@@BrotherMunro simply put, for as long as you've been doing these UAD videos, you absent-mindedly rush through ship design/refit instead of taking the time to systematically ticking EVERY box and then double-checking EVERY box before saving the design/refit, as a matter of habit. Check EVERY box when setting armor values, and double-check EVERY box, before saving, and make that your habit. As a viewer, it's mind-boggling, frustrating, infuriating even, and extremely a turn-off, that you haven't caught on to that issue and fixed it in all this time. I actually was just thinking that I'm sick enough of sitting through watching you make that same error yet again that I was just thinking I've had enough of watching videos made by someone who cares so little about the quality of their work that they don't bother to correct and eliminate deficiencies such as that one.
"I dont think any nation in the world has a ship like this" Yeah because their captains are all protected behind layers of steel, not paper lol Its like that age old sci fi question, why do ships in space need windows in the bridge when they have cameras? So the A Wings can fly right in. These battlecruisers will be like the Executor over Endor, waiting for an A Wing.
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Might have gone with 13.5" and spent the tonnage on a bit more protection, very British Contract sort of thing to do. Brown-Foreman appreciates your business.
You set the armour quality for the battlecruiser to 104% instead of 105%. Not sure if that matters much. Technically means the ship is a tiny bit better protected than it looks in the design screen. Apart from the conning tower, as that got 0 again.
If my memory serves There were a number of south american battleships designed and ordered at around this time that were some of the largest in the world and caused a huge controversy in england where they were being made. Ultimately the UK bought the ships at the start of WW1 if i remember correctly. Just imagine the absolute shit storm that would happen with this blisteringly fast behemoth becomes known.
The Rio deJaneiro was ordered by Brazil and ended up being the most heavily gunned dreadnought ever built, with 7x2 12" guns. It was sold to the Ottomans due to Brazil's economy nosediving, then the Brits seized it at the outset of WW1 along with another Ottoman-ordered dreadnought. This pissed the Ottomans off, since they'd already paid for them both in full, and contributed to their decision to join the Central Powers. The Chileans also ordered dreadnoughts from the Brits, though in their case at least the Brits paid them before taking their ships. One of them became the HMS Canada, a dreadnought. But my favorite bit of South American arms race lore is that the other was originally going to be named after my favorite figure in naval history, Thomas Cochrane. The Almirante Cochrane was eventually cut down and modified into the HMS Eagle, one of the earliest carriers. I'd like to think Cochrane would approve of his namesake's unorthodox history 😊
18:20 Funnily enough, this was pretty much the reaction to the historic Minas Gerais. The real Minas Gerais was a dreadnought, and it made Brazil the third country to have one under construction (After the UK and the USA) She was an incredibly powerful ship for the time, and caused considerable commotion once their construction was announced. In terms of broadside weight, She may have been the most powerful warship afloat for a short time, although I will have to double check this.
I hope the armor is able to be incrased a lot more later on (if I remember correctly, battlecruisers are finicky with upper armor limits, even in DIP and such)
@@BrotherMunro won't happen unless your crew slackened up a bit on maintenance of the powder magazine and a lucky shell found its mark, but the barbettes look fine with adequate protection, for now.
Re: Design of the Brazilia class of Cruzadores de Batalha. 15:56: Bureau of Construction and Repair, Design Division: Bureau Report: 14-Feb-11 Brief: The Brazilia class will consist of two Cruzadores de Batalha designed to a target displacement of 23,625 tons and a top speed of 30 knots. This new type of ship is an innovation which may shock the world and make every capital ship in existence obsolete. Propulsion: The class has three new steam turbine engines provided steam by three induced draft boilers burning new either coal or oil vented though one funnels generating 36,926 indicated horsepower turning three screws for the required top speed on a design displacement of 23,591 tons fully loaded with a balanced rudder turned by electro-hydraulic power for an operational range of 7,702 nautical miles. The class carries petrol auxiliary engines for emergency power. Armament: The class' main battery is four twin turrets mounted in super firing pairs fore and aft bearing 14"/40 Mark 2 guns with 12" face, 4" top, 12" barbette Krupp cemented armor, turned by electro-hydraulic systems with enhanced reloading, using improved Coincidence range finders, and with anti-flash hatches, internal shell handling, and thicker barbette armor. The main magazine carries a balanced load of standard sized 50% Base Fuze HE and 50% Capped Ballistic AP shells using Cordite High Burn as the propellant and TNT as the bursting charge. The secondary battery is twelve casemates mounted six per side bearing 4"/37 Mark 3 guns with 4" face and 0.3" top Krupp cemented armor. The secondary magazine carries a HE heavy standard load of standard sized 62.5% Base Fuze HE and 37.5% Capped Ballistic AP shells. Protection: Krupp Cemented armor is clade with an added belt and deck layer 12" on the main belt, 3" on the extended belt, 0.2" on the inner belt, 3" on the main deck, 0.3" on the extended deck, 0.2" on the inner deck, and 3" on the superstructure. The Class has a double bottom hull, reinforced bulkheads separating standard compartmentation, counter-flooding systems to avoid listing, pumps and piping for flooding reduction, and improved anti-torpedo bulges. A crew of 1110 officers and enlisted men will be provided standard quarters. The class carries an advanced radio communication system. Construction: The class will consist of the lead ship Brazilia, and Nigella. Build time will be 18 months with a commissioning time of 3 months. Cost per ship will be $200,291,300, and monthly maintenance in port of $9,013,109.
