It's Protest Season! with Leslie Elliott & Deborah Knox
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
- Thoughts of the current crop of cringe protestors with @theradicalcenter & Deborah Knox
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Ugh... What these students refer to as "protests" are nothing less than an excuse to express anger and betterness outward, as is the mindset of the modern day activist.
As long as they're eternally larping the 60's, why can't they just smoke weed and chill out instead, ami rite?
@@Jules-Is-a-Guy
Because they don’t have the music to go with it anymore 🍻
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@@mabusestestament 🎯
I suspect they may be using the campus protests as a means to get public attention and to give an air of legitimacy to what's to come... Socialists have said explicitly that they plan to protest and riot this summer and that is who is organizing the students. starting out on campuses makes it look like student protests run amuck when the rioting starts, which distracts ppl from seeing the riots for what they actually are.
Let's get BB up to 100k
In four season climates the spring is definitely a boiling time in all senses when you are young
Leather hat guy nailed it. Removing the federal guarantee on student loans is the most powerful step that could be taken now.
So that only the wealthy can go to college?
It’s like recess for these kids, they are the new schoolyard bullies immature and childlike
Children in adult bodies.
Can you be a real activist if the machine is on your side?
Yes. Activism doesn't actually do or mean anything.
@@sameash3153 history proves you wrong
@adamguerrero5293 no it doesn't
@@sameash3153
Yes, it does.
From the storming of the Bastille, the Boston Tea Party, to ending South African apartheid & the civil rights act, activism consistently proves it's effective if it reaches certain thresholds.
@@adamguerrero5293 Simple: those events were not as organic as you'd like to think they were. They were backed by minority factions of their respective elites. I would also add the protestant reformation.
This one already happened, time is a flat circle.
Israel is integral to the US imperial project. Why are you guys so abysmally uninformed on such a long standing subject?
I watched a protest at OSU that happened a few days ago and what they want from the protest is to be heard. Not to gain any change, just to be heard bitching.
These kids can't hold a conversation on this or possibly any subject they feel so strongly about. Asking the average protester which river and which sea is met with stupid looks.
You're asking the wrong ones then
The college degree currency has been dropped for federal employment.
And I must say, even the graduates …. are…. many of them …. simply inept … concepts wise or vocabulary wise.
You start explaining things to them, and the glassy look goes over their eyes in 30 seconds.
Yes, in the real world, at the beginning, it takes longer than TikTok to hear out what the job entails. It is exhausting 😰😰😰😰😰🥵🥵🥵🤬🤬🤬🤯
Every major is 'Revolution'
Protests becoming bigoted but mostly peaceful
Are you suggesting jews protesting are bigoted?
@@adamguerrero5293 no
@@karenwk1760 exactly, because they're not bigoted
I think that went over Karen's head... @@adamguerrero5293
Please bring interview Norman Finkelstein
Why would anyone want to be a college president at this point
I have really appreciated this channel for some years now. However, I am struggling with this conversation in that there doesn’t seem to be any expressed acknowledgment that there may be some true and thoughtful conviction held by at least some, or even a large number, of the participants in these protests. The world, through the lens of many social media platforms and of both independent and mainstream media has witnessed the death, injury, and orphaning of thousands of innocent children in this war. The United States government continues to send tax dollars, in our name, to support Israel's war against Palestinians, regardless of how it might be being waged. Is it ever ok to protest a government's complicity in an action you feel is wrong? Or are you just saying that these students are on the wrong side of what you see as a just war? I have struggled to be involved in protests and marches at times because of my discomfort with the organization, action, or language used. But I have also been inspired to act, as well, through my involvement with other protests, silent and prayerful vigils, or with lobbying efforts. Is it your belief that to be "anti-woke" means to reject, altogether, protest as a legitimate means of trying to influence change? If one thinks that our government should not authorize the use of taxpayer funds for a particular project or agenda, could not right action include thoughtful protest?
Like you, I appreciated this for its push back against Transtrender ideology. Transtrenderism is antithetical to science. But this discussion was meally mouthed pearl clutching ideology of its own, devoid of empathy & any understanding of the underlying and long history
My critique is of methods, for the most part. I don't think they are being that effective at conveying their message because of how alienating some of their actions have been.
