If you forgive does that make you God?
When we forgive are we forgiving acts of kindness or acts of sin?
@The Pilgrim Thanks for asking those questions, those are excellent questions because it gets to the heart of the matter. What is the heart of the matter? That is the question we should ask. What is the heart of the matter? I Timothy 2:4 summarizes in one verse what God's will is. " Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." God wants that all men receive salvation and, and, and come to the knowledge of the truth. Not "a" knowledge of "a" truth, but "the" knowledge of "the" truth. God's word, His logos, the written word, the scripture, is that truth that God wants us to have a specific and accurate knowledge of. II Timothy 2:15, a rightly divided knowledge of the truth. When we fail to rightly divide the truth, we miss out on the truth. Note it tells us that in order to rightly divide the truth , we must become workman, not lazy, not slothful, but workman, knowledgeable, wise, skillful workman who know how to rightly divide the word of truth.
With that in mind, let us begin to look at a broader scope of the logos, God's message, his communication to us. That is, what does God's word say, what are the words that God communicates to us?
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Jesus Christ was conceived and born sinless. No man was born sinless except for Jesus Christ. Adam and Eve were not born, they were formed and made and created, they were not conceived, they were not born. All humans subsequent to Adam and Eve were not born pure from the sin that Adam and Eve brought upon themselves and their progeny. However, God planned human nature such that He could have a human son that could be conceived and born without being tainted by A and E's sin.
He then is the only human that was capable, after A and E's error, that could do all the law because he started off with a clean slate , so to speak.
Could Adam and Eve done the law? In their original sinless state? Yes, but once they sinned, it was impossible. The law had to be learned, as soon as a young person sinned even out of ignorance, it was sin. Why would have they sinned? because their souls were already tainted, they were predisposed to sin. Jesus was not. His soul was pure, thus he like Adam and Eve, (before they sinned) was not predisposed to sin. Jesus the anointed one, did not have that defect of being effected by A and E''s sin.
Also, in contrast to all of us, Jesus chose to always to his Father's will. We on the other hand have made choices not to do the Father's will. Ie, we have sinned, for all men, all men that are not Jesus Christ, have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Jesus Christ as a man had the choice to succumb to tempations or to escape the tempations, He chose to do the Father's will, God cannot be tempted, James 1:13 " Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:" However, God's logos, his written word tells us that Jesus the anointe one, in contrast to God, who cannot be tempted was tempted in every way, yet without sin. He chose the right path, that is to obey God. Hebrews 4:15 "For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin."
Thus we see that Jesus was the one man born under the law that was actually capable of doing the law, not only doing it, but fulfilling it. Likewise we see that unlike God, Jesus was tempted in every way to disobey God by disobeying the law, but did not. Why not? Because he loved God and God's word more than anything else, he sought first the kingdom of God and His righteousness.
That is a long answer, but as I pointed out, in my intro, it takes work to find answers. It takes more than idle speculation and tradition to find answers.
By the way, if we understand the principle that if there is a difference in anyway between two objects, then they are not identical. Indentical twins are called identical, but they are not, they may have the same DNA but they are not identical, for they do not occupy the same space, they do not not breath the same molecules of air, they do not eat the same molecules of food, they are two different people.
Likewise with God and His son they are similar, but are not one and the same. Jesus always did the Father's will thus if we want to see what the Father is all about all we need to do is to look at the life by his words and actions the life of Jesus Christ to see the Father. Since God is invisible, and no man has seen God at anytime, this immediately eliminates Jesus from being God, seeing that thousands of people saw Jesus Christ. When we do the Father's will , we are one with the Father as well, but we do not always do the Father's will like Jesus the anointed did, in fact, all humans other than Jesus Christ, have, at times chosen to not do the Father's will in favor of doing our own will.
That covers two of your questions, Oh, by the way if you believe "the Holy Spirit" is another entity then why isn't Jesus and the Father one with the Holy Spirit?
@@lisamarie6611 Can you show me the chapter and verse? I can find it, but can you?
@ZoneFighter1 That is correct. Jesus had a mother, but God does not. God is the Father of Jesus Christ and Mary is the mother of Jesus Christ
@The Pilgrim So where in scripture does it say that if Jesus is simply a man that his sacrifice meant nothing?
لا إله إلا الله
haq, The bible was the original word of God but through time man has corrupted it. Current day Christianity is based on pagon ideas. May we all be guided to the truth iA.
What do the scriptures say? This gentleman does not give much of God’s Words.
Theres no scriptural backing for the trinity. Just man’d philosophy placed into the Bible. Let the Bible speak for itself instead of forcing it to produce a three person God. Father is God alone-Jesus’s God.
Yes...hes just using mans wisdom and not heeding 2 Timothy 2.15
I am billions of cells which are each individual contained life forms, each with their own DNA, and life span. These include mobile immune cells and bloods cells, yet I am one. I get the credit and the shame for whatever is done collectively. I am also a collection of organs, which each operate in different capacities and which are separate from each other, yet are part of one body.
When we are born again, we are part of the body of Christ, and act as a force for order and good, under the leadership of Christ. We give the glory to God.
When you marry, in the Christian faith, you become one body with your spouse.
When you work with an organization, you are part of the one organization, regardless of the capacity in which you work. In the end, the organization is responsible for and credited with your work.
No analogy is perfect, but, If i were to attempt to compare all of existence to a privately owned company. I would suggest that God the father is like the owner, who has made his son the CEO. Together they run Existence Inc, with one holy spirit.
