Deep Intel on the USS Gerald R Ford (CVN 78)
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- Опубликовано: 11 фев 2024
- Mooch goes aboard the U.S.S. Gerald R. Ford (CVN 78) to talk in depth with Rear Admiral Doug "V8" Verissimo, Commander U.S. Naval Air Force Atlantic, about the first full-length deployment of America's newest supercarrier.
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The Admiral is very charismatic. He comes off as a straightforward hard-charger.
Which reminds me of something I read regarding politicians throughout our history - up until most recently. Many of our most effective, respected politicians have had a military background. Some longer, some shorter, but I truly feel that having served should be a prerequisite for holding office, especially President. There's just a quality that's lacking for non-military members.
I agree.
I don’t think the good Admiral is charismatic at all. But reasonable people can disagree.
@@bad2000ta I think that skill is “reality-orientation.” One then potentially sees first hand how much intensity is reqd and see the team burn out (as they “burn the candle at both ends and in the middle”), while also EXPERIENCING the true cost of “living with your decisions.”
I want all of these folks to know how much I appreciate their "going into overtime."
Mooch says: @ 7:00 "Yes, Pers Tempo is how Airline pilots are made" Great line. V8 left it alone but this is a killer for the Sailors, doing great work while deployed is one thing but then coming home the family that sees a loved one gone for better part of a year is asking (almost) too much. Kudo's to those families who continue to support their spouse despite the arduous task to go into harms way.
Mooch pulls no punches.
There was a cut right after that line :)
As we used to say on Nimitz in the old days when we were on Pier 12 in NORVA. "BOHICA!" Welcome to the club.
Op Tempo for Squids and Airedales these days has to be gruesome and it does take a toll on families. It was high-tempo for Tin Can sailors in the 70's (height of Cold War) but nothing like today. Hats off to the men and women of today's Navy. FTM2, DDG-19, '76-'81
OPTEMPO pressures affect every service component. The Navy peaked at 594 ships in 1987; roughly half that now depending on what hulls you count. Missions didn’t go away. I’m retired Air Force; USAF is half it’s Cold War size. Our son is in the Army; they’re down by a third. Get the combat fleet to at least 355 dependable ships.
"We all want purpose. There's purpose here in the Navy."
Great video. Keep up the excellent work, Sir!
Shoot, that quote right there hit a lot better than most ads for the navy I’ve ever seen
Navy Pride!!
@@OlNoName Some advertising guy will muck it up.
@@mongoose388 *Join the Navy for a Porpoise*
Yep, can see how that could happen quite easily
"Find yourself -- and heal inter-generational trauma -- in today's Navy."
Mind blowing that youre doing a better job then CNN, BBC, MSNBC, DISCOVERY, NAT GEO, HISTORY and a pletora of other massive media outlets....
Just better in keeping us informed and even in a documentary capacity.
Thank you very much, from Serbia.
Hello, Serbia!
Well, Ward has an advantage over the aforementioned organizations. He served, unlike their correspondents and hence, he has a clue about what does what, who does what and why. All they know is what they learned in journalism school.
@spvillano Which was mostly indoctrination.
@@la_old_salt2241 proving that you've never attended any form of higher education. Instead choosing to follow your robotic indoctrination by accusing others of that which you do yourself. That's also known of as projection.
Journalism schools today share a flaw with management schools today, a lack of reinforcement of specialist knowledge in the areas in which their graduates are to operate in. We get a manager, general purpose, mk II for everything, who predictably fails due to a lack of comprehension of differences in fields and purposes for their organization's niche in the wider world. The same is true with journalists, we get the mk II journalist, expert in slinging words together, excelling in both siderism, even when one side is bullshit, making bullshit equal to fact in their coverage. That's OK, the manager mk II keeps trying to turn a profit in government and non-profit organizations, totally fucking those up. When we're fortunate, a rare gem will come along and learn the differences between theory and practice, seek out subject matter experts and actually listen to them and become highly prized, even if initially ignored by their leadership.
I've known quite a few managers, did well in business school, got hired on and advanced as managers in various businesses that all failed and it was always never their fault - one would be regaled as to the phenomenal incompetence of the entire employee base of a formerly successful business. Never to recognize that all of the failures had one person in common - him.
The same is true with reporters I've encountered, few go beyond scratching the surface of a story in the rush to publish first and frequently, facts be damned.
