I hate to be a party pooper…but the league seems great…because it’s so bad. All these teams suck and tank three weeks into the season. All these young players do is jack up threes and play not a lick of defense. Scores are like 134-128 these nights.
The Pacers seem more like a good playoff team than the Jazz, or even the Nets, the Raptors or the Hawks. They have a balanced roster, they added Bruce Brown and were already really good last year when healthy.
Ehhh I don’t think they did enough to make it in the play-in. Their young players need more time to improve. People overrating the Pacers, setting them up for failure
@@CarnagexSena It is a fact that they were on a trajectory for a playoff seat last season, considering their win-rate and strength of schedule, before Haliburton got hurt. How you want to interpret their chances or think if they are ready or not is not what I'm argueing. I'll leave that to people that follow the team full time. They certainly were very capable of it last year and their team hasn't got worse. With no teams tanking for Wemby anymore, it might actually be a harder race this season, even though they should be a decent amount better. My argument is that they are equally likely to make the playoffs (not just the play-in) than those 3 teams mentioned, meaning they should go higher on the tier list. I would say they are more likely, from my perspective, given the season for the Nets, Raptors and Hawks is extremely uncertain.
I think where you have the Cavs right now is perfect. Still good, but they need to prove themselves after last years playoffs. That being said I could really see a huge boost to that squad if garland takes a small jump, Mobley averages 18-20ppg along with this new shooting depth that they acquired. They are a sneaky contender and I am so excited for them this season
1. Kyle Washington lol 2. The Hornets will be better than that this year. 2 seasons ago when the whole roster wasn’t hurt, 43 wins. Add a legit center to that team in Mark Williams, and a 2nd overall pick in Brandon Miller. Don’t forget LaMelo had that team at 43 wins with Mason Plumle as the starting center. Mark Williams is a legit all defensive team candidate with a full season as the starting center. If you’re taking last season into account then you’re already failing to see this teams true talent. No one was healthy at the same time. The starting lineup of LaMelo, Rozier, Hayward, PJ, and Mark with Oubre as the 6th man played only 3 games last season. In those 3 games they went 2-1. Last season was the worst possible situation for the team. If you actually take time to research the Hornets last season you would see this seasons team is not the same team as last seasons team.
I'm not surprised the Hornets are in D tier. I really hope the Brandon Miller pick doesn't turn out to be another Kidd-Gilchrist type pick for the Hornets, but I'm not even sure the Hornets would be good even if Miller turns out to be good. The team always knows how to squander high end talent no matter who it is.
I really wish I could not be a Hornets fan for a hour just so I can see the flaws in this team that everyone else sees. Personally I cant see a roster with: An at worst top 15 point guard in Lamelo capable of being given a nod to be a all star replacement A solid shooter in Rozier who really is just as solid as any other shooter a playoff team wants on their roster A number 2 pick that was literally consensus top 3 in supposedly "projected one of the deepest draft classes in NBA history" the guys most frequent compliments are elite shooting and being a 6'9" wing who can do it all outside of create his own shot. A solid stretch 4 in PJ Washington than even Dallas and potentially the cavs wanted A center in Mark Williams that was really good as a rookie definsively and only got better as the season went on and his role got bigger Cody Martin and Nick Richards simply just being solid bench players at their position Miles bridges at minimum be a good bench player coming off of a year away from being a borderline all star in alot of people eyes, I mean I always felt his was at best a decent starter. But as a bench guy he would be really good at the 3 spot. Hayward simply throwing him on the bench and keeping him healthy would undoubtly make him one of the best six mans in the NBA that right there is a solid 9 man rotation on paper the only thing the team lacks is a back up point guard.
@@RealJuiceWrld Well I mean when your rebuilding and your three best players are year 4, year 2, and a rookie im not expecting them to contend for a title...but I do think they are 6 seed this year at minimum feel free to roast me if im wrong.
@@RicetheCaptainthis will help. Look at how talented all the other teams are and then compare them to the Hornets. Just do it one by one and you will see how many teams are better than them. I don’t think they are a bottom 3, but they aren’t special either
@@Shortballa11 I have many times already thats why I said I wish I wasnt a fan soI could see what other do. My opinion on paper (In order) for the east just to save time. S tier BOS, MIL, CLE A Tier MIA PHI B tieir NYK CLT ATL IND CHI C tier ORL BRK DET TOR D tier WAS last year they won 14 games somehow and now they basically retooled the entire roster with better players due to injuries. They also won 40 games with Miles Bridges as our second best player and a garbage roster. This roster is actually a good young roster that is good enough but could actually get better over the season.
@@jefferydahmer3747 I don’t think Suns will be a threat. I just wonder about losing Bruce Brown, if it doesn’t impact them very hard, they most likely repeat. Because other teams haven’t changed much in the off season.
@@bornaghadamzan2223 true either the suns are gonna be super good or super bad thats how i see it and yeah like you said they could repeat but it depends on how big of a hit they took with losing brown
@@jefferydahmer3747 The main reason I think that the Suns aren’t gonna do much is because you cannot find a single true win at any cost mindset player. KD, Book and beal aren’t natural born winners.
So miami beat Bucks and celtics to get to the finals and have a winning record against them the last 4 years and they are still ahead of miami? Even with the potential addition of Dame?....someone please explain this to me
Miami lost most of the players that made those runs and they don’t have dame yet. The Celtics have only gotten better while the heat have continued to downgrade there roster each year. Idk about the bucks tho
@mountaindew7701 miami have made the finals twice in the last 4 years and one year ECF. They've been consistently competitive. And the core remains...gabe and strus were not the reason for their success...
