20 Things You Didn't Know About Star Trek: The Motion Picture (1979) Part 1
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2020
- Deleted scenes, unused scripts, studio politics, and more tidbits about the first Star Trek movie.
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😂 Oh man! How’d you get that footage of Captain Foley!?!?
I saw that too and did a double take, Lmao.
@@geoffharris724 where ?
1:10 - 1:18 in the video
It wasn't the Captain... It was a Changeling!!!!!!!
from a Foley artist of course! Ba Dum Shhht!
It's an AWESOME Movie.
You are too dull to recognize it.
I loved it! It's not dull, it's cerebral. It's both big and small, and it lets you ease into each moment. Whether it's a massive energy cloud, a rock in the ship's path, or the subtleties of various relationships, you get to immerse yourself in it all and connect with how one may experience the moment. It's contemplative and full of wonder.
Fun fact: I was named after Ilia, thanks to my mum being a huge Trekkie
I met a woman named Jadzia once and asked if her parents were Trek fans, she sighed heavily and begrudgingly confirmed that they were
That is so cool.
That is awesome!!
I named my daughter Serenity. She loves her name!
It’s a beautiful name...
I like _all_ of the Star Trek films and have them all on dvds. ❤️🙂🖖
The vast majority of people under 60 years old did not experience Star Trek: The Motion Picture in theaters at its release. It was an event. Like many movies at the time, it was completely intended to be watched on a giant screen in a silent, dark theater with no distractions. Nowadays, movies are made with the expectation they will be viewed on a small screen in a living room where you have full access to your phone and kitchen, etc. STTMP is most definitely a theater movie, and watching it outside of that environment will certainly result in a more boring, less entertaining experience.
This movie is my favourite of all of them.
I was 8 when this debuted in the theaters. Naturally I was blown away by the story and, later when it was on TV, when I was 12, I really appreciated Ilia.
I'm truly sorry for anyone who thinks TMP is boring. I love it! This one and Khan are my favorite two!
2:00 The first Star Trek pilot was The Cage
The pilot was titled The Cage.......
TMP is my favorite Trek movie. 👍
I'm not a Trekkie by any means but I've always enjoyed the series and the movies. But there is something about the first motion picture that makes it my favorite(with Wrath of Khan a very close second), I've just never been able to put my finger on it. "Flawed masterpiece" is a PERFECT description of this movie. I absolutely love it.
My favourite Star Trek movie
I never thought about The Motion Picture being the most cinematic.
I saw it in theaters at 13yo so I couldn't appreciate it then. I actually
didn't until he mentioned the cinematic quality and it make sense.
Motion Picture is actually one of my favourite Trek movies.
I legitimately like this movie.
I love this movie.
"Booring"? .. . depends WHAT you consider EXCITING in the first place. Now personally I happen to find ohhhh guns, stunts, car chases, crashes, and explosions pretty dull myself, so I don't miss THAT shit one bit when watching THIS film.
I've always thought the original movie (considering the level of technology when it was made) is lush and epic. I still enjoy watching it.
It came out 3 years after Star Wars and looks as though it came out 10 years before. So, I disagree.
I like it best, too.
@@countluke2334 Well, I find Star Wars rubbish, so I disagree with you. :)
I’d say TMP ranks up there as a better version of Black Hole.
@@russellharrell2747 I love that! Gonna have to use that one sometime.
My favorite of the films.
This movie is a masterpiece.
Sadly, few will agree. I love TMP (I could watch them fly around the refit Enterprise for an hour) and it is my wife's favorite TOS movie. I think folks miss out on the much more purely sci-fi nature of the story. Khan remains my favorite Trek movie (and Undiscovered Country is sooooo close, thanks Nick Meyer!), but those are much more action flicks set in space. TMP feels like a real mystery in space - and I don't think the pacing suffers personally. I mean, come on, 2001 is brilliant but it wasn't exactly moving a breakneck speed. And you know what? For those of us who love it, we love it :)
@@jtreedy116 I hear ya. I watched 2001 for the first time earlier this year and found it pretentious and dull as hell. Just my opinion. And I'm actually a Kubrick fan.
I enjoyed the hell out of this movie and I think people who find it "slow or boring" to be unimaginative and kinda low IQ.
I could never understand the dislike of the first movie... it is the most "Star Trek" of the TOS film releases. No, it might not be like the other big summer action film hits, but it nor Star Trek ever was meant to be.
Agreed!
