Why the Kansas City Stadium Vote Failed…
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Spending tax payers money to build luxury accommodations that normal taxpayers cant afford? not surprised it was voted down.
Me neither and just for the record there's been a few lame threats here and there that if the Chiefs don't get the reno they want they'll move. Don't make me laugh ! The Chiefs are going absolutely NOWHERE !!
I wonder how many people already think the Kansas City teams are in Kansas. After all, Kansas is in their name. The bluff probably makes no sense to many people.
Kudos to them for voting it down. But a lot of cities have voted in favor of similar situations.
@matttim5095then maybe those 70,000 should pay for it.
Recently, the Virginia State House voted down the proposal to build a $5 billion arena for the Washington Wizards & Mystics basketball team because the people in the proposed area didn't want it, embarrassing both the team owner & the Virginia governor.
If taxpayers pay for the stadium, admission should be free for the taxpayers
Just like it is for your event and civic centers, like it is for your airports, military instillations and every other thing funded by taxpayers.
All we got was first dibs on overpriced season tickets.
I really resented the Chiefs robo-calls with their message of "you own it, you need to ante up". If i own it, i expect you guys to vacate the field when i wanna do an after-work pick-up game.
I live here and voted NO. In 2023 the county reassessed everyone's property and raised taxes 100-400 % ! These teams had the audacity to ask for money when we are all struggling to get by.
Same and same. Screw them. They can afford to write the check and send it to who they need to. Let em. And if they don’t, they don’t.
People laugh at California (and rightly so sometimes) but we have a Proposition system where propositions get put on the ballot and if approved get voted into law. In the late 70s Proposition 13 was passed and it caps how much property taxes can be raised year to year - the cap is 2% if memory serves. n Every now and again greedy cash junkie politicians try and overturn it but the people are just smart enough to see through it and have maintained it.
The Hunt Family has more than enough money to upgrade the Stadium themselves, to ask for taxpayer dollars when your family is worth $24.8 billion dollars according to Forbes is just straight out slap in the Face to their loyal fans. Ridiculous Hunt Family.
Well, the Hunt Family doesn't own the stadium. The city owns the stadium, so the Hunt Family probably shouldn't be paying for upgrades if they don't own the stadium. Why does the city even need to own it?
@@loganleroy8622 Doesn't matter they are asking the city for 800mil and the Family is worth $24 billion, Please way to go Citizens of KC.
@@jorgecgonzalez9976 I'm totally fine with the owners having to pay for upgrades to the stadium and not pushing it on the taxpayers, but the owners should then get to own the stadium, no? Also just because someone is "worth $24B" that doesn't mean they just have $24B lying around to spend. Most of the wealth is tied up in physical assets.
Net worth doesn't equal liquid cash/assets; however, the NFL owners more likely than not have the liquid cash to pony up for the upgrades they desire rather than try to make the city, county, or state foot the bill.
And Clark Khunt doesn’t even live in the KC community. Telling us to continue with the tax until 2071, meanwhile he lives in Dallas.
People are tired of being taxed for spoiled millionaires. I’ll admit that when I was younger I was all for it.
The voters of Kansas City should be commended.
spoiled *Billionaires*
These corporate subsidies need to stop.
Not a shock. There's no reason to get rid of the K at the taxpayers expense. I love the K and I live in Minnesota...
If Wrigley and Fenway can last 100 years so can Kauffman.
@@boogitybear2283not the same thing for the football field
Minneapolis here, but grew up in Omaha, with many family weekend trips to KC, so I still feel invested. I don't care about sports AT ALL, but glad this turned out the way it did because I'm a huge architecture fan & this football field is an outstanding, rare example of Mid-Cebtury Modern architecture.
@@boogitybear2283 Wrigley and Fenway are in urban neighborhoods. If they were in a location like Kauffman, they would be long gone by now.
@@boogitybear2283 Kauffman is so beautiful. Old yes. And the location isn't ideal. But, it's a jewel IMO.