Pretty good breakdown. So as per your tier stature, unless something goes wrong in S or A tier, or very right for a team in the B tier, the 8 playoff teams in the West are all clearly in the S or A tier. I can live with that
This Kings team has maybe the biggest gap between their ceiling and floor out if all the teams. I wouldn't be shocked if we saw some regression and they finished like 7th in the west, but I also wouldn't be shocked if they were Greatest Show on Court 2.0
Having Brooklyn/Chicago/Toronto (all fringe play-in teams IMO), in the same tier as Dallas and Sacramento, who have way higher ceilings, is insane to me. The West is just so much more stacked even if those teams finish in similar areas in their respective conferences
I think the Pacers are going to win 42-45 games. They were really good last year when healthy. I love their roster additions. I think they're ready to make the jump and will finish between 6th and 10th.
Pacers, at worst, are a play-in team. With a 5-6 spot realistic. #1 scoring bench in the NBA last year and their starting rotation got better. People are going to sleep, but will be forced to wake up really quick.
Aslong as players stay atleast mostly healthy, Pacers can seriously surpise a lot of people. Im hopin for a 45+ win season as a floor. And theyve said that Winning is the goal now.
@@danielwalker6909 I don't personally see what makes that so foolish. Only reason pacers record was as bad as it was, was because Hali got injured and I think missed about 12-15ish games, maybe more? I can't remember. They lost like, all but 2 of those games. Couple that with the fact they were sortve tanking towards the end of the year. They'll definitely achieve bare minimum 40 wins and 10 more wins above last year's win total of 35 doesn't seem outlandish aslong as the 24 yr old allstar averaging 20&10 improves even a little and Mathurin takes a potential jump. The bench is stacked and they theoretically improved their biggest flaw, defense, with the moves they made this off-season. With the upsides of Hali, Mathurin, and other improving, the additions made this off-season, the weakening of a couple top 6 Eastern conference teams, the fact they only lost as many games as they did last year due to injury, the stated goal to be a winning team, and the fact everyone and their mom is counting out the Pacers, all those things would lead me to believe this could be a bigger yesr than anyone is telling you or I. I don't think they really do anything special in the playoffs, but this could still prove to be a good team aslong as the main dudes stay relatively healthy.
@@danielwalker6909 I mean, it's like barely two paragraphs lol why even comment anything if any comment past 2 sentences makes you're brain give out? If that's all it takes then you're opinion means less than jackshit
Eh I don’t think there is a significant gap or at all between the lakers and the S tier teams simply with health which they’re now and the new acquisitions but other than that I see your points
Mavericks have put a lot of effort this offseason into the defensive side of the ball, with the addition of grant williams and the drafting of two prospects who specialize on defense in Derrick lively and O-Max. If Lively can get a starting spot and be good defensively, this team could be scary in the postseason. We do have to actually see it though so I don’t blame you for putting them in B, I just have blind faith as a fan that they have what it takes to be an A tier team this season.
It's hard to say until we know where Lilard, Harden and Siakam (among others) will be playing next year. Clippers with Westbrook, Harden, PG, and Kawai would be S tiers for me as well as Miami with Lilard. Dallas really needs to step up in the post 3 4 5. Luka and Kyrie deserve better than playin. Good list with current data.
Even if the Clippers get Harden, they won't be S-Tier. There's no way they stay healthy. I'll be happy to be proven wrong, but I have to be proven wrong.
@@shorewallHarden, Lebron, KD, and some others are still talented, but decidedly on the “heading down the western slope” part of their careers. Not non factors, but not deciding factors
People still consider Clippers as contenders in 2023? 🤦 You saw Lob City. You saw what happened in the bubble. You saw what happened in the 2021 WCF. Clippers are not that team.
Your underrating the pacers so much. Pacers could easily be top 7-5 in the east. Last season they were 6th seed until haliburton got hurt. They were really good at offense but had no defense. This off-season they added walker, brown, and toppin!
This was a really good video. It explains every factor that is important without dragging on too long. Really impressed with the quality of this video. It's perfect for someone who hasn't been following the nba for a while and has gotten back into it. Concise but doesn't miss substance.
The big 3 way trade between the Suns, Portland and Milwaukee took place after this video was made and the Suns getting Nurkic was huge. He is fitting in perfectly with that team. The Suns/Nuggets series is what I can’t wait to watch.
@@moisturizedkevYeah but his Hornets ranking doesn't make much sense. Last year was just the most cursed season I've seen for a team in ages. Bridges out all year, Ball goes down early, then Rozier, then Hayward, then Oubre. They had basically no significant stretches of healthy basketball and obviously missed their second best player all year. Assuming they avoid THAT, Bridges stays onnthe straight and narrow, and Miller is just a solid rookie, there's no way they should be THAT bad.
@@Nuvendil I mean….. I hear you, but “no way” is a stretch lol- it’s not like anyone you named has winning experience… they’re still very young and unproven.
@@moisturizedkev I'm not talking about championships here. I'm talking mid 30s to mid 40s wins, which is what they did before last season. And it's the next tier up.
the Pacer are going to be really good this season if everyon stays healthy their biggest problem was the PF spot they got Obi whos most likely starting and they also got jarace walker and believe me when i tell you their backcourt is kinda stacked with guys like tyrese hield nembhard TJ and now bruce brown we also could see mathurin improving by being more consistent at the SF and Myles Turner is a C who blocks shots spaces the floor and is a really nice defensive anker
Glad to see you didn't have Houston at the bottom of the barrel! I think they're gonna surprise a lot of folks this year! I think their ceiling is reaching the play in game, and maybe a 35 win team at worst!
They were first in the west when Zion was healthy last season and gave the Suns a run for their money in the first round a couple years ago without Zion. Healthy pels team is definitely A tier but will probably not be as per usual
the heat are already better than last year even without Dame, have winning records on boston and milwaukee, and still gets placed on a tier lower than them….okay
Agreed with everything except Phoenix. I think they’re not a great defensive team with Beal on the floor, and I question his fit, his chemistry with the other two stars. They did add some good role players though.