Relatório: Design of the Iguatemi class of Destruidores. 07:52: Diretoria-Geral do Material da Marinha: Relatório da Direção: 17-May-1907 Brief: The Iguatemi class will consist of twelve Destruidores designed to a target displacement of 1,100 tons and a top speed of 31 knots. Recent war time experience demonstrates the need to replace our Torpedeiros with more capable Destruidores with heavier guns. Propulsion: The class has three multiple expansion engines provided steam by three induced draft boilers burning new coal vented though one funnels generating 1,598 indicated horsepower turning two screws for the required top speed on a design displacement of 1,096 tons fully loaded with a unbalanced rudder turned by hydraulic power for an operational range of 4,457 nautical miles. The class carries petrol auxiliary engines for emergency power. Armament: The class' main battery is four single mounts in superfiring pairs fore and aft bearing 4"/28 Mark 3 guns with 1" face and 0.2" top Harvey armor, turned by electro-hydraulic systems with enhanced reloading, using improved Coincidence range finders. The main magazine carries an HE heavy standard load of standard sized 62.5% Base Fuze HE and 37.5% Capped Ballistic AP shells using Cordite High Burn as the propellant and TNT as the bursting charge. Two dual Mark 2 deck torpedo mounts fore, aft, and three per side launching a standard load of 19" torpedoes with compressed air aided combustion rounds out the armament. Protection: Nickel steel armor is clade 1" on the main belt, 1" on the extended belt, 0.2" on the main deck, 0.1" on the extended deck, 1" on the superstructure, and 1" on the conning tower. The Class has a double bottom hull and reinforced bulkheads separating reduced compartmentation, counter-flooding systems to avoid listing, pumps and piping for flooding reduction. A crew of 89 officers and enlisted men will be provided cramped quarters. The class carries an advanced radio communication system. Construction: The class will consist of the lead ship Iguatemi, Bacalha D'Oro, Rio Negro, Lula da Silva, Guerilla, Psicopata, Rupp, Liana, Senna, Barichello, Piquet, and Massa. Build time will be 7 months with a commissioning time of 1 month. Cost per ship will be $8,563,585, and monthly maintenance in port of $282,598.
Relatório: Refit of the San Luis '08 class of Encrouraçdos. 06:04: Diretoria-Geral do Material da Marinha: Relatório da Direção: 18-Aug-1908 Brief: The San Luis '08 refit will cover two Encrouraçdos designed to a target displacement of 8,000 tons and a top speed of 18 knots. This refit will upgrade the main guns, torpdoes, protection, and engineering plant of the class. Propulsion: The class has three multiple expansion engines provided steam by three induced draft boilers burning new coal vented though one funnels generating 3,514 indicated horsepower turning three screws for the required top speed on a design displacement of 7,806 tons fully loaded with a balanced rudder turned by steam power for an operational range of 5,567 nautical miles. The class carries petrol auxiliary engines for emergency power. Armament: The class' main battery is two twin turrets mounted fore and aft bearing 10"/40 Mark 2 guns with 10.5" face, 0.8" top, 11.5" barbette Harvey armor, turned by electro-hydraulic systems with enhanced reloading, using improved Coincidence range finders, and with anti-flash hatches, internal shell handling, and thicker barbette armor. The main magazine carries a balanced load of standard sized 50% Base Fuze HE and 50% Capped Ballistic AP shells using White Powder as the propellant and TNT as the bursting charge. The secondary battery is sixteen casemates mounted eight per side bearing 4"/38 Mark 2 guns with 2.1" face and 0.7" top Harvey armor. The secondary magazine carries a HE heavy standard load of standard sized 62.5% Base Fuze HE and 37.5% Capped AP shells. Two Mark 2 under water tubes launching a standard load of 18" torpedoes with compressed air aided combustion rounds out the armament. Protection: Harvey armor is clade with an added belt and deck layer 11" on the main belt, 3.1" on the extended belt, 5.2" on the inner belt, 0.7" on the main deck, 0.2" on the extended deck, 0.4" on the inner deck, 1.4" on the superstructure, and 12.6" on the conning tower. The Class has a double bottom hull and reinforced bulkheads separating extensive compartmentation, counter-flooding systems to avoid listing, pumps and piping for flooding reduction, and improved anti-torpedo bulges. A crew of 744 officers and enlisted men will be provided spacious quarters. The class carries an advanced radio communication system. Construction: The refit will cover the ship San Luis and Chaco. Refit time will be 2 months with a recommissioning time of 3 months. Valuation of each ship will rise to $44,416,780, and monthly maintenance in port will now be $1,465,754.
