Could bystanders have prevented NYC subway fire death? | Vargas Reports
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- Retired NYPD Lt. Commander Joe Cardinale and Manhattan Institute fellow Rafael Mangual join NewsNation's "Elizabeth Vargas Reports" to discuss the killing of a woman sleeping on a New York subway. Sebastian Zapeta, an undocumented immigrant from Guatemala, is accused of setting the woman on fire early Sunday morning on an idle subway train in New York City.
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He's not insane he's a Monster
Beyond
I don't buy the insanity claim he sat and watched her die it's way to sick. And if he's sick lock him up in psych ward..,.......
@@ChanaReich how is that not the same as insane?
Nobody is insane.
An illegal migrant.
Insanity is NO longer an excuse for anyone. Stop using that insanity loop hole
Agreed. It's too easily abused to mitigate punishment and even if someone is insane that's not normally an excuse for their actions. They should still face consequences.
Insanity just means someone goes to a mental institution until they are fit to stand trial....
It hardly ever works in court decisions even if we hear about it as a defense often.
It is full blown demonic activity.
I only saw insanity in the government officials by ignoring the problem of homelessness and poverty in the country.
Forget the bystanders, how about the police who just walked by her?
She was already on fire. The damage was done by time they walked by. The passengers could have prevented or stopped this situation. But New York punishes good citizens.
If you look he mentioned it on his walkie talkie. What do you expect him to do?! Put it out with his flammable polyester jacket?
@Releasethebats123, there is no excuse. The lack of care and urgency is what's wrong with this situation
@@SlapwillMotivateno excuse - it’s disgusting that people let this happen - this is why I left nyc
How many Police Officers have you seen walking around with fire extinguishers?
Were they supposed to shoot the flames out? Maybe taser them?
How did NOBODY snuff out that fire and lower that poor woman to the ground, and comfort her while medics arrived,.....how did NOBODY do this....what is happening to us that we can watch another human burn to death while standing up....10 people laughing and commenting in the background? HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN!!!!?? WTF have we become???
Evil at its finest
A Marine helped save people and was criminally charged.
Nihilism
The police might arrest you for intervening before, and lawyers might sue you for intervening after.
@@bills6093 I don't care...how can anybody live with themselves after not intervening???....she was standing there...alive.. BURNING TO DEATH....there was time to save her, to show compassion to another human being....I fear that we are heading down a road that we should not have.
ILLEGAL, not a migrant.
He omitted that intentionally. Immediately tells me he’s anti deportation.
What would you expect? It is the news media way of controlling their narrative.
I know right! ICE gave a detainer saying they can take this guy even if he is sentenced and deport him what makes ICE think this guy won't come back he did already ICE deported him then he came back.
But yet this isn’t considered a terrorist attack like Luigi’s case
Apparently it only qualifies as terrorism if the ultra-wealthy feel threatened as a collective. It would be rare, if ever, to encounter a person of substantial wealth sleeping on public transit, so the attack, despite being extremely violent and inhumane, did not incite terror amongst the "right" demographic.
Terrorist = political statement. There was no statement here
It's because Luigi is an American citizen and not an illegal alien
A terrorist attack targets civilians with an ideological motivation. This was murder because it was not for an ideological cause.
Because it's not.
The biggest evil is allowing this to continue happening.
Cant wait for Trump. We're taking our country back.
"WE THE PEOPLE" allowed this to happen! We were so concerned with being politically correct and made way for the "Gaza" protestors to disrupt our everyday lives, yet none of us protested to have Biden shut down the border even after a second or third of one of our citizens died at the hands of foreign invaders.
Furthermore, we're quick to pull out our cellphones at the drop of a hat to record others being victimized by thugs in our subways, but how many of us are ready to defend a fellow citizen; or applaud one who does, rather than call them vigilantes?! Those who stand idly by when someone is being victimized are no better than the perpetrator. May The Almighty help me, because I refuse to stand idle any longer!!!
Exactly they need security everywhere to much crime happens too much
Democrats
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Daniel Penny effect
Pure evil we live amongst 😡
These are literally vessels that contain demons.