I have faith that the Hornets will be much better this year, at least C tier. They’re being slept on IMO, and it’s not surprising given their performance last year. However, they have a lot of young talent, some that should be maturing this year. People also just flat out forget about Mark Williams who is making his presence felt on defense. Playoffs or bust!
AGREED! Last seasons record was not an accurate representation of the Hornets talent. There’s at least 10 reasons I can think of off the top of my head as to why they’re going to be so much better this year.
Why is he talking about a gap? If anybody actually watched the playoffs rather than only look at numbers or results on screen there is no gap. If you want to say Denver is in S fine. They won. But to have Celtics (who needed ref robbery + had a ton of silly losses whole season), old Bucks & Phoenix who went out in the 2nd round ahead of Lakers and Heat who beat those teams/ got to the finals and conference finals is crazy. Who do Phoenix have thats gonna stop anybody? They're basically the Iso Nets 2.0. A rinse and repeat of the Harden Durant Irving era.
Not hate at all I love your videos. But just with predictions of any sport is there is always a couple surprises. A team or two always comes from no where to climb up. Just as like theres always a team that can drop. Sac and the Knicks did it last year just off the time of my head But love the videos mate. Keep up the good work
I agree with your assessment completely. I do think if the Clipps get the Harden trade done without giving up their depth, they will move up to the S tier, but we will see.
Putting pels in A but OKC is B? Okc beat Nola in the play in. You can argue no zion for most of the season but okc also didn't have chet. Idk I'm not vying for okc to be A but maybe knock the pels down to B as well. I get for video perspective purposes having soo many teams in B makes it too crowded but just my thoughts. Love the videos btw
A tier is terrible. Pel’s, Lakers, Clippers, GSW, Cleveland & NY all out. Dallas improved on D. They needed 3 defensive stops a game last year to win 20 more games. They got the stops. Minnesota up also.
I have the Lakers at S-tier. This is probably the best supporting cast LeBron has had during his entire tenure with the Lakers. The 2020 Lakers were dominant in the West and in the post-season. Health is obviously a factor but LeBron is still playing at a high level and there's just no discounting the amount of experience and leadership that he brings to the team. AD was on another level defensively in this most recent post-season so he just had to replicate that, at least for this next post-season. The Lakers resigned almost all of their core guys and added nice pieces on bargain contracts with high/good upside to round out the rest of the roster. The Lakers have the salary flexibility to make a big move at the trade deadline and they're a top destination for any attractive buyout targets that may pop up. They got to the conference finals despite only being together for a few months. They were also only within a possession or two away in every game against the eventual champions despite many of their players underperforming and LeBron with only one good foot. Now they'll have a whole season together and they just have to perform a little better in the post-season this time around. With a little luck, LeBron won't return from a foot injury a couple of games before the post-season starts this time around.
Doggy...... OKC will finish top 3 in the NBA. That team is terrifying. Without even adding Chet i think theyd improve 6 to 8 games. With Chet... and that depth... yoooooo, its scary.
this is bias af cuz I'm a raptors fan but the raptors got a underrated, well rounded, deep squad this year. I would say Schroder is an upgrade over Fred cuz he'll actually make plays and not just chuck up 3s. Dallas has no defense.
Dallas improved their defence a lot though. Only 2 years ago they had the 6th best defensive ratimg in the league. Grant Williams is an excellent pick up, fit again Kleber and Josh Green improving will help. I know they can't rely on rookies in their first season but Lively will be excellent defensively as will Omax Prosper as a long wing
@@shale3768 the OP meant the raptors are not on the mavs level. and i agree. dallas were 4th for the longest time before giving away their depth, and now they reloaded. meanwhle the raptors are a team most known for being the auction house for the hawks
@@LuisLRC yeah I just don't think they have a solid team around Luka and Kyrie. If Luka and Kyrie were amazing at defence then that's a different story but right now they don't have enough defensive pieces to make up for it. You can't outscore mediocre defence. Also, like he said, raptors could rank anywhere between 4th to 10th in the eastern conference, it's hard to tell at this point.
@@shale3768 western conference finals team in 2022 vs this team luka/luka kyrie/brunson tim hardaway junior/ dinwidie josh green/ reggie bullock kleber/kleber grant williams/ dorian finney smith powel/ powel seth curry/ davis bertans derick jones junior/ trey burke jaden hardy/ frank nkilikina richuan holmes/ boban marjanovic derick lively, exum and omax prosper/ literally nobodies top to bottom the roster is better. only person you can argue is dinwidie. and on top of that the 2022 team was 7th in defense, so they can easily go back to that. stop being delusional
I was prepared to clown this listing but after watching I agree with where you put every team. Phoenix and Boston based off of pure talent, Milwaukee and Denver because they’re built different.
The Wolves are underrated, a.k.a. they will win 50 games because they underperform when they are expected to be good and overperform when they are expected to suck(well, occasionally). The Pels and the Kings are SO overrated and the Nets should be a tier below.
I personally disagree with the suns being an S tier team. Please comment logically if you disagree, but here is my rational: The suns look like a talented team on paper but they lack a strong defensive backbone. What player on this team is considered a high end defensive player? Who is the vocal leader and tone setter on this team? With all this offensive power their three stars are all ball dominant which means their offense has a level of diminished returns while non of those stars even if you include ayton are not the high end defenders, you can devate that thier not bad defneders but none of them are in the high tier defensive category.
I get what you're saying, I just don't think it will be as big of a factor as you're making it out to be. I think you're underestimating how hard it will be for teams to keep up with them on the offensive end. Booker, Durant, and Beal can easily create their own shot. When doubled they can then hit Ayton down low or Gordon/Yuta on the perimeter. IMO the only thing potentially stopping them will be injuries.