I'm glad it failed. Downtown real estate is way too precious to devote to an already existing team just a short drive away.
The Hunt family is worth $25billion. The $800mil renovations are just 3% of that.
IF it was for a football stadium, the vote would be unanimous! They'd start construction next week!
Taxpayers should not be supporting sports facilities with billionaire owners and players making sometimes hundreds of millions of dollars.
Crony capatalism. Let the free market decide stadiums and salaries not taxpayers.
The Royals are NOT owned by a billionaire! It's Kansas City!
Tax payers are tired of getting fleeced by rich sports teams.
Most sports fans in Kansas City are happy with the current stadiums for the Royals & Chiefs. The Royals & Chiefs might just stay in the current location.
I think the Chiefs will ultimately stay but the Royals have made it clear they're moving downtown regardless. Something will get worked out.
@@Superpatchcat Think about what you said. The billionaire class wants their way and they will have their way no matter what the democratic vote says. So the will of 100's of 1000's of people in Jackson Country doesn't mean shit if 1 billionaire wants their money to pay his bills. So much for democracy and we have the nerve to call the Russians and Chinese oligarchs.
Why in the world are taxpayers expected to pay for a stadium for millionaires to play for billionaires and charge the “people” extremely expensive prices.
Taxpayers should never pay for stadiums.
At the turn of the century, we voted against stadiums and arena public funding… Twice! We got two stadiums (PNC and Heinz Field) and two arenas (Consol and Peterson Events). Politicians don’t care about people, only their legacy.
No more public money for stadiums. Especially with how expensive it’s gotten for attending and how much they overrate the benefits to the local economy. Stadiums can exist for a lot longer than owners pretend they can, they don’t need replacing every 20 years or so. Kauffman is over 50 and it’s still extremely nice and the fans like it.
As someone from the Kansas City area, there are a few reasons that really resonate with me. They didn't really have a plan except to put it in an area that is already congested, and full of business that is just ramping up after the area was in a big slump. The parking down there would have been just terrible if there were more than one event. Also, the perceived threat is just something that most people in the area don't believe. Kansas vs. Missouri is not as big of thing as it once was, we have the T-Bones and Sporting KC and they do simply fine in KCK.
OH!
this big this. No plan for any improvements for the common man getting into and out of downtown. Sure we get the streetcar but thats a joke toy. This just had bully and ram rod tactics all over it to me. And the chiefs renovations were all just for the rich man too. LIke great more expensive seats that take away the experience from the person trying to hang out with fellow fan's.
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The Royals don't need a new stadium. Kauffman was always one of my favorites because of its beauty.
Because taxpayer money shouldn't be used to support billionaire owners sports stadiums.
What are the Chiefs going to do???
Move
As in out of the Kansas City area.
Well they don't own the stadium, the city owns the stadium. Also if they move they'll just move to Kansas.
I live here in Jackson County and I eod love a new stadium here even if it's downtown but don't try and tax us for it. Spend your own money
Being a KC resident, your explanations are right on target.
Felt like blackmail. Pay once and it will never stop. If the owners don’t appreciate the fans then who needs them.
No surprise. In 2024, people are sick of giving billionaires hand outs, with all profits going to the billionaires and not the people footing the bill. All of these guys can build their own stadiums
That's privatising the profits while you socialize the risks. It's the same attitude behind bank bailouts and corporate bailouts that ultimately its the taxpayers responsibility to ensure the wealth and opulent lifestyle of some of the richest people in the world.
Kauffman and arrowhead are top 10 stadiums as is. Great historic venues.
Billionaires spending your money to enrich themselves.
