Gay ex-Jehovah’s Witness here. I think I deserve some kind of financial compensation for that shit. Maybe I need to leave a voicemail about my experience. But I’m glad I joined the ranks of legendary ex-JWs: Michael Jackson, Selena Quintanilla (bidibidibidibidibidi) and, last but not least, Sasha MOTHERfucking Colby.
My brain went immediately to TS Madison "Oh Selena wasn't Puerta Riccan? She's Mexican?" For real, though, I'm glad you made it out. Even growing up strictly Christian, I'm shocked and appalled at everything I learn about JW. You're strong as hell
@@EmmaFlorez HAHAHA, glad you caught the reference. Love my Tex-Mex Reina. Growing up in a Mexican-American family hasn’t made undoing an JW indoctrination any easier. More layers than a 90s blowout!!!
I'm going to sit back and listen with coffee and a cookie, for Twinnuendo. As a child raised in a Christian Reformed church. A kind of Amish, but stripped of all cheerfulness or happiness. Born in sin and dying with much remorse. In between, life is also just worrying, fear and hard work in the face of God until you drop, it's just wonderful to hear you about upbringing and consequences in/of faith and other matters. Just keep chatting, there's an old gay in Amsterdam, he recognizes and knows what it's like to be Christianly terrorized in his younger years. I really can't be the only one.
I totally respect that grants not ready to publicly talk about his whole story but appreciate y’all acknowledging it bc I’ve been wondering if I missed something lol
Grant: That Jimmy Carter facial expressions bit sent me 😂 Darbo: Adderall also makes me sleepy! I looked it up once, because coffee also makes me fall asleep. When you have ADHD, stimulants calm an overactive brain. Because of that, it tunes out the world enough to relax your body, and then you get sleepy. Signed, Not a Doctor 🤓
Grant! You survived Milton, friend! Glad to see lol. So I watched your interview with Gay Pastor Grant- dude- I was REALLY into it!! You’re a naturally great interviewer, and GG (gay Grant) was so sweet and thoughtful and articulate in his answers, it really was excellent. On the shunning shit- what a great way to show their true colors. An organization that literally doesn’t practice what it preaches. But in spite of the fact that these people are such mean spirited fools, you still have to grieve the loss of this community and career you were deeply immersed in for the past 20 years as a pastor and spent 39 years practicing. There are so many complex, conflicting emotions all knotted together and it’s going to take time to unravel and make peace with all of it- the good, the bad, the ugly. Give yourself grace and patience- you deserve it, sir. And Drew, I LOVE that jacket!!!😍
Listening to you guys is always something that gives me, not only hope but as well a way to see and find confort that i'm not alone on my religious trauma. I was...well technically I still am...but I left all my "dutties and responsabilities" behind to be and live my truest self! Being someone who got S.A'ed multiple times during my time on the religion, and I wanted to speak about it, and I got persuaded into not to go to the police and nor tell other people about the elders that did that to me, I was traumatized. I was 13 years old...and I HAD to be a perfect son! If not I was not loving god enough. I was able to get out at 17, and it wasn't easy...all my view of the world changed...I had to learn how to be a functional human. Because we are thought that our "brothers and sisters" and members of the congregation were ALL trust worthy and loving is the ultimate way to show how close to God we are. So if someone outside that enviorment showed me a type of emotional response that I wasn't familiar I had to learn it, study the pattern and learn how to be functional again. I'm 32 now, and everytime I still hear God's name I get a shiver down my spine! But seeing Drew and Grant talk about it in so much detailed...it made me enjoy your guy's company even more!!! I would love to leave a voicemail but unfortunatly I live outside the US, and it costs an arm and a leg to call abroad. So if you guys had any way for us that live in Europe or other parts of the world to get in touch with you it would amazing. Lot's of Love from Portugal :)
Hey great episode! On the adderall thing- it's pretty common for people with ADHD to get tired or fall asleep with stimulants like meds or coffee, because it slows down the racing thoughts. How sensitive people are varies, but some people have to be careful taking adderall if they're already pretty tired.