I’m gonna be honest, I think the Lakers should be S tier. They made a run to the conference finals with a team they put together at the trade deadline. That team only looks better this season and they have a year to work together. I see them as a bigger threat than an aging Bucks or the Suns
Not that they aren't valid, but everyone always blows AD's injury concerns out of proportion compared to guys who miss a similar amount or more games. Like Zion has averaged like 20games a season the past few years, but Pels are still A tier, while AD just had his healthiest season since 2020 with a full playoff push/run
I’m not gonna pretend I don’t make fun of Day to Davis all the time but you’re 100% right. AD when healthy is a top 10 player and even has flashes of being a top 5. He’s also played more games over the last two seasons than Steph or KD. He gets way too much heat for no reason. Hopefully this season will go better for him, especially since he can rest cause LeBron is exempt from the load managements rules cause of his age and the addition of Christian Wood. Wood, Rui, and Vanderbilt will hopefully be able to take more of the defensive load from AD to make his job a bit easier. I don’t even normally care for the Lakers, AD, or LeBron but I kinda do want to see them win this season. Giannis and Steph are my favourite players but I don’t think this Warriors team has it in them without some crazy trade for someone like Siakam and I kinda want Giannis to leave Milwaukee so him winning MVP and then the Bucks losing in the playoffs would be a better scenario to me. It’s a weird situation to find myself not only believing in the Lakers’ potential but also cheering for them
I am excited to see Zion and Ben play 3 games between them
You mean one 💀💀
Who's playing the 2
@@necromora666add paul George and you might have 10 🤣
Just want to see a Fully Healthy Season by all , seems like every year lately too many stars are missing with injuries!
@@troyhines3219 I want alot of things
This era of basketball i crazy. The amount of teams that could win a title is like never before. Dont remember basketball ever being so stacked.
It’s great
especially the west. all of them have threats
European invasion
I hate to be a party pooper…but the league seems great…because it’s so bad. All these teams suck and tank three weeks into the season. All these young players do is jack up threes and play not a lick of defense. Scores are like 134-128 these nights.
@@justinsports3032 would much rather watch an offensive game then a defensive game lol. Low scoring games are boring as hell
The Pacers gm said their off-season goal was to make the postseason and did accordingly.
Their record was good with Halliburton last year. If he stays healthy, the new pieces are such an excellent fit with him they could def push 5-6 seed
The Pacers seem more like a good playoff team than the Jazz, or even the Nets, the Raptors or the Hawks. They have a balanced roster, they added Bruce Brown and were already really good last year when healthy.
Ehhh I don’t think they did enough to make it in the play-in. Their young players need more time to improve. People overrating the Pacers, setting them up for failure
@@CarnagexSenaif hali stays healthy they make it
@@CarnagexSena It is a fact that they were on a trajectory for a playoff seat last season, considering their win-rate and strength of schedule, before Haliburton got hurt.
How you want to interpret their chances or think if they are ready or not is not what I'm argueing. I'll leave that to people that follow the team full time. They certainly were very capable of it last year and their team hasn't got worse. With no teams tanking for Wemby anymore, it might actually be a harder race this season, even though they should be a decent amount better.
My argument is that they are equally likely to make the playoffs (not just the play-in) than those 3 teams mentioned, meaning they should go higher on the tier list. I would say they are more likely, from my perspective, given the season for the Nets, Raptors and Hawks is extremely uncertain.
The year-to-year disrespect of Miami as a top tier team is insane
It's cuz coach spo consistently can do more with less.
Miami lost Vincent and Strus, tough to put them in S without Dame
@@CarnagexSenathey brought back jrich and theyll have herro. Thats a better backcourt tbh.
@@CarnagexSena He's not going Miami.
Ask the commissioner 😂
They have one and a half superstars total.
Tyler hero
And a bunch of nobodys
I think where you have the Cavs right now is perfect. Still good, but they need to prove themselves after last years playoffs. That being said I could really see a huge boost to that squad if garland takes a small jump, Mobley averages 18-20ppg along with this new shooting depth that they acquired. They are a sneaky contender and I am so excited for them this season
Not getting fooled by them again
@@RR-in7do No, you're just not being fooled by any team with Spida🤷♂️
Cavs ain’t winning shit gtfo
@@holdmyweight3597 bruh are you smoking crack?
1. Kyle Washington lol
2. The Hornets will be better than that this year. 2 seasons ago when the whole roster wasn’t hurt, 43 wins. Add a legit center to that team in Mark Williams, and a 2nd overall pick in Brandon Miller. Don’t forget LaMelo had that team at 43 wins with Mason Plumle as the starting center. Mark Williams is a legit all defensive team candidate with a full season as the starting center. If you’re taking last season into account then you’re already failing to see this teams true talent. No one was healthy at the same time. The starting lineup of LaMelo, Rozier, Hayward, PJ, and Mark with Oubre as the 6th man played only 3 games last season. In those 3 games they went 2-1. Last season was the worst possible situation for the team. If you actually take time to research the Hornets last season you would see this seasons team is not the same team as last seasons team.
LaMelo's injuries, amongst other internal things wrong with the franchise, is holding them back
You're delusional but best of luck to your team 😂
@@laceup62 thank you sir
Lamelo will get in a career altering car accident
@@ryanshearer5653 and get super powers? Cool
I'm not surprised the Hornets are in D tier. I really hope the Brandon Miller pick doesn't turn out to be another Kidd-Gilchrist type pick for the Hornets, but I'm not even sure the Hornets would be good even if Miller turns out to be good. The team always knows how to squander high end talent no matter who it is.
I really wish I could not be a Hornets fan for a hour just so I can see the flaws in this team that everyone else sees.
Personally I cant see a roster with:
An at worst top 15 point guard in Lamelo capable of being given a nod to be a all star replacement
A solid shooter in Rozier who really is just as solid as any other shooter a playoff team wants on their roster
A number 2 pick that was literally consensus top 3 in supposedly "projected one of the deepest draft classes in NBA history" the guys most frequent compliments are elite shooting and being a 6'9" wing who can do it all outside of create his own shot.