Oh people definitely care if the stadiums move to Kansas. All we wanted was a solid plan and for them to come to the table with an honest deal and not get greedy. The people own the stadiums so you better have a damn good plan if you want us to ditch them for a new one
No. We don't. Kansas can subsidize them for 40 years. We've got bigger problems here in Jackson County
The biggest problem was they were sharing the tax yet the Royals by moving downtown were decoupling themselves from the Chiefs so a lot of people didn’t like that. It was one thing to pay when BOTH were at the Truman Sports Complex but once the Royals decided to go downtown that made them sharing the money a sore point. Another problem was they’re RUSHED it. There was NO REASON they couldn’t take there time and had put it on the August ballot. And being rushed they didn’t negotiate right and didn’t planned quickly enough.
Exactly
Exactly mate
With all the success the Chiefs have had, surely they have money to pay for renovations
they do
Yep, Clark Family is one of the richest owners in the NFL.
Always enjoy the content, thank you for your work!
I'm in Cleveland today n tomorrow to visit progressive field... I went and looked at the old walkway over the tracks to the football stadium that I saw in your videos.. It seems like a relic from a different time but probably did help people flow. Thanks for the videos.
Wish I could have saw the eclipse
They have the money without using taxpayers money. Then they can have to hire a contractor for the stadiums and do the remodeling themselves without using the taxpayers money.
Baseball is loaded with millionaires... wtf should I subsidize a private business with tax money. Besides Kauffman is in a great location!!!!!! Easy in easy out and on I-70 in no time flat.
When the Reds and Bengals passed their stadium referendum back in the mid-90s, Hamilton County got stuck with the bill that they're still paying off. The amount money the loan repayments took up had been crippling to the County's finances until they finally managed to refinance the thing several years ago. If your voters pay any sort of attention to the impact that paying off loans and whatnot can have, especially in an era of higher interest rates, your community will take a hard pass on public financing. The money that could go to schools, fire and police departments, road repairs, etc. will instead be sucked away by the sports venues.
Other reasons the vote failed :
1. More people have figured out that spending 100's of millions and billions of taxpayer cash on sports stadiums is a bad deal for all but involved elites. And 2. Chiefs officials, including their team President, all but called out potential voters prior to them casting. Which is a terrible and arrogant idea.
They'll be back. KC without the KC Chiefs would just be weird. We're well past that Dallas Texans era.
It's about time tax payers not being SUCKERS for the wealthy. I hope people in Nevada wake the fuck up and tell the Oakland Athletics to take a hike! NO MORE CORPORATE WELFARE FOR BILLIONAIRES!!!!
The people in Nevada don't get a say, it's all politicians spending someone else's money.
The roads and bridges in KC are in horrible shape. They need the money.
PEOPLE DONT HAVE MONEY 💵 in these DARK TIMES 🔥🥃‼️
PAY 💰 ENOUGH TAXES
I’m still mad at the fact both Turner Field and the Georgia Dome were replaced.
to think turner field was specifically built and renovated to prevent Olympic stadium in Montreal and it only lasted 19 years
This was a well-researched video. I have a hard time believing that continuing a 3/8 sales tax was going to be enough to get the job done. Usually, these cities get hoodwinked into paying millions more and for many more years than expected to see these stadium projects through. It just seemed to good to be true. The biggest problem is that people love the K the way it is.
Only place in society where asking the less fortunate to flip the bill for the more fortunate to become even more fortunate is acceptable. Rest his soul Joe Robbie in 1987 built the current Hard Rock Stadium here in Miami with his money when all owners were robbing their cities or other cities in the case of the Browns moving to Baltimore, Colts moving to Indianapolis before that... Etc... RIP Joe Robbie you legend!
Because billionaires benefit from tax dollars but still over charge us for parking, tickets, hotdogs, drinks, etc
Everybody wants to “pay the players” whatever they ask then cant even afford to go to the games themselves
I voted no. The Royals owner was asking voters to tear down a perfectly good, beautiful stadium and build a new one in a congested area with no parking. This would allow him to develop the area around the stadium and make more money. Does this sound like a good reason to keep paying a tax for the next 40 years?