USA is becoming like communist China
Meanwhile in palenstine
Mailz
Evil has been here, demons are just going to manifest more. In every work of sin will and is normal. Jesus is coming back. The world will get worse and the church is going to become more glorious until he comes.
Bystanders are not going to help you, but they will video your death, so you have that going for you. learn to protect yourself, because no one will help you but you.
True dat.
That's for sure people don't care they don't like to get involved! Sickening
Daniel Penny got involved, and he was treated as a criminal when he was only trying to protect others.
even if they try to help the law will try to charge time with a charge like Danile penny
@@moonwolf2545 I wouldn't be sticking around to talk to the police. They seem to want you to be a victim and punish anyone that intervenes. The police protect these people for some reason. I guess they would be looking for me. I wouldn't standby and watch, but thats just me.
Im a Marine veteran. I would have done something and gone to jail for it. Semper Fi
Im a woman No one person even thought of smothering the flames.😢
Thank You For Your Service To Our Great Nation. 🙏🏻🇺🇸😀
@@musicman3641Thank you for your service and being a great person! Merry Christmas!
Thankyou Sir xxxxx
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His soul looks dead
It is dead. There is pure evil. We are in a spiritual battle.
It basically is.
What an incredible thing it is.. he is alive and breathing but his eyes and soul are empty and you can see it.. it is unbelievable that there are such people among us and how... how can that happened ..that a person comes to the point of losing his soul ..
True
He’s a NPC and a bad one at that.
Mayorkas needs to be held acountable for this, and needs to be ordered to do a inperson viewing during her autopsy so he can see for himself what risks he has put every america person at
Mayorkasatanic NYC 😢
Mayorkas, Biden, Harris, Schumer, and every leftist Democrat…and all the leftist media, they are all guilty!
Biden and Harris too!!!
No more Migrants and 1st gen citizens serving in positions that are sensitive and deal with national security. A multi generational American would not have been cool with opening the border to that extent
@tarikviaer-mcclymont5762 that is the dumbest comment I've read.
No one helped her, no one took their jacket to try to smother the flames. Everyone just stood there watching.
Anyone with some common sense would know that if you take a jacket or something like it and cover the lady, so the flames died out, she could have lived.
But no, no one did anything but watcher her, even the cops who are supposed to be first responders did nothing. That lady died when she shouldn't have.
And people standing right in front with their phones fillming! Honestly disgraceful
I agree.
No-one wants to be another Chauvin and Penny.
Let's lay the blame on the monster .
You obviously don't live in New york City. One opens their mouth or get involved here you can pretty much assume someone will punch you or stick a knife in you or shove you infront of a train.
THAT is why people "mind their own business".
And watch or walk away.
Now after what Penny had to go trough- getting his life and finances destroyed. Who would bother getting involced ??. Very rarley one sees any cops walk around.
This is not a small town. This is a DAILY violent town.
Go where you have to go, do what you have do and mind your own business or you WILL become a daily statistic in some newspaper.
Bystanders were pure cowards. NYC holds another L!
Agreed so disgusting !
So Bragg can sent them to jail?
The following day someone pushed an old man into the tracks. NYC isn’t safe.
You can see evil in his eyes.
Yes, everyone could have done something. The cops too. This is just terrible.
What? The minute she breathed in ONE breath of hot smoke and maybe fire - it was TOO Late. Lungs damaged and collasped. (see my post re NYC bld fire)
- MHO that said - seems in the age of smart phones (none when I lived in NYC or even the internet at the time!) and people not connecting with others.
- My last few months there - a young lady crossed the street and almost got hit as she was on her phone (and walked against the light)
After Mr Penny was arrested for murder no one is willing to help anyone anymore for fear of being arrested. NYC is backwards. Squatters get the house and the homeowners get arrested. A robber shoots at a store owner and the store owner shoots back in self defense and the store owner is arrested.
Probably nothing the non law enforcement bystanders could do. If you don’t have a fire extinguisher or a blanket or some sort of way to put the fire out what could you do. You could call out to her and tell her to stop drop and roll of course, but there’s always a threat of you becoming the next victim if you get involved.
@@sazure2 Dont assume. Ppl could have helped immed try to smother the fire.
Alvin Bragg probably would have stopped them from helping.