This whole concept is common place. What is the issue?
As in any organization, if we go significantly and unretrievably out of line, we are like a harmful infection within the organization and are removed. We have to tow the line. This is God's creation, and organization. He sets the rules. The Lord our God is one.
Are you in or out?
Farmerson. What you have stated supports Panentheism more than anything else.
God is One Person and we are all non-essential parts of Him.
No need for a Trinity of divine persons.
Modern Christianity lacks understanding of the fact that in His humanity, Christ is the "Son of God" but in his essence, He is the Father.
@thenowchurch What you are saying is that you deny the Holy Trinity. You deny the word of God. You cannot be a Christian and deny Christ. That is anti-Christ.
John 14:6 KJV
6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
In other words, Jesus says, I am distinct from the Father, and if you want to get to the Father, you have to go through me.
Matthew 3:17 New International Version (NIV)
17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
If Jesus has the actual voice of the Father, instead of his own voice, speaking on behalf of the Holy Trinity, who is speaking from heaven?
1 John 2:18-22 New International Version (NIV)
Warnings Against Denying the Son
18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us. 20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth.[a] 21 I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. 22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist-denying the Father and the Son.
In other words, you cannot deny the Son is distinct from the Father and be a Christian.
Colossians 1:15-17 New International Version (NIV)
The Supremacy of the Son of God
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
In other words, Jesus is not just a meat puppet with the Father's voice. After the father, he was the first born of all creation. Nothing else existed before him, except the father. If he was first born of all creation, who begat him? It can only be the father, and again it shows that Jesus is distinct from the God the father.
Revelation 22:13
Christ:
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.
In other words, Christ is more than a man. All men and all creation may be discarded, but Christ will still be there, and he would be the last of all existence, that could be taken away, while God the father still remains.
Thomas 77 LAYTON
(77) Jesus said, "It is I who am the light (that presides) over all. It is I who am the entirety: it is from me that the entirety has come, and to me that the entirety goes. Split a piece of wood: I am there. Lift a stone, and you (plur.) will find me there."
Are you, or any other man or woman, in all things, yet distinct from the Father? The Holy spirit runs in the family. Like Father, like Son.
thenowchurch Are you Oneness ?
@@jacobpodolsky2649 No. I am more of a Swedenborgian. We believe that Christ is the One Lord of All.
While He was on earth, His humanity limited His
knowledge and power, but after the cross and resurrection and ascension, He glorified and transformed His humanity and His identity
re-merged with the Father.
That is why the Son and the Father share One Throne in Revelations.
Farmerson. I deny that there are three separate and distinct divine persons.
I do not deny that Christ is Lord and God.
Is accepting the Trinity doctrine, of three distinct persons being One God, essential for salvation ?
John 10:30 Jesus said, “Father and I are One.” Doesn’t it settle the issue?
This is interesting. I would also ask you to read John 14:28, John 20:17 and Mark13:32. These are just some of the verses that convey that they are not the same. This means that this is a contradiction. One of the two must be true. Jesus is God or Jesus and God are separate. As we look at the bible, It has lost it's integrity. The bible was originally the word of God but through time, man has corrupted it. There are many errors and contradictions in the bible. Another simple example is 2 chronicles 22:2 and 2 kings 8:26. What age was Ahaziah? As for the integrity of the bible, we would want the word of God to be true, without any faults, mistakes or contradictions. If something has been changed, how can one confidently know what is the truth and what is false? One example is all of the different versions of the bible. Some bibles have more chapters than others. Also, what is the first commandment? Do current day Christians really believe this? Lets look at a case study of a math textbook. We would like to know the credentials of the authors of the textbook right? We would prefer a person with a math background to write the book instead of a person with an English background right? We would also not want an anonymous author to write a math textbook. As we look at the gospels, these authors are anonymous. We do not know who wrote them and also they contradict one another. May we all be guided to the truth.
Confusing and contradictory as ever. You may need to pay or forced people to believe it.
I believe and I was neither paid or forced
Wow more confusing lol. Can someone tell me where the trinity came from since it’s not in the Bible and also why no one bother to write about it in the Bible?
Cornerstone of Trinity as explained by a man of God.
The God of the Bible is revealed as Love. God is Love. He was Love before He created anything that was created. He was Love in eternity past, when He alone was in existence.
Now love is a kinetic or flowing emotion. Love cannot exist on its own. You are loved and you love. Love has to flow from one being to another.
Again we know that God is complete in Himself. If He is not, then He is not God. So for God to be love and to be complete in Himself when He alone was in existence,
He had to be more than one in Himself.
God of the Bible is a triune being - He has ONE identity and but has THREE ministries, namely Father, Son and the Holy Spirit.
The Bible explains that God created man in His image and likeness. Man also is a triune being - spirit, soul and body. The spirit makes us God conscious, the soul makes us self conscious and the body makes us earth conscious.
So even though the word trinity or triune God is not explicitly mentioned in the Bible, it is evident from the many verses of Scripture that God is a triune being.
@@abeyk3459 nothing you said made any sense
Jesus told us point blank Who the Holy Spirit is:
(John 14:16) _And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you _*_another Comforter,_*_ that he may abide with you for ever;_
(John 14:17) _Even _*_the Spirit of truth;_*_ ... dwelleth with you, and shall be in you._
(John 14:18) _I will not leave you comfortless: _*_I will come to you._*
(John 14:22) Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, *_Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us,_* ...