First time listening (from the usual Drag Reviews) didn’t think I come across such interesting and delightful Dialogue re: cult indoctrinations and shunnings, shit churches- as a former JW (cult-control-city) and now fully-realised gay, it’s nice to hear similar journeys! Thanks!
I delight in anytime Ray Boltz is mentioned. Loved his music videos and songs growing up. If y'all interviewed him, I'd probably expire, be reborn, and expire again.
Drew and Grant, this podcast is amazing and I've been sharing with friends far and wide. We have Christian Nationalists in our family and all of this content is so helpful in understanding what the heck happened to them in the 90s and 2000s. They didn't used to be so insane. This kind of information is vitally important to share with the world. Thank you!
I would love to call in and talk about Mormon seminary. High school students going to church at 0500 every day before school for all four years of high school for "seminary". Basically just extra long lessons and sermons where we had to memorize scripture and do projects. It was WILD. In some places, such as Brazil, you have to have a "formal education" in order to get permission to be a missionary, and they use Seminary as the "education". So when you're an 18 year old kid, you hope you get an exciting place to travel on your mission. If you didn't do seminary, you don't get to go to exotic Brazil
I wondered why Drew left Chicago, I had no idea he feels that he was forced out. What a dreadful experience to go through. I hope Drew has found a better place to call home. Thanks twins for another absorbing episode, I love this podcast so much.
I've been hiding who I am for 30ish years. I agree that when someone is hidden in that way you separate yourself. It makes it really hard to know who you are truly. Thank you for talking about that.
41:55 I'm so glad I'm not the only dummy who thought Bar Redacted was the actual name of the bar, LoL, English is my second language. Took me a while to realize, haha.
Oh. I've wondered why I didn't know exactly what happened between Grant and the cHuRcH, but I thought I'd missed something. If Grant is still not ready to talk about it, it's completely fine. Love and support from Brazil 🇧🇷❣️
I still will never forget the embarrassment of being in elemantary school as a JW and having to tell the teacher that I would have to leave if they were singing Christmas songs, handing out Valentine's Day candy, etc. Even in high school, I was supposed to play in the pit for a Christmas show and my parents called the director to pull me out and the director was so pissed at me for bailing last minute. I would never wish that upon anyone yeesh.
It Truly warms the Cockles of My Heart that no matter how much Alexis begs Drew for the Sweet Release of a Quick Death, Drew Loves Her too much to follow through with It! No easy outs Alexis. The "P" Stands for Premeditated.
Honestly, out of respect for Grant and his very real healing journey, I don’t think I need to know exactly what happened. He can share his experiences and work through his trauma the way he sees fit. I also hear Darbys concern. The evangelical Christian church is a beast and they have no love for anyone who is not like them. I would be furious as an ally to queer people, and an ally to Christianity survivors, if y’all lost a single penny to the church! We love y’all and want the best for you both and this pod!
Hey if you guys ever want to talk to someone who was raised as a Jehovah's Witness for 18 years and is a raging homosexual today with family still heavily involved with the religion then I am your man and happy to do it haha. Absolutely love this podcast!
53:10 Girl, it's rough. Even as someone who knew & accepted being gay from a young age and only hid those parts of myself out of necessity/self-preservation until I was 19, at 34 I still regularly struggle with self-actualization. I fully dissociated my entire way through college because I didn't know how to be a whole person, because I had no practice being one.
"Had no practice being one" hits me so hard! I'm currently deep in therapy trying to work through all the ways that staying closeted until 19 or 20 has kept me becoming a fully formed person. I'm trying to figure out all the ways that hiding myself has changed me and your comment hits me like a brick
Michael English was a BIG name in our house. When he was younger, his family was the singing samaritans, he was about my mom’s age. The family were good friends with my grandparents and would come over for dinner when they were passing through town. Of course before I was born, but I heard the stories often. And when all the affair stuff came out, my family would not hear of it.