Why are Torpedo boats obsolete when you honestly can use fast, vulnerable cheap torpedo rams to slam volumes of torpedos into heavy ships with poor point defense? Is it the lack of ability to add armour? Do we need to consider upgrading their speed more for evasion bonus? I'd been wondering if small ship evasion should be reworked into a percentage debuff to range found bonuses, smaller ships being harder to accurately pinpoint at range leading to bad hit rates at long range and easier time acquiring if they get near.
I guess the Brazilians were the first to invent small tube boilers in this timeline. Seriously, I think the speed is the most unrealistic thing here, she must be all machinery.
With the new destroyers you are wasting a fair bit of weight inducing the engine which this design does not need (it is showing 461.1% efficiency). Taking that off might give you enough free weight to increase the amount of bulkheads to medium.
The game averages the stats between the 2 guns 5" - 6" so if your 6 is a higher mark but you can't fit it, a 5.X would be marginally better than a Stright 5" Never used them myself if you want weird calibers just switch to MM LOL
You probably already know this and I doubt DiP can do anything about it but what makes the Torp the danger it is in battle is time compression. With each war turn having 4+battles, each ONE could take 2 hours so you use time compression. When you are controlling many ships doing different things you may be elsewhere when fired on and by the time you realize it is impossible to dodge as you are at +3 time. The AI can do this easily as it's ships dodge before your torps hit the water. The torp becomes even deadlier with higher speed and longer range given the low detection range and + time Maybe DiP should put in options to let teh player easily change things to their liking. You have removed subs (YAY!!!) but maybe keep torps at low speed/range by vastly increasing research time. Just an idea
Might have to wait for code mods, but an auto-pause/slow down when torps are detected would potentially be an option. Although on the AI side, I think DIP made it so that as long as they don't have DD's or CL's, the AI isn't allowed to actively dodge torps until visual detection.
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10:08 *With no mines in DIP double and triple hulls seem poor value for displacement.* It cost your new DD class 37 tons for the double hull (+7.5% hull weight), a large part of the overweight that lead to compromises you didn't want to make. 10:36 Few → Standard Bulkheads cost 24 tons. I would rather have more bulkheads than a double hull. Perhaps the +7.5% hull weight penalty (and +12.5% for triple hulls) should be reduced?
In this case, it was the torp load, the previous was running reduced, which is fine for Munro, as he tends to fire one salvo then set them to retreat and never touch them again.
Nice design but I'm not a huge fan of the long empty nose. I would do this design as an 5×2 of 12 inch guns with heavy shells mainly cuz More Shells = Better (that's what I learned from my experience on Vanilla at least). Also 27 or 28 knots would probably be enough to this ship
@@kristoffermangila my problem with the Takao/Brooklyn layout is that in order to get the 3rd gun on target if you needed to aim from port to stabord for example, your 3rd fwd turret would need to traverse 180° more or less depending on it's angle before so the guns would take much time to effectively engage the target. I know that the Amagi/Tosa layout also would mean that your 3rd turret would need to traverse more or less than 180° to engage an enemy on the other side of the ship but at least it would be faster to engage enemies that are chasing you. Also I think that depending on how far this tharget is, you could probably fire the 3rd turret over the 4th turret
@BrotherMunro right, bcs I rock till 1910 with 1,5" and then 1" & 0,5" layers. Even though I don't know how much I should rely on layering, it will still be a partial pen so still hurts I guess
Sounds like you’re trying dipv3 which is very much experimental. You need to make sure you use melon loader 0.64, annoyingly the latest version does not work.