@deborahknox2433
I am inclined to agree with you with regard to the methods and rhetoric used by many in some of these actions. However, I have also heard of many instances of there being, for example, unified actions of solidarity in which participants from Jewish, Arab and Muslim traditions are holding vigils and inviting others to support a ceasefire. Many people around the world and on our campuses are viewing the absolute horrors of war (including what took place on October 7th), and so many are deeply moved by the suffering. My discomfort in listening to individuals on this podcast, individuals I have come to respect and from whom I have learned so much, seem to be unmoved or at least unaware that such horror will, indeed, move a population of people to act in opposition, even if sometimes in less than thoughtful ways. At times, in this conversation, I feel opinions are offered in a way that reflect callousness or smugness. Perhaps a strong position of support for Israel and their waging this type of war is behind this attitude, but there certainly does not seem to be a clear expression of concern for the death and destruction that continues to befall so many thousands of innocents.
@@deborahknox2433 can you name a single movement of change that didn't alienate some group of people? Seems inevitable to me, and therefore a poor metric to gauge from.
@@thomaspaulrussell Couldn't agree more. At this time, I think the fact that a genocide is being committed is enough for me to put aside my discomforts around shouts/strong language and join these protests/do what I can to bring this to an end. I've made pamphlets and handed them around, and it's tough, I get social anxiety and sometimes I feel embarrassed. But it's a matter of perspective. People are being erradicated by the thousands, and any amount of discomfort that comes out of this kind of activism is nothing in comparison to that.
As a long time viewer, this was disappointing to listen to, albeit I haven't listened to all of it yet. I'm as critical of the woke crowds as the next rational person, but at times, the American bubble is very real. To only see the Palestinian genocide through the lens of whinging young people with no other purpose is very reductive, and shows just how consumed we've become by very first world problems (i.e. the debate of gender/race) when we're unable to zoom out and realise that there are human-rights level problems worldwide.
As the old saying goes, even a broken clock is right twice a day. I do not see young woke students who thrive under a good cause, and anti-war protest being mutually exclusive. In future history books, these protests will not fall under 'woke culture and its insanity', it will fall under 'anti-war protests of the 21st century'. These protests would have happened whether or not woke culture existed, because of the scale of the crimes. And as much as I think everyone should understand their cause to the root, I also believe witnessing a genocide is probably plenty reason to propel any young hot-blooded people to do something with their energy. Not everyone needs a doctorate in a cause, especially one as urgent as the crime of crimes. It simply goes against the grain of humanity, and that is enough for them to take a stand.
'Really low resolution potato camera quality belief'.
Yes! Community Love!
That magickal season that comes around every four years.
George feared for his job, plan and simple. Look at that and it will explain his behavior. He had no support for standing firm and saying the students and his staff that supported them were out of order.
Also, look at the break down in simple relationships over time. There are unintended consequences for all actions. If you create a separate department for Ethnic Studies, will there be results that might have negative consequences? Why wasn't ES simply part of the Sociology Department or the History department? Instead, a group broke off and created division, more bureaucracy.
Gotta get that extra credit!
Really. It's nothing short of performative and hero worship 😱.
Spoiled brats have zero agency and a warped perception of reality. 🐿
The divestment movement worked against apartheid South Africa, it will work against apartheid Israel.
The signifier vs the content is paramount. And it all rests on who (clinicians) gets paid and how (billing nightmare). Ordinary people (consumers) are beholden to their insurances. And the insurance companies rule the licensed practitioners. And the licensed practitioners have monopoly on treating our health problems (medicine, e.g.)
I do have a friend who quit the PhD program at the dissertation writing. All classes and practical hours completed, she was sick and tired of having to keep paying to the school for just being on the roster and not receiving any support for completing the dissertation work.
Does Evergreen still exist? Did it collapse or is it going on its social justice ways?
Still chugging along...
I think, 'proximity' is a helpful way to think bout protests. Is what is being asked for achievable? Is the power that the protest is directed towards immediate or close? Can the demands be affected quickly? And so on.
Divestment worked against apartheid South Africa, it will work against Israel
There was one story about helping the community they were in to help stop pollutants that was told here. We are surrounded by colleges and universities here in my community. The only thing they provided was the complaint that we were racist, homophobes but provided great dinking establishments..it would be wonderful if we can get climate activists to prove that the neighborhood is being destroyed by overdevelopment but they would rather live in the developments and drink and complain about unproven climate damage thousands of miles away. Our local park however brings on environmental students to replant native trees and foliage. That's a start.
I'm ready for this now… if you really loved your audience you'd roll this forward 98 minutes to accommodate my schedule!
I notice we rarely see a few from Aussie and Sweden any longer, as the time is like 12 hours later or something. Bummer we don't oft see them in chat, but I understand why.
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He isn’t very accommodating to you at all now is he *smh*
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Where is George Bridges? Has Evergreen gotten any better without him?
Disappointing amount of speculation in this.
Right. Pitiful ideology and "get off my lawn" talk
Yes it's called a conversation. Or a calmversation. People are allowed to speculate, it doesn't equate with being wrong.