I, as a St. Louie, am very grateful that KC’s stadium ballot got denied. If approved, KC would ask MO state tax dollars - including STL - to pony up a $700M gap. STL “IS NOT” KC’s financial slave after STL did their best with their $1.1B NFL riverfront stadium to keep the NFL LAMBS, but they moved in 2016 regardless (voted to move by Chiefs owner Clark Hunt). I suggest that KC owners should pay for it themselves, or take their teams & be gone. Tax payers should not be involved in stadium spending for rich snobs just to see them play for glory.
I learned SLC, UT “already” approved their MLB DT ballpark in their Power District. If Royals owner John Sherman preferred a DT ballpark over the county & KC can’t afford it, then he should check that city out. If it meets his desire, then this is it for the Royals. Could face the same fate as the Athletics, moving to LV. Remember, it’s the billionaires, not the fans. STL felt the same way after that rich crook - who denied the NFL bylaws to get whatever he wants - moved his team to his Taj Mahal stadium in LA (despite that $790M settlement). I’m afraid it might happen to the Royals, because I can tell Sherman would refuse to pay more than 50% of stadium spending in DTKC, neither would he return to Kauffman. Besides, Hunt wants the K demolished for his renovation for Arrowhead. And Royals’ move to either DTKC, SLC, or other is the only solution to Hunt’s desire. If not, then he too could move the Chiefs somewhere else.
because the vote was left to the people rather than the state or city governments.
But the reason why this failed is because of the Royals. The Royals had decided they wanted to put the stadium at The Crossroads, which is an arts district. In order to do so, they’d have to knock down a bunch of businesses and no one was in support of that.
Also, they aren’t in the burbs. They’re considered to be in KC.
Losing either or both teams would be a hit for Missouri. But the economic loss of them moving to a KC suburb like Overland Park doesn’t outweigh displacing the amount of businesses they were playing to get rid of. Or at least it doesn’t make sense to uproot all of those businesses, even though Missouri would lose money.
If they wanted to put a new Royals stadium 🏟 in downtown KCMO then they should put it where all the unused parking lots are at so that way it can downtown while not destroying all the unique buildings and neighborhoods in Downtown Kansas City Missouri and still stays in Missouri as well.
These teams are making billions of $$$. If they want a new house to play in, do what everyone else has to do. Get a loan and pay the mortgage. Many people aren’t aware, if no one showed up to watch a game, the owners would still make a profit. That’s all sports but the NHL. Rich people crying poor is getting old.
Why aren’t these taxpayer funded options structured as loans? Referendums might pass if the club is forced to pay back with interest any tax money thats used.
Concrete, lol.
Pun intended!
wasnt even a tax hike, a yes vote would have kept things the way they are. no vote lowers taxes. they both thought it was a no brainer since the chiefs just won a super bowl
One reason you did not mention is that quite a few of us are perfectly happy with Kauffman Stadium. Even though it is the fifth oldest MLB stadium (and will move up to fourth as soon as the Athletics transfer to Vegas), it is still one of the best places to watch a game, it has plenty of parking, and its location at the intersection of two major highways [I-70 and I-435] makes it easy to get to from all parts of the metro (which would most definitely NOT be true about a downtown stadium).
The biggest reason is residents of eastern Jackson county are absolutely scared to death of ever going downtown. It's why they live out there.
As a San Diego Charger fan who voted for that stadium. Thanks for bring up an old wound❤️🩹
How well do you think the Chargers would do fan wise if the moved back to San Diego in a stadium with normal
NFL capacity?
@@someperson3883 They won’t move back and Im okay with that now. The chargers just spent $300 million on a brand new state of the art headquarters and practice facility in LA, they ain’t leaving lol. Im still a fan and go to games in LA but a lot of people have completely abandoned them in SD.
@@ll4680 Makes sense
@@ll4680 I think that it was really stupid for Dan Spanos to move the Chargers out of San Diego to LA where he couldn't use his money to build a new stadium
Hi, Eastern Jackson County voter here. Royals don’t give us a consistent product outside of 90+ loss seasons and the Chiefs make more than enough on overpriced parking (on a taxpayer-owned parking lot), ticket sales, and the money they already get from the last tax.