(John 14:23) _Jesus answered ... If a man love me, ... my Father will love him, and _*_we will come_*_ unto him, and make _*_our abode_*_ with him._
(1John 1:3) … _truly our fellowship is with _*_the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ._*
You dont have any of them because you reject the Son
Using Gods word in vain you are doomed
Repent or die forever
what is the meaning of ONE ? - LORD JESUS prayed that WE should be ONE, just as the FATHER and JESUS are ONE, this does not mean that WE,GOD, AND JESUS are only ONE person [john 17:21-23 ] .For example :-
[1] [john 17:11 ]...that they may be ONE, as we are. [2] [john 17:21-23 ]That they all may be ONE; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be ONE in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.[3] [gal 3:28]There is neither Jew nor Greek ...bond nor free...male nor female but ye are all ONE in Christ Jesus
Trinitarians are funny
Divine Trinity and/or Holy Trinity is: The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one, as soul, body, and operation in man; also Angelkind, is one. The Father (Yehovah; Creative Divine, Son (Jesus; Ultimate human form of creative Divine, and Holy Spirit (Divine Spirit emanating from the glorified human Christ Jesus our Lord.
To help draw this into focus more:
1. Yehovah God assumed the human in Time, glorified it in his ultimate human Divine form Christ Jesus our Lord. This this why if one says Yehovah or Lord it is same.
For example Jesus say, no man cometh unto the Father (Yehovah) except by me. And again Jesus say, no man cometh unto me except the Father draw him. This then gives rise to the OT where it is made known, “Am I a God at hand, saith Yehovah, and not a God afar off (Jeremiah 23:23)?
These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; **glorify** thy Son, that thy Son also may **glorify** thee: (John 17:1).
And now, O Father, **glorify** thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was (John 17:5).
2. When considering the Divine Trinity of the Godhead, acting as a touch stone, bear this in mind, the Father (Yehovah) operates in and into his ultimate Divine Human form Christ Jesus our Lord and, and never through Him. This is true of all creation; operation is from the inside out. With the one exception/caveat, the Lord God is the Divine all in all; without space in all space and without time in all time, the very and only I AM that I AM. Selah
As the Apostle Paul say, In God we live, move, and have our being. Also, that all the fulness of the Godhead dwelleth in Jesus Christ bodily.
3. It is this Divine operation going forth from the Lord God which is that sending of the Holy Spirit to all who believe in Him, and live the Decalogue in their lives; Also known as Christ and us.
This is why the Apostle John said, the Holy Spirit was not yet given for Jesus was not yet glorified. That’s why Holy Spirit is not written in the OT. Now many Christian Bibles translations by men of removed Spirit of Holiness, and replace it with Holy Spirit.
For example: KJV translation has replaced Spirit of Holiness with Holy Spirit three times. Once in Psalms 51:11, and twice in Isaiah 63:10, ll. However, as not to through out the baby with the bath wash, the KJV overall is a good English Bible translation.
In the Darby Bible it is correctly written in Psalms 51:11 Spirit of Holiness.
My friends, who’ve affixed a trinity of God in divine persons, please put Yehovah together in the Divine Person of Jesus Christ our Lord and God. In the Heavens all Good Spirits and Angels say LORD.
Thank you, for allowing me to share. May the LORD GOD bless us all everyone. Amen
So all the paternals/ prophets didn’t really know their God!
David who was after God’s heart !
Moses , who spoke to God mouth to mouth!
Jacob and Isaac favorites of God all these guys weren’t really in the loop & didn’t know their God
completely because by Sroul -God had not revealed himself completely?
When God said, I all alone, stretched out to heavens - it wast true there was really 3 in you God!?!? Isaiah 44:24
Trinitarians say; that the apostles were the first experiential trinitarians!
But the Jews knew who they worship!
You a mere man make yourself God? J10:33
The Word became flesh J1:14 and lived amongst us!
Not a second divine person of some holy trinity!
The Trinity is a pagan Roman Catholic concept! That’s way trinitarians can’t explain it!
You have omnipresence sending omnipresence where it already exists!
How does that work with 2 coequal persons? Who knows where the third one is!
Since they’re inseparable!!!!!
The Trinity is not Monotheistic.
I am Jehovah, that is my name; and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise unto graven images.
Isaiah:42:8 ASV 1901
Sorry JW but its
@@LitoLochoss the JW's don't have a monopoly on God's name! JEHOVAH was in Tyndale's Bible in the 1500's. JEHOVAH is God's name in English. Just as Jerusalem is not the Hebrew rendering of that city because there is not a J in Hebrew or even Jesus which is not the Hebrew rendering of that name.
@@dwashington1333 nutjob fake liar
He that has seen Jesus has seen th Father he and the Father are one
You are totally lost clueless and still evil liar you are of your liar father the devil
Its cut and dried straightforward you are in an evil loony cult manifesto nutjob
Give up with all the fake profiles and get a hobby what a drugged out self righteous lunatic fake
Youre not even coherent let alone a clever fake holy moly i cant imagine how detached and paycho you are in real life
Clueless
Slavko Petrov
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Hebrews 7:3 actually speaks against eternal sonship of Jesus and that he is onlybegotten before all ages, because this text says that he in his divinity has no father and no mother and no geneology , neither begining of days , neither the end of life.
So since he as God has no father and no mother and no geneology, neither begining of days , than he is not son in his divinity in that sence. He is son in his humanity.
