Installing the Chains on the Mini 4WD Trophy Truck Project - Part 4
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Today we are starting a new chain driven 4WD project. In this video we get everything laid out and start working on building the frame. we get the front A-arms built and tacked into place and also decide where the seats are going to go.
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You build really nice things man… there are some other YT’ers out there building quality stuff like GHPC, but the fact that you do everything alone really deserves a lot of respect and proves you are very talented! Keep up the good work Chris!
Donn DIY !!!!!!!!!!
💯 man ..do what you enjoy.
To be fair, I do think Ethan does 99% of the fabrication for GHP. But their style is different, Chris definitely shows more in his videos, which I prefer, which comes across as more mature content. GHP is more of a "Boys Gone Wild" kinda vibe and they HARD focus on marketing.
I come here to see engineering and fabrication, totally different audience to GHPC where they're like a bunch of cowboys building cool stuff meant to last one video
Dont look very reliable .. Above 10 mph.
Design it, build it, break it, do it again, learn. I have been in the tool and die, mold making and machining industry for over 50 years. You’re doing a fine job! Keep up the good work. When you demonstrate what works and what doesn’t work, everyone learns.
I'd say yes to adding the door just to challenge yourself. Like you said at the end: you have fun building stuff over just adding parts on, and this would be your first time adding doors to a project
Yeah what he said keep the hits rolling
I'd love to see you make this thing have doors. It would be so much easier to get in and out of! You can also have the sides much higher for side protection that way.
I was thinking the same thing, would be nice
I used to watch this channel a few years ago when me and my neighborhood friends were building dirtbikes and go karts in high school, crazy that i stumbled upon it now and am addicted to these videos. Absolutely fascinating to see some of your lathe and machine work. Might have to invest in some machines for my shop!
to get the sprocket close to centered, you could use your tailstock to press against the chuck, roughly centering the bore to the tailstock (around 5 minutes in)
Awesome work! You build it your own way and we will keep watching it! Thank you for the great content and most of all thank you for your hard work! A build like this is a labor of love and you can’t complain about love
I been here since the beginning and I gotta say I have questioned your methods but you always figure it. Plus your skills have improved tremendously. The slight interference fit of machined parts is proof compared to the lack of it previously. Nice work. Love seeing the progress
It's good you keep challenging yourself making your parts. It's what has made you where you are today with your skill level.
I do like the fact that the drive sprocket is on the same plane as the suspension pivot point. It keeps the chain tension equal throughout the suspension travel. This definitely keeps the chains happy, and in turn it will last much longer.
No anti squat reaction though
Protip: you would save yourself a ton of time to productize some components and make them into self as series production. You could still make different frames etc but use some ready made components that take time. Just having the same tools set up and then make ten or 20 instead of two saves a lot time.
I never realized how much chains have been used all through out history. They scare me at high speeds haha, hopefully you make a good tunnel cover! Love the builds man
Nothing wrong with motorcycle engines, but you should use manual transmissions, and differentials :D
I remember a story about a land speed record holder having one snap and kill him. I think the car was called bluebird? It's been a while since I watched the story.
Even the road graders use them in back wheels where the forces are biggest.
@@tinkerne-round4079 Parry Thomas was kill 1927 it was thought that he was killed by a chain but apparently that wasn't the cause. Here's the link if you are interested. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._G._Parry-Thomas
@@tinkerne-round4079 If I remember rightly there was one that used a chain drive but it was something like a 24L aeroplane engine, apparently he looked to see what the noise was and it decapitated him. It was on a beach in England. Many years ago (1920s if I remember right), chains have come a very long way since also he is using a bike engine, it's got no where near the torque or power, also it runs much smoother, as long as its maintained it should be fine, I would however question the quality of the Chinese chain (I'd use a DID zvmx-x) also the length of the front chain could be a concern, a very slight bit of wear on all those links would create a huge amount of slack, it would also need guides to stop it slapping. 👍
I’d say adding doors is definitely a good idea just for ease of access in general, in addition to being safer/easier to get out of in case of a roll over.
Also, on the last video I saw a comment about possible running the seats in a slightly more leaned back position in order to be able to drop the heigh of the roof a little bit. Absolutely no idea how practical or comfortable that would be for you but I think dropping the roof at least a little would make it proportionally closer to the look of a trophy truck. The build looks killer so far though!
Honesty I’ve always wondered why you made nearly everything from scratch. Now that I know, I feel that is pretty darn admirable! Ultimately for me, I love seeing you build, so if it means there is more to build, than that just means more content to watch. Keep up the fantastic work!