Not a tax payer dime should go to any professional team stadium or facilities
Hunt family is worth $26 Billion. They can pay for it themselves.
Great Video! Thank you. I live in St Louis... how does the St Louis Kansas City Chiefs sound to ya?
St Louis lost two NFL teams. Does St Louis really wants a third try at the NFL? Still I believe the Chiefs & Royals stay in their current location in Kansas City.
@@amazingeric97 it was.... a joke
You could have the St Kansas Chiefs or Louis City or Missouri Chiefs?
I’m still waiting for the Jaguars to move to St.Louis. Jacksonville sucks most overrated city. Hell, Florida sucks.
Solid video!
My mother lives in KC. She AND my uncle both voted no.
I have a dozen or so friends in KC. Not a single one voted yes. Even the fans said no. We are entering an era where people are done lining billionaire pockets.
I’m a very vocal voter in Jackson county and there are many reasons for why we voted no. I actually live across the street from the stadiums.
1. John Sherman lost all credibility the moment he mentioned concrete cancer. A bold faced lie that was brought on by Populous who did the renovations and was a major player in a new stadium where they stood to profit. It was later found that another firm that stood nothint to gain found nothing wrong with the concrete and this was just a ploy to get this on a ballot, something it had no business being on.
2. We saw this con for what it is. The fact that this was vetoed and there were 2 voters who spoke out against this deal for over a year, suddenly changed their vote in favor of the deal literally overnight. We did not like that.
3. We gave these teams everything they wanted for 50 years and then they threatened us with relocation unless we gave them billions of dollars for 40 years. We waited to vote to show them that we did not appreciate that.
4. The Chiefs clearly had no plan and certainly not a plan that required 40 years of free tax money. No.
5. The Royals have given us 4 years of competitive baseball over parts of 4 decades and we would have voted this down either way but we did not believe Sherman would suddenly be higher than 25th-20th in payroll.
6. Crucial information needed to vote on was missing and they were desperate to vote on a 40 year binding commitment for the county but the details about what the teams were bound to were missing and they side stepped these details from day 1.
There are other reasons as well but Sherman has lost all credibility and tried to scam us and we will not pass anything he is a part of. Having his entitled wife go on Facebook and tell the world the royals or chiefs won’t work w Jackson County in the future isn’t helping their cause. At this point we want the Royals to leave and see how other counties who have watched us pay for their entertainment for decades deal with Sherman, a man who clearly does not act in good faith. Nobody here will miss giving that team money in the future.
In 2012 it was found that both the chiefs and royals were only using 16% of the annual money we gave them for the renovations they asked for on renovations. The rest was used on their own private business expenditures, like their own payroll taxes.
Think about it this way. How many people would like to be forced to pay for someone’s go fund me account so an already wealthy family can more easily afford travel and food expenses during their child’s travel baseball season?
Don't give billionaires tax funding!
Las Vegas Athletics??? Are you serious??? Let the Vegas taxpayers decide!!!
Kansas City actually stradles the stateline (and there is a street named stateline that actually is the state line between MO and KS.). KCMO and KCK are 2 separate cities that if you didn't know, you'd never realized you went from one to the other. And yeah, I don't think the fans give a damn which side of the line you're on. I have friends there andthe truman sports complex is not that far away from where they live in KCK... I also agree, it just appears that teams are spending money to just spend someone else's money... another factor.. SoFi stadium.. built with 100% private funding.. in LA... if it can be done there, it can be done everywhere.
Missouri taxpayers have already shelled out a chunk of change 20 years ago when the crybaby St. Louis Cardinals tore down a perfectly good stadium to build a smaller stadium along with higher ticket prices and elimination of the cheap seat section of the old stadium. After the Cardinalls got their $480 million gift another $250 million got doled out to the Chiefs/Royals to make them feel better.