Relatório: Refit of the Grajaú class of Cruzadores Blindado. 04:46: Diretoria-Geral do Material da Marinha: Relatório da Direção: 11-Aug-1908 Brief: The Grajaú '08 class refit will cover four Cruzadores Blindado designed to a target displacement of 10,500 tons and a top speed of 21 knots. This refit will upgrade the secondary guns, torpdoes, and engineering plant of the class. Propulsion: The class has three multiple expansion engines provided steam by three induced draft boilers burning new coal vented though two funnels generating 19,270 indicated horsepower turning three screws for the required top speed on a design displacement of 8,348 tons fully loaded with a balanced rudder turned by hydraulic power for an operational range of 3,200 nautical miles. The class carries petrol auxiliary engines for emergency power. Armament: The class' main battery is two twin turrets mounted fore and aft bearing 9"/35 Mark 2 guns with 9" face, 1.5" top, 9" barbette Harvey armor, turned by advanced hydraulic power with enhanced reloading, using improved Coincidence range finders, and with anti-flash hatches, internal shell handling, and thicker barbette armor. The main magazine carries a balanced load of standard sized 50% Base Fuze HE and 50% Capped Ballistic AP shells using white powder as the propellant and TNT as the bursting charge. The secondary battery is eighteen casemates mounted nine per side bearing 3"/38 Mark 3 guns with 2" face and 0.2" top Harvey armor. The secondary magazine carries a HE heavy standard load of standard sized 62.5% Base Fuze HE and 37.5% Capped Ballistic AP shells. Four Mark 2 under water tubes fore, aft, and two per side launching a standard load of 18" torpedoes with compressed air aided combustion rounds out the armament. Protection: Harvey armor is clade with an added belt and deck layer 6" on the main belt, 2" on the extended belt, 3.7" on the inner belt, 0.5" on the main deck, 0.2" on the extended deck, .2" on the inner deck, 2" on the superstructure, and 9" on the conning tower. The Class now has a double bottom hull and reinforced bulkheads separating extensive compartmentation, counter-flooding systems to avoid listing, pumps and piping for flooding reduction, and improved anti-torpedo bulges. A crew of 560 officers and enlisted men will be provided standard quarters. The class carries advanced radio communication systems. Construction: The refit will cover the Grajaú, Piratini, Cruzeiro do Sul, and Defensora. Refit time will be 2 months with a recommissioning time of 2 months. Valuation of each ship will rise to $37,809,340, and monthly maintenance in port will now be $1,247,708.
Munro is truly a Royal Navy Simp. That's the only explanation for his inspiration to just never have conning tower armor.
Wouldn't say he is just an RN simp. I would also say a little French is bouncing around in there, considering how he loves the skinny beam build.
Maybe he is just influenced by Jacky Fisher.
Canadian
@@welpoof1648 indeed, French and English influences in one lmao
Conning tower war continues to rage on in the Brazilia class
What?! Noooooo how do I miss it all the time now?!
Quite easy to do
To be fair, the UK was the first navy to generally forego conning tower armor in general… perhaps hereditary? :D
@@BrotherMunro simply put, for as long as you've been doing these UAD videos, you absent-mindedly rush through ship design/refit instead of taking the time to systematically ticking EVERY box and then double-checking EVERY box before saving the design/refit, as a matter of habit. Check EVERY box when setting armor values, and double-check EVERY box, before saving, and make that your habit. As a viewer, it's mind-boggling, frustrating, infuriating even, and extremely a turn-off, that you haven't caught on to that issue and fixed it in all this time. I actually was just thinking that I'm sick enough of sitting through watching you make that same error yet again that I was just thinking I've had enough of watching videos made by someone who cares so little about the quality of their work that they don't bother to correct and eliminate deficiencies such as that one.
If you name a ship Brasília I will gladly watch it sink.
Get drafted into Brazilian Navy. Stationed on the brand new Brazilia class BC. Man im so lucky!
....gets put in the conning tower 😩
" WE NEED A SPOTTER"
the rest of the crew:
Rest In Peace
The poor Bridge crew are all goners! 😂
He's taking the piss with the conning tower armour now 😂
That BC looks so fun. Only problem is if you hit a seagull at 30 knots you might incapacitate the bridge crew.
That Brazilia class is menacing, glorious and quite beautiful!
I think they are going to do great things!
Not if your the captain standing on the tinfoil bridge
whelp, it wouldn't be a BrotherMunro build if it doesn't have any conning tower armor lol
I think conning tower blindness is like William Morris choosing to dine in the Eiffel tower to avoid seeing it 😂
Superbly high-brow reference. Have many, many arbitrary internet points.
"I dont think any nation in the world has a ship like this"
Yeah because their captains are all protected behind layers of steel, not paper lol
Its like that age old sci fi question, why do ships in space need windows in the bridge when they have cameras? So the A Wings can fly right in.
These battlecruisers will be like the Executor over Endor, waiting for an A Wing.
Such a nice ship! I feared you had to do too many compromises to add the fourth gun turret, but it seems to have worked out in the end. Lovely.
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Might have gone with 13.5" and spent the tonnage on a bit more protection, very British Contract sort of thing to do. Brown-Foreman appreciates your business.
You set the armour quality for the battlecruiser to 104% instead of 105%. Not sure if that matters much. Technically means the ship is a tiny bit better protected than it looks in the design screen. Apart from the conning tower, as that got 0 again.
I can’t be arsed pixel hunting the exact quality, so if it is 1-2% lower that’s fine because, as you say, it’s a little bit over protected
If my memory serves
There were a number of south american battleships designed and ordered at around this time that were some of the largest in the world and caused a huge controversy in england where they were being made. Ultimately the UK bought the ships at the start of WW1 if i remember correctly.
Just imagine the absolute shit storm that would happen with this blisteringly fast behemoth becomes known.