A solid stretch 4 in PJ Washington than even Dallas and potentially the cavs wanted
A center in Mark Williams that was really good as a rookie definsively and only got better as the season went on and his role got bigger
Cody Martin and Nick Richards simply just being solid bench players at their position
Miles bridges at minimum be a good bench player coming off of a year away from being a borderline all star in alot of people eyes, I mean I always felt his was at best a decent starter. But as a bench guy he would be really good at the 3 spot.
Hayward simply throwing him on the bench and keeping him healthy would undoubtly make him one of the best six mans in the NBA
that right there is a solid 9 man rotation on paper the only thing the team lacks is a back up point guard.
Bro wrote all that just to say his team is gonna be middle of the pack
@@RealJuiceWrld Well I mean when your rebuilding and your three best players are year 4, year 2, and a rookie im not expecting them to contend for a title...but I do think they are 6 seed this year at minimum feel free to roast me if im wrong.
@@RicetheCaptainthis will help. Look at how talented all the other teams are and then compare them to the Hornets. Just do it one by one and you will see how many teams are better than them. I don’t think they are a bottom 3, but they aren’t special either
@@Shortballa11 I have many times already thats why I said I wish I wasnt a fan soI could see what other do.
My opinion on paper (In order) for the east just to save time.
S tier BOS, MIL, CLE
A Tier MIA PHI
B tieir NYK CLT ATL IND CHI
C tier ORL BRK DET TOR
D tier WAS
last year they won 14 games somehow and now they basically retooled the entire roster with better players due to injuries. They also won 40 games with Miles Bridges as our second best player and a garbage roster. This roster is actually a good young roster that is good enough but could actually get better over the season.
This might be a little bold but I think we will see nuggets in the conference finals this year too.
i think they will atlas make the conference finals maybe repeat depending on how good the suns are
@@jefferydahmer3747 I don’t think Suns will be a threat. I just wonder about losing Bruce Brown, if it doesn’t impact them very hard, they most likely repeat. Because other teams haven’t changed much in the off season.
@@bornaghadamzan2223 true either the suns are gonna be super good or super bad thats how i see it and yeah like you said they could repeat but it depends on how big of a hit they took with losing brown
@@jefferydahmer3747 The main reason I think that the Suns aren’t gonna do much is because you cannot find a single true win at any cost mindset player. KD, Book and beal aren’t natural born winners.
How is having the most recent champs on the conference finals bold?!??!?
watching this a month late putting the mavs on b is crazy 😭
So miami beat Bucks and celtics to get to the finals and have a winning record against them the last 4 years and they are still ahead of miami? Even with the potential addition of Dame?....someone please explain this to me
this dude is always hating lmao idfk
Miami lost most of the players that made those runs and they don’t have dame yet. The Celtics have only gotten better while the heat have continued to downgrade there roster each year. Idk about the bucks tho
@mountaindew7701 miami have made the finals twice in the last 4 years and one year ECF. They've been consistently competitive. And the core remains...gabe and strus were not the reason for their success...
The disrespect is wild also how are the suns better than the lakers when the lakers been more consistent in finals
They lost Vincent and Strus, those two were huge in their run. They’ll be in S tier once they trade for Dame
Pacers too low, were in the playoff run last season until Haliburton got injured and they've just added players like Bruce Brown to the team
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Pretty good breakdown. So as per your tier stature, unless something goes wrong in S or A tier, or very right for a team in the B tier, the 8 playoff teams in the West are all clearly in the S or A tier. I can live with that
you should do an updated version of this during the middle of the season
This Kings team has maybe the biggest gap between their ceiling and floor out if all the teams. I wouldn't be shocked if we saw some regression and they finished like 7th in the west, but I also wouldn't be shocked if they were Greatest Show on Court 2.0
I agree with this list for the most part, good job
Having Brooklyn/Chicago/Toronto (all fringe play-in teams IMO), in the same tier as Dallas and Sacramento, who have way higher ceilings, is insane to me. The West is just so much more stacked even if those teams finish in similar areas in their respective conferences
kings were in A
Kings aren’t in B
Facts
Pistons’s C tier. D tier is crazy
I think the Pacers are going to win 42-45 games. They were really good last year when healthy. I love their roster additions. I think they're ready to make the jump and will finish between 6th and 10th.
people dont understand how stacked their roster has become they added bruce brown and Obi toppin and drafted Jarace walker
The pacers will win 28 games
Pacers, at worst, are a play-in team. With a 5-6 spot realistic. #1 scoring bench in the NBA last year and their starting rotation got better. People are going to sleep, but will be forced to wake up really quick.
yeah dude just be saying anything. He go orlando over charlotte and the hornets got melo and bridges back no way they at the very bottom
@@Todd-DaGod-Howard Lmao you got this hella way off. Pacers won 47 games
Aslong as players stay atleast mostly healthy, Pacers can seriously surpise a lot of people. Im hopin for a 45+ win season as a floor. And theyve said that Winning is the goal now.
45 win floor is foolish imo although I do think they can be a sneaky play in team
@@danielwalker6909 I don't personally see what makes that so foolish. Only reason pacers record was as bad as it was, was because Hali got injured and I think missed about 12-15ish games, maybe more? I can't remember. They lost like, all but 2 of those games. Couple that with the fact they were sortve tanking towards the end of the year. They'll definitely achieve bare minimum 40 wins and 10 more wins above last year's win total of 35 doesn't seem outlandish aslong as the 24 yr old allstar averaging 20&10 improves even a little and Mathurin takes a potential jump. The bench is stacked and they theoretically improved their biggest flaw, defense, with the moves they made this off-season.
With the upsides of Hali, Mathurin, and other improving, the additions made this off-season, the weakening of a couple top 6 Eastern conference teams, the fact they only lost as many games as they did last year due to injury, the stated goal to be a winning team, and the fact everyone and their mom is counting out the Pacers, all those things would lead me to believe this could be a bigger yesr than anyone is telling you or I.
I don't think they really do anything special in the playoffs, but this could still prove to be a good team aslong as the main dudes stay relatively healthy.