Well, I'm particularly surprised to hear an "assessment" like THAT from Harlan Elison. I mean, sure, I can understand such a review from your typical modern-day American moviegoer who's accustomed to more action-oriented type movies saying THAT about this movie and some professional critics too, .. . but ELLISON? . . an AUTHOR whose own work isn't exactly known for its racing "high-octane" action!
I think it was the most watchable of all of the films, and with the most intelligent story. The costumes were very good too. They only got worse in later films
Not "summer", Christmas film.
"Booring"? .. . depends WHAT you consider EXCITING in the first place. Now personally I happen to find ohhhh guns, stunts, car chases, crashes, and explosions pretty dull myself, so I don't miss THAT shit one bit when watching THIS film.
0:41 Little did she know that she'd look absolutely amazing without her hair...and that's really an understatement. Gone way too soon.
09:12 I've got my Eaglemoss Regula One right by my desk watching this. I just took it off its stand and flipped it upside down... It's the same model!!
Never had a movie promised so much in it's opening scene and later delivered so little.
The Director's Cut was on VHS as well.
I watched for the 3rd time earlier this year with my 7 year old son. At 39 years old myself, I finally liked it. It was a pretty decent movie, even if a bit ...oldish in style vs the later movies. It has its great moments like the opening Klingon attack, which my 7 year old drew on paper, days after haha
The Director's cut is the best version of the film, which is great. Definitely and securely in my top 4 list of ALL Trek Films
I don’t give a shit how bad critics say it was I love the movie and watch it often.
'Where Nomad Has Gone Before!' Ha Ha! Very Clever! I remember thinking at the time 'This is 'The Changeling' with a bigger budget!'!
I actually read a book that was really more a compilation of quotes and notes about the production of TMP that indicated at one point it was *recognized* that TMP was a rehash of "The Changeling," but by that point in the production, they really didn't care anymore. Sadder still is that "Changeling" was a much better realized treatment of the concept than the "disappear into nothingness" resolution offered up by TMP.
@@DIYDaveOK my understanding was vger went to another dimension.
@@paulheap1982 Yes, it did, but for the average viewer who didn't get that abstraction, it made the movie's finish decidedly unsatisfying.
@@DIYDaveOK you mean the average brain dead dumb ass that never picks up a book ?
i found the movie's end just fine but i can see how general audiences wouldn't and the sad truth is; its because the shit went over their head. Star trek got the green light because 2001 and star wars were huge money draws, but when they sat down to write the script they went too cerebral with the material. and while 2001 was also a thinking "man's" movie. it was heavily toned down from the novel because they knew to get ass'es of the masses in the seats they needed something that didn't liquify an idiot's brain. Cerebral movies like 1984, and ST:TMP are often amazing materpieces , but at the same time they tend to put large crowds to sleep due to a lack of action (cept those 1984 love scenes .. damn lotta action in those :P ).
jokes aside , the bottom line is that Roddenberry and crew , shot out the gate with a level 10 brain buster of a movie (by most people's standards) it's why the much less thought provoking ST II:TWoK beat it out in popularity and sales.
Much like how TWoK is a cross between Space Seed and Balance of Terror. :P
Love the motion picture I feel it is very underrated compared to the others I thought It had a great story. When I was a kid and a teenager I felt it was so boring but watching it now as an adult I can really appreciate it
It was a good double episode of the Original series..A bridge to the movies..
I’m not a Trekkie, but I liked this film. The existential angle was intriguing.
I loved this movie. It was and is a great movie.
Everytime I watch it on VHS/DVD I fall asleep. I have never made it through the whole movie.
I feel like The Motion Picture was trying way too hard to be 2001: A Space Odyssey.
I kinda feel it was trying to prove itself against Star Wars. Either way, while not one of my favorite movies, it was great to see the Enterprise for the first time in refit form.
I can see some influence there but the tone and atmosphere was much different.
Well, THAT kind of SET IT APART in an era in which MOST OTHER sci-fi flicks were being Star Wars wanna-be's instead.
More like Roddenberry was trying too hard to be Kubrick.
Very cinematic.
Elements of the machine plant made it into Star Trek: The Next Generation as the Borg.
I wonder if Doohan used Gaelic/Gaeilge as a model . . . . Kind of makes sense, given that Scott and O'Brian are the only Federation personal who often drink and fight with Klingons . . . .
Far and away my favorite Star Trek film. Much more cerebral than the action movies.
Sure it's slow, much like 2001.