The Rio deJaneiro was ordered by Brazil and ended up being the most heavily gunned dreadnought ever built, with 7x2 12" guns. It was sold to the Ottomans due to Brazil's economy nosediving, then the Brits seized it at the outset of WW1 along with another Ottoman-ordered dreadnought. This pissed the Ottomans off, since they'd already paid for them both in full, and contributed to their decision to join the Central Powers.
The Chileans also ordered dreadnoughts from the Brits, though in their case at least the Brits paid them before taking their ships. One of them became the HMS Canada, a dreadnought. But my favorite bit of South American arms race lore is that the other was originally going to be named after my favorite figure in naval history, Thomas Cochrane. The Almirante Cochrane was eventually cut down and modified into the HMS Eagle, one of the earliest carriers. I'd like to think Cochrane would approve of his namesake's unorthodox history 😊
@harjutapa Thank you so much for the proper history. If anyone would appreciate such a modification into the future of naval arms it would be him.
“I don’t think any nation in the world has a ship like this!”
Can’t argue with that.
ironically 3:38 this is the most realistic destroyer design i've ever seen yet from any of the series....
Game called Ultimate Admiral: Dreadnoughts
Looks inside: Battlecruisers
Battlecruisers as far as the eye can see
11:50 the reason they're so much heavier is that the previous DD class had minimum torp loads, saving a lot of tonnage
You should do a destroyer design derivative of your torpedo barge TB's. :)
Brazilia embracing the speed is armor paradigm of Jackie Fischer. Especially on the conning tower.
A man way ahead of his time
And yet, you build another Kongou.
Just proves how fantastic of a design a battlecruiser with 8 14in guns, decent protection and high top speed is
18:20
Funnily enough, this was pretty much the reaction to the historic Minas Gerais. The real Minas Gerais was a dreadnought, and it made Brazil the third country to have one under construction (After the UK and the USA) She was an incredibly powerful ship for the time, and caused considerable commotion once their construction was announced.
In terms of broadside weight, She may have been the most powerful warship afloat for a short time, although I will have to double check this.
Can you add some q turrets to some ships please
Love this campaign I like the refit on the DD ❤
I hope the armor is able to be incrased a lot more later on (if I remember correctly, battlecruisers are finicky with upper armor limits, even in DIP and such)
Love battle cruiser, but I would have dropped a turret for some torpedo tubes
I guess they don't need the conning tower armor anyway, you've got better gun range than anyone else
@24:50, Brother Munro 😅, you forgot to armor the conning tower again.
seeing BM to be so happy about those BCs and then remembering that they have cordite I... well, he will be so unhappy when they go kaboom... :P
They won’t do that… will they? Uh oh…
@@BrotherMunroThey're currently at a 41% chance.
@@BrotherMunro won't happen unless your crew slackened up a bit on maintenance of the powder magazine and a lucky shell found its mark, but the barbettes look fine with adequate protection, for now.
13:09 Yes BrotherMunro, I did notice a theme. Brazilian F1 drivers!!
Good Lord, the nose on that thing lmao
Re: Design of the Brazilia class of Cruzadores de Batalha. 15:56:
Bureau of Construction and Repair, Design Division: Bureau Report: 14-Feb-11
Brief: The Brazilia class will consist of two Cruzadores de Batalha designed to a target displacement of 23,625 tons and a top speed of 30 knots. This new type of ship is an innovation which may shock the world and make every capital ship in existence obsolete.
Propulsion: The class has three new steam turbine engines provided steam by three induced draft boilers burning new either coal or oil vented though one funnels generating 36,926 indicated horsepower turning three screws for the required top speed on a design displacement of 23,591 tons fully loaded with a balanced rudder turned by electro-hydraulic power for an operational range of 7,702 nautical miles. The class carries petrol auxiliary engines for emergency power.
Armament: The class' main battery is four twin turrets mounted in super firing pairs fore and aft bearing 14"/40 Mark 2 guns with 12" face, 4" top, 12" barbette Krupp cemented armor, turned by electro-hydraulic systems with enhanced reloading, using improved Coincidence range finders, and with anti-flash hatches, internal shell handling, and thicker barbette armor. The main magazine carries a balanced load of standard sized 50% Base Fuze HE and 50% Capped Ballistic AP shells using Cordite High Burn as the propellant and TNT as the bursting charge. The secondary battery is twelve casemates mounted six per side bearing 4"/37 Mark 3 guns with 4" face and 0.3" top Krupp cemented armor. The secondary magazine carries a HE heavy standard load of standard sized 62.5% Base Fuze HE and 37.5% Capped Ballistic AP shells.