@@MJeeEm-fg8md speculation is in good faith, these folks ain't in good faith.
It's snide, sarcastic, condescending, & adolescent
@@adamguerrero5293 Exactly. I mean, this has been a major disappointment. Behind all the "oh, we're just genuinely questioning things with an open mind, we're so tolerant and rational" façade, there's this big ball of contempt that's just impossible to miss. I can't fathom how anyone could be against these protests, given what they're trying to stop.
Like I would have thought that the people who cared so much about detransitioners would care about a massacre, but nope. Apparently that's too far removed from them.
@@bluenorth3965all they need to know is, it's a right wing government (good) doing the massacre, and it's against (Muslims) bad.
Oh, and campus protesters (bad and silly).
I've long thought these demonstrations were some form of mass-group-psychotherapy....but in the last few years they seem to have become some weird out-of-hand encounter-group...
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2:55 The thing is, in the Mid East they don't differentiate between Israel and the Js. So I'm not sure we should either. Or rather, WE should be able to because we are reasonable people, but we also need to understand what's going on on the ground is far from reasonable. These are people already willing to put their own children and people in hospitals at risk for their propaganda and their hatred.
I wouldn't expect the people of Gaza to see the world with nuance, while they're living with the boot of an oppressive military force on their necks.
But many of the international student protesters that are at Columbia do pay in full.. no ride ..
Could really just substitute a IQ/conscientiousness test for college degrees.
So if you need your appendix out, you'll go to someone with a high IQ, in lieu of a college degree?
Anomie and atomization, emile durkheim, see his book S**c*de. This was the founding work of moden sociology and it is still an accurate description. The problem with modernity was always obvious, we just didnt care
I'm surprised you three don't know durkheim, given the public discussion you are involved in. He studied why the self delete levels of Catholics and Protestants were different. Answer was social cohesion. (Norms and community.) Nothing has changed. None of this is really a mystery. We act like it is because our Overton window confines us to "fix modernity" and we go nowhere. The answer is over 2000 years old. There is nothing new about human nature. Tradition and the nuclear family. We keep thinking and talking in circles. Convert.
@@livenotbylies I'm amazed they don't know the differences between Marx & post modernism, or basics on Israel
I had been expecting reparations riots.
You must be disappointed.
Jews are resilient. They have 2000 years of history encoded in their DNA that education is their greatest form of resilience. Other minority groups might want to understand that the Jews who survived the Holocaust embraced life and survival. They didn't demand that others pay them for their pain. Instead, they put their heads down and persevered. And when MENA region Jews were expelled from their home countries in 1948, they also persevered. Their descendants are now the majority of Israel's Jewish population. What did the Palestinian Arabs do in 1948 when the UN established two states (where no state had existed before), they fought the new Israeli state. They did not do what the Jews did and build. No, they denied themselves their own internationally recognized state...and that is the path they have followed since then. To the detriment of their own people, culture, society, economy.
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Here's your ribbon Helena 🥇
No point arguing with the channel's bouncer about how "first comments" work.
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@NinjaKittyBonks
HOW ABOUT SOME NEW INFORMATION?
Your demagoguery is a long-established expectation at this point.
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For sure, I get a ding in my brain about A PERSON, even if I have known them for along time, when I suddenly see the pronouns behind their names in the Outlook at work.
And then I wonder, how would they know how I refer to that person in the third person? If I “mis-pronounce” that person? Would I be told on, and would I hear about such “microaggression”against the person who is not even present at the offensive moment in the form of “marcoaggression” from HR notifying me and starting the process of my re-education?……
You did us a DUPLICATIVE CONTENT‽ 😮
Is that what is happening? I have heard all this before.
They need do way instain mother
Why so many women..because they have veey high levels of anxiety and emotionality....they are reacting to their feelings. Anomie and loss of connection, thanks to social media and covid. Desperately seeking meaning and community. Doesn't matter what for but the more emotional the better.
Hello😊
• Ḥarakat al-Muqāwamah al-ʾIslāmiyyah, (HAMAS) = 'Islamic Resistance Movement', were buttbirthed by disgruntled Muslim Brotherhood members w/ regional attachments (1987)
• Occupoop, Occupy, CHAZ/CHOP, was buttbirthed by anarchist writer/“poet” Hakim Bey (Peter Lamborn Wilson) who wrote “T.A.Z.: The Temporary Autonomous Zone (1991)”
Likud was butthirthed by Stern Gang terrorists, who in turn buttbirthed Hamas
Also birthed with help from israel, because they preferred Hamas to the more liberal, secular PLO.
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