Great work Welonz! It’s a running joke in the MGS fandom that people still insist Iroquois Pliskin and Solid Snake are two different people. Even today conspiracy theories are being posted 😂.
Solidus definitely doesn't sound British though, haha. He has to be American for him to have been US president. Liquid was a Brit though. Or still is. Do arm ghosts have nationalities? Is Ocelot a dual citizen by way of Liquid now? Who knows.
And older, which I don't think is ever explained beyond he's supposed to be the closest to Big Boss. in terms of genetics as Liquid alluded to back on the Tanker - probably why he needs that muscle suit too. It goes without saying, but his voice actor, John Cygan was phenomenal when it came to delivering the gravitas of his lines. I actually heard him prior to this game in KOTOR before playing MGS2 and he was just as amazing. He also played the protagonist in Call of Juarez Gunslinger. Sadly he passed away in 2017 due to cancer.
The clones of Big Boss all have advanced aging. Solidus' more so due to the fact he was designed as a "perfect" clone but Snake suffers from it too. Liquid alluded to it back at the end of the Tanker chapter.
@@Ravenite456 I know but Solidus aging faster is never elaborated on, though as Welonz and others theorized, it might have been to help sell him as president.
"How many factions are even here? I don't even know what side im on." Yeah welcome to, like, layer 3 of the plot of MGS2. How many layers are there? Well we'll see lmao. I adore this game, even if it took me like 3 playthroughs to fully get the plot.
0:33 - I say, I say; why didn't Raiden know which hostage was the one he wanted? He wasn't good with Ames. 14:39 - Ah, Liquid Snake ... even in death, he's powered by sheer boundless rage! 36:25 - I do love how the guards never rat out their sleeping comrades to the bosses ... their sense of camaraderie must be strong! 53:16 - "...But no, Raiden, they just seem like very good friends." 55:46 - "...And heard his voice over the sound of a HELICOPTER?!" 1:07:50 - Wow, THAT was probably the most epic final second of a boss fight ever. 1:11:14 - If I mentioned the quote, "I don't have time to die, I'm too busy!", would anyone recognise it?
Well, well seems Pseudonym McFakeName was Solid Snake all along. Also did anyone else think the context of "Stop impersonating him" was referring to Big Boss?
Iirc the japanese VA for Solidus is the same for Solid, so when you overhear him with ocelot you hear Solid speaking making the claim that Solid is the terrorist leader more "belivable". -Ocelot's voice also doesnt change when Liquid takes control.- Wrong about that last line, my mistake😅
@@Nexdex i just checked and youre right. Also apparently the japanese voice cast is stacked. Banjou Ginga as Liquid is perfect casting. Kaneto Shiozawa, Daisuke Gori, Akio and Chikao Otsuka. Wish the games came with dual audio options.
@@g2.a6Depressing fact: since MGS2 uses clips of MGS1 lines when uttered by the Ninja in the Japanese version, this game is the last piece of media featuring Kaneto Shiozawa, who sadly passed away a year before it even released.
@@g2.a6 Akio and Chikao-san were such good picks for MGS4... RIP the father, he passed away in 2015 at the age of 85. And yes, I wish there was dual audio in the English release. Also, what do you think about Kiefer Sutherland for the ENG cast? Should have Kojima chosen him for the earlier, relevant games for the role(s) he plays?
@@subarusama5673 i really liked him in MGSV, wish he had more cutscenes. Hayter made the role his own tho. Imo Keifer should be brought back if they remake the OG MG games. With him voicing Venom/BB and Hayter voicing Solid.
Easter eggs in this episode from the top of my head: -You can do all kinds of stuff with the hostages, like scare them (one will even pee themselves) and upskirt an office lady to get an upset codec call from Rose. -The more hostages you ask about Ames, the more annoyed Raiden will sound. -All these mic scenes have parallel conversations you can catch sweeping the area.
an idea kojima had, was, rose would be tailored for you, you wouldent see her through the game, only at the end, after you had interaction and had your own replies to her stuff, they would generate a rose based on your answers. it was scrapped since having an unknowen person is not something that would help you get attached to, but you still have alot of those personal conversations.
Welonz! Since you like good stories in videogames i might suggest a couple: The BannerSaga, a trilogy about surving a breaking world. OregonTrail meet TurnBasedRPG.. your choices will determine who reaches the end and what end will you get. OST and Atmosphere on point! Haven, quite a cozy game about two lovers escaped a controlling governent to a new planet and having to survive and hopefully thrive..made by the same devs behind Stray and Fury. OST by Danger! This one is actually...interesting if you play it with your significant other xD no drama at all xD
You said something about Solidus sounding British. He does not sound British at all to me and I am British. I feel compelled to bring it to your attention. Liquid did though.
@@Welonz Its understandable you'd be thrown off. Solidus has a very particular manner of speaking, which makes sense since he's from an era where we still expected our world leaders to be eloquent, composed and commanding. Those days seem so far away now.