Er..there's no "confusion" in the triune essence of YHWH. .and you can see this in the visitation of YHWH to Abraham. Only DENIERS of Jesus are "confused" and will refuse to BELIEVE the ONE GOD. The DENIER cannot even fathom the Old Testament let alone remotely imagine understanding what Jesus was talking about. Only the DENIER doesn't know the MalakYHWH "Angel of the Lord" is not any 'single' angel. The DENIER still cannot explain how YHWH saying "I shall come down MYSELF" and "I" shall go INTO THE CITIES" suddenly becomes " 3 angels".
Nonsense. No ancient Hebrew or Jew understood the Torah to be expressing a "triune essence of YHWH".
Stop trying to twist scripture to your pre-supposition.
@@thenowchurch6419 Well perhaps your understanding is flawed..I never said they did..It's why they STILL reject the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Stop making up your own understanding of what I said, based on your illiteracy.
@@nevig6557 .So are you saying that Abraham, Moses, Daniel and Isaiah all rejected the Father , Son and Holy Spirit ?
They were ancient Hebrews.
None of them ever once mentioned the
triunity of YHWH.
If it was clearly expressed by YHWH, it would have at least been a topic of contention among Jews, but was never an issue.
@@thenowchurch6419 er..Who were the "three men" that visited Abraham?
@@nevig6557 HaShem also known as The Angel of the Lord(YHWH Himself,Christ) and two of His angelic Hosts.
God visiting with two other beings means that God is three persons ?
No wonder no major Christian scholar uses that passage to support the Trinity.
God is one. As is written. The trinity is not and never will be.
The easiest way to defend the trinity is to compare it with what the Bible says about God. If the two agree 100%, then that should confirm that the trinity is based squarely on Scripture. But is that the case? Well, judge for yourself:
1a. THE BIBLE says the Father-a single person-is the “only true God.” (John 17:3).
1b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says that “every Person [of the trinity] BY HIMSELF [is] God.” That’s THREE GODS!
2a. THE BIBLE says that “for us there is one God, the Father." (1 Cor. 8:6)
2b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says “we worship one God IN TRINITY.”
3a. THE BIBLE says the “Father is greater…” (John 14:28)
3b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says: “In this trinity, NONE is greater…”
4a. THE BIBLE says Jesus is the Son of God. (John 20:31)
4b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says “Jesus IS God,” which makes him a different God from the “one God in trinity."
5a. THE BIBLE says the “Father is greater…” (John 14:28)
5b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE say that “the whole three persons [of the trinity] are “co-equal.”
6a. THE BIBLE says the holy spirit is not God, but a possession of God and that he gives it to deserving ones. As 1 Thess. 4:8 says: “Therefore, whoever disregards this, disregards not a human being but God, who (also) gives HIS holy Spirit to you.”
6b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says that “the holy spirit IS God.” However, A Catholic Dictionary says: “On the whole, the New Testament, like the Old, speaks of the spirit as a divine energy or power.” It adds: “The majority of New Testament texts reveal God’s spirit as someTHING, not someONE.”
7a. THE BIBLE says that the Father is the ONLY person that “the true worshipers” (Christians) should worship. (John 4:23)
7b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says: “The trinity in unity is to be worshiped.”
So, do the Bible and the Catholic trinity doctrine agree on who God is? Absolutely not! As the New Catholic Encyclopedia says, the trinity “is NOT directly and immediately the Word of God.”
Not arguing what you have said just asking. Would you say as we are spirit, soul, and body that God is tripartite yet 1 God not persons. For instance Glory of God, Spirit of God and God Himself. Not co-anything.
So when the Son is worshipped, it isn't true worship? What you've said is just your argument. Trinity is biblical. The Worshiped thus, He is God, if not, then the "One True God" Father you claim, is endorsing idolatry. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Yahweh, not an active force. That being said, makes Him not lower than being God. That's why we deduce from scripture that He's One God in essence. God is good.
@@BenElyon3 Even when Scriptural truth is presented to you, you _still_ can't see it. That is so sad. But, let me go ahead and address what you said
"So when the Son is worshipped, it isn't true worship? What you've said is just your argument."
At John 8:31, 32, Jesus said: "If you remain in my word, you will truly be my disciples, and you will know the truth." Now, please tell me, did Jesus say that his disciples should worship him? No. As Jesus said: "But the hour is coming, and is now here, when true worshipers will worship the Father in Spirit and truth; and indeed the Father seeks such people to worship him." (John 4:23) So, when Jesus said in the very next verse that "God is Spirit, and those who worship him must worship in Spirit and truth," he was speaking of the Father, not some mythical triune deity.
BTW, who did Jesus' fellow countrymen believe God to be? A trinity? No. They believed God to be a single person, namely, the Father. As they said to Jesus: "We have one Father, God." (John 8:41) So, is there any Scriptural evidence that the Jews worshiped "one God in trinity" as the Catholic Athanasian Creed says? NO!
One last thing. I'm sure that not even you believe that God worships anyone. Instead, he _receives_ worship from others. However, are you aware that Jesus included himself among his fellow Jewish worshipers? Well, just before telling the Samaritan woman that the "true worshipers will worship the Father," he said to her: "You people worship what you do not understand; *WE* worship what *WE* understand, because salvation is from the Jews." (John 4:23, 22) So, who did the Jews, including Jesus, worship? A trinity? NO! They worshiped Jesus' Father, the one Jesus called "the _only_ true God." (John 17:3) The word "only" means, "to the exclusion of others." So, since Jesus' Father is the true God to the exclusion of others, how many other true Gods can there be? Answer: NONE!
