At this point, the low-floor platforms and LRVs needs to be replaced with high-floor platforms and rolling stocks even if it means replacing LRT services with busses temporarily. Since there are many stations that uses side platforms configurations, upgrades can be phased in where one station would be the transition point with one platform upgraded to high floor and the other still original low floor. Low and high floor rolling stocks be operated simultaneously. Transition point would be at side platform stations with changeovers and/or crossovers nearby. Once a station is fully upgraded, when relocating transition point, bus services would fill in the gap until transition point relocation to another side platform station is complete or all upgrades are complete.
Now that they know the cause I think you'll see it running sooner rather than later and you've been very patient. "Everything worthwhile is worth the wait." 💐Stay well compatriot, the future's beginning to look a little better here.
@@jumbome7420 Well then, let's hope for the best. It seems the only thing to be grateful for in this country is that we don't have missiles falling on our heads, yet.
You can hear the absolute _grinding_ that takes place whenever the train passes through any area that has a restraining rail. It was a lot quieter over the the next few weeks after the long shutdown, but I'm assuming things shifted around a bit with temperature. I'll be honest, I have no idea what codes or regulations requires the use of these rails in Canada/US, but from what I understand, these wheels where designed assuming said restraining rails didn't exist. So... why do we have them if they're causing more problems than they solve? Can't we just rip them out?
The back of the flange is (almost) never supposed to contact the restraining wheel. What you are probably hearing/feeling is a combination of the bogies “hunting” on the curve, the wheel flanges touching the outside rail (TTC streetcars do this on all curves) and corrugation of the railhead. The latter needs to be ground smooth on a monthly to yearly basis on curves.
@@Condorcounter Don't bogies hunting the curve make a higher-pitch screeching sound? This isn't the same sound. Again, what leads me to believe that the restraining rail is what's causing the excessive lateral forces is that the low-pitch grinding noise went away for a bit after the restraining rails where loosened, but the noise came back after the city had started having the big temperature fluctuations at the beginning of fall. I know I might be making correlations where they don't exist. But adjusting the restraining rails to ensure that the flange doesn't make contact was what took so long for full service to be restored. They adjusted all the restraining rails by a couple mm's to meet the "no contact" requirement, but, well, that's still within how much a track can warp as temperature changes.
Yes, they have installed “bugs” to listen for vibrations of this type, but nothing “sensed” yet. Remember there have only been three such bearing failures so far and because they are now doing frequent preventive maintenance, they may not have any more failures. For a long time.
Ottawa's haunted train ride. Here's is where 1000 little 🐷 piggies 🐷 were sacrificed and some say you can still here them squealing at all times of the day and night when you approach HuUuRrRrdman station😱👻🐷🐖🐽
Is this a bespoke solution for Ottawa trains? Wondering how we got here... Seems like a pretty integral part to malfunction this way unless it was brand new tech.
My Sons when young invented better working mechanics with legos and kinder surprises than the Engineers who built this contraption. I'm just grateful the causes have been found, nobody's been killed and we all can finally grumble less and get back to normal quicker, hopefully.
Jim Watson should get arrested, he probably would have been arrested if this bs happened in any other country
So the bearing hub failed and the wheel let go. Similar to the failure that sometimes sends a wheel flying off a car or truck on the highway.
At this point, the low-floor platforms and LRVs needs to be replaced with high-floor platforms and rolling stocks even if it means replacing LRT services with busses temporarily. Since there are many stations that uses side platforms configurations, upgrades can be phased in where one station would be the transition point with one platform upgraded to high floor and the other still original low floor. Low and high floor rolling stocks be operated simultaneously. Transition point would be at side platform stations with changeovers and/or crossovers nearby. Once a station is fully upgraded, when relocating transition point, bus services would fill in the gap until transition point relocation to another side platform station is complete or all upgrades are complete.
This is crazy. So is this an engineering fault? And is it on all wheels on all cars?
Biggest issue is on the powered bogies at the ends of the train. The 3 idling bogies in the middle modules seem to have less / no issue.
@@Condorcounter thanks for responding with an answer.
Lol on time and on budget was the corrupt watsons words. It will be years if ever the LRT runs properly
Now that they know the cause I think you'll see it running sooner rather than later and you've been very patient.
"Everything worthwhile is worth the wait."
💐Stay well compatriot, the future's beginning to look a little better here.
@@rinalore9416 very true. However on the news today they stated the fix wouldn’t come till 2026
@@jumbome7420
It couldn't be because the Government doesn't have the $money$ for the🚄repairs,🤦🏻♀️could it?
@@rinalore9416 No because the government isn’t paying for the repairs . The train company is responsible for that
@@jumbome7420
Well then, let's hope for the best. It seems the only thing to be grateful for in this country is that we don't have missiles falling on our heads, yet.
You can hear the absolute _grinding_ that takes place whenever the train passes through any area that has a restraining rail. It was a lot quieter over the the next few weeks after the long shutdown, but I'm assuming things shifted around a bit with temperature. I'll be honest, I have no idea what codes or regulations requires the use of these rails in Canada/US, but from what I understand, these wheels where designed assuming said restraining rails didn't exist. So... why do we have them if they're causing more problems than they solve? Can't we just rip them out?
The back of the flange is (almost) never supposed to contact the restraining wheel. What you are probably hearing/feeling is a combination of the bogies “hunting” on the curve, the wheel flanges touching the outside rail (TTC streetcars do this on all curves) and corrugation of the railhead. The latter needs to be ground smooth on a monthly to yearly basis on curves.
@@Condorcounter Don't bogies hunting the curve make a higher-pitch screeching sound? This isn't the same sound. Again, what leads me to believe that the restraining rail is what's causing the excessive lateral forces is that the low-pitch grinding noise went away for a bit after the restraining rails where loosened, but the noise came back after the city had started having the big temperature fluctuations at the beginning of fall. I know I might be making correlations where they don't exist. But adjusting the restraining rails to ensure that the flange doesn't make contact was what took so long for full service to be restored. They adjusted all the restraining rails by a couple mm's to meet the "no contact" requirement, but, well, that's still within how much a track can warp as temperature changes.
Yes, they have installed “bugs” to listen for vibrations of this type, but nothing “sensed” yet. Remember there have only been three such bearing failures so far and because they are now doing frequent preventive maintenance, they may not have any more failures. For a long time.
The 'higher than expected loads' were just a full train. I suppose they never expected a full train
Ottawa's haunted train ride. Here's is where 1000 little 🐷 piggies 🐷 were sacrificed and some say you can still here them squealing at all times of the day and night when you approach HuUuRrRrdman station😱👻🐷🐖🐽
Is this a bespoke solution for Ottawa trains? Wondering how we got here... Seems like a pretty integral part to malfunction this way unless it was brand new tech.
the simple for some rocket science for the rest
These are pretty complex engineering designs for light weight, high speed and low floor! Almost rocket science.
@@Condorcounter IC a simple failure of a collet from maintaining thrust washer spacing no?
It makes the sound of piglettes squealing.
Trains have been around for hundreds of years now and Watson decided it was a good idea to go with the trains that reinvented the wheel.
Didn’t invent the wheel, he/they demanded a low floor, high speed bogie.
My Sons when young invented better working mechanics with legos and kinder surprises than the Engineers who built this contraption.
I'm just grateful the causes have been found, nobody's been killed and we all can finally grumble less and get back to normal quicker, hopefully.
Are there vibration sensors to signal an earky warning for suxh failures?