@@Avenger85438 that eloquent and composed manner you mention is reserved for "evil" characters in modern fiction. It's a real shame as often the opposite is true.
This is the kind of game you can play 10 times and still discover new things on your next playthrough. It's pretty crazy. I think you missed all the easter egg codec calls so far. Call in weird situations.
Lol Welonz, you have no idea. This story is pretty dang deep. All i can say is try and pay attention, and if you have any legitimate questions, people are here for you at the end of this lets play. For now just absorb what you can.
Great work Welonz! It’s a running joke in the MGS fandom that people still insist Iroquois Pliskin and Solid Snake are two different people. Even today conspiracy theories are being posted 😂.
Never seen them in the same room together tho! 🤪🤪
@@cthulhu888 Exactly! Snake died on that tanker two years ago. smfh
They should make a game where you play as that Pliskin guy. He seemed pretty cool!
@@IfYouSeekCavemanHe’s so cool they even made a movie about him, Escape from New York!
Solidus definitely doesn't sound British though, haha. He has to be American for him to have been US president. Liquid was a Brit though. Or still is. Do arm ghosts have nationalities? Is Ocelot a dual citizen by way of Liquid now? Who knows.
To clear something simple up. Solidus is the former president, George Sears. He was the president during the first game. He is not currently president
Snake: "There's something my best friend said to me once-"
Otacon: "Dude. I'm right here. Rude."
Solidus: I'M THE BIGGEST BOSS TO SURPASS BIG BOSS. BOSS BOSS BOSS
Raiden: You know, I don't even care anymore.
Now check out my muscles! HHRRNNNNGGHHH
"It takes a well rounded man like yourself to rule the world..."
"FLACCIDOUS"
Ames: "Let's switch over to Nano-communication."
Ocelot: "Damn it, now I have no idea he's a spy."
No, that is NOT Solid Snake
STOP IMPERSONATING HIM!
HE SAID THE LINE
No, that is NOT solid snake!
And older, which I don't think is ever explained beyond he's supposed to be the closest to Big Boss. in terms of genetics as Liquid alluded to back on the Tanker - probably why he needs that muscle suit too.
It goes without saying, but his voice actor, John Cygan was phenomenal when it came to delivering the gravitas of his lines. I actually heard him prior to this game in KOTOR before playing MGS2 and he was just as amazing. He also played the protagonist in Call of Juarez Gunslinger.
Sadly he passed away in 2017 due to cancer.
The clones of Big Boss all have advanced aging. Solidus' more so due to the fact he was designed as a "perfect" clone but Snake suffers from it too. Liquid alluded to it back at the end of the Tanker chapter.
@@Ravenite456 I know but Solidus aging faster is never elaborated on, though as Welonz and others theorized, it might have been to help sell him as president.
40:15 yeah you are KIND OF right, in Japanese, Solid Snake and Solidus share the same VA so it's more confusing than in English.
just FYI, Solidus in Japan is voiced by the same VA as Solid Snake, I think the casting in English made it less of a mind farkrey.
Hello, joke police? Yes, it is this title, take it away.
My snake is solid alright. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
*Solid Snake is near*
Liquid's arm: initiate tingling
Such a clutch episode, from the the hiding in the box to the surviving the falls after the attack of the harrier.
Love This part :D
"How many factions are even here? I don't even know what side im on."
Yeah welcome to, like, layer 3 of the plot of MGS2. How many layers are there? Well we'll see lmao. I adore this game, even if it took me like 3 playthroughs to fully get the plot.
Once you know what's going on fully it's not so bad. But first time is bad.
2:54 LOL you almost got Ames first try ughhh that hurt
0:33 - I say, I say; why didn't Raiden know which hostage was the one he wanted?
He wasn't good with Ames.
14:39 - Ah, Liquid Snake ... even in death, he's powered by sheer boundless rage!
36:25 - I do love how the guards never rat out their sleeping comrades to the bosses ... their sense of camaraderie must be strong!
53:16 - "...But no, Raiden, they just seem like very good friends."
55:46 - "...And heard his voice over the sound of a HELICOPTER?!"
1:07:50 - Wow, THAT was probably the most epic final second of a boss fight ever.
1:11:14 - If I mentioned the quote, "I don't have time to die, I'm too busy!", would anyone recognise it?
You must be Ames.
_I'm Richard Ames._
You must be Ames.
"Boy I say boy your vr training ain't done you no good boy!" 😝👎
Indeed I would Goge
"It might be--" beep beep beep beep, "this-" beep beep, "guy." beep beep beep beep. beep.
Do you know what -tomorrow- today is?
New MGS video day, let’s goooo!
June 20th?
@@NicoTheCinderaceA Hideo Kojima DateTM
Well, well seems Pseudonym McFakeName was Solid Snake all along.
Also did anyone else think the context of "Stop impersonating him" was referring to Big Boss?
23:20 I belive you gave up too soon on the cardboard box. Even if he kicks it, as long as he doesnt lift you are fine.