He's got those dead shark eyes. Evil incarnate. RIP to that poor victim. Bless her and her family. 😢
As per this system he was fine enough to be out on the streets
That guy looks like he's got lots of anger. You can see it written clearly on his face.
He is angry because he got caught. Remember... he came to America for a " better life ".
Yeah, he looks angry
That's the look of evil, and you should never forget it. Be sure to read his expression as precisely as possible, and don't ever invite those types into your space.
@@ForestNinjaZero I've met people with angry faces and they were good friends. Just stressed. Ted Bundy and OJ Simpson don't have this 'evil' look. So, I'd say to just be aware of people's actions and don't be too naive to trust people that show signs of abuse. It goes beyond that, but evil could have a pretty kind face as well.
That man is possessed. Read Jesse Romeros book. He was a cop in LA. He saw plenty of the same look.
He knew what he was doing!! He is not insane!!! Poor woman!! What a monster he is!!!
Not one person including the cops even tried to help her!
You don't need a blanket, just your coat or something. How disgraceful
Trump deported him, this lawless administration let him back in to do this heinous murder. Insanity my ass. I'm just nauseated
Maybe DJT "let him in"...they don't know when he came back.
Yes they do know he came back in 2018. Google it@@karencallahan-qm9pb
Do you know you're insane 😂
Guy was deported in 2018 and somehow snuck back in 2023. Other news reports have been reporting on it.
@@randallwinters7387I will always love Trump.
The last guy to prevent something on a subway got charged with murder so no one wants to help anymore
bingo
He also went free. The person he killed asked for food, he wasn't a murderer!!!!
Pretty weird how this isn't what every comment is saying
@@npguru Person who died later in hospital said he was ready to die. Careful what you ask for.
@npguru Why did all of the other witnesses say he was threatening people and then threatened to kill a pregnant woman.
40 odd something arrests. Multiple assaults upon women and the elderly.
Ya, sounds like an angel to me.
This person had to be demonic to do something like this!!
not in a right state of mind that's for sure
The video broke my heart. It was so many people just recording. Disturbing.
This was absolutely heartbreaking,
Governor should be charged
Mayor also
The mayor can stop the sanctuary laws any time and also has the authority to change the laws. This is more on him, having charge of the city, and that he could have changed this at any time.
Absolutely
Kamala too
What if they were republican? Would you still want them charged, and for a surprise random attack?
Yes of course bystanders could have , the cop passing maybe ??????
Remember Penny who stepped in?
He was waiting for backup. Officer safety you know.
yea cause the cop can shoot water out of his hands LOL
Remember Rittenhouse who stepped in?
Is there a fire extinguisher in the car or nearby? What would happen if a bigger fire broke out in the Subway; would anyone be able to stop it?
Shame on these cowards they allowed her to burn to death
Honestly what could somebody do if they don't have a fire extinguisher. You are talking about extreme heat here. Waving a jumper or sweater is not going to put the fire out.
Yes !that's what they did !!!!
Fr 🤦🏾♀️
Yup.. shame on them BUT they would have been charged by Alvin Bragg if they tried to stop him and he got Bar-B-Qued! Infringing on criminals 'rights' is a crime in the sh!thole!
If you watch the news a lot of the videos you see this woman burning the flames were so big and huge nobody could have got near her to help her yet the sky was outside the train watching the whole thing cuz the door was open the news reported that someone order conductor on the train got a fire extinguisher but it was too late to do anything this is what happens when these people come into this country we don't know who they are or where they come from according to the news this guy himself was homeless living in Brooklyn Manhattan and queens in daycare shelters what was he doing how did he get money how did he get a cigarette lighter
I used to live in Manhattan when I was a stock broker. I hated EVERY minute of it. The honest citizens have no means of self protection, and if you pull a firearm on a thug, YOU are going to jail. Law abiding citizens are at the mercy of the criminals. Even if you live in a "nicer" neighborhood like I did, the criminals travel to every part of the city. I refuse to live anywhere that I cannot possess a firearm to protect my family and property.
I left NY long ago
repugnant
NYC should be ashamed of itself
America should be ashamed for destroying itself.