I like that Chris always does challenging projects and increasing his skills. Watch any other channel out there, and you'll see how rare he really is.
Gull wing or scissor doors would be cool, also a nice challenge. 👍
It would be sweet to see you do a project history where you pull out and showcase all your builds on the channel, you’ve got so many I’m sure there are people that have forgot about some of your builds, personally my favorite build is your snowmobile go cart because I ride snowmobiles and know a lot about them
That would be a good video to do. I agree
no one likes re-runs, just go back and watch the videos again, he has them well-organised in playlists on his channel
@@Ghryst why the hate? And I didn’t say re run, I said a show case, and it seems like other people agree with me that they would like to see that, if you don’t like the idea, then don’t watch the video if he makes one like that.
@@jackfulton6696 hate? i dont fear re-runs, im not rerunphobic, your imaginations are just that and false hate-accusations are despicable, Mr Smollet.
of course most people agree with you, because the mode average IQ of the public is well below the statistical median average.
@@Ghryst you didn’t like my idea, and felt the need to reply saying no one wants to see what I suggested, even though other people agree with me, and now your claiming that people who want to see his old builds again have a low IQ, that sounds like hate to me
Absolutely think you should do the doors idea… as for the chain thing, the first atv’s were exclusively chain driven. There’s many utv’s that use chain drive still, while not a speed daemon by any means, Argos use very complex chain drive set ups. Builds looking good!
Plenty of people on RUclips use bolt on stuff (boring) that’s why people like myself, love to watch your content! That’s because everything is custom to the next level! All created using brain power and experience! Keep it up dude! And we’ll done!
Exactly!! Thanks man!
@@ratherBweldingChris i would highly recommend boxing the A-arms and trailing arms with some sheet metal. maybe 1/8th or 1/4 inch. Adds a ton of strength for the weight. looks badass too.
I love the fab that you do. It is amazing to see you make something out of a pile of steel into a really cool off roading machine! I also like it when you take us with you so we can see your creations out in the wild. Thank you for sharing you work with us!
He doesn't do car stuff. He does what he does and that's why we watch.
I do not know who u are and why
Chains are actually very efficient in power transfer.
Noise can be an issue.
Your methods a good that is the content I’m looking for.
All for the engineering and problem solving. Bolting parts together is for 12 year old kids. 12 year old kids having fun, learning and growing skills.
On your dog build I would drill the pin holes through all plates at the same time then on the female side open up the back side for engagement play.
This would be to have positive power transfer across all pins at the same time. Making them separately any variance in clearance has to wear in or the pins have to bend until contact is equally distributed across all pins. Not saying the way you did it isn’t right end result would be the same.
Awesome work!
Just keep having fun with your projects and we will enjoy watching. What you do is creative and many times outside of the normal way we tend to think witch is how invention works! Keep up the great work and we will be here to watch and enjoy your crazy mind.
I've been around fab work my whole life building roll cages for race cars and all that as a kid and still today I couldn't build one and get every angle perfect by myself it takes some serious skill to do. I love you're work it's just amazing.
I kind of had a feeling that's how you were going to lock and unlock for the front spool. It works well and all things considered, simple and reliable.
@@mostlymotorized i don’t think it would pop out of gear at all. If anything, it would shear the pins off before popping out.
things man… there are some other YT’ers out there building quality stuff like GHPC, but the fact that you do everything alone really deserves a lot of respect and proves you are very talented! Keep up the good work Chris
I love watching been watching for a long long time seen the progress overall in design, build and quality keep getting better and love the fact you create from scratch as much as you can 👌
Hey , I just keep watching your videos from France , I am only 24 but you make me want to achieve my objectives . Have a garage at home with all the tools I need to build stuff as well as you do .
Allready a mecanic industrial technicien , I just keep learning things with you .
Thank’s a lot ❤
You have some exceptional skills for a young man. With the limited amount of space you have to work in and the tools you have, you create some amazing machines! Thanks again for the awesome video man!
Thasnk you for explaining why you prefer to work with chain drive systems over shaft driven systems (though I had motorbike shafts in my head rather than car driveshafts).
Your explaination makes perfect sense to me (I happen to prefer making things over buying them too!)
Do some simple removable doors like on a Jeep Wrangler, I think you'll appreciate them a lot. The build is coming along great
I just love the simplicity of your videos, and don't get me started on the music you use🤩🤩😍
Have you ever looked at making your own 1:1 "differential" using the spider gears from a truck or car differential and making the case and other parts? By making a 1:1 unit a driveshaft should spin alot slower making the presision less critical and allowing you to keep the gearing of the transmission simple. And you would be able to make it much smaller then a full diff from a truck or car.