I think you are both right; the village is *not* fine, but I think more rest and more naps and less crankiness would be a good step toward helping it. Up with sloth! More sloth! We need to relax. and relax HARD!
Christianity will make you the kindest, most self-sacrificing person and still have you somehow believe you're evil. The dissociation is so real, and it's like you can't access your goodness and strength half the time, so it's so easy to believe you have to change part of yourself to be good enough. Drew's new pod should be called Talk to Baby
This episode reminded me of some of my all time favorite (though sadly now defunct podcasts) that if you're into this type of stuff you'll probably enjoy. How To Heretic is by 3 former mormons (one of whomst is gay, for the bonus crossover appeal) who started it with the intention of being three "audio uncles" to recent ex-mormons and helping them navigate life after being shunned by their communities and over time evolved into kind of a study of the kookier aspects of various religions. The other one is Oh No Ross and Carrie where the two hosts are atheists, and go around joining fringe groups, religions, and trying various pseudoscientific modalities. They became scientologists, went to flat earth and UFO conferences, they would go to psychics every new years for predictions for what would happen to them that year, and then do an end of year recap to see how accurate they were, it was great. Unfortunately both of these shows are dead, but the content is fairly evergreen and you can still find both of them, totally worth a listen
What exactly was Grant's crime against religion? I'm not sure if we covered this in episode 1. Edit: Sorry, hadn't watched 'til 29:05 ...😙 Disregard! Whenever you're ready Grant!
Question for both of you! How do you guys feel about Christmas? Does Christmas have a different meaning to Grant now that he's not religious anymore? I'm not religious but Christmas is something I struggle a lot with because it's not.. really anything to do with christianity when you look into it, but the only thing left is capitalism trying to make you spend $$$ lol. I want to enjoy it I'm just not sure how.
I really find all of this fascinating. My story is very different. I was part of a church (Methodist) but I never believed any of it. In fact, when they wanted to confirm me at age 11, I told the minister guy that I don’t believe any of it. I said the Bible doesn’t make sense and the same people saying Santa isn’t real or the tooth fairy isn’t real think this magical person made this world or that the whole world flooded? His only response was that I just had to believe and being confirmed is really just for my parents. I told my folks that and said I wasn’t going to church again and they never made me (although they were a little disappointed).
Watching this episode reminded me of the time I went on a date with a woman who told me that she and her family were former Jehovah's Witnesses but were kicked out of the church because her dad had gotten in trouble with the law and gone to prison. She didn't tell me what he'd done but kept saying it'd been a big misunderstanding and people had overreacted and that she still had a very good relationship with her dad. After I went home, I found her dad's name on her Instagram, did a Google search, and learned that he'd been arrested after he was caught trying to meet up with a ~young girl~ he'd met online and was a registered sex offender. There was not a second date. 💀
Hi! Longtime listener, first time caller. This ep made me curious - have y’all consumed any of the many recent shows that touch on themes of questioning and breaking away from one’s faith? For me Under the Banner of Heaven (‘22) and Under the Bridge (‘24) come to mind, for example. If so, thoughts?
when I was in elementary school, we had reading buddies where someone in an older grade would be paired up with a younger student and would help them read and use the computer. My younger reading buddy was a Jehova's Witness and so when we were doing a holiday-themed activity on kidpix, she told me she doesnt celebrate christmas. I thought, "oh! she must be Jewish or celebrate Kwanzaa" but nope, neither of those. She then said her family doesn't celebrate holidays or her birthday. Me being 11 or 12 didn't really understand and so we just did generic shit on kidpix. I was raised atheist, but went to the Jewish community centre for after school care so I had some knowledge of different religions/how they celebrate around December but I was still so baffled that they had NO celebrations... at all. So sad for a kid to miss out, even if its just for a stupid class activity.