My dad who is ex-army visited NYC in the 1970's and he witnessed multiple incidents while NYC citizens walked by not even looking at robberies and assaults. Nothing new there.
It's not the 70s though. My Dad was held at knife point twice in NY in the 70s and robbed. That was normal at that time. Do you want a return to that???
@@shadowboxer3583what are you talking about this ny is worse now then the 1970 when people burn in the subway 2024
An accelerant was most certainly used. SAD!!!
Agree- fire spread so fast & if she wore polyester (in everything)
I was wondering how a cigarette lighter could caused all this!
I don't believe this was his first murder. He probably has more bodies in the past.
Alcohol.
I was caught on fire once, In my panic, I remembered to drop and roll. It put out the fire. Couldn't someone have tried to tell her/ instruct her in what to do? My clothes were burned and melted, my hair, eyelashes, brows, burned... but l survived. She didn't. This is so sad. She was asleep, then woke up on fire, and nobody helped her.... I guess she was in shock to wake up on fire? 😢😢 I don't know what to say... There's no way that l could just stand there and not try to do something.
And that's because you care about others !!
Everyone in NYC has to ask themselves the same question before helping anyone: “is this worth my parents child or my children’s parent or my partners spouse going to prison? If I do what happens to them when I can’t be there to support them?”
It’s not about apathy. It’s about value judgements, and people value their own loved ones over strangers.
Where is the terrorism charge?
You don't understand the charge. Not surprising.
@@Leroy-df3eeI do. Your mom explained it to me.
Doesn't apply to him since the victim wasn't a CEO.
I ask the very same question. This is insanity.
The victim wasn’t a ceo or rich.
The question they should be asking is why the NYPD dude didn't help the victim put out the fire; he just calmly walked away from her. SMH.
Why should cops care about a homeless woman on a subway? We got rid of all the hardcore Rudy Giuliani stop and frisk guys and replaced them with polite and culturally sensitive police that beg and plead with perps rather than just handling business. This is what we asked for, this is what we got.
@@EMT_RickStop and frisk has nothing to do with the police doing what's right.
Thanks Alvin Bragg
The person who effectively destroyed the community spirit of New Yorkers and the empathy they had for one another.
Bodegabmoninationasty NYC 😢
Funny how these leaders are hiding or running away to avoid being questioned about the heinous crimes on their citizens.
Securing the border would definitely make a HUGE difference (hope this comment doesn't get removed like the previous).
Definitely! As would _not_ prosecuting bystanders when they step in to intervene and protect their fellow passengers on the subway.
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Agree
They're doing that to you too. The commercial comes on then my text often disappear
YOU ARE RIGHT! 💯💯
Who helped him get back in?! Someone paid he’s a criminal in Guatemala guaranteed.
I still can't believe no one helped that poor woman. I would've, instantly, it's my nature to help people. I would've helped her.
That's no excuse for anyone to stand around and not help a burning woman! Don't use the Penny case to excuse people for not helping this woman.
They are using this as an accuse. Black women in particular have been verbally and physically assaulted without anyone stepping in for decades…. Now that one is on fire people are using penny as an excuse.
Totally agree, most of the people using that excuse wouldn’t have done shit anyway. More likely to whip out their phones to record than try to assist her. No one is talking about subduing the guy, but helping an innocent who was on fire. Don’t use Penny as an excuse.
The woman was ON FIRE. Like fully enflamed. Most ppl don’t know what to do and to be honest, she was SO on fire that it could endanger whoever tried to help. And what were ppl gonna smother her with? I know this sounds awful but if someone took their coat off to smother, it would be ruined. A lot of ppl can’t afford to buy a new heavy duty winter coat. NY has freezing winters. I’m in Canada n just a couple hours from NY n a good coat costs at least $300. Im just saying, there could have been a lot of reasons ppl didn’t help. I’m sure this all happened fairly quickly too.. not a whole lot of time to do anything. AND cops were in scene. I would assume everyone thought the cops had it handled 🤷♀️
How can they overlook the Daniel Penny case? Alvin Bragg effectively destroyed most, if not all, motivation to follow the phrase commonly preached to the public: if you see something, say something (or do something). Your sentiment essentially tells people, "you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't." At least if you don't do anything you are not at risk of being branded a bigot and the perpetrator of a hate crime. People are more likely going to choose being branded as anonymous assholes because at least your identity is protected and your dignity is preserved. Daniel Penny is not an excuse, he is an example of how law enforcement can manipulate your genuinely good intentions into something nefarious.