Then, there was a reporter. He was fresh out of journalism school and send out as a stringer by the wire services to cut his teeth. He was assigned a story in New London, Texas, an explosion and fire in a town's school. He arrived, started trying to interview people and was told, "Mister, we don't need reporters right now, we need pairs of arms and backs to unbury the kids in this school" and at the risk of losing professional detachment, took off his jacket, rolled up his sleeves and helped dig the children out. Reporting on the gas explosion that claimed the lives of more than 300 students and teachers, no family was left untouched.
It was so notable at the time and the coverage so heart rendering, even Hitler send a telegram of condolences to the town.
Walter Cronkite went on to cover WWII from the front lines and later, the Nuremberg trials and become a nation's most trusted voice, not because he got there first, but had learned to tell the actual story - not both sides always, but the realities around and within a story. We've lost that since, now with tons of instant gratification of a story that's as often bullshit as reality, bullshit reported as credibly as facts, bothsiderism equated with reality and oh look, a shiny when someone says something outrageous, rather than ignoring the attempt for free publicity.
I don't mind change, I do mind change for the sake of change and loathe changes that don't lead to improvement. My greatest successes in life revolved around embracing changes that improve. The greatest debacles I've witnessed involved resistance to beneficial changes and embracing of changes that move us backwards.
take the tinfoil off trumper @@la_old_salt2241
"Think of it as the back office of a sports team" - Great officers are great communicators. Simple statement clearly communicated a complex idea.
Mooch, thank you again for being a voice of reason on the Ford-class. As someone who put much sweat and tears (fortunately no blood) into CVN-78, it’s insulting to hear the constant fixation on her problems, but not a peep when they get better or are fixed. The fact she isn’t perfect yet is no reason to denigrate the tens of thousands of us who put in millions of hours to get her this far, and you're the only one who's bothered to acknowledge it.
One of the best things about your channel is your access to active duty and retired people who can tell us what is real. I'm sure you count your blessing every time this happens. I know I love these types of interviews.
So True Sir.
I agree. Ward not only gives a true insider view but he has the trust of those being interviewed since they do not fear “exploitation” by taking their words and then twisting them in the report to support some absurd political/media spin/narrative.
Great to hear from V8 that EMALS, AWEs, and AAGs are all performing better that expected. I especially liked that he said "we're making improvements upon improvements". USS Gerald R Ford: "Integrity at the helm"!!!
I sense some reservations regarding AAG. I wonder if we could get some deeper intel on that.
I can tell you just from my gut listening to this admiral that I feel safer just listening to his confidence and knowledge!
Definitely glad to hear that EMALS is working as always intended, it was concerning for a while there. An expensive development but my understanding is that it adds a lot of capacity to the Ford class by its reduced size.
I got a laugh, as Russian media and their bots kept going on and on about how EMALS, AWE's and AAG's were all failing and well, the entire ship was non-operational - while touring the Med and her aircraft merrily thundering overhead.
I guess Scotty beamed those aircraft into the air or something.
The naysayers obviously know nothing about technology, as linear induction motors aren't new. Hell, I remember them used in high end consumer electronics (specifically, a top of the line Sony CD player) back in the early '90's. Scaling them up to toss aircraft into the air and literally getting the switching timing and strength down pat takes time and in situ calibration that'll shorten subsequent installations and calibrations immensely.
After all, the first steam cats weren't exactly spectacular in performance initially, despite a century of working with steam powered devices.
And I'll continue to bite my tongue over one POTUS who wanted the vessel converted to steam...
I would pay real money to look at their switching gear for the EMALS and AAG's though, as an old electronics tech type! The amount of energy that the snubbers alone toss around is immense!
@@psychohist a lot of that would remain sensitive, as it'd impact operations. I suspect that'll largely revolve around some turbulence issues causing delays in energy transfer and shunting, so to a fair extent, it'll be software resolved and some hardware tuning.
Besides electronics, I also worked on hydro-pneumatic systems.
A lot of the issues is, fairly old tech being implemented for novel uses in novel ways, so there are going to be some growing pains.