So, did Jesus consider worshiping him or a mythical triune deity true worship? Absolutely not. As Jesus said: "[The] true worshipers will worship the Father." (John 4:23) And why is that? It's because the Father, whose name is "Yahweh" in the NJB, is "the only true God." (Ex. 3:15; John 17:3)
@@BenElyon3 "The trinity is Biblical."
If the trinity is Biblical, where is your evidence? Do you usually make claims you can't prove? And another thing, didn't you bother to read my first post which shows that the Bible and the Catholic trinity don't agree on who God is? So, tell me, what did I say that you don't agree with?
" The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Yahweh, not an active force."
The holy spirit is not a force, you say? Clearly, you are not up to date on what your own Catholic reading material says about the holy spirit. So, let me share it with you:
1. "The Holy Spirit is usually presented in the Synoptic gospels (Matt., Mark, Luke) and in Acts as a divine *force* or power ” (Edmund Fortman, The Triune God, pp. 15).
2. “The Old Testament clearly does not envisage God’s spirit as a person…God’s spirit is simply God’s power [or force]." (New Catholic Encyclopedia, 1967, Vol. 13, pp. 574)
3. "The majority of New Testament texts reveal God’s spirit as something, not someone; this is especially seen in the parallelism between the spirit and the power of God” [or force]." (New Catholic Encyclopedia, 1967, Vol. 13, pp. 575).
4. “On the whole the New Testament, like the Old, speaks of the spirit as a divine energy or power [or force].” (W.E. Addis and Thomas Arnold, A Catholic Dictionary, 1960, p. 810).
Clearly, you are a typical uninformed Catholic concerning what your own Catholic sources say about the holy spirit. Doesn't that bother you?
@@BenElyon3 "We deduce from scripture that God [is] one in essence."
FYI, your own Catholic sources acknowledge that the word "essence" is not even Biblical. Not only that, but they say that the word "essence" is based on pagan philosophy. Please consider the following Catholic references:
1. The Catechism of the Catholic Church says: "In order to articulate the dogma of the Trinity, the Church had to develop her own terminology with the help of certain notions of philosophical origin: "substance" (rendered also at times by *"essence"* or "nature") , "person" or "hypostasis", "relation" and so on."
2. John L. McKenzie, S.J., in his Dictionary of the Bible, says: “The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of ‘person’ and ‘nature’ which are G[ree]k philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible. The trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and others such as *‘essence’* and ‘substance’ were erroneously applied to God by some theologians.”
So, tell me, where in Scripture did you deduce that God is three in person and one in essence? I doubt that you will answer, so let me answer for you. *NOWHERE!!*
the word trinity is not in the holy words proverbs 30:5,6 all who accept the trinity will and have denied the God of Jesus
So omnipresent, omnipotent, Bible, and omnipotent should not be used? Your mind can’t grasp what the true trinity it because you are not searching for true knowledge.
@@footsoldier1188 your job is to not add to the holy words and not question Gods instructions on that
@@bretherenlee1404 then why do you oneness believers call yourself oneness believers if it isn’t biblical? Idc if the word trinity is not in the Bible don’t be a fool it’s an understanding of who God it. We are also 3 in 1. Mind body soul: are these three beings within us? No. Apply that to God. Father Son Holy Spirit. Different beings? No.
@@footsoldier1188 i do not call my self a oneness person and who told you to call God a trinity was it Gor or man?
Jesus is NOT God. He is the radiance of God’s glory, and the exact representation of his being (Hebrews 1:3).
Nobody has ever seen God. People have seen Jesus.
God cannot be tempted. Jesus was tempted.
God demands worship. Jesus desires not to be worshipped.
The immortal God cannot die. Jesus died.
Jesus and the Father are 1
You know nothing
Stop with the twenty milliom fake profiles liking your own comment nutwad loony cult boy hahahabahahhaa
@@iacoponefurio1915 My wife and I are one. According to you, she is me.
Jesus and the Father are one. Jesus is not God. God cannot die, so your sins are not forgiven. My real Jesus died to take on my sin. My sins are forgiven. Thank you God, and thank you Jesus!
He talks much, but he says little.
You couldn't have picked a worse example for that statement. RC Sproul was a very good teacher
@@AdvocateSpirit
Teaching false doctrines.
He doesn´t know Bible and doesn´t believe Jesus´ simple statements.
@@josefrzyman7297 You're exaggerating. You're being emotional. You don't need to be.
You're calling it false doctrine, which is fine I suppose, if you think that's true but you are the one going against the billions of Christians that came before you. You should be the one treading very carefully.
You just disagree with his conclusion. You don't need to say he doesn't agree with Jesus' simple statements. He doesn't read the statements like you do.
The (Trinity) is a lie!
JESUS is the only wise God and Saviour, the blessed and only Potentate, the Almighty.
The word (trinity) is not found in the book of the LORD.
The word (trinity) is not only a vain, idle, perverse, corrupt, filthy word of confusion not found in the book of holy scriptures, it is also a doctrine of devils and a damnable heresy.
Ephesians 5:6
Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Matthew 12:33-37
Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
[34] O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
[35] A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. [36] But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
[37] For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
1 Timothy 6:3-5
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
[4] He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
[5] Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
2 Peter 2:3
And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
Genesis 22:8
And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
John 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Philippians 2:8
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Zechariah 13:6
And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.
John 20:19-20,24-29
Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
[20] And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.
[24] But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
[25] The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
[26] And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
[27] Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
[28] And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
[29] Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Revelation 1:7-8
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. [8] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Job 13:8-10
Will ye accept his person? will ye contend for God?