Protection: Krupp Cemented armor is clade with an added belt and deck layer 12" on the main belt, 3" on the extended belt, 0.2" on the inner belt, 3" on the main deck, 0.3" on the extended deck, 0.2" on the inner deck, and 3" on the superstructure. The Class has a double bottom hull, reinforced bulkheads separating standard compartmentation, counter-flooding systems to avoid listing, pumps and piping for flooding reduction, and improved anti-torpedo bulges. A crew of 1110 officers and enlisted men will be provided standard quarters. The class carries an advanced radio communication system.
Construction: The class will consist of the lead ship Brazilia, and Nigella. Build time will be 18 months with a commissioning time of 3 months. Cost per ship will be $200,291,300, and monthly maintenance in port of $9,013,109.
Relatório: Design of the Iguatemi class of Destruidores. 07:52:
Diretoria-Geral do Material da Marinha: Relatório da Direção: 17-May-1907
Brief: The Iguatemi class will consist of twelve Destruidores designed to a target displacement of 1,100 tons and a top speed of 31 knots. Recent war time experience demonstrates the need to replace our Torpedeiros with more capable Destruidores with heavier guns.
Propulsion: The class has three multiple expansion engines provided steam by three induced draft boilers burning new coal vented though one funnels generating 1,598 indicated horsepower turning two screws for the required top speed on a design displacement of 1,096 tons fully loaded with a unbalanced rudder turned by hydraulic power for an operational range of 4,457 nautical miles. The class carries petrol auxiliary engines for emergency power.
Armament: The class' main battery is four single mounts in superfiring pairs fore and aft bearing 4"/28 Mark 3 guns with 1" face and 0.2" top Harvey armor, turned by electro-hydraulic systems with enhanced reloading, using improved Coincidence range finders. The main magazine carries an HE heavy standard load of standard sized 62.5% Base Fuze HE and 37.5% Capped Ballistic AP shells using Cordite High Burn as the propellant and TNT as the bursting charge. Two dual Mark 2 deck torpedo mounts fore, aft, and three per side launching a standard load of 19" torpedoes with compressed air aided combustion rounds out the armament.
Protection: Nickel steel armor is clade 1" on the main belt, 1" on the extended belt, 0.2" on the main deck, 0.1" on the extended deck, 1" on the superstructure, and 1" on the conning tower. The Class has a double bottom hull and reinforced bulkheads separating reduced compartmentation, counter-flooding systems to avoid listing, pumps and piping for flooding reduction. A crew of 89 officers and enlisted men will be provided cramped quarters. The class carries an advanced radio communication system.
Construction: The class will consist of the lead ship Iguatemi, Bacalha D'Oro, Rio Negro, Lula da Silva, Guerilla, Psicopata, Rupp, Liana, Senna, Barichello, Piquet, and Massa. Build time will be 7 months with a commissioning time of 1 month. Cost per ship will be $8,563,585, and monthly maintenance in port of $282,598.
Again *screaming* at the screen: Brother, we are dying on the Bridge over here.... Well life in the Navy is hard with this admiral ;)
It’s fine, they’ll never get in range!
Relatório: Refit of the San Luis '08 class of Encrouraçdos. 06:04:
Diretoria-Geral do Material da Marinha: Relatório da Direção: 18-Aug-1908
Brief: The San Luis '08 refit will cover two Encrouraçdos designed to a target displacement of 8,000 tons and a top speed of 18 knots. This refit will upgrade the main guns, torpdoes, protection, and engineering plant of the class.
Propulsion: The class has three multiple expansion engines provided steam by three induced draft boilers burning new coal vented though one funnels generating 3,514 indicated horsepower turning three screws for the required top speed on a design displacement of 7,806 tons fully loaded with a balanced rudder turned by steam power for an operational range of 5,567 nautical miles. The class carries petrol auxiliary engines for emergency power.
Armament: The class' main battery is two twin turrets mounted fore and aft bearing 10"/40 Mark 2 guns with 10.5" face, 0.8" top, 11.5" barbette Harvey armor, turned by electro-hydraulic systems with enhanced reloading, using improved Coincidence range finders, and with anti-flash hatches, internal shell handling, and thicker barbette armor. The main magazine carries a balanced load of standard sized 50% Base Fuze HE and 50% Capped Ballistic AP shells using White Powder as the propellant and TNT as the bursting charge. The secondary battery is sixteen casemates mounted eight per side bearing 4"/38 Mark 2 guns with 2.1" face and 0.7" top Harvey armor. The secondary magazine carries a HE heavy standard load of standard sized 62.5% Base Fuze HE and 37.5% Capped AP shells. Two Mark 2 under water tubes launching a standard load of 18" torpedoes with compressed air aided combustion rounds out the armament.
Protection: Harvey armor is clade with an added belt and deck layer 11" on the main belt, 3.1" on the extended belt, 5.2" on the inner belt, 0.7" on the main deck, 0.2" on the extended deck, 0.4" on the inner deck, 1.4" on the superstructure, and 12.6" on the conning tower. The Class has a double bottom hull and reinforced bulkheads separating extensive compartmentation, counter-flooding systems to avoid listing, pumps and piping for flooding reduction, and improved anti-torpedo bulges. A crew of 744 officers and enlisted men will be provided spacious quarters. The class carries an advanced radio communication system.