Perfect example of how great an interview is, when the interviewer has the same knowledge and vocabulary as the interviewed. People giving an interview are nervous/guarded when they have no idea what's going to be asked, or by whom. The admiral had no trace of nerves/hesitation because, he knows who you are. That you've worn the same shoes, talk the same talk, and have the same respect for the organization. The admiral was as polished as a PR officer. This was just a free-flowing conversation between brothers. Thanks for the great interview Mooch. Respect... from a brother wearing different shoes. Thanks
Amen, Brothers. Ward, words fail me in praises and appreciation. 😊 Thank yous from top to keel.
Mooch, seeing you on the bridge of Ford makes me wish I could go back and do that job all over again. Funny how as we age and mature, our desire to go back and do the job for the sake of the job, becomes somewhat more important than the desire for extended leave and romantic pursuits. Back when I was a young sailor on CV-63, I knew that what we did in work ups and on deployment was important, but other youthful dreams and fascinations always seemed to overshadow the importance of the job at hand. As the old saying goes: "Youth is wasted on the young." BZ to Adm. Verissimo, CVN-78 and her crew for a job well done, going above and beyond the call on her recent extended, extended, extended deployment.
Well put. Wish I knew then what I know now
Were you aboard CV -63 in 71-73? my Brother was on her for two operations and the riots.
CVN-68 and CVN-71 from '86-'89 here...copy much of that.
Thank you, Admiral, for the access and time.
I am proud to have been a member of the team that manufactured,assembled, tested the main propulsion turbines for CVN 78 Gerald R Ford. We also did the same for CVN 77 and 79.
It's quite a skill to manage to say something substantial, while working within great constraints regarding what can be discussed. This was a great interview.
As always we love the fact Mooch can always get us to the people in the know so we get the best info Available , thanks again look forward to more Mooch on the move episodes, after you visit the carriers maybe you can get us on one of those cool DDG'S
Great idea.
+1
As a former DDG-19 Sailor I approve this message.
More straight from the horses mouth type info that we're accustomed to here on this channel. Thanks, Mooch!
As the parent of a deployed naval member. Your page keeps me sane with all the information you provide. Thank you.
fantastic! It feels like an honor sitting in on this conversation. Thank you, sir.
Better and more accurate information than any media outlet is giving. Thank you for your continuing service!
Ward so awesome! I still remember when my Dad who was in DISCOM got a private tour arranged and carried me/my wheelchair onboard the JFK in the early 80's. We went up to the bridge, the fan tail and one of the messes.
Sounds like an awesome Dad.
Former Army here, pleasure watching your content and seeing Navy things 😊.
I enjoy listening to these discussions. It helps me get a better feel for how our service people do their great work for our country.
Too all the Navy families, spouses, friends and co-workers that are missing the person that is serving in extended deployments you are the foundation of our great Navy. You keep the home fires burning while the loved one keeps our nation and her interests protected. Time away from family is painful. That is really a huge sacrifice that our Navy members and families make. Your nation is grateful to the person serving in the greatest Navy sailing the seas of this planet and is grateful to you, the families who make the sacrifice of giving your loved one to our Navy in harms way and at times extended deployments. Thank you isn’t enough to sum up how grateful I am to you.
Amen and well said!
It's often said the hardest job in the Navy is that of "Navy Spouse / family"
AMEN SIR!!
I don't know how my Mother did it with 5 kids, and so much separation.
@@scottcooper4391
Extended deployments are the leading cause of retention problems. I've been hearing rumbling of under-staffing on the Atlantic coast from NCO's re: sea-going enlisted. Other branches are having problems like the regular Army, prospects are leery of the current admin getting involved in some worthless quicksand.
The Army Natl Guard got severely abused during the "war on terror" with chronic call-ups for more bodies. Five deployments was common, most I heard was 7. Some NG lost their jobs despite what Federal law seems to protect them from.
Extremely hostile attitudes from former NG has permeated deeply through the society. So that causes kids to have second thoughts when every week or two brings another troublesome hotspot to attention. The horrible debacle in Afghanistan has not been forgotten either.
Going into Afghanistan or pulling out ?
If out, you must mean how the entire Afghan "army" just dropped their weapons and abandoned their duties after 20 years of US training and how much funding ?
If going in, why were we there in the first place .... was it due to the 15 SAUDI ARABIAN 9/11 hijackers ?
@@LuvBorderCollies
Hi Ward,
I am so appreciative of your channel. As a civilian who lacks connections to the military; it would be easy for me to be oblivious to the tremendous work and sacrifice of our sailors. Thank you, and many thanks to our service members!