I love the concept. I really like all things mechanical and there is just something cool about chains
You can make a plate to go on the router base, or even an enclosure to mount the router in, to make more flat area to put your work on, making the process easier and more accurate.
Like the use of the cordless grinderhammer by the way.
I see! Then it would be anchored by the body of the router, so it will be more secure. Make an enclosure with a block of two by four screwed to the bottom. That way you can still clamp it in the vice and stick it on a shelf when you are not using it. 😃
Don’t listen to the negative commenters. Just keep doing your thing. As long as you are getting them built and having fun doing it, then u are killing it.
My only concern would be the 4 bearings on 1 shaft, once the frame flexes a little you will either start to warp shaft and break eventually or bearing will go bad
Thanks for taking the time to explain your logic on using chain drive setups on your builds! I've often wondered why you tend to steer away from shaft drive systems.
Chris, project is coming along great. For the center chain, the idler/tensioner should be on the top side, because the pull load is on the bottom side. Further, for chain guides, I’d look at making them out of UHMW, a type of plastic that can easily be worked, but should resist wear from the chain passing over it. Last, you didn’t mention the sprocket ratios. I’m hoping your 17T to front sprocket matches your rear ratio. Keep up the great work.
Yes, yes and yes!! 😀
@@jlucasound thanks man. I seem to remember a company I worked for, 35 years ago, using UHMW for this application. I’ve used UHMW for other things recently, and it seems suitable. I don’t think Chris’ creations see enough miles to really wear something like this out anyway.
You skill on the lathe , tig ..etc is really fun to watch , Im a newbie too lathe now couple years in , and your work on a lathe is helping me learn some new tricks forsure .thanks for sharing your work .
great execution! would definitively encase the crash boxes and waterproof the entire trans tunnel.
Without that, the selector forks will have issues with foreign objects or rust and wear quickly.
With rollers or sliders you definitively can make the center trans tunnel structural and integrate the chain in the structure with two tubes.
That loooong chain will be the cooling system itself, dragging the oil back and forth from each end, giving it room to cool without any external feature, besides an atmosphere vent (and a balancing pipe of some sort linking both cases, so oil wont pool on one side only, like a gravity return, where the oil sloshing forward when braking, flows in the link pipe, returning oil to the rear and vice versa).
sealing would be fairly easy, two automotive oil seals on each side of the "boxes" and the boxes being very simplified differential cases, with bolted on sides. anyhow, encasing the chain is a big thing with this project. it will reduce friction losses, links will be cooler and the gears wont wear quite as quickly.
also allows you to oil quench the gears to harden them without fear of a foreign object breaking them.
I’m following you quite a long time from you don’t have any perfect and complete tools/equipments with normal type of camera until now i see the progress you made impressed me. Your video not boring to watch clear explanations and we learn together.. keep it up man.. you are unique..
Btw I’m from Malaysia ❤
I like the way you do things! ONe of the reasons for watching your channel is the fact that you build most everything. KEEP DOING WHAT YOU HAVE A PASSION FOR AND PEOPLE WILL COME!!
I think doors that also are frame/frame support would be awesome, and a whole lot easier in/out.
Thank You for saying why your going with Chain in this build! Ok good!! 👍🏻👍🏻💯
I hear you and applaud you sticking to what you enjoy! If you ever want to depart from motorcycle and snow machine engines, please consider small diesels like a Perkins 3-cyl or other small diesel.
Your engineering skills are up there with the best of the bunch, I love the "take my own road" approach, being a woodworking guy I absolutely get that and its fun. One thing I cringed about is where you removed the metal bars form the CNC and then hitting it with the cordless grinder - respect the tools man and they will in turn respect you much more. Keep up the work and love to see the end results.
You are the BEST, Thank you, for your's teaching us. God bless you.
I like the door idea. In my head, I’d say a drop down door. Opposite of gull wing. Love you style of having fun and doing what you want. Don’t listen to S talkers!
I agree with you on using chains, I had a push bike with a speedo that I bought for it, and clocked the speedo as in distance wise, plus two years before fitting the speedo, and absolutely no chain issues, ok so wasn't as abusive as offroading, but as long as the chain isn't able to pick up stones and chippings to get caught in the cogs, then chains are close to as reliable as driveshafts, as long as running true and straight, and annual oiling at bear minimum.
Well done. More amazing work. I look forward to seeing your new videos as they come out. Don't worry about the sceptics, without them we wouldn't have the daring.