[9] Is it good that he should search you out? or as one man mocketh another, do ye so mock him?
[10] He will surely reprove you, if ye do secretly accept persons.
John 14:8-9
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
[9] Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
John 8:24-27
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
[25] Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.
[26] I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
[27] They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
1 John 2:23
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
Isaiah 45:21-23
Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
[22] Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
[23] I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Philippians 2:10
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
John 20:28-29
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
[29] Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Malachi 3:6
For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
HA HA HA And what about when Jesus died on the cross?
@@waynehampson9569 what is the question?
@@waynehampson9569 1John 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
@@1516Taylor Jesus and the Father are 1
Undeniable straightforward
@@waynehampson9569 what about when Jesus died on the cross? Read where Jesus was when he spoke with Nicodemus in John 3 line 13 and then read Jeremiah 23:23,24 with Psalm 139 line 8
for the first time in my life I am total satisfied by the explanation of the trinity. thank you sir.
Trinity is demonic copied from paganism polytheism religion which Rome infused in the Creed of Nicea in 325 AD
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Thank you for sharing. God in Three Persons, blessed Trinity.
When attempting to confirm the Trinity in Scripture, for my own satisfaction, I could not find it. Jesus always spoke of the Father and Son as being One, and prayed for us to be One with the two of them, never the three of them. When I saw these Scriptures below, it became entirely clear, Jesus says He and the Father's Spirit “make their abode in us”, not a third person. (There is One God, and His Son Jesus Christ, is the constant profession of Jesus and the Apostles throughout Scripture).
(John 14:16) _And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you _*_another Comforter,_*_ that he may abide with you for ever;_
(John 14:17) _Even *the Spirit of truth;* ...
(John 14:18) _I will not leave you comfortless: _*_I will come to you._*
(John 14:22) Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, *_Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us,_* ...
(John 14:23) Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, ... my Father will love him, and *we will come* unto him, and make *our abode* with him.
(1John 1:3) … _truly our fellowship is with _*_the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ._*
(Ps 51:11) _Cast me not away from _*_thy presence;_*_ and take not _*_thy holy spirit_*_ from me._
Also, it was not unusual for Jesus to refer to Himself in the Third Person (not speaking about a third person, but about Himself):
(John 6:27) _Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for _*_him hath God the Father sealed._*
(John 4:10) _Jesus answered and said unto her, _*_If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee,_*_ Give me to drink; thou wouldest have _*_asked of him, and he would have given thee living water._*
the (trinity) is a damnable heresy. Jesus is the only wise God and Saviour, the blessed and only Potentate, the head of all principality and power, the everlasting Father, the mighty God, the Comforter which is the Holy Ghost, the Almighty
@@1516TaylorJesus is God. Trinity is not a damnable heresy… Oneness doesn’t make sense because you can’t defend the hard passages. Trinity believe in ONE GOD. We understand scripture through what it says..Exodus 6:4 - THERE IS ONE GOD. God is ONE. Not another.
That 1 God revealed himself THROUGH HIS SON … WHO IS ONE WITH THE FATHER.
Who sent Jesus? Did he send himself? You won’t be able to answer because In order for someone to send someone else.. you need a second party participating by English definition. You ready answer some my questions?
@@TalkingOutOfSchoolmany passages taken out of context.
My best understanding of the Trinity is based on the metaphor of the tetrahedron. It has four sides, representing how the one God reveals himself as God, Father, Son, Spirit. We serve one God. If you hold a tetrahedron in your hand, you hold one object, representing the One God. The distinctiveness of the persons is preserved since the one object has four facets. The distinct facets are also part of the integral whole while yet being separate. If the tetrahedron is made of transparent glass, you can look through one facet and across to see a different facet facing the inside. This explains how Jesus could say to Phillip, if you have seen me (looking through the transparent Jesus facet), you have seen the Father, (the Father facet). A perfect metaphorical illustration of the Trinity can be found in a transparent glass tetrahedron. Easy... God presents himself as each separate facet singly, or as a combination of facets. For example, if you hold the object so you are looking directly down on it, you will see three facets, Father, Son, Spirit. This is how God presents himself at Jesus’ baptism: Jesus in the water, the Father speaking from heaven, and the Holy Spirit descending as a dove, all three present, yet distinct at the same time. Another example is when Jesus was praying the high priestly prayer in the garden. There, the object is turned to show two facets, the Father and the Son. There are fourteen such combinations of facets that reveal God in the scriptures. (P) What about Jehovah of the O.T.? The name Jehovah is so holy that people of New Testament times never used that word. Instead, they used the word, "Lord". These days, Jews will say, "hashem", the "Name", or the "tetragrammaton", or some other substitute word. When a Christian confesses that "Jesus is Lord" at baptism, they are actually saying, "Jesus is Jehovah". Jehovah went through kenosis and came to earth as a helpless baby so he could die on the cross for our salvation.
I have a difficulty understanding how 1+1+1 doesn't equal THREE. If this actually is God's philosophy then he would have stated it plainly. You shouldn't have to piece together bits and pieces from multiple verses. The meaning of the Shema is plain in the Old Testament and equally plain when Jesus used it himself. A prime example of straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel
God is a hyper-dimensional being, he had to have been to create a hyper-dimensional universe, and ultimately so are all the persons of the Trinity. Since we need to understand and affirm higher math to conceive of the essence of God so must we with the equations: 1+1+1=3, but 1x1x1=1. God exists and relates to Himself and everything else on that level, and can be understood like this in many ways. For instance, we as 3-D beings cannot truly mentally conceive of a tesseract (a 4-D hyper-cube), but we know from the dimensional layers of this universe that such an object can truly exist. There is a great book "Christ Before the Manger : The Life and Times of the Preincarnate Christ"
by Ron Rhodes that discusses this concept in great and wondrous depth. I highly recommend it!