taking adderall and then napping is a real bad habit of mine...i call it "productive sleeping" ... i actually think it's because (at least for me) adderall is less effective when i get less sleep, so if im tired enough to nap then my afternoon adderall is probably not gonna help much
Hi Grant, big fan here. Could you please lower the volume of the intro/outro song? It's making me deaf and then you'll have to take care of me, and you don't want that (unless 👀). So yeah. Thank you
Grant with all due love and respect. We all wanna know the story because gay people are messy and love gossip and drama. 😌 But seriously, you don't have to tell it unless you want to and are ready to share 🙂
Drew you always had empathy and you were never a monster .You weren't married you did not promise nothing to nobody. Those married men and pastors basically just used you...young hot Twink :) They were monsters because they promised loyalty to their wives .Your own big empathy made you feel as criminal .guilt and shame you felt more as them its twisted ...you were scared to have relationship because you weren't allowed to grow up as proud gay man by your community and probably your family. But look at you now u slay Queen :) you are loveable person .xxx
I grew up as a muslim in a majority muslim country. Being gay and knowing that others would not accept me for who I am is fucking suck. Always got told that I'm gonna go to hell not because of what I did but just because I am gay just make me view this religion and community from a really different perspective. How that you always say that you are a religion of peace but also at the same time being the loudest one when it comes to being discriminative towards queer people. fucking baffling. p.s. English is not my first or second languages, I'm not gonna apologize for whatever mistakes I made
There's a youtube channel called From Cults to Consciousness I think you both would be interested in. They interview a ton of people who have left cults/high control religions.
I absolutely relate soo hard to the denial of your sexuality part. Logic had so little to do with it. For me it's not because of religion but because I grew up in China.
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Drew. Grant. Y'all both deserved so much grace. Glad to be part yalls Tuesday congregation. 💕
Grant seems like he gives good hugs, and now I want a hug.
I’m all 90 degree angles. I’m like hugging a Flat Stanley. So you’d have to sign a waiver first.
I really need a conversation between grant and alexis
@DianaStevens42you get me.
@DianaStevens42 Ooooooh, awkward flirting? Sign me up !
i would love to see it
Church Redacted
Bar Redacted
Y'all really are twins
I need IMHO to host a club night called Bar Redacted
@@EmmaFlorez I need them to open up a bar/ night club called Bar Redacted.
Gay ex-Jehovah’s Witness here. I think I deserve some kind of financial compensation for that shit. Maybe I need to leave a voicemail about my experience. But I’m glad I joined the ranks of legendary ex-JWs: Michael Jackson, Selena Quintanilla (bidibidibidibidibidi) and, last but not least, Sasha MOTHERfucking Colby.
Yes! Please call in!
My brain went immediately to TS Madison "Oh Selena wasn't Puerta Riccan? She's Mexican?"
For real, though, I'm glad you made it out. Even growing up strictly Christian, I'm shocked and appalled at everything I learn about JW. You're strong as hell
@@EmmaFlorez HAHAHA, glad you caught the reference. Love my Tex-Mex Reina. Growing up in a Mexican-American family hasn’t made undoing an JW indoctrination any easier. More layers than a 90s blowout!!!
I'm going to sit back and listen with coffee and a cookie, for Twinnuendo.
As a child raised in a Christian Reformed church. A kind of Amish, but stripped of all cheerfulness or happiness. Born in sin and dying with much remorse. In between, life is also just worrying, fear and hard work in the face of God until you drop, it's just wonderful to hear you about upbringing and consequences in/of faith and other matters.
Just keep chatting, there's an old gay in Amsterdam, he recognizes and knows what it's like to be Christianly terrorized in his younger years. I really can't be the only one.
Truly cannot overstate how amazing this podcast is, banger after banger
Thanks, real person! You definitely aren’t a profile Drew created to boost his ego. Thanks for watching! ❤
I totally respect that grants not ready to publicly talk about his whole story but appreciate y’all acknowledging it bc I’ve been wondering if I missed something lol
Grant: That Jimmy Carter facial expressions bit sent me 😂
Darbo: Adderall also makes me sleepy! I looked it up once, because coffee also makes me fall asleep. When you have ADHD, stimulants calm an overactive brain. Because of that, it tunes out the world enough to relax your body, and then you get sleepy.