Construction: The refit will cover the ship San Luis and Chaco. Refit time will be 2 months with a recommissioning time of 3 months. Valuation of each ship will rise to $44,416,780, and monthly maintenance in port will now be $1,465,754.
The brazilia class has An Area for tanning. I see.
10:01 Better use the 4" guns (that you already use) rather than using 5" guns (that you don't have on your ships). You avoid a logistical nightmare
You need to name a ship Cochrane after the first Admiral of the Brazilian Navy.
i wonder if the next video if there will be conning tower armor
Probably not 😅
Why are Torpedo boats obsolete when you honestly can use fast, vulnerable cheap torpedo rams to slam volumes of torpedos into heavy ships with poor point defense? Is it the lack of ability to add armour? Do we need to consider upgrading their speed more for evasion bonus?
I'd been wondering if small ship evasion should be reworked into a percentage debuff to range found bonuses, smaller ships being harder to accurately pinpoint at range leading to bad hit rates at long range and easier time acquiring if they get near.
I guess the Brazilians were the first to invent small tube boilers in this timeline.
Seriously, I think the speed is the most unrealistic thing here, she must be all machinery.
With the new destroyers you are wasting a fair bit of weight inducing the engine which this design does not need (it is showing 461.1% efficiency). Taking that off might give you enough free weight to increase the amount of bulkheads to medium.
It's the torp load, the previous class has reduced for a reason.
Do I need to say anything more on conning tower armor? Also, you forgot to change the gun length on the 4 in guns.
I wanted to you build your own version of the agincourt
7 centerline turrets is a 1930s tech in the game. Despite historical precedent, it is literally impossible to build Agincourt on time.
Wouldn't the best thing to do putting as much as possible into transports especially with the debuf from your government on the economy?
Generally yes, once you hit 200% though you don’t get any benefit from maxing the slider
So No beards allowed amongst the crew on this class :P
At this point the conning tower armor is not present to incentivise the crew to to stay at range
Brazilia-class? More like Brazillian Kongou-class!
Is dreadnought in Portuguese Encouraçado
Is there any advantage to making guns bigger, like say a 5 " to a 5.9:? Does in affect the range or accuracy?
Some players love the .9 versions but I never have
The game averages the stats between the 2 guns 5" - 6" so if your 6 is a higher mark but you can't fit it, a 5.X would be marginally better than a Stright 5" Never used them myself if you want weird calibers just switch to MM LOL
In Portuguese (/Brazilian Portuguese) Brasilia is spelled with an S.
😍
25:09
Fun Fact: Brasilia is spelled with a "S", not a "Z".
from dreadnought onwards the main towers shud by default come with a barbette, but nope...
You probably already know this and I doubt DiP can do anything about it but what makes the Torp the danger it is in battle is time compression.
With each war turn having 4+battles, each ONE could take 2 hours so you use time compression. When you are controlling many ships doing different things you may be elsewhere when fired on and by the time you realize it is impossible to dodge as you are at +3 time. The AI can do this easily as it's ships dodge before your torps hit the water.
The torp becomes even deadlier with higher speed and longer range given the low detection range and + time
Maybe DiP should put in options to let teh player easily change things to their liking. You have removed subs (YAY!!!) but maybe keep torps at low speed/range by vastly increasing research time. Just an idea
Might have to wait for code mods, but an auto-pause/slow down when torps are detected would potentially be an option. Although on the AI side, I think DIP made it so that as long as they don't have DD's or CL's, the AI isn't allowed to actively dodge torps until visual detection.
Where’s v3 of the mod? On the page they only have 2.3.8
It’s in alpha at the moment so to get it you need to join my discord (or go to GitHub) because you will need support with it. I’ll do a nexus release when it’s more stable
10:08 *With no mines in DIP double and triple hulls seem poor value for displacement.*
It cost your new DD class 37 tons for the double hull (+7.5% hull weight), a large part of the overweight that lead to compromises you didn't want to make.
10:36 Few → Standard Bulkheads cost 24 tons. I would rather have more bulkheads than a double hull.
Perhaps the +7.5% hull weight penalty (and +12.5% for triple hulls) should be reduced?
In this case, it was the torp load, the previous was running reduced, which is fine for Munro, as he tends to fire one salvo then set them to retreat and never touch them again.
Why does Brazilia class have 41% flash fire chance?
Cordite I, early 14" gun, low-grade barbette, Advanced Hydraulic traverse, and Enhanced Loading.