Sports is just sport. Circus and bread. We have to start focusing on what counts. Our national debt is out of control, we have severe inflation, people can't afford housing, etc. Not to mention their are finally realizing that they voted for a lot of sales tax increases and it's time for them to come down. Finally...Kansas City is leading the way for the nation to start lowering taxes.
3/8th of cent can really add up, my little city of 8,000 collects 2 cents on taxable sales collects $1 million a month which is unreal to me
Lack of stadium plans for Oakland-Nevada "A" and SW Florida Rays is showing the public taxpayers' attitudes for subsidizing billionaire owners and millionaire players is waning.
There are relatively few metro areas left that have the appetite and economic dynamism to support a(nother) NFL or MLB team so the bluff to move to Nashville or San Antonio is getting called.
Jackson Co Missouri taxpayers are also sick of paying extra taxes for attractions, that Johnson Co Kansas residents come over and enjoy for free. Same thing happens in STL with all the east side losers coming over from Illinois.
Both KC teams stadiums have plenty of room to build an entire new stadium if they actually needed it. On their current site.
The bulk of the cost of the Arrowhead reno was a causeway bridge connecting the upper half and heating on that.
Idk about that, there were a large number or elements to it, enclosed concourses, large luxury area etc, a pedestrian bridge like that cost 200 mil at most imo and thats on the high side
It is messed up how the taxpayers have to foot the bill for billionaires and we do not get anything back except higher taxes and awful traffic on game days. I laughed when Virginias governors deal with the Caps and Wizards went bust. That would have been 5 billion to the taxpayers and how many of them would even get to go to games. You want a new palace to your ego you foot the bill for it
If Kansas is dumb enough to throw $1.5 billion at the Chiefs for a domed stadium, more power to them..The Royals might find a local city willing to spend some money on them out of pity. If they'd actually win, they might be more attractive. I remember when they won the World Series, that shows how old I am. Misty water colored memories...
Can't believe 2015 was 50 years ago man
They'll just take the tax revenue from sports gambling and throw it at the Chiefs. That would be more than enough for most people just to one up the people of Missouri.
Add: KC's been on stadium-building spree. What is now SPRINT Arena was started while the city was paying off the American Royal, Then there was the Bi-State II taxation disaster. Then the urgent need for a soccer arena. Whatever other schemes
Why? Because tax payers don't want to foot the bill that millionaires and billionaires should be paying.
3:11 good point about these schemes getting rejected at the ballot box. The 9ers got cheap development loans from the city of Santa Clara by essentially bribing council members. Ditto for the Raiders and Clark County, NV, and the A's and the Nevada legislature.
At least in the case of the Raiders, there was decent public support for funding the move in Vegas.
Opinions are like noses, everyone has them. Your reasons are solid; howeve, I remembered an old bur true axiom-" If youvare not part of the solution, you are part of the problem". How true.
Do many professionals and amateurs are very quick to point out the problems, but I have only seen a few with suggestions to improve the situation or solve the problems.
Again, I hope cooler heads prevail and both teams remain in Kansas City, a good place to live and raise a family if you are willing to be a patt of a joint effort.😊
This is spot on. I hate to say it but if they came back with a better pan, which is unlikely, people would find new issues to shake their fist at. And just like you said, nobody could actually say what was wrong with the plan other than it would have displaced a few small businesses. Nobody cared about the Crossroads until a month ago but people have watched these teams for generations. I think it's obvious what the bigger loss would be and which would be harder to replace. But apparently everyone in KC is now a small art gallery loving hipster who spends their weekends drinking IPAs in the Crossroads.
Things sucking for the average person and people wonder why they did not vote to extend a tax that only benefits a billionaire? Some folks are waking up to the fact that if your team is in a hot market, you can say no to public money going to it and the billionaire owners will foot the bill. Los Angeles is a good example of this in regards to SoFi stadium.