@@infinitedreaming222 Daniel Penny was literally protecting black women amongst other identities from Jordan Neely who was behaving aggressively towards them.
NYC will prosecute you if you try to help out innocent bystanders on public transportation.
Excuses! Excuses!Excuses!!!
You can't defend innocent women, or you're going to be put up on trial with $100,000 in attorney's fees and the threat of life in prison.
And yet...I still would defend an innocent person regardless of the consequences.
@fetching-s3q well the majority don't feel that way and that's why you're going to see a lot of crimes with people doing nothing. Unless you've been living in a cave and you haven't seen the case where the black guy was threatening people and he was brought in a chokehold and died.
Maybe more $$
You are Right, You Cannot Put a Fire Out on Someone or you Get Murder Charges, ha ha! You are So Funny... I am So Amused... You understand what Sarcasm is Right? Dude! I was Trained under an Asian Master, an Aikido Master, but mostly with his Son doing MMA Starting at UFC 7, and the 1st thing I learned was How Dangerous Chokes are and too never Choke Someone Out all the Way! The Public has to know how Deadly what you see on TV is, considering if you have been following along allot of People have Gone Down by Chokes, and than they get a Free Pass throwing their Hands Up like I never Thought that was Going to Happen... My Brother in a Steroid Rage, No Knowledge to me we even had a Problem, I was Attacked from behind and Choked to Clinically Dead, and he got away with Playing Stupid, although he trained with the Same Asian Master I did...
@@Alpine_Forensics_Locating It was proven that the choke hold didn't kill him, it was all the illegal drugs in his system that caused his death.
He's not insane he is evil!!!!
The last person that defended subway goers got charged with murder f.
The last person who tried to save others on a subway was Daniel Penny, who the state tried to prosecute as a murderer. Why would anyone help if they’re just going to be criminally prosecuted for doing something?
Stop making excuses !! We all have to help each other !!
He did murder a man. A marine knows when to let go in a chokehold before killing someone. He got away in 3D earth but he still will have to answer to the spiritual world.
The fact that the police did absolutely nothing and didn’t even act surprised tells me there is something not right about this
This act could have been prevented quite possibly. The death of the victim DEFINITELY could have been prevented and harm could have been reduced if bystanders reacted.
There is no excuse for the lack of action.
Remember Daniel Penny?
Bystanders should never intervene…that’s how you get killed, hurt or charged with a crime…you have to look out for yourself…
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When the DA is eager to file criminal charges against bystanders when they intervene and then put them on trial that could result in a lengthy prison sentence, that "if" is going to have an extremely decreased likelihood of becoming a "when." Being a Good Samaritan apparently comes with a high probability of being labeled as the perpetrator, and depending on the individuals involved, a bigot.
Bystanders? Who is this cop that turned his back.
Where is Mayor Adams for this one?
Why is this animal in this country?
He's too busy keeping his eyes on Luigi.
Don't insult Animals like that.
Ask joe biden
I wouldn’t be surprised this guy did worse in he’s country or here in the states that he hasn’t been caught for
Why would they because they would be charged with murder like Daniel Penny was. NY will never have a bystander do a third-party intervention every again after that waste of taxpayers' money and let thieves rob stores of millions of products and money.
I just commented something very similar!! Exactly!! Why would anyone help when less than a month ago Alvin Bragg was trying to imprison Daniel Penny for protecting people on the subway!!
Wow, that's an extremely bad comparison. This poor woman was on fire. I think not helping her is inhumane.
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In NYC, when bystanders step up to help, suddenly they become the suspect and the initial aggressor transforms from criminal into victim, perpetrator to martyr, a trouble-maker to a completely innocent defenseless example of how we, society, failed to protect the less fortunate. When bystanders step up to protect one another some interest groups hear that dogwhistle and without any cause scream "discrimination!" and label it a hate crime.