Another rather crude example would be water: it can be ice, liquid, or steam: 3 forms, 1 element. It is hard to truly describe such complexities, but the subject being God, I am sure it would be truly impossible to completely comprehend such an infinitely sophisticated being. As a matter of fact, if I as a mortal creature were able to completely comprehend Him, then I would not believe him to be God anyway. One interesting point, this way God was/is/will be never lonely, He always had eternal communion with Himself from all eternity, even before the creation of the universe the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit had perfect fellowship, so I am sure He did not create us out of some sort desperation, but ultimately out of love. God does not have relationship issues, lol. Again, from a Biblical point of view with a lot of Scripture to back it up, I recommend that book by Ron Rhodes, thanks!
@@mr.gaming6277 "If anyone imagines that he knows something, he does not yet know as he ought to know." - 1 Corinthians 8:2
While it is right to counterargue against the "1+1+1=1" charge by pointing out that the manner of oneness is not the same as the manner of threeness, we should not so readily presume we can fit the distinction between these two manners into human rationalistic categories.
For example, there are scripture passages which, when addressing the *uniqueness* of God, convey something akin to a uniqueness of person (e.g. Isaiah 43:10-11, Isaiah 44:24, Isaiah 36:9).
@@mr.gaming6277 it’s not that it’s hard to get, it’s that the Bible never identifies God as such. The Bible never says God is three persons, the Bible never says anything about three persons existing in one essence, the Bible never says these things. That’s the problem with the trinity .
@@justifan who taught you math? Lol
Hello
Jesus is the Messiah
The Son of God
The Son of David
The Son of man
The man God has chosen to be his anointed king
The man God will judge the world through
The man God raised from the dead
Jesus has a God
There is no triune god in scripture
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
Of Course you pick and Choose. Jesus is not the The Son of David is from the Root of David
John 17:3 why leave 1 and 2 i why because it proves Jesus is God
John 8:58 John 10:30 Sorry sir
Jesus can’t be only be Son of God or Bible as a contradiction and it doesn’t aslo Isaiah 9:5
@@LitoLochoss
Hello
Thanks for responding!
Root of David means the root or “shoot” that springs up from the stump of David because it was cut down
Imagine a tree cut to a stump, then a root springs up from the stump and grows
Jesus has a God
You can’t be God and have a God?
@@mitchellc4 Sir is idc about you’re tree explanation Read Matthew 1 if you’re bothered by my answer
How can God have a God Because Jesus is the meditator between God and man Him being Both allows Us of The flesh to be able reconcile God and being adopted as his Children and understanding his children while being afflicted with temptation. Jesus purchased authority on the cross over everything Spirit is poured out Is because of Jesus There reason Jesus nobody can come to the Father except true Him because he The one who gives eternal life. God cannot share is glory why would he give it to a simple man because The man is not simple is God Almighty in Flesh
@@LitoLochoss
Hello
Thanks for responding!
So Jesus is God and has a God?
Jesus is God who has a God?!
Who is Jesus’s God?
@@mitchellc4 Yes His Father because he was his Word John 1:1
I think it's an insult to try to box God into this small 1-dimensional box where He's not multifaceted and His being doesn't go beyond human comprehension.
Nobody's boxing anything in anywhere!
You're making it sound like it's an opinion! Trust me on this one, after you've been studying reformed theology for over 10 years, you clearly start realizing that out of all 66 books of the Bible, you can't find one scripture that cares what humans think!
So please don't get it twisted, and don't find out the hard way!
They don't call Him "God the Father" for nothing!
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Sincerely, I feel like this is one teaching that is just not convincing in the slightest, especially if we are relying solely on scripture. It's way too convoluted, and is never clearly stated within scripture. John 1:1 is the most convincing, but besides that everything seems to point to 3 separate and unequal beings. (The Father, the son, and the holy ghost respectively). If anything the opposite is taught with Jesus clearly distinguishing himself from the father; praying to the father, how the father is greater than he, that he himself was begotten, that he had a beginning, that only the father knew things that he the son didn't.
You're right that the Son is distinguished from the Father. And yet the Son is unequivocaly identified as God (Hebrews 1:8). The Scriptures explicitly say Jesus did *not* have a beginning, because he was *in* the beginning with God (John 1:1). Prior to the incarnation, Jesus had a conscious existence and was in the form of, and equal with, God (Philippians 2:5-7). Jesus is not created, because all of creation was performed by or through him (John 1:3, Hebrews 1:2, Colossians 1:16, Ephesians 3:9 KJV).
If Jesus is not created, it means he is the creator, and therefore God. We see this in Revelation 5:13 where every created being gives worship to both God and the Lamb, worship that is only due to God specifically because he is the creator (compare Revelation 4:11). Combine all of this with the fact that the Holy Spirit is included in the divine name (Matthew 28:19), is referred to as God (Acts 5:3-4), is personified and can speak (John 14-16, all throughout Acts) we are forced into something like the trinity by the Scriptures. There is one God, and yet that one God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and that there is conscious distinction between these persons and that they are equal (John 5:18, the Son is explicitly equal with the Father).