Signed,
Not a Doctor 🤓
It’s one of the last things to go…
Grant! You survived Milton, friend! Glad to see lol. So I watched your interview with Gay Pastor Grant- dude- I was REALLY into it!! You’re a naturally great interviewer, and GG (gay Grant) was so sweet and thoughtful and articulate in his answers, it really was excellent. On the shunning shit- what a great way to show their true colors. An organization that literally doesn’t practice what it preaches. But in spite of the fact that these people are such mean spirited fools, you still have to grieve the loss of this community and career you were deeply immersed in for the past 20 years as a pastor and spent 39 years practicing. There are so many complex, conflicting emotions all knotted together and it’s going to take time to unravel and make peace with all of it- the good, the bad, the ugly. Give yourself grace and patience- you deserve it, sir. And Drew, I LOVE that jacket!!!😍
this podcast is really good for my religious trauma
Grant, take all the time you need. Your impact is already huge without any specific details. ❤
Drew being earnest while wearing a "Can I be mean for a second" cap, tis peak podcast ❤
Listening to you guys is always something that gives me, not only hope but as well a way to see and find confort that i'm not alone on my religious trauma. I was...well technically I still am...but I left all my "dutties and responsabilities" behind to be and live my truest self!
Being someone who got S.A'ed multiple times during my time on the religion, and I wanted to speak about it, and I got persuaded into not to go to the police and nor tell other people about the elders that did that to me, I was traumatized. I was 13 years old...and I HAD to be a perfect son! If not I was not loving god enough. I was able to get out at 17, and it wasn't easy...all my view of the world changed...I had to learn how to be a functional human. Because we are thought that our "brothers and sisters" and members of the congregation were ALL trust worthy and loving is the ultimate way to show how close to God we are. So if someone outside that enviorment showed me a type of emotional response that I wasn't familiar I had to learn it, study the pattern and learn how to be functional again. I'm 32 now, and everytime I still hear God's name I get a shiver down my spine!
But seeing Drew and Grant talk about it in so much detailed...it made me enjoy your guy's company even more!!! I would love to leave a voicemail but unfortunatly I live outside the US, and it costs an arm and a leg to call abroad. So if you guys had any way for us that live in Europe or other parts of the world to get in touch with you it would amazing.
Lot's of Love from Portugal :)
Hey great episode! On the adderall thing- it's pretty common for people with ADHD to get tired or fall asleep with stimulants like meds or coffee, because it slows down the racing thoughts. How sensitive people are varies, but some people have to be careful taking adderall if they're already pretty tired.
Exactly! The same way ADHD meds would make a neurological brain hyperactive, but slows down the ADHD brain. It's all about frontal lobe regulation
First time listening (from the usual Drag Reviews) didn’t think I come across such interesting and delightful
Dialogue re: cult indoctrinations and shunnings, shit churches- as a former JW (cult-control-city) and now fully-realised gay, it’s nice to hear similar journeys! Thanks!
Okay, we need Church Redacted, Bar Redacted Merch! Twining sets.
Brilliant idea.
Clocked in and ready😊
This podcast is my sweet release 🥰
I delight in anytime Ray Boltz is mentioned. Loved his music videos and songs growing up. If y'all interviewed him, I'd probably expire, be reborn, and expire again.
Drew and Grant, this podcast is amazing and I've been sharing with friends far and wide. We have Christian Nationalists in our family and all of this content is so helpful in understanding what the heck happened to them in the 90s and 2000s. They didn't used to be so insane. This kind of information is vitally important to share with the world. Thank you!
I would love to call in and talk about Mormon seminary. High school students going to church at 0500 every day before school for all four years of high school for "seminary". Basically just extra long lessons and sermons where we had to memorize scripture and do projects.