@@YokedDrunkard chill bruh I ain't reading all that
@@danielwalker6909 I mean, it's like barely two paragraphs lol why even comment anything if any comment past 2 sentences makes you're brain give out? If that's all it takes then you're opinion means less than jackshit
@@danielwalker6909 Atleast read the first 3 sentences or atleast the first 5☠
The Nuggets, Bucks, Celtics, and Phoenix are the top 4 teams in the NBA.
Lakers over Bucks imo
Sounds about right
@@simonpppstop
Eh I don’t think there is a significant gap or at all between the lakers and the S tier teams simply with health which they’re now and the new acquisitions but other than that I see your points
Phoenix health is about as bad as Lakers as well, but Lakers have more depth. Lakers>PHX
@@yepperzifyboth teams got depth lol.
I agree
@@E-blaze-no they don’t lmao the Suns have no depth the added end of the bench rotation guys and now u guys are moved lmao
@@E-blaze- Suns just have recognizable names, there's a reason they're signing for vet mins now
I think Orlando will be in the b tier by halfway through the season
lol no
Love to see my Knicks in A
Mavericks have put a lot of effort this offseason into the defensive side of the ball, with the addition of grant williams and the drafting of two prospects who specialize on defense in Derrick lively and O-Max. If Lively can get a starting spot and be good defensively, this team could be scary in the postseason. We do have to actually see it though so I don’t blame you for putting them in B, I just have blind faith as a fan that they have what it takes to be an A tier team this season.
WTF! my Kings finally getting some love on this channel. Damn it's been a crazy day
I love how both the teams u put middle tier are playing so good and are gonna play each other for the wcf.
Kind of Laughable how Clippers always ranked high every year because Kawaii and George, but that is never the case lol.
It's hard to say until we know where Lilard, Harden and Siakam (among others) will be playing next year.
Clippers with Westbrook, Harden, PG, and Kawai would be S tiers for me as well as Miami with Lilard.
Dallas really needs to step up in the post 3 4 5. Luka and Kyrie deserve better than playin.
Good list with current data.
Even if the Clippers get Harden, they won't be S-Tier. There's no way they stay healthy. I'll be happy to be proven wrong, but I have to be proven wrong.
Considering how close we are to training camp, it's kinda required to put the video out now and then drop in an update later.
@@shorewallHarden, Lebron, KD, and some others are still talented, but decidedly on the “heading down the western slope” part of their careers. Not non factors, but not deciding factors
People still consider Clippers as contenders in 2023? 🤦
You saw Lob City.
You saw what happened in the bubble.
You saw what happened in the 2021 WCF.
Clippers are not that team.
Your underrating the pacers so much. Pacers could easily be top 7-5 in the east. Last season they were 6th seed until haliburton got hurt. They were really good at offense but had no defense. This off-season they added walker, brown, and toppin!
I agree with you but Obi is not a good defender.
Wizards have the best dynamic dual in Pool Boy and Jakuzzi
My prediction before the video starts, Tucker hates the Knicks as usual
Edit: surprised me here with the fair ranking!
Jaylen Brown your next video Sporting Logically 😅😂😅😂😅😂
This was a really good video. It explains every factor that is important without dragging on too long. Really impressed with the quality of this video. It's perfect for someone who hasn't been following the nba for a while and has gotten back into it. Concise but doesn't miss substance.
Love the channel, but dawg you gotta give it up with the clippers man😭😭😂
The big 3 way trade between the Suns, Portland and Milwaukee took place after this video was made and the Suns getting Nurkic was huge. He is fitting in perfectly with that team. The Suns/Nuggets series is what I can’t wait to watch.
Kyle Washington the greatest Hornet of all time
Had me thinking Kyle was short for PJ for a second
😂 I was looking for it lol… it’s all good lol, we know Tuck knows hoops
@@moisturizedkevYeah but his Hornets ranking doesn't make much sense. Last year was just the most cursed season I've seen for a team in ages. Bridges out all year, Ball goes down early, then Rozier, then Hayward, then Oubre. They had basically no significant stretches of healthy basketball and obviously missed their second best player all year. Assuming they avoid THAT, Bridges stays onnthe straight and narrow, and Miller is just a solid rookie, there's no way they should be THAT bad.
@@Nuvendil I mean….. I hear you, but “no way” is a stretch lol- it’s not like anyone you named has winning experience… they’re still very young and unproven.
@@moisturizedkev I'm not talking about championships here. I'm talking mid 30s to mid 40s wins, which is what they did before last season. And it's the next tier up.
the Pacer are going to be really good this season if everyon stays healthy their biggest problem was the PF spot they got Obi whos most likely starting and they also got jarace walker and believe me when i tell you their backcourt is kinda stacked with guys like tyrese hield nembhard TJ and now bruce brown we also could see mathurin improving by being more consistent at the SF and Myles Turner is a C who blocks shots spaces the floor and is a really nice defensive anker
Glad to see you didn't have Houston at the bottom of the barrel! I think they're gonna surprise a lot of folks this year! I think their ceiling is reaching the play in game, and maybe a 35 win team at worst!
they're going to win between 30-38 games, but nothing more, and i don't think they'll make the play in either
Pelicans that high is a major streeetch but good video
If Healthy they there is no reason to doubt them
They were first in the west when Zion was healthy last season and gave the Suns a run for their money in the first round a couple years ago without Zion. Healthy pels team is definitely A tier but will probably not be as per usual
grizzlies A? I guess this came out before steven adams was announced to miss the season
One of the best rankings. I think the Pelicans are lttle too high.
Charlotte gets hate because of the city or something, it’s gotta be. Hornets should at least be in C tier
this guy put pelicans above lakers 🤣🤣
Looking forward to Nuggets rolling it up again this year.