I would love to see how you make doors for this. I feel that if you are debating it, it is for a reason and you should go with it. They would have a really secure latching/locking mechanism and probably be 'part' of the frame to give it structure. Perhaps a pros and cons list is in order... Keep up the great work. Look forward to the next one.
You like the challenge, do half doors! Less of a squeeze if you get hurt in the thing getting out!
Just add stubby half or third height doors to ease access. This leaves some solid side frame for strength. Keep up the great work!
I dont think you really need to explain yourself on the "why chain drive" Chris. I think you've already proven that the mid-shaft chain drive system is really practical. Also, the reason I watch your channel is because of your talent at machining & building most from scratch. Also that you're not doing something that every other youtuber is doing. Your creations are truly unique. Dont ever loose that bro.
Just an idea about the doors, if you think the window opening might be to small what about when you build the roof roll cage you make a small section of it open upward like Delorian / Lamborghini doors, this would allow you to keep the structure and look that you are wanting for the side. This would give you more space for entry and would not compromise any integrity of the roll cage and the doors or hatches if you will would be on the roof where you would not really see them, you could even add in those small hydraulic dampers so they self open smoothly when unlatched
Great idea! 😃
Good lord that front chain looks terrifying!
You're doing almost exactly what i wanted to build except the rear axles. I agree on chain and motorcycle engine. Roll cage and all that.
Always awesome to see your ingenuity and fearless approach.
Thanks.
I enjoy watching u turn things on your Lathe you make it look so easy
This build (and documentation of the build) is really great. Thanks for taking the time and care to make this series. I also love the multi-purpose grinder/ hammer at 15:30
This is my favorite sunday channel.
A thought for the plasma cutter set up, put a mesh or "chicken wire" style shelf 6 inches below the cutting surface to catch the pieces as they fall. you won't have to bend over as much to grab them and the over-spray of the cutter can pass through to the bottom
Use a stainless mesh on the slats to stop the dross grabbing. And spray the mesh with some spray grease or anything to stop it sticking 🤩
Angle grinder hammer 🔨! Haha love it. Great build!
Great job look forward to the completion
27:30 You can put each chain inside a pvc pipe, than put the pvc pipes inside of an oval exhaust pipe to run the length between the sprockets. The pvc will be your sliders and prevent the chains from hitting or slapping, with the oval pipe being your chain guard and mount. You can make a tensioner at the front and rear with a pair of sprockets that ride the top and bottom of the chain that are adjusted together to guide the chains into and out of the pipe.
Sounds good in theory but PCV when exposed to the elements for extended periods of time will become extremely brittle and it will more or less explode once it gets to cold or ages in the elements. He’d be better off getting some blocks of plastic used for dirt bike/four wheeler chain sliders and make his own where necessary
What you do, Chris, is amazing! I've been following you for a long time, and I applaud your growth, quality, and consistency! You are truly inspirational, and I encourage you to do exactly what makes you happy in your shop on your channel 😊
God bless you 🙏
I was looking at your build and you gave me an idea. What if maybe in one of your future builds instead of using those differentials you use transfer cases from ranger pickups. That way you can use 4x4 or unlock the front to use rear wheel drive or unlock the rear to use front wheel drive. You can connect the two with chain drive just like you have. You would even be able to change gear ratios between the front and rear to get out of situations. Watching you machine the parts is the best part of your videos you always give me ideas.
This is an amazing series!! Keep it up!!
Y’all need sawtooth shaped slats for your plasma table might help. Cool build so far
Yup - that's exactly the problem. I'd be surprised if the arc droid doesn't come with CNC templates for these to cut itself.
You make some really amazing stuff, yes too the doors and maybe some removable Perspex windows ? So you can use it all year round, so you can remove doors and windows in the hot weather and put them back on for winter 🥶 so you don’t freeze to death and stay somewhat dry and warm? On the plus side of using the motorcycle engines you can also use the wiring harness to run lights a dashboard, then you got power to weight ratio and the ability to change the gearing/sprockets are all cheaper than it would be to change gear ratios in car gearing. Anyway you know all this stuff already….keep the awesome builds coming…..maybe get it street legal so you can really get the use of all your hard work 👍 you are a true craftsman 👏👏👏
Guarantee if you try it once where you take car parts like CV axles and and a car engine and a drive shafts and put them into your build guarantee you're still going to have fun because that comes with different challenges that you got to figure out and be interesting to watch you work that out
Since you have the arcdroid, use it to cut the parts for its own table!