As one of the voters here, I will say that a very large number of people including myself viewed this as a referendum on the proposed new location for a Royals stadium. The proposed new location is an absolutely terrible one for a ballpark. I think they could've succeeded if they'd said they wanted a new stadium in the same location/area. The proposed new location is an absolutely horrible choice in every way.
I've never heard anyone opposed to the Arrowhead/GEHA stadium upgrades.
I'm a Royals and Chiefs fan. I didn't want a new baseball stadium, The Kay is important to us, and the Chiefs renovation was a equally lousy plan. Because of this we may loose both our teams.
Not here in Arlington, Texas. The sheep voted to continue a sales tax that was supposed to be retired after paying off the Cowboys Stadium. But they marketed it as no "new" taxes. It was a lie. It was a new tax. A tax that benefited the wealthy billionaire owners. Sure Arlington gets a lot of sales tax from visitors to their stadiums/Six Flags. Guess who pays that sales tax every day? Us residents here in Arlington. Then the new stadium looks like a Home Depot. The owners are capitalists all the way, but have no problem dipping into the trough of corporate welfare. You can't make this stuff up!
Also kc is in both states We were angry about paying for it and did not want to change the crossroads art district
I pray that the KC Stadiums NEVER move. The location is PERFECT.
Easy on and off I-70 - near the Airport and best of all you can get the F out / on your way easily.
A lot of people complain about it online but its dumb. Theyre the New York CITY Giants and Jets, not New York STATE, and East Rutherford is a suburb of NYC, cities can have suburbs in neighboring states
Why couldn't they build the stadium IN New York STATE instead of New Jersey?
@@kingmo8789 NYC just didn't have the space for it. nYC does have some suburbs in upstate NY and Long Island(also in New York), but that may not be as central of a location, and again, they're all suburbs of NYC no matter the state they're in
I don't understand why teams want to move back in to city centers. They moved to the outskirts years ago for a reason. Get away from cramped areas and traffic.
Food/sales taxes are unnecessarily hard on the poor.
There is no parking anywhere near where the Royals wanted to build the stadium. Given that an average ticket to a Chiefs game is over $400 these days, they can spend their own money to fix Arrowhead. The Hunt family has already threatened to move, and that would be horrible for the Chiefs. The only places the Chiefs could move to would be Austin or San Antonio, the only other large city without a team is San Diego, and they just voted down a stadium for the Chargers a few years ago.
Who cares if teams move anymore. Television is the NFL's best customer. Only 70 or 80,000 can see the game live, millions more on TV. Start times are determined and changed by TV. Local allegiances are becoming a thing of the past. 200 million taxpayers in the metro area are expected to pay for a stadium that only 75,000 can use. Let ESPN pay for it.
Heres an idea. Get the multi billionaire Hunt Family to pay for it
Common sense here. These are tough inflation times. The average guy cannot afford to go to these games. Here is a business owned by a billionaire employing millionaire employees. I think it's insensitive timing for them to ask during tough times.
Didn't the taxpayers of Jackson County pay for arrowhead and royals stadium in the early 70's there is not a lot of people around to ask that remember
Because people that make thousands, do not want to pay for a stadium that millionaires play in and a billionaire owns. I know the Hunt family does not own the stadium but you get the point.
At the end of the day, it isn't that the people of Kansas City don't want to pay for their stadium, or that we haven't already been paying basically the same tax already. The issues are that in the current economic climate, especially in Kansas City/Jackson County, the common person cannot afford to keep paying it AND still be okay financially (both now and over the next 20-ish years the tax was extended for) because the common person in KC is struggling right now and it doesn't look like its going to get exceedingly better before the tax extension is done.
Whereas, the almost $25 BILLION Hunt family could finance the entire (mostly luxury-end) renovation and would probably have their money fully back withing, generously, a single decade at most? THAT'S why the people said "No".
You will hear those in favor of the move cite various reasons why it didn't pass, the main reason was the overall lack of transparency of the deal. (The no new taxes part isn