Doncic is a top 5 all NBA player. Dallas at C tier is crazy
1. Giannis
2. Embiid
3. Jokic
4. Tatum
5. Curry
6. Shai
7. Durant
8. Maybe doncic
At best he's 8th
Absolutely not top 5 though
@@user-gz4mq6xb2ftatum over curry is crazy
Pelicans in A tier? With the lakers? Christ this is awful
Overrated teams:
Clippers
Grizzlies
Underrated teams:
Pacers
Pistons
Underrated- mavs
@@eazye5072Can't argue with that
Underrated: OKC
Clippers are not overrated. They're irrelevant
Pacers stay super underrated
We ready to make all these casuals look like fools
With bridges returning this season for the hornets i believe they deserve c
the heat are already better than last year even without Dame, have winning records on boston and milwaukee, and still gets placed on a tier lower than them….okay
Took the words right outta my mouth…
Why did you keep showing photos of Chris Paul when talking about the Suns? He is no longer on the roster lol.
Boy did the pacers pick age well😭😂
Mavs should be in the A tier, they completely revamped the roster, excluding the rip protection they still desperately need.
Pretty good list and reasons behind their ranking.
if u make a tier list u need to have it up more so i can just see your list
Going right to my local Wizards, oof
Man! This tier list did NOT age well...
You place dallas maveric for S tier do this now
So many low east teams, Celtics and bucks should both have 60+ wins
Agreed with everything except Phoenix. I think they’re not a great defensive team with Beal on the floor, and I question his fit, his chemistry with the other two stars.
They did add some good role players though.
Two weeks later they have added two more solid roleplayers plus a more defensive minded big in Nurkic
Picked Dallas that low when they had been to western conference finals two years ago.. Then they trade for defense. Kind of short sighted.
Your rockets comment was very funny 🤣
I have just realized today that your channel logo is indeed NOT the Washington Wizards logo
Kyle Washington is crazy😂
Man remembers to assign pelicans a grade after 2 years of forgetting them !!
Nuggets should be in their own tier
I have faith that the Hornets will be much better this year, at least C tier. They’re being slept on IMO, and it’s not surprising given their performance last year. However, they have a lot of young talent, some that should be maturing this year. People also just flat out forget about Mark Williams who is making his presence felt on defense. Playoffs or bust!
AGREED! Last seasons record was not an accurate representation of the Hornets talent. There’s at least 10 reasons I can think of off the top of my head as to why they’re going to be so much better this year.
Hornets fan - Yeah C tier fs, barring any scandals (Kai Jones soon, Miles Bridges) / injuries (Lamelo unfortunately, Cody Martin)
Not sure Pels are in the A tier, the one team might surprise us is OKC, watch out, they are coming
Healthy pelicans are s tier
They were in 1st place before Zion got injured
schroeder just balled out in FIBA toronto fans should be excited
Why is he talking about a gap? If anybody actually watched the playoffs rather than only look at numbers or results on screen there is no gap. If you want to say Denver is in S fine. They won. But to have Celtics (who needed ref robbery + had a ton of silly losses whole season), old Bucks & Phoenix who went out in the 2nd round ahead of Lakers and Heat who beat those teams/ got to the finals and conference finals is crazy. Who do Phoenix have thats gonna stop anybody? They're basically the Iso Nets 2.0. A rinse and repeat of the Harden Durant Irving era.
Agree, and swapping CP for Beal actually subtracts playmaking and adds even more iso
Not hate at all I love your videos. But just with predictions of any sport is there is always a couple surprises.
A team or two always comes from no where to climb up. Just as like theres always a team that can drop.
Sac and the Knicks did it last year just off the time of my head
But love the videos mate. Keep up the good work
As a Timberwolves fan, I’ll be back to this.
“Not complete”
I agree with your assessment completely. I do think if the Clipps get the Harden trade done without giving up their depth, they will move up to the S tier, but we will see.
Putting pels in A but OKC is B? Okc beat Nola in the play in. You can argue no zion for most of the season but okc also didn't have chet. Idk I'm not vying for okc to be A but maybe knock the pels down to B as well. I get for video perspective purposes having soo many teams in B makes it too crowded but just my thoughts. Love the videos btw
Milwaukee is A, 2021 was a fluke #hottake
As a Nets fan, it doesn't who won that year.
It could've been Phoenix, my team, Atlanta...
Everyone would say 2021 was a fluke year🤷♂️
Timberwolves at their best are pretty high A tier, just a matter of staying healthy and Towns/Gobert balance. Will be interesting…
Id slot Portland in the c tier to be quite honest with you. They got a lot of talent
Every team has a lot of talent. Young players don’t win tho
Well with fame in Milwaukee, you need to redo the list
A tier is terrible. Pel’s, Lakers, Clippers, GSW, Cleveland & NY all out. Dallas improved on D. They needed 3 defensive stops a game last year to win 20 more games. They got the stops. Minnesota up also.
I have the Lakers at S-tier. This is probably the best supporting cast LeBron has had during his entire tenure with the Lakers. The 2020 Lakers were dominant in the West and in the post-season. Health is obviously a factor but LeBron is still playing at a high level and there's just no discounting the amount of experience and leadership that he brings to the team.
AD was on another level defensively in this most recent post-season so he just had to replicate that, at least for this next post-season. The Lakers resigned almost all of their core guys and added nice pieces on bargain contracts with high/good upside to round out the rest of the roster. The Lakers have the salary flexibility to make a big move at the trade deadline and they're a top destination for any attractive buyout targets that may pop up.
They got to the conference finals despite only being together for a few months. They were also only within a possession or two away in every game against the eventual champions despite many of their players underperforming and LeBron with only one good foot. Now they'll have a whole season together and they just have to perform a little better in the post-season this time around. With a little luck, LeBron won't return from a foot injury a couple of games before the post-season starts this time around.
Lol no Lakers are low a tier and I see them losing in the playoffs early. He also vastly overrated the suns well discounting both warriors and heat.