It was WILD. In some places, such as Brazil, you have to have a "formal education" in order to get permission to be a missionary, and they use Seminary as the "education". So when you're an 18 year old kid, you hope you get an exciting place to travel on your mission. If you didn't do seminary, you don't get to go to exotic Brazil
I wondered why Drew left Chicago, I had no idea he feels that he was forced out. What a dreadful experience to go through. I hope Drew has found a better place to call home.
Thanks twins for another absorbing episode, I love this podcast so much.
It's like watching the witch sisters coming together in Charmed's pilot
This episode made me cry. Thank you so much for this podcast it's been life-changing. Thank you Thank you Thank you
I've been hiding who I am for 30ish years. I agree that when someone is hidden in that way you separate yourself. It makes it really hard to know who you are truly. Thank you for talking about that.
Great morning, Twinnuendo followed by new Dragula!
Has the new series started???? How did I miss that? I'm so out of the loop.
@@hayley8509 3 episodes into a spectacular season so far, enjoy!
beyond obsessed with the first voicemail btw
41:55 I'm so glad I'm not the only dummy who thought Bar Redacted was the actual name of the bar, LoL, English is my second language. Took me a while to realize, haha.
I really love ya'll so much! Thank you so much for being so open and honest with us for this show. It is very healing. ♥
Oh. I've wondered why I didn't know exactly what happened between Grant and the cHuRcH, but I thought I'd missed something. If Grant is still not ready to talk about it, it's completely fine. Love and support from Brazil 🇧🇷❣️
I still will never forget the embarrassment of being in elemantary school as a JW and having to tell the teacher that I would have to leave if they were singing Christmas songs, handing out Valentine's Day candy, etc. Even in high school, I was supposed to play in the pit for a Christmas show and my parents called the director to pull me out and the director was so pissed at me for bailing last minute. I would never wish that upon anyone yeesh.
It Truly warms the Cockles of My Heart that no matter how much Alexis begs Drew for the Sweet Release of a Quick Death, Drew Loves Her too much to follow through with It! No easy outs Alexis. The "P" Stands for Premeditated.
Honestly, out of respect for Grant and his very real healing journey, I don’t think I need to know exactly what happened. He can share his experiences and work through his trauma the way he sees fit. I also hear Darbys concern. The evangelical Christian church is a beast and they have no love for anyone who is not like them. I would be furious as an ally to queer people, and an ally to Christianity survivors, if y’all lost a single penny to the church! We love y’all and want the best for you both and this pod!
Hearing Darby talk about the switch its real, and it goes on and off like a light switch. So many wedding rings.
I’m glad you and your family are safe from the double hurricanes grant!
we fully support, acknowledge and are supportive of Grant's weight loss journey to look more like Uncle Drew. you are loved sir.
4 minutes in, and I've fallen in love with you both
Give it time. We will become unbearable to you soon.
But those first 4 minutes are pretty great.
Hey if you guys ever want to talk to someone who was raised as a Jehovah's Witness for 18 years and is a raging homosexual today with family still heavily involved with the religion then I am your man and happy to do it haha. Absolutely love this podcast!
53:10 Girl, it's rough. Even as someone who knew & accepted being gay from a young age and only hid those parts of myself out of necessity/self-preservation until I was 19, at 34 I still regularly struggle with self-actualization. I fully dissociated my entire way through college because I didn't know how to be a whole person, because I had no practice being one.
"Had no practice being one" hits me so hard! I'm currently deep in therapy trying to work through all the ways that staying closeted until 19 or 20 has kept me becoming a fully formed person. I'm trying to figure out all the ways that hiding myself has changed me and your comment hits me like a brick
Alexis is my spirit animal, forever love her
Michael English was a BIG name in our house. When he was younger, his family was the singing samaritans, he was about my mom’s age. The family were good friends with my grandparents and would come over for dinner when they were passing through town. Of course before I was born, but I heard the stories often. And when all the affair stuff came out, my family would not hear of it.