And like 2001 a rare sci fi film that made a successful reach for the profound.
I watch Star Trek the emotionless picture when I have trouble sleeping💤💤
I liked it, I didn't know what the hate it was getting was.
Men: Bald women are NOT hot!
Persis Khambatta: Hold my hair.
Until I watched it this year for the third time, I never paid attention to the fact that she was from India. Hehe. (I was born there)
Well, ONLY PERFECTLY GOOD-LOOKING people are able to look good BALD. MOST people do look better with hair.
@@ianfindly3257 picard looks better when he's bold tho hahaha
Capt Foley from Trek yards running away is just classic.
My favorite ST movie
In the Secound pilot " where no man has gone before", 1965., .Kirk's middle initial is " R". Later it was changed to " T" for Tiberius .( Second ).So, Kirk's tomb stone read. James. R. Kirk., keep in mind this was a pilot episode that was only to be shown to NBC big wigs. ( Later on it was included with the regular series because there was no episode ready for the following week. So pilot # 2 was shown in its place. confused the viewers because the uniforms were different, and the female crew members wore pants.)
i used to be a big Star Trek fan but i've never seen this movie all the way through. I invariably fall asleep. I also fell asleep in the theater watching Star Trek: Nemesis and never bothered to buy the DVD or BluRay.
As a Trek fan from the days when TOS wasn't called TOS, and have followed virtually all Trek productions in the intervening 40 years, I have to say that this is a pretty fair treatment of the troubled history behind TMP. One tidbit (that, in fairness, might be addressed in Part II) not mentioned is that there was some discussion that new Trek adventures would be released as periodic "special feature" television events rather than a conventional weekly TV series or movie. Michael Eisner floated this concept at one point, I think.
Also, the idea to change or rebuild the sets for the transition from Phase II to TMP was largely Robert Wise's decision. When he was brought in to helm the movie, he came into the sets - all built for a TV caliber production - the story is he said they'd all have to be scrapped because they weren't suitable for movie filming. The cost for the original sets, which was part of the Phase II production budget, was rolled into TMP's production cost - which hit close to $50 million; an astronomical figure for a 1970s film.
One other tidbit: While I'm sure its entirely coincidental, the production values and set design in TMP bear a striking resemblance to another Robert Wise sci-fi adventure: "The Andromeda Strain." The latter movie is a sci-fi tale written by Michael Crichton (sp) about a supposedly top-secret germ warfare lab called "Wildfire" deep in the Nevada desert. But the interiors of "Wildfire" bore a *striking* resemblance to the interiors of the Enterprise; circular decks, flashing corridor lights, sliding doors, lots of blinky things in the walls, even the same somewhat somnambulent direction where people are caught staring into the camera in amazement at, well, *something*. Compare the two and you'll be struck by the similarities. I know I was.
I look at all these retrospectives and always end up wondering..."What might have been..." What if "Wrath of Khan" had been the *first* movie produced? It would have been an even bigger blockbuster than it was, and the Trek movie franchise might have moved in an entirely different direction.
Well, I'm surprised to hear an "assessment" like THAT from Harlan Elison. I mean, sure, I can understand such a review from your typical modern-day American moviegoer who's accustomed to more action-oriented type movies saying THAT about this movie and some professional critics too, .. . but ELLISON? . . an AUTHOR whose own work isn't exactly known for its racing "high-octane" action!
Harlan Ellison is know for his critiques. His harshest was the Canadian produced variant of his book "Phoenix without ashes" called The Starlost. He was so angry and disgusted with what he saw he resorted to using his pseudo name of Cordwainer Bird to prevent from being associated with it. He's harsh and IMHO he judged STTMP for its lack of cohesion, numerous mistakes and it's approach to transcendence.
Um, the first pilot was not called "The Menagerie", it was called "The Cage".
Yep. The Managerie used footage from the pilot.
The title of the pilot originally was "The Cage," but during production, Roddenberry changed it to "The Menagerie." When the two part episode ended up with that title later, the pilot was reverted back to "The Cage."
It's quite possibly my favourite movie. It doesn't always need to be pew pew pew.
I always imagined Planet of the Titans as Star Trek goes to Cybertron.
I liked the motion picture.. to me it reminded me of many aspects of the tv series i/e relating to our current times .. probably many of those condemning it were just expecting a star wars type scenario..
The original pilot was "The Cage." "The Menagerie" was the 11th & 12th episodes of the first season making it the only two parter of the original series. The events of "The Cage" were shown when Spock was put on trial for stealing the Enterprise and setting up the autopilot to take the Enterprise to Talos IV.
Apparently it was called the menagerie for a time, they often reuse names.
Damn, beat me to it!
Psoma_Brufd however, officially, it was called “The Cage”.
@@U-rok yes, but that was long after development, which he was talking about.
Psoma_Brufd interesting. Thanks for the info.
Also the Vulcan science officer Kirk wanted on the Enterprise, who got caught in the transporter accident, was basically a stand-in for “Xon” from Phase II. (Of course having the original actor for Xon being digitized by V’Ger basically was a way of killing “Xon” off twice.)
If you are interested in learning more about the evolution of this movie from a filmmaking/acting perspective, "Chekov's Enterprise" by Walter Koenig is a collection of his experiences from pre-production through production. It's a great book filled with a lot of detail.
Interesting stuff. Never thought that James Doohan created the Klingon Language.
I am enjoying this list! Sean Ferrick is doing a terrific job with this material! I have a sense of joy in the presentation of these insightful nuggets of information.
Captain Foley is everywhere!
Another fun fact; I was pregnant with my daughter when I watched this movie again and the initial name I was going to give her changed to Ilia. I changed the spelling to help people recognise it when they saw it but, my daughter owes her name to this movie
"The Menagerie" wasn't the pilot. The pilot was titled "The Cage." Bits of that episode were chopped up and later incorporated into "The Menagerie."
The first title of the pilot was menagerie but they later changed it to the cage
I mean this in the nicest way possible, I genuinely love this movie, but I use this to sleep when I have insomnia. It’s just interesting enough to hold my attention so my brain stops racing with whatever was keeping me awake. At the same time it’s pacing, music, imagery, everything is just so beautiful and deliberate that it isn’t overly exciting & stimulating but instead deeply relaxing. In the end I usually drift off to a peaceful sleep somewhere around the big rec deck crew briefing scene.
Nearly every night!!! Presumed I was the only one lol
Ordizz - Dune and The Black Hole work good too for similar reasons.
That's also why this is the perfect movie to watch when you have a hangover
Mix the best of TMP with bezt of TWOK. You get recipe for making great Trek film.
Not sure why you included the shot of the actress crying while getting her head shaved but good call.
At first I laughed, then I felt sorry for her. Guilty that I laughed and finally found a new respect for the sacrifice people make in order to make films like this happen.
Ran through more emotions than I did watching STTMP.
WAIT WAIT WAIT ... @3:17 .... The Vietnemese army used Sauron's emblem as their own?!
Robert Wise was the ONLY director in the quadrant...
Or... It's a cerebral film and it certainly divides the fan base.
Enterprise should be the only ship that's NOT in range, if they are indeed on a 5-year mission exploring UNKNOWN worlds.
Over time TMP has become my favorite Star Trek film. Sure, slow, but much sci-fi is as well. Great film primarily about relationships.
honestly and I'm sure I'm not the only one that has thought but isn't vger *voyager* technically called the beginnings of the borg? Before Star Trek brought the borg to life in TNG show?
12:29 Daaaaamn, Frakes is 🔥😍
I liked the movie and still do and wish they made more movies. 👮♂️
This is Star Trek.
It wasn't too bad. Arguably the second best of the odd numbered Trek movies (after Search for Spock), and better than all the JJTrek movies.
Another good one
It's curious that the Enterprise is the "only ship in the Quadrant" whenever an emergency crops up, when it should be on a 5 year mission exploring the OTHER quadrants (exploring strange new worlds, new life and new civilsations etc etc). I doubt star ships of the TOS era day could get that far to reach Gamma, Delta or Beta quadrants in any efficient time-frame. Maybe the "Quadrants of the Galaxy" were different in those times. I mean, star charts change all the time I would assume.
A time warp sent Captain Decker and Dr. Taylor back in time and they had 7 kids
Whatever you think of it, this movie did well commercially and paved the way for the continuation of the franchise.
JJ Abrams also was a former TV director and I wouldn't consider him an A-List director. Spielberg is A-List.
Abrams did Ally McBeal now he's the ultimate geek director who has definitely killed Star Trek with his reboot and Star Wars with his sequel...
@@alexeimscruz2893 LMAO
Whether you like his work or not, he’s an A-list director now for sure, and pretty much already was when he was hired for the ‘09 Trek.
@@GregorBarclay I don't know he definitely had a lot of great TV under his belt at that point but the only film he had directed was Mission Impossible 3
I agree. He's definitely made a lot of popular movies, but not A-List by a long shot.
I'm approaching 50yo, so I grew up on the occasional watch of the original series on reruns, and some animated series, then got properly hooked on all things Trek since 1987 and the arrival of TNG. From there it had pretty much been everything Trek except for later series of Discovery. Picard series was perfection. What I found quite offensive about Lower Decks is how they've turned the entire TNG aesthetic into a teen-appealing bouncy hyperactive American-youngster thing, not fit for appearance on any channel other than Nickelodeon - I can't fathom how anybody who loved TNG back in the 80s & 90s would EVER be able to appreciate it, and yet they've used all the TNG designs and uniforms, etc. Just baffling.
Your videos are always so professional made and realy informative! I thank you so much!!
Best wishes from Germany! :)
I'd say that Doohan created klingon words. There was not really a language displayed
Insightful..!
People don’t realize that it was Trek going to the big screen that ensured the success of Trek spinoffs. The glimpses we get of a new Star Trek TV series really were bad. The movies forced Paramount to bring their A Game for all future TV Trek productions.
Yeah, and then they let a hack like Kurtzman produce utter garbage like Discovery and Picard. Utter garbage.
Great episode. There are indeed many little golden Nugget moments in Star Trek: The Motion Picture and it is worth revisiting if you have not seen it in years!
The costumes from 'The Cage' has very similar attributes to the new ones for TMP.
Funny thing is that the cage had a better look that tos.
TMP is an ongoing trivia treasure trove! 👍
THANK YOU! While there were only two things in this video that I didn’t know, it was extremely refreshing to see the reference to the fact that early scripts and proposed series were all called “Star Trek II” and that the oft used “Phase II” (a tentative, short lived title for the series)and “Planet of the Titans” are fan based terms. True, there were several attempts to publish “The God Thing” as a novel, but the screen treatment for that was also called “Star Trek II”.
15:11 It is not logical to leave a nicely air-conditioned starship to do this.
I always referred to it as, ‘Star Trek’s 2001’.
Kirk's middle name originally started with R ("Where No Man Has Gone Before"), but it was never revealed. It was changed to Tiberius later in the first season.
14:22 That young Vulcan looks like Richard Hatch in spock ears.
I like Star Trek The Motion Picture.
I love TMP especially the Directors Cut but it’s more 2001 than the original series.
I so want the Director's Cut but with the alarm klaxons from the theatrical release.
JT Reedy It’s a small detail I totally agree with.
I liked it. The ending was beautiful. Yah, sterilize, sterilize you know the thing.
It's still better than 2009
I love _The Motion Picture_ and occasionally watch it whenever I want a good, classic sci-fi experience.
naaa to slow and not enough action
I could the say the same or worse about _2001: A Space Odyssey, Interstellar,_ or _Alien_ and yet those films are also good. Hell, 2 of those were outshined by their sequels like this one as well.
@@MichaelAarons1701 I could see that but its not the same Alien for example has action and is very good but The Motion Picture has no real action and just drags
I challenge that. _Alien_ has very little in the vein of “action”; it has suspense mostly. But the only real action comes when either Ash tries to kill Ripley or she’s desperately trying to get off the _Nostromo_ and later has the final scare of the Xenomorph having divined her plan and stowed away with her on the _Narcissus._ The whole film is essentially _Jaws_ in Space and _Jaws_ was more about the Human element dealing with a threatening creature so it’s more small encounters. Since you can’t see the shark for long stretches, it’s either implied presence or the occasional glimpse until the final moment when Hooper’s in the cage below, Quint is dead, and Brody (who’s been rather gutless seeing the size of the thing) has to take a stand. Most of the film is bureaucracy, the daily workings of a fishing boat, or male bonding. _The Motion Picture_ is a mystery so “real action” is murky unless you’re wanting to go _Predator_ where every so often the characters have to boisterously blast their guns here and there while trying to figure out the mystery of what’s stalking them. Everything else you said, pure opinion as *I* find _The Motion Picture_ “very good” and that it drags far less than some other things but it’s pace is not anything I’ve ever had any issue with.
@@MichaelAarons1701 I see your point but I still say ''The Motion Picture'' is too slow and needs more action and combat
Ah dang. I need that Yeoman Janice poster.
Especially the lower half
Wow, I had never seen some of those behind the scenes shots before and seeing Persis Khambatta looking like she was choking up when they're shaving her head kinda hurt.