Great, as usual, interview, Mooch!
Thanks, Dave!
Complete and total admiration for this ship and the sailors who make this ship FANTASTIC!!!
As a former enlisted guy/NCO it’s awesome seeing an interview like this! Thank you!!
Served with RADM Verissimo (call sign V8) onboard CVN-74 when he was an Air Dept/V-2 shooter in 1999. I was the V-2 Catapult & Arresting Gear Maintenance Officer. Outstanding leader, and naval officer. A lot of fun to work with as well.
That’s a wild career turn from solo lead in the blue angles to a deck guy.
I like the last statements of the admiral. " We all like purpose. There's purpose in the Navy."
This interview is a direct download of RA Verissimo's brain and thought process. I had no idea the complexity that these commanders manage. It is reassuring that he, and his command, have crew considerations as a high priority in their thought process and communications up and down the command structure. We are well served by RA Verissimo and his crew of the Ford.
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I had the honor of depolying on three carriers during my time in Air Force SOF: Nimitz, Saratoga and Enterprise. Carriers are facinating platforms and worth every penny. Adm V8 is impressive, as most senior flags are. Another home run video. Thanks.
Thanks Mooch. Great job on explaining how our carrier Navy works.
Seeing the competency of admirals like this gives me a lot of confidence in the navy
Glad/Blessed to have these guys on my team....God Bless America....and you go guys and good job Ward with your connections on the inside/Real News.
Loved; "We all want purpose. There's purpose here in the Navy." That should be our recruting slogan.
Just a outstanding interview. Just the sheer amount of information is outstanding. My son a E - 8 will be be assigned to the Harvey C. Barnum in Maine this coming May. Currently home port is Norfolk. Proud Navy Dad .
Just the thought that a grouchy old Sr. Chief has a proud dad at home is adorable. 😀🥰
Just FYI, I work at BIW and have done much work on the electrical design of that ship. I think she's in sea trials now or will be shortly. What is your son's rate, I know he's a Senior Chief (E-8) but what was his field, was he an ET, or EM or a GMG or GMM etc...etc...
@@chocolatefrenzieya Thank you so much.
That's outstanding.
@@jamesbrown5600 GMM.
Best channel on the Tube Mooch! Keep up the great work.
Wow, thanks!
From an Army guy - thanks for the interview. It helps to understand our sister services missions and their effects on personal that could possibly effect our mission and optempo.
Something I've learned from watching Mooch's channel is how the United States appears to be in really good hands at an operational level, when it comes to the US Navy. We have some incredibly talented and committed people serving the country.
Excellent interview. The Admiral explains the mission and situation of the Atlantic Fleet in a succinct and precise way.
So happy and proud that we have such smart and competent people serving in our armed services, the Admiral is so impressive as are all of the people within his command chain.
This is what gives our military such a great advantage is the amount of freedom we give commanders on the ground. The military will always be a great option for anyone wanting a rewarding career.
Always look forward to a new video from Mooch and happy to hear that everything went as expected on CVN 78. It is definitely one way to stress test the new technology to make sure it works as expected.
CSGS are awesome, especially the dual and important roles the Destroyers and Cruisers play, not to mention the random subs with them, which I'd imagine would be in such a dangerous task they were just on.
Big shout out and love to our armed forces!
Outstanding interview…Proud of our US Navy.🇺🇸
I did one deployment (Westpac) during my 4 years in the Marine Corps airwing. I loved it.
Watching this makes long for those days. I hope, I really do that the young men, and now women, who do serve on these magnificent ships, and their country, appreciate the extremely special privilege it is to do so. Like me, it may be a once in a life time opportunity.
I would trade my now very comfortable lifestyle to do one more cruise, if it were possible.
Love that your content is both detailed and brief - keep 'em coming Mooch! Thanks!
Ward is really adept at asking good questions. It what separates him from the rest.
Very engaging with the admiral onboard Ford no less. Excited to see you on the bridge for the interview, Mooch. Appreciated the hard work and sacrifice of those sailors returning from the Med.
Mooch brings such a library of all-things Naval Air to the interview, it gives V-8 room to really throttle up the responses... Instead of having to dumb it down for the local news channel.
Fly Navy!!!
Best and most inspirational thing the Admiral could say "We all need purpose. There is purpose in the Navy". Honored.