I think you are both right; the village is *not* fine, but I think more rest and more naps and less crankiness would be a good step toward helping it. Up with sloth! More sloth! We need to relax. and relax HARD!
Christianity will make you the kindest, most self-sacrificing person and still have you somehow believe you're evil. The dissociation is so real, and it's like you can't access your goodness and strength half the time, so it's so easy to believe you have to change part of yourself to be good enough.
Drew's new pod should be called Talk to Baby
This episode reminded me of some of my all time favorite (though sadly now defunct podcasts) that if you're into this type of stuff you'll probably enjoy. How To Heretic is by 3 former mormons (one of whomst is gay, for the bonus crossover appeal) who started it with the intention of being three "audio uncles" to recent ex-mormons and helping them navigate life after being shunned by their communities and over time evolved into kind of a study of the kookier aspects of various religions. The other one is Oh No Ross and Carrie where the two hosts are atheists, and go around joining fringe groups, religions, and trying various pseudoscientific modalities. They became scientologists, went to flat earth and UFO conferences, they would go to psychics every new years for predictions for what would happen to them that year, and then do an end of year recap to see how accurate they were, it was great. Unfortunately both of these shows are dead, but the content is fairly evergreen and you can still find both of them, totally worth a listen
Grant, say RAW again. I love you both so much❤
What exactly was Grant's crime against religion? I'm not sure if we covered this in episode 1.
Edit: Sorry, hadn't watched 'til 29:05 ...😙 Disregard! Whenever you're ready Grant!
Question for both of you! How do you guys feel about Christmas? Does Christmas have a different meaning to Grant now that he's not religious anymore? I'm not religious but Christmas is something I struggle a lot with because it's not.. really anything to do with christianity when you look into it, but the only thing left is capitalism trying to make you spend $$$ lol. I want to enjoy it I'm just not sure how.
It literally sounds like Grant worked at the church from the TV show "the righteous gemstones"
😭😭 Omg it sounds so similar lmaoo
I really find all of this fascinating. My story is very different. I was part of a church (Methodist) but I never believed any of it. In fact, when they wanted to confirm me at age 11, I told the minister guy that I don’t believe any of it. I said the Bible doesn’t make sense and the same people saying Santa isn’t real or the tooth fairy isn’t real think this magical person made this world or that the whole world flooded? His only response was that I just had to believe and being confirmed is really just for my parents. I told my folks that and said I wasn’t going to church again and they never made me (although they were a little disappointed).
Watching this episode reminded me of the time I went on a date with a woman who told me that she and her family were former Jehovah's Witnesses but were kicked out of the church because her dad had gotten in trouble with the law and gone to prison. She didn't tell me what he'd done but kept saying it'd been a big misunderstanding and people had overreacted and that she still had a very good relationship with her dad. After I went home, I found her dad's name on her Instagram, did a Google search, and learned that he'd been arrested after he was caught trying to meet up with a ~young girl~ he'd met online and was a registered sex offender. There was not a second date. 💀
A VERY polite suggestion, If you are worried about legal action y’all could start saying “allegedly” about the more intense stories possibly.
Love yall❤❤
We should start a GFM for Grant to get his arm x-rayed/looked at. Sidenote: I’m so happy Grant + family stayed safe from hurricane.
Not the gummies 😂
Darby, what would you say to 9 year old little Drew?
**Holds up picture frame from a desk 10 feet away**
👁️🫦👁️
Hi! Longtime listener, first time caller. This ep made me curious - have y’all consumed any of the many recent shows that touch on themes of questioning and breaking away from one’s faith? For me Under the Banner of Heaven (‘22) and Under the Bridge (‘24) come to mind, for example. If so, thoughts?
when I was in elementary school, we had reading buddies where someone in an older grade would be paired up with a younger student and would help them read and use the computer. My younger reading buddy was a Jehova's Witness and so when we were doing a holiday-themed activity on kidpix, she told me she doesnt celebrate christmas. I thought, "oh! she must be Jewish or celebrate Kwanzaa" but nope, neither of those. She then said her family doesn't celebrate holidays or her birthday. Me being 11 or 12 didn't really understand and so we just did generic shit on kidpix. I was raised atheist, but went to the Jewish community centre for after school care so I had some knowledge of different religions/how they celebrate around December but I was still so baffled that they had NO celebrations... at all. So sad for a kid to miss out, even if its just for a stupid class activity.