If AD plays 65-70 games, and Bron plays as last year...yep, S tier candidate. But if, only if, Big if
@@lothar71as construcued, not sure you can put Miami and GSW in the A tier yet. They need to improve the roasters
And LA always coming with that ref action like no others in the league. Got that going for them
Are u crazy?
Doggy...... OKC will finish top 3 in the NBA.
That team is terrifying.
Without even adding Chet i think theyd improve 6 to 8 games.
With Chet... and that depth... yoooooo, its scary.
The Pacers in C tier? Cmon Tucker! They’re in the playoffs for sure this year
Dallas in the same tier as the dang raptors is absolutely insane
this is bias af cuz I'm a raptors fan but the raptors got a underrated, well rounded, deep squad this year. I would say Schroder is an upgrade over Fred cuz he'll actually make plays and not just chuck up 3s. Dallas has no defense.
Dallas improved their defence a lot though. Only 2 years ago they had the 6th best defensive ratimg in the league. Grant Williams is an excellent pick up, fit again Kleber and Josh Green improving will help. I know they can't rely on rookies in their first season but Lively will be excellent defensively as will Omax Prosper as a long wing
@@shale3768 the OP meant the raptors are not on the mavs level. and i agree. dallas were 4th for the longest time before giving away their depth, and now they reloaded. meanwhle the raptors are a team most known for being the auction house for the hawks
@@LuisLRC yeah I just don't think they have a solid team around Luka and Kyrie. If Luka and Kyrie were amazing at defence then that's a different story but right now they don't have enough defensive pieces to make up for it. You can't outscore mediocre defence. Also, like he said, raptors could rank anywhere between 4th to 10th in the eastern conference, it's hard to tell at this point.
@@shale3768 western conference finals team in 2022 vs this team
luka/luka
kyrie/brunson
tim hardaway junior/ dinwidie
josh green/ reggie bullock
kleber/kleber
grant williams/ dorian finney smith
powel/ powel
seth curry/ davis bertans
derick jones junior/ trey burke
jaden hardy/ frank nkilikina
richuan holmes/ boban marjanovic
derick lively, exum and omax prosper/ literally nobodies
top to bottom the roster is better. only person you can argue is dinwidie.
and on top of that the 2022 team was 7th in defense, so they can easily go back to that. stop being delusional
I was prepared to clown this listing but after watching I agree with where you put every team. Phoenix and Boston based off of pure talent, Milwaukee and Denver because they’re built different.
Someone gonna tell this dude dlo isn’t on the Timberwolves
The Wolves are underrated, a.k.a. they will win 50 games because they underperform when they are expected to be good and overperform when they are expected to suck(well, occasionally). The Pels and the Kings are SO overrated and the Nets should be a tier below.
magic in c tier is insane
definitely D imo
Kings in the A tier at the beginning of the season let’s goooooooo
LOOK AT THE WOLVES BABYYYYY
Putting Indiana that low is disrespectful
Idk y but that thumbnail funny ASF 🤣
Brooklyn Nets deserves higher this video Ben Simmons get ROTY 2023-24 NBA season 😅😅😂😅😂😅😂😅
I personally disagree with the suns being an S tier team. Please comment logically if you disagree, but here is my rational:
The suns look like a talented team on paper but they lack a strong defensive backbone. What player on this team is considered a high end defensive player? Who is the vocal leader and tone setter on this team? With all this offensive power their three stars are all ball dominant which means their offense has a level of diminished returns while non of those stars even if you include ayton are not the high end defenders, you can devate that thier not bad defneders but none of them are in the high tier defensive category.
I get what you're saying, I just don't think it will be as big of a factor as you're making it out to be. I think you're underestimating how hard it will be for teams to keep up with them on the offensive end. Booker, Durant, and Beal can easily create their own shot. When doubled they can then hit Ayton down low or Gordon/Yuta on the perimeter. IMO the only thing potentially stopping them will be injuries.
@@Stuie299 thank you for the reply!
I cant believe he said getting dillion brooks was a plus 😂
You forgot to mention the Indiana Pacers…
How can you give Orlando a playoff chance and not Indy?
Nah, Kyle Washington is nasty bro lol
I see Kings us the only team in West which actually can outscore Nuggets.
I’m gonna be honest, I think the Lakers should be S tier. They made a run to the conference finals with a team they put together at the trade deadline. That team only looks better this season and they have a year to work together. I see them as a bigger threat than an aging Bucks or the Suns
Not that they aren't valid, but everyone always blows AD's injury concerns out of proportion compared to guys who miss a similar amount or more games. Like Zion has averaged like 20games a season the past few years, but Pels are still A tier, while AD just had his healthiest season since 2020 with a full playoff push/run
LA should be a good contender if healthy, that's the issue
I’m not gonna pretend I don’t make fun of Day to Davis all the time but you’re 100% right. AD when healthy is a top 10 player and even has flashes of being a top 5. He’s also played more games over the last two seasons than Steph or KD. He gets way too much heat for no reason. Hopefully this season will go better for him, especially since he can rest cause LeBron is exempt from the load managements rules cause of his age and the addition of Christian Wood. Wood, Rui, and Vanderbilt will hopefully be able to take more of the defensive load from AD to make his job a bit easier. I don’t even normally care for the Lakers, AD, or LeBron but I kinda do want to see them win this season. Giannis and Steph are my favourite players but I don’t think this Warriors team has it in them without some crazy trade for someone like Siakam and I kinda want Giannis to leave Milwaukee so him winning MVP and then the Bucks losing in the playoffs would be a better scenario to me. It’s a weird situation to find myself not only believing in the Lakers’ potential but also cheering for them
As long as they keep Lebron’s walker in top shape, anything can happen
@ScuffTuff
How can they be a threat if they got swept by the champs?
Make it make sense 🤔
13:45 cap 🧢 why isn't Miami close they make the finals every year lol. And have a 3-1 and 2-1 record over the bucks and Celtics