Nice design but I'm not a huge fan of the long empty nose. I would do this design as an 5×2 of 12 inch guns with heavy shells mainly cuz More Shells = Better (that's what I learned from my experience on Vanilla at least). Also 27 or 28 knots would probably be enough to this ship
And the gun layout would be similar to the Takao-class or Brooklyn-class cruisers: 3 turret up front, with turret 3 facing aft, with two rear turrets.
@@kristoffermangila no, I would preffer more an Amagi-class / Tosa-class gun layout, that way you would easly have 3 guns facing aft almost perfectly
@@moonlightsparkle2690 I see.
@@kristoffermangila my problem with the Takao/Brooklyn layout is that in order to get the 3rd gun on target if you needed to aim from port to stabord for example, your 3rd fwd turret would need to traverse 180° more or less depending on it's angle before so the guns would take much time to effectively engage the target. I know that the Amagi/Tosa layout also would mean that your 3rd turret would need to traverse more or less than 180° to engage an enemy on the other side of the ship but at least it would be faster to engage enemies that are chasing you. Also I think that depending on how far this tharget is, you could probably fire the 3rd turret over the 4th turret
Question!? : @ 9:40-ish could this be considered a Brazilian torpedo thong? bahahahaha
Funny things is the ship "lula da Silva" is the name of the current president of Brazil Luis Inácio Lula Da Silva
I just do not understand. Put a sticky on your screen to add armor to the conning tower. I mean at this point it feels on purpose 😞
Why do you put 3" of Main Deck armour on your ship when your own OP guns can only pen 1,5" max with AP?
Planning for the future
@BrotherMunro right, bcs I rock till 1910 with 1,5" and then 1" & 0,5" layers. Even though I don't know how much I should rely on layering, it will still be a partial pen so still hurts I guess
Brazilia wasn't even an idea at that time. So why does this ship has thats name ?
Alternate universe: Brasilia is already designated as the capital and construction has been underway for some time.
It looks like BB kongo
I decided to try and use your mod today and it has completely broken my game and now says failed to find Melon loader.
Sounds like you’re trying dipv3 which is very much experimental. You need to make sure you use melon loader 0.64, annoyingly the latest version does not work.
@ Well I removed your mod and my game still does not work even if I uninstall or validate files.
@@jammiedodger7040 you need to uninstall melon loader as well
@@BrotherMunro Thanks I just deleted the whole game folder 😂
What version does it work on as can not work that out?
Brazilia is spelled Brasilia.
I know but the spelling is per the naming request (I think)
Yes it is
Relatório: Refit of the Grajaú class of Cruzadores Blindado. 04:46:
Diretoria-Geral do Material da Marinha: Relatório da Direção: 11-Aug-1908
Brief: The Grajaú '08 class refit will cover four Cruzadores Blindado designed to a target displacement of 10,500 tons and a top speed of 21 knots. This refit will upgrade the secondary guns, torpdoes, and engineering plant of the class.
Propulsion: The class has three multiple expansion engines provided steam by three induced draft boilers burning new coal vented though two funnels generating 19,270 indicated horsepower turning three screws for the required top speed on a design displacement of 8,348 tons fully loaded with a balanced rudder turned by hydraulic power for an operational range of 3,200 nautical miles. The class carries petrol auxiliary engines for emergency power.
Armament: The class' main battery is two twin turrets mounted fore and aft bearing 9"/35 Mark 2 guns with 9" face, 1.5" top, 9" barbette Harvey armor, turned by advanced hydraulic power with enhanced reloading, using improved Coincidence range finders, and with anti-flash hatches, internal shell handling, and thicker barbette armor. The main magazine carries a balanced load of standard sized 50% Base Fuze HE and 50% Capped Ballistic AP shells using white powder as the propellant and TNT as the bursting charge. The secondary battery is eighteen casemates mounted nine per side bearing 3"/38 Mark 3 guns with 2" face and 0.2" top Harvey armor. The secondary magazine carries a HE heavy standard load of standard sized 62.5% Base Fuze HE and 37.5% Capped Ballistic AP shells. Four Mark 2 under water tubes fore, aft, and two per side launching a standard load of 18" torpedoes with compressed air aided combustion rounds out the armament.
Protection: Harvey armor is clade with an added belt and deck layer 6" on the main belt, 2" on the extended belt, 3.7" on the inner belt, 0.5" on the main deck, 0.2" on the extended deck, .2" on the inner deck, 2" on the superstructure, and 9" on the conning tower. The Class now has a double bottom hull and reinforced bulkheads separating extensive compartmentation, counter-flooding systems to avoid listing, pumps and piping for flooding reduction, and improved anti-torpedo bulges. A crew of 560 officers and enlisted men will be provided standard quarters. The class carries advanced radio communication systems.
Construction: The refit will cover the Grajaú, Piratini, Cruzeiro do Sul, and Defensora. Refit time will be 2 months with a recommissioning time of 2 months. Valuation of each ship will rise to $37,809,340, and monthly maintenance in port will now be $1,247,708.