- This is why I'm pro life. And thank you for bringing it up.
- I was hoping we'd get here.
😂😂😂 This whole part cracked me up so bad
I have a question... what on earth is a hurricane fedora!? 😂😂😂
“Survive that whore’s womb” is such a wild line
Grant you should write a book. Start at the end while it’s fresh and raw. Then work your way back.
thanks drew. that last spiel was a revelation
taking adderall and then napping is a real bad habit of mine...i call it "productive sleeping" ... i actually think it's because (at least for me) adderall is less effective when i get less sleep, so if im tired enough to nap then my afternoon adderall is probably not gonna help much
Ray Boltz is a fine looking Christian Daddy Bear! You should get Him and His Husband on Your show. Maybe for Christmas!
Saw that Jimmy Carter submitted his early ballot today (with the most corpse-like photo in the news) and immediately thought of y'all 🥜
21:58 queen of melrose
Just two round boyz ❤
The UKs Royal necromancer hasn't had much work recently, so he's been shipped over to keep ol' Jimmy going against his will.
Darby needs to write a memoir
She can't write. She's the drag version of Lea Michele.
Hi Grant, big fan here. Could you please lower the volume of the intro/outro song? It's making me deaf and then you'll have to take care of me, and you don't want that (unless 👀). So yeah. Thank you
I’ll make it so low that you’ll need subtitles to know it’s even playing.
Sorry. ❤️👂
Grant with all due love and respect. We all wanna know the story because gay people are messy and love gossip and drama. 😌
But seriously, you don't have to tell it unless you want to and are ready to share 🙂
You guys talk about Jesus so much a religious pro life hot dog stand commercial came on during an ad break. lol
Kentucky mention, we won y’all
I wanna know who told who first about Liam Payne, Drew or Michael? 39:18
I love this podcast. Just don't talk over each other all the time. It's hard to follow sometimes
Drew you always had empathy and you were never a monster .You weren't married you did not promise nothing to nobody. Those married men and pastors basically just used you...young hot Twink :) They were monsters because they promised loyalty to their wives .Your own big empathy made you feel as criminal .guilt and shame you felt more as them its twisted ...you were scared to have relationship because you weren't allowed to grow up as proud gay man by your community and probably your family. But look at you now u slay Queen :) you are loveable person .xxx
Grant.. take the time you need to see some good xo Love you guys xo You both the best bestest x
I grew up as a muslim in a majority muslim country. Being gay and knowing that others would not accept me for who I am is fucking suck. Always got told that I'm gonna go to hell not because of what I did but just because I am gay just make me view this religion and community from a really different perspective. How that you always say that you are a religion of peace but also at the same time being the loudest one when it comes to being discriminative towards queer people. fucking baffling.
p.s. English is not my first or second languages, I'm not gonna apologize for whatever mistakes I made
7:45 😭😭
There's a youtube channel called From Cults to Consciousness I think you both would be interested in. They interview a ton of people who have left cults/high control religions.
Not the GOD SHIRT hahaha
Gay one where did you get the knitted top?
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Was it Stephen Curtis Chapman that accidentally killed his kid?
His older son did by pulling into the driveway too quickly.
Obsessediana
57:01 enough of all of this foolishness ☝🏾
Does anyone else think Grant should be a counselor
I’ve had the same thought…
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I know what Angela did, but has Grant actually described in detailed what HE did to get fired? Where is HIS accountability?
Yawl lil treasure beans
I absolutely relate soo hard to the denial of your sexuality part. Logic had so little to do with it. For me it's not because of religion but because I grew up in China.