DA Alvin Bragg effectively made the endangered population of Good Samaritans completely extinct. The likelihood of a Good Samaritan sighting in NYC is now going to be as likely as a sighting of a dodo bird or a dinosaur. Well done, Alvin Bragg!
daniel penny was found not guilty
why are there no fire extinguishers on subways??
There are, but if a civilian tries to intervene in a conflict on the subway, there is a high chance they could get criminally charged by the district attorney and branded as a bigot or predator by interest groups. Not many individuals want to take that risk, so they now leave it up to authorities to sort it out. Bystanders do not get any grace or protected liability.
New York needs a complete overhaul of the justice and political system. Only the innocent are considered criminals.
@@JC-kv1vn someone would break the glass?
@@Debthouse that is ridiculous
@@dianajennings7767 I agree. I hope this message gets back to the district attorney's office.
And the Mayor walks free spreading politics??? He should resign
Bystanders were cowards! Cops were cowards! This was someone’s daughter and these people allowed this momstwr to kill her in broad daylight
The cop that walked by needs to be assessor to the crime for doing nothing
accessory
Cops are not firemen.
he should be charged fs
Nycpd is hyper focused they put their best screw-up on subway met details because they're involved in lawsuits for excessive force here a cop walks by with a woman screaming in death throws and he goes I'm not a firefighter I'll just report yeah a woman is burning alive if that he properly went through his head and came up with a officer safety regulation all NYPD cops are a type it's overwhelming prescience or I didn't see nothing they're cowards to any camera they gang up on you catching them but if another cop gets beaten by an illegal they let em go gee you wonder why leo and judicial don't work because da Ada be like oh he only beat up a cop ror but you kill a ceo you get massive prescience
This crime was lethal because a "take charge" person was not on site.
Every person on the subway had an overcoat to smother the flames.
Good luck finding a Take Charge person after Daniel Penny incident in New York.
The cop could have taken one of fire extinguishers that are in the subway car. They know where they are located! He could have asked the jacket of something and use it as a blanket.
@@dicdicd1767 Yes!! 💯💯💯
Could he have gotten into the subway car though if it was engulfed by flames and smoke? I'm not trying to be combative, but wondering if that would even be feasible without him becoming engulfed as well.
Yep
@@or6913 if there is no fire extinguisher then another law sue for mta but I am sure there is in the subway car cab
@@or6913 the door of the subway was open.
no fire extinguisher anywhere on the train?
Have you ever been on a train in NYC?
Bystanders were not afraid. They just did not care.
He's not drunk and he knows what he's doing.
He was calm af the entire cookout.
@namastewellness Yup and he didn't give an ounce of care in the world
That's the thing. Nobody wants to get involve. It will literately ruin your life by simply helping.
I do hear you however I wouldn’t be able to help myself.
The audacity of expecting anyone else to get involved must be based in the belief that either the public does not follow current events and/or has collective short--term amnesia.
Excuses, humanity continues to die as we stray further and further away from kindness. This poor woman, RIP.
@@Jackson9612. It is tragic. She did absolutely nothing to deserve that. However, her unfortunate demise is the result of a perverted depraved individual who does not value human life and has no regard for the rules of society. Her violent painful torturous victimization was not a result of society's lack of kindness. It is really unfair to place blame on others who were not equipped, prepared, or hired to handle this type of unforeseen situation. Your disdain is misdirected.
That has nothing to do with this, most people don't follow news or current events, this happened in 1964 to Kitty Genevese. I'm sure there are more cases you can look into where people did nothing to help. Also putting out a fire is not the same as strangling someone.
they persecute helpers, unfortunately this is how it is
Close America
Protect Americans
This is our country.
These are our people dying
Ofc bystanders could have prevented it! Most New Yorkers are rude and selfish and will walk right pass you if something bad is happening to you or if you need help.
Everybody wants to get sh** on camera now instead of helping.
If any bystander came to her defense would Alvin Bragg have charged the Good Samaritan?
Look at what you did to Daniel Penny. Why would anyone step in with Bragg still there?
Exactly. He is salivating for innocent people to step up so he can knock them down and drag them through the mud. He must get off on it.