When it comes to Naval Air Ops there is no better channel. Well done.
Agree, with that. As an enlisted guy, I enjoyed doing the real stuff on a gator and never minded the time out at sea. The dry dock time and the operations got very old very fast. Thanks for making the video sir.
This guy has so much going on, he’s earning every cent of his pay check. I hope he has a huge staff to support him.
Ward is another example of the versatility that a Naval Academy education and culture instills in the few who are chosen and maximize their opportunities. Admiral Verlissimo is several standard deviations from off the charts. I have known a few USNA grads, and none has "average" as a descriptor.
You get the best of the best on this show
Many thanks for a great interview! Saw your vehicle parked at the pier on Friday and had been checking daily on your site for anything new. As a carrier builder (CVN-70-77) and now maintenance provider at NOB for some of those same ships, I have a great love for CVN's. It is always uplifting and encouraging to hear news and information such as that provided by V8. I am going to make it a point to show this video to my crew this week. Our military men and women are our country's true heroes. Thank you sir!
Thanks, Cynthia. Sorry we missed you.
wow that view is amazing , i remember seeing U.S.S. Independence in Sydney in 1992 and the height of the flight deck ( filled with jets ) above the waterline was incredible , i thank goodness we are besties lol G'Day from Australia and keep up this wonderful content.
That is how an interview is conducted. Excellent preparation and follow through!
Thanks Ward! I can't wait to see a 'Ford Class' in person on the West Coast!
Solid interview! Keep 'em coming. Your access and trust by Navy Flags is really valuable for helping tell the story of Naval Aviation and Navy in general.
My grandson’s ship; love her!
Loved the interview and the time Rear Admiral Verissimo took to field and answer your questions Ward. As always, you seem to be able to not only gain access to people in strategic places, but to ask the most pertinent questions to get the most out the opportunity. Thanks for bringing us the intel on this important and time-relevant topic.
The skill with which Mooch handles the spoken word both technically and operationally reveals and reflects the seriousness of commitment to his post Navy F14 career, and his new one in media. We are so fortunate to have a self-made professional grade person who has taken over the role of the formerly great Fourth Estate. I can't pour out enough praise and gratitude.😊❤
Thanks Mr. Carroll. Wish that I was young enough to be part of that again. BZ to all the young Sailors that have stepped up to serve.♠️🇺🇲
Great job sir. Thank you so much Mooch for keeping us all informed with your reports. So proud of our tremendous service members. God bless you all for keeping us safe.
This was an amazing interview, as much as you can know. More upgrades to come. It’s been battle tested, and proven. Now it’s going to implement more that works.
Awesome interview, sir. I certainly hope all the branches can find ways to get back to meeting enlistment goals. Serving one’s country is extremely honorable. Not only are you serving your country, but you are protecting your family back home and democracies abroad, which again helps our nation tremendously. More young people need to understand the tremendous value of service above self.
Maybe they could start by actually taking good care of the people already serving.
Unfortunately, the service doesn't treat the enlisted like they care about them. Remodeling moldy and run down barracks, stopping bunking 2-4 people in small ass rooms with no privacy, and bumping enlisted pay. You can get all the benefits the military offers plus better pay in a job at places like Starbucks and other retailers. These will be a good start in attracting recruits, but more needs to be done.
@@Recklessness97 Thank you for your reply. I won't argue with that. I do believe that any poor conditions absolutely need to be improved to the best point feasible. I have heard of the stories of veterans afflicted with ailments from things like burn pits and such. As far as the barracks, I had not heard, though I suppose not entirely taken aback sadly, about the mold. The DoD, with its extremely large budget, should remedy any and all life quality and safety issues as immediately as possible. Therefore, there are zero qualms about that for either you or andrew2990's comment.
My comment is more that I do believe there is a substantial portion of the civilian populace that does not fully appreciate service. Certainly though, problems do need to be rectified in how the DoD treats everyone serving either currently or formerly. Thanks for your contribution.
interviewed the Admiral on the bridge ! pretty good score
Incredible insight into not only the ship but the people that keep it operational. Thank you to Rear Admiral Verissimo for his service and leadership.
My dad was WW2 22yr Navy , he would love your channel . I sure do , was born their at Naval Station Norfolk . Thanks for all your effort you put into each video .
Thanks MOOCH. Still looking for some system's analysis though. Please provide that IF ABLE . . . WHEN ABLE!