No, that is NOT solid snake!
Solidus' introduction is probably my favourite cutscene in the game.
SOLID-ESQUE SNAKE!!
Iirc the japanese VA for Solidus is the same for Solid, so when you overhear him with ocelot you hear Solid speaking making the claim that Solid is the terrorist leader more "belivable". -Ocelot's voice also doesnt change when Liquid takes control.- Wrong about that last line, my mistake😅
Ocelot's voice does change in Japanese as well.
@@Nexdex i just checked and youre right.
Also apparently the japanese voice cast is stacked. Banjou Ginga as Liquid is perfect casting. Kaneto Shiozawa,
Daisuke Gori, Akio and Chikao Otsuka.
Wish the games came with dual audio options.
@@g2.a6Depressing fact: since MGS2 uses clips of MGS1 lines when uttered by the Ninja in the Japanese version, this game is the last piece of media featuring Kaneto Shiozawa, who sadly passed away a year before it even released.
@@g2.a6 Akio and Chikao-san were such good picks for MGS4... RIP the father, he passed away in 2015 at the age of 85.
And yes, I wish there was dual audio in the English release. Also, what do you think about Kiefer Sutherland for the ENG cast? Should have Kojima chosen him for the earlier, relevant games for the role(s) he plays?
@@subarusama5673 i really liked him in MGSV, wish he had more cutscenes. Hayter made the role his own tho. Imo Keifer should be brought back if they remake the OG MG games. With him voicing Venom/BB and Hayter voicing Solid.
Easter eggs in this episode from the top of my head:
-You can do all kinds of stuff with the hostages, like scare them (one will even pee themselves) and upskirt an office lady to get an upset codec call from Rose.
-The more hostages you ask about Ames, the more annoyed Raiden will sound.
-All these mic scenes have parallel conversations you can catch sweeping the area.
an idea kojima had, was, rose would be tailored for you, you wouldent see her through the game, only at the end, after you had interaction and had your own replies to her stuff, they would generate a rose based on your answers.
it was scrapped since having an unknowen person is not something that would help you get attached to, but you still have alot of those personal conversations.
Yes, that INDEED MIGHT BE Solid Snake.
I like how you could *hear* Ocelot's revolver spin before Solidus stopped him.
This title is fire🔥🔥
These titles are so funny
1:01:10
1:01:53 lol
Welonz!
Since you like good stories in videogames i might suggest a couple:
The BannerSaga, a trilogy about surving a breaking world. OregonTrail meet TurnBasedRPG.. your choices will determine who reaches the end and what end will you get.
OST and Atmosphere on point!
Haven, quite a cozy game about two lovers escaped a controlling governent to a new planet and having to survive and hopefully thrive..made by the same devs behind Stray and Fury. OST by Danger!
This one is actually...interesting if you play it with your significant other xD no drama at all xD
She did a video on Haven 3 years ago, but no full playthrough: ruclips.net/video/zXi9IMiGq-s/видео.html
@@apteixdamn! I Must have missed it! Even Search through the channel to make sure!
NO! That is NOT Solid Snake!
23:20 I belive you gave up too soon on the cardboard box. Even if he kicks it, as long as he doesnt lift you are fine.
Gotta love when villains forget that jets can kill people from miles away and doesn’t have to stay in range of helicopters and small arms fire
Epic.
I know this is old but yes they are homing missiles you just have to be patient
Solidus losing his eye in this fight is a reference to Big Boss from Metal Gear 1 and 2, who was also missing an eye.
1:05:40 He's so smug for hitting you with one of his massive amount of rockets xD
No! That is NOT Solid Snake!
NO! That is NOT Solid Snake! >:(
Stop impersonating him! >:O
07:02 Completely normal phenomenon
55:42 When game journalist uses an image of Big Boss when talking about Solid Snake.
You said something about Solidus sounding British. He does not sound British at all to me and I am British. I feel compelled to bring it to your attention. Liquid did though.
yeah I don't think he sounds British either upon review! but I absolutely would mistake stuff like British vs Scottish accents lol
@@Welonz Bri*sh
@@Welonz Its understandable you'd be thrown off. Solidus has a very particular manner of speaking, which makes sense since he's from an era where we still expected our world leaders to be eloquent, composed and commanding.
Those days seem so far away now.
@@Avenger85438 that eloquent and composed manner you mention is reserved for "evil" characters in modern fiction. It's a real shame as often the opposite is true.
@@Welonz yeah that's fair enough. Accents is a minefield, especially over here and it's not like I can tell other countries apart most of the time.
I love that everyone who plays this game forget that US presidents change every few years x3
This is the kind of game you can play 10 times and still discover new things on your next playthrough. It's pretty crazy. I think you missed all the easter egg codec calls so far. Call in weird situations.
Lol Welonz, you have no idea. This story is pretty dang deep. All i can say is try and pay attention, and if you have any legitimate questions, people are here for you at the end of this lets play. For now just absorb what you can.
Hiiiii