I used to be nontrinitarian, but it really does pulse through every page of the New Testament. Hope this helps a little. Also Jesus was only "lesser" than the Father for the purposes of the incarnation, as he was equal with God prior to the incarnation in Philippians 2, and shared glory with the Father before creation despite God not giving his glory to another (compare John 17:5, Isaiah 42:8).
Sorry, Jesus isn’t God, nor equal to God. He called our God and Father his God and Father at John 20:17.
This is a lie from hell, one you would easily avoid if you just read your Bible.
John 8:58
[58] Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
I hope you know that I am is the covenant name that God gave to Moses. And the Jews knew it which is why in the next verse it says that the Jews picked up stones to stone Jesus.
Philippians 2:5-6
Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,
This verse completely dismantles the lie you’re telling that Jesus Christ is not God not equal to Him.
Hebrews 1:8
But of the Son He says,
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
And the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom.
Here we have God the Father calling God the Son God
@@abject_geek
I suggest before you pass judgement you do the following. Listen to as many teachings like RC’s then write down everything you think is important. Then ask yourself is this true or could there be alternative views?
Don’t go to the usual knocking of the JW’s and other cults but do your own research. There are many excellent teachings on the internet. Write down what they say and then compare your notes. You may be surprised at what you find.
@@abject_geek
Something to think about:
What if…….
Jesus was created? In fact, he is the firstborn of all creation (Colossians 1:15), repeated at
Rev 3:14 “To the angel of the congregation in La·o·di·ceʹa write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God:”
Is Jesus not the Amen?
Proverbs 8:22 “Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way, The earliest of his achievements of long ago.”
Hmmm…..Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way…….
Who is the way?
John 14:6 “Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.””
If Proverbs 8:22 isn’t talking about Jesus, then who is it talking about?
Please continue with Proverbs 8:30 “Then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time;”
Who could this be?
It sounds like God the Father, Jehovah, who has no beginning, first created the son (see above), then, the son, being God’s master worker (Contractor, sub-contractor, as it were😀), created everything else.
John 1:3 “All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.”
I’m going to repeat Jesus’ words to Satan when he tried to tempt him at
Matthew 4:10 “Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’””
I reiterate, just as Jesus did,
“HIM ALONE YOU MUST RENDER SACRED SERVICE”
..not a contradiction.. ..mmmmm hmmmm.. ..3 is 1 and 1 is 3.. ..1 person is 3 persons and 3 persons is 1 person.. ..we don't worship 3 people....we worship 1 person manifested in 3 persons but trust me we really worship 1 person.. ..well yes of course Jesus is NOT the father and the father IS NOT Jesus and neither of them are the Holy Spirit cuz the holy spirit is a different person.. ..but we worship one God trust me.. ..oh and all three of these persons which is really one person.....each of these persons has their own individual consciousness and their own individual hearts.. ..they actually talk to each other.. ..and there are two thrones.. ..or maybe three.. ..but trust me we worship 1 singular person.. ..well.. ..oops I mean one singular being because a being isn't a person and within this being there are 3 persons.. ..but we only worship one God.. ..and this God is 3 persons......not one person one being.. ..get it.. ..oh.. ..like a team.. ..like three persons make up the God team.. ..like 3 players make up a team.. ..lies.. ..wothout controversy great is the mystery of godliness......that GOD MANIFEST IN THE FLESH.. ..one man....one person.. ..one human being.. ..JESUS CAME AS THE SON AND WILL RETURN AS THE FATHER.. ..JESUS IS THE I AM.. ..JESUS IS THE FATHER.........just ask phillip..
Since us humans are made of mind body and soul. Are each of those three different beings? NO. God’s “mind body and soul” is the Father Son and Holy Spirit. Don’t be a fool bro
If Jesus is the father why is he praying to the father?
@@clemensschonmalwasthatistd3254 ..prior to the death, ressurection and glorification Jesus was God in the flesh.. ..being God in the Flesh he was the son with the limitations of man because he freely and willingly emptied himself.. ..after the ressurection and ascension he was glorified to what trinitarians would call God the Father.. ..that is why Jesus spoke to the father for he was not yet glorified as the father..
@@cddpmpls35 why is Paul writing to the Romans "to all who are beloved of God in Rome, called as saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."
(Romans 1:7 NASB1995) And also many other passages don't seem like Jesus is now away and there is just the father. There is no evidence in scripture for what you wrote and I don't think it makes more sense
@@footsoldier1188 why stop at mind, body, and soul (3 parts) when the Bible teaches a person is mind, body, soul, and spirit (at least 4 basic parts, and it doesn't stop at 4 parts if you read the Bible in hebrew)?
The Bible does not teach the trinity. The trinity originates from pagan religions.
Jesus was dead for 3 days. He could not have been dead and be God. God cannot die. If he was God that would mean he really didn't die, which would mean there really was no sacrifice as death is required for sacrifice.
So clearly Jesus was not God
There is a book "Christ Before the Manger : The Life and Times of the Preincarnate Christ"
by Ron Rhodes that discusses the Biblical concept of the triune God in great and wondrous depth. I highly recommend it!
@@justifan I've already read through that book and it makes some good observations. In fact I think the Book does a good job of disproving the idea that Jesus is God or involved in a trinity.
Let us make man in our own image. How about that?
@@TheGospelAssociates Jesus was alive before God made man. Jesus helped God and participated in creation. The Bible refers to Jesus as a master worker in heaven
@@bobwellington7580 so according to you god is weak and need the help of his creature to do everything?