Make a "sawtooth" design for the table so the part only sits on tiny peaks in the lateral bars. It's what the pro tables come with. I actually found the teeth were too short and the slab was still sticking so I made some hugely long teeth for the plate to rest on
I would love to see a mini crawler (not a rock bouncer), could use driveshafts and a transfer case to keep the engine up front. I think it would be amazing! Also solid front and rear axles with coilovers.
Keep up the good work. I love all the custom built builds. Cant wait to see the fully built.
I love the way you build your stuff because that's what makes you different from everyone else and to me your builds are fantastic and your channel is very sweet. Keep up the great work there's alot of us that love to see how you're going to be putting the next parts together. God Bless you and your family. 🙏🙏💯💪👍👍👌
For the chain slide you could use snowmobile hyfax, they are cheap and made to be wear resistant. And you’d probably just need two and that would give you plenty of length.
I definitely would worry about snapping one of those chains. I'd be thinking about snowblowers and shear pins. When the auger on a snowblower binds up the shear pin let's go to minimize any damage. Imagine the amount of torque it would take to snap one of those chains. A frame member or axle would likely bend first. Better for a keyway to let go first. A quick and easy trail repair get you back running again , rather than the deadly sharpnel a broken chain may cause. Engineer in the failure/safety point in advance.
You are one hell of a machinist mate. It's great to see you taking a piece of rusty stock and turn it into a precision component.
Man its going be awesome, and as long as your having fun, with what you are doing with motorcycle engine. its amazing to see how far you came from when you first started.
Thanks for filming Chris. 👍😁
For the "doors" just make a single bar swing out of the way to make it easier to get in and out. My only concern with the design is having the rear suspension pivot on a rotating shaft. That is asking the bearings to do quite a lot with the extra loads that they will be seeing but I am sure it will work for a while anyhow. Lol. I like seeing how you come up with solutions that others haven't tried because I do that as well and have had pretty good results as well along with my share of failures.
I know chains are cool and stuff, but there are lots of 4x4 transfer cases you can weld a flange for a sprocket on the input shaft. Not judging.
Turning out great!! Can’t wait to see the finished project!!! Building a cross kart with a 600cc two stoke!!
Great job. Your plasma cutter is fine, i'm thinging of it. In case you don't know : you can put a slide on the traction side of the chain but the tensionner is only on the loose side.
Very cool. Loved watching you machine those parts from stock material. 👍
Bloody awesome, you keep doing what you love to build , I really enjoy your craftsmanship 👍👍
Good job Chris, yes do doors.
Make the doors raise up to open like a Tesla but also not to complicated and part of the cage structure. Bad Ass engineering.
😊👍🏻
Hi Chris yes add doors it would look better and best way to get in and out also I hear you on building your stuff and it is fun but shaft drive build is stronger and will not have chain stretch but keep up what you do you do very well for what you have to work with very nice.
I love your creativity so keep doing what your doing.
Don't worry about the haters if they are right or not you will learn from the experience
Keep doin' what you do!
Hey Chris, G’day from Australia mate. I’ve been watching your channel for a few years now and am amazed at your work. The craftsmanship and imagination that go into your builds is top notch.
I can’t believe the trolls throwing their bull$hit at you when you are clearly very talented. Keep doing what you’re doing mate because it’s very good viewing. Anyone can buy the parts and put it together like a model plane, but not many people have the vision, patience and skills to build 99% of the parts for a build. And from what I can tell, not a plan in sight, all in your head. Great stuff mate, keep going!
Excellent ! Chris Can Build 💯☮️
Loving what you're doing man ,don't listen to people asking why you don't do it this way or that. Do it the way you please and have the most fun with. 🤟🏽
Those rear control arms are going to need an X cross brace and vertical tie bars to keep the arms from twisting.
I think you’d be better off laying the seats back more, lowering the roof bars, and building a set of high doors so there’s only say a 12”-16” gap between the roof bar and the top door bar. It’ll save your spine on jumps and it’ll help your center of gravity and also would look sweet. I definitely liked the idea of sloping the roof bar and door bars forward to give a more aggressive look. Can’t wait to see this thing getting after it when you’re done. Keep up the great work
You could run a chain drive to a drive shaft to the front end to eliminate the long chain. Like a little gear box in front of the front drive disengage thing with a sprocket on the side and shaft on the front.
Someone that loves working with their hands 👍
I agree with everything you said about using chains. At the end of the day to using chains saves a bunch of weight! I wanna see you used a Kawasaki h2 engine.
No, don’t change it ☺️👍🏽 you’re doing a good job. I love what you do. I do similar but with no equipment lol.😅👍🏽
Looking good altho I believe trophy truck run dual shock/ coil overs on all 4 corners so they can withstand the beating they get on landing