Are you serious? That would not stop me, she was burning right in front of people dude!
But how could you get in trouble for trying to put out a fire?
@@VeraxMusic By trying to stop the guy lighting the fire!!!!!? WTF dude?
Stop using this poor lady's suffering for your own agenda! It's not the same situation, and you know it
Yes, absolutely no excuse...they are complict in this crime.
no they are not
Nobody wants to be charged for doing the right thing.
Stop making excuses !
Mr Penny tried to help and ended up nearly getting the jail.
Apples and oranges.
Two different scenarios.
Mr Penny’s situation wasn’t allowed to escalate to physical harm or death for any of the innocent passengers… because he jumped in.
Unfortunately for this burn victim, nobody jumped in. So death of an innocent passenger was the result.
The situations are not completely unrelated.
Stop making excuses !
Don’t expect anyone to help you. You can only rely on yourself.
The bystanders are completely useless people and never helped someone whose in danger.
I;m guessing you never heard of Dennis Penny. Perhaps you should do a google search.
@@dennisbudd8102 Daniel Penny, but you are exactly correct! Help and then get charged with a crime, nobody wants that
@@Pav9001america is going towards third world countries now. In India if you help or touch victim you are deemed the main criminal rather than the one who perpetrate it. Even if somebody robs your house if you kill robber you get charged for murder. This is insane
Is it me or does anyone else want to build a wall around NYC?
They are all cowards
Alcohol doesn’t make you do what he did. That man is evil. That was intentional.
The fact that someone who’s created a problem, while being here illegally has freedoms to an evaluation baffles me 🤔 what is going on with our country?
Bullying is not cool and murder is not cool too.
I desperately want Eric Adams out of office. This city needs a better mayor. Him and his entire administration - OUT.
No one wants to be the next Daniel Penny.
DA Alvin Bragg did not make it a very alluring experience.
@@DebthouseDon't forget about the biased judge trying to manipulate the jury to get a conviction
cowards
A strong border could have prevented this from happening. Rest in peace to that poor woman. A Pure evil act.
Horrible monster setting another woman on flames. She has a family and he did this to her
The better question is , could our government have prevented NYC fire death?
The answer is yes, absolutely yes.
Yes, Absolutely, let's hold them Accountable!!!!
She could have been alive if this guy was taken away he shouldn’t be here in the first place like trump said they ain’t bringing the best in here and it’s true these ppl robbing ppl in store register and they are the ones rising the prices they are using practices they play the victims and play don’t understand English it’s the same roll game every immigrant does in every store I went to across nyc ppl here are tired of these ppl
No one even tried 😢
Why Daniel Penny case? What happened in 1964 to Kitty Genevese in Queens? People studied that case. This effect is nothing knew.
Absolutely, the "Bystander Effect". Multiple people witnessed her murder and NO ONE called the cops. They all said later they figured someone else had already called. So sad.
Now after what happened with Penny, people are afraid of intervening. I think we should always try to help and the DA Bragg & Governor need to resign immediately.
This horrific incident IMMEDIATELY reminded me of Kitty Genevese.
The story was part of an English class I was in in the 1970s.
I instilled the mantra in my brain: "never again a Kitty Genovese" if I'm in a situation were I can help my fellow "man".
Daniel Penny has that mindset. Hopefully his act of courage has inspired others to act in kind.
1964 people didn't wanna get involved for fear of getting in harm's way. It's 2024 and not only is that possible, but the DA is going to charge you with a crime too. So yes there is a Daniel Penny effect that is unique to this time.
@@christopher3790 Wrong! I saw an influencer interviewing people on the street about the Penny case and they pretty much could care less. I have lived in NYC and ridden the subway all hours of the day and night, the majority ignore and flee such events. You have maybe max. two people of every train who would get involved. That Penny case had no weapons, the guy threatened (I guess) but did not swing on anybody, so it was pretty easy to subdue the guy causing problems. That was an easy chokehold when the person applying it was taller than the person being choked. There is no comparison to someone burning someone verses the Penny case, where no weapon was displayed.
@@SeekerNJWC I am glad that you remember the Kitty Genevese case. It was really pushed back in the 70s.