Thank you for this episode. It's good to hear that people still honor the oath they swore. Cheers
I've said it before. Thank you for setting things out in layman's terms for those of us who haven't been in the service, but what want to be informed and supportive.
Another Great Video!! Thanks Mooch, and very much appreciate V8 and all his crew!!❤️👍
My intention when joining the Navy in 1969 was a career. Many good things many bad. 2.5 yrs from E1 to E5. My evals were 4.0, but I had to deal with good and bad leaders, many were alcoholics. I knew if I ever wanted a family it would be rough.
I liked the work, the people I worked with, the travel and food. I had good friends and have good memories. No officer and only one CPO even mentioned reenlistment and the CPO just chuckled and told me I'd be back in 6 months. I wasn't
@bronson7130
"I had to deal with good and bad leaders" I could tell you tales! " I knew if I ever wanted a family it would be rough." Raising a family n the military, that's not easy.
OTOH just getting out of HS, a kid could do worse than do a tour.
Ward, excellent video. Please do more on-ship interviews, and maybe even some walks around the ship(s)! Thank you.
What a great interview Mooch! Interviews aboard ship and in the yard really bring home what it's all about. It's confidence inspiring to see the intensity and confidence about task and purpose that Admiral Verissimo exudes. It would be great to see an interview with a destroyer skipper given the workload those crews are shouldering given the number of threats they're facing. Keep up the great work!
Great interview. I am a proud Navy Vet from the 80's. It is sad.recruiting is such a struggle. I was in delayed entry for 11 months recruitment was so well. The Navy is.far.far different than it once was. :(
Thank you, Ward, nice job deciphering the Admiral's jargon for us landlubbers.
BTW Gerald Ford served on aircraft carrier Monterrey during WWII. When Typhoon Cobra hit there was a fire in the hangar deck. Lt. Ford went to asses the situation and was nearly swept overboard by the wind, but he carried out his assignment.
Thank you to your service sir!
Thanks Mooch! Great snapshot of our naval status.
I love this interview!
That's an amazing view!
I have great confidence in our military and appreciate their work greatly. Thank you for these interviews that illustrate so well their professionalism.
As always a great to the point informative session. Because of your service experience, you’re able to illicit the nuts and bolts info of how the facts pieces fit into the big overall picture. No one does it better. USAF vet.
That pier shot brought back memories. December 1983...
Omg ward with the access 😁👏
Outstanding camera work!!!
This so creates a very productive, positive view by the world of the good work being done. We are and should be eternally grateful .
Great leader, great ship, great crew. It's a huge relief. We need this ship & class to be at its best over the next decade or so.
Former crayon-eater here. Always appreciate the deep dive (or at least as close as OPSEC will allow) that we get from Mooch. The nuance and everything left unsaid speaks volumes to those of us with experience. Thanks for the vids.
Mooch, keep doing a wonderful job in keeping an honest dialog thank you 👍
Thanks for the Look and to hear the Info
For me as a Canadian who is very pro-military ( dad in WWII and Korea ) , I love this interviews . So much to learn , understand, and marvel at . Fantastic job Ward and Carol for this interview of RA Douglas Verissimo - he is sure well spoken and sounds like an easy leader to follow .
Mooch, Always an important listen. Your direct and substantive questions are a standout. Thx!
Mooch is always mindful of keeping his questions inside the boundaries that his guests and sources have to operate and, in so doing keeps the dialog and prose flowing smoothly without adjustment pauses that break the dialog. Ward has crafted in his questions and the sequencing the whole of what we hear, with great clarity. This probably can't be taught as a single class. Or even multiple classes. We here are blessed. No notes, not an um or uh. The only similar experience is on Uncommon Knowledge with Peter Robinson at Stanford's Hoover Institution, which is separate and distinct from the fallen Stanford University.
Outstanding presentation...makes you proud!
Thanks for this update, Ward
The Stennis (CVN-74) was the ship I served on for 4 years back in '01 to '04. Love it! I sort of miss Norfolk.
Well done with this video!!
Thanks for your service!
I do not miss the gate traffic, not at all
I'll give you that because although I didn't experience that in Norfolk, I did hit traffic every morning in San Diego; something comparable. Now that is a beast in itself, yikes!@@harrylumsdon6773
Thanks for another fantastic report!