That Mayor is a disaster. Where is his outrage about this crime?
The bystanders are accountable to
Absolutely !!!
To live in a shelter u need an id so how didnt he get flagged for being a deportee ?
Daniel Penny tried to save people and his life was destroyed.
Wow so dramatic! He's free now !🙄
@@soniap9612 Even though he's free, his life will never be the same!
I agree with you all. This is the reason why so many people are leaving New York and moving. The New York City subway have been infested by homelessness and people seeking to destroy people lives because they are beyond mental health. I am a born and raised New Yorker, they need to focus more on what brings the money into New York and that is the New York City subways. If we do not feel safe riding the subways, who’s going to make it to work to keep businesses going, work like slaves and can’t even feel safe on the subways. Instead of Only enforcing police above on the streets they need to enforce more police and security cameras on the subways, provide the transit driver with equipment and to also be properly trained for this new generation and not live in the ice ages. Life is advancing it’s time for the subway system to advance too and protect my State New York
Why would bystanders do anything? when the last guy to help the public by chocking a guy was tried for murder and a racist. What a joke that state is.
What an insult to say he’s insane. Why is it so hard to believe that some people are just diabolical and evil.
When will identity of victim released???
Amelia Carter, I’ve seen reports of her being 20 years old and some of her being 29. Obviously either way it’s a heinous crime 😔
@rileyluther8083 False. That was an AI generated image. The victim, unfortunately, has not been identified yet.
No one expects an atrocity like this. People aren't carrying blankets or fire extinguishers on them. Most witnesses were probably too stunned to respond in time.
We know why the victim's name and face aren't shown on the media.
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White?
Amelia Carter RIP
Because there is no victim,
crisis acting video and 'event'...
That only comes if the victim is of a certain tax bracket or protected racial/religious group. If the victim cannot be used for political fodder or to incite public outrage, their identity is inconsequential, apparently.
So now he will spend time in jail being fed clothed medical treatment and more. Wonderful punishment for a horrific crime. Shame on people who didnt help her.
1. New Yorkers don’t care probably the rudest oblivious people in the world
2. Whose going into a fire to catch themselves on fire
3. Do u see migrants homeless violence in the subway is on the rise the quality of life in New York is so low for high taxes high rent ✌️
Why would anyone try to stop this?
_We all saw what happened to that marine a few weeks ago._
Hopefully justice will be served
After the manner in which the State rewarded Daniel Penny for saving the people on the Subway...Few will intercede at this point.
What many people don’t know or seem to understand is that she wasn’t just standing there, passively allowing herself to burn *(re. the comments of “Stop, Drop and Roll”)* as she would have been unable to move due to the fire causing all the soft tissues to contract, which in turn causes the skin to tear and the fat and muscles to shrink from the heat. As the muscles contract from burning, this in turn causes the joints to flex. As a result, burned bodies are often contorted into what’s known as a “Pugilistic Pose” (similar to a Boxing stance). She was most likely reaching for a pole to steady herself upon standing up, and by that point it was already too late. I suspect an accelerant like lighter fuel or some such was splashed over her prior to being set alight, as while clothing etc can indeed catch alight, it’s not as easily flammable as when an accelerant is introduced. She would have instinctively tried to pat herself out, but may have inadvertently helped spread the fuel and possibly stepped in any flammable liquid that had spilled upon the floor of the carriage upon standing up. Basically speaking, I suspect that she didn’t have a chance. 😢
Also, the reason she didn’t make much noise - let alone scream for an extended period of time is due to smoke and fire inhalation, swiftly constricting her oesophageal tract and lungs, thus blocking her airway. Her body would have been overwhelmed with shock and rapidly cascading systemic failure as her nerves burned.
There are some truly awful ways to die. This is without a shadow of doubt right up there near the top.
I hope this Woman’s memory is at the very least honoured with the justice she deserves. RiP.
You people condemned Daniel Penny and promoted buffoonery that lead to this. The media kills.
This is happening in every big city with ppl who have issues that are causing problems!!!!!! And ppl have the nerve to be mad at Trump for wanting to send these ppl back.
I dont know about New York. But in England there are fire Extinguishers everywhere on our trains, could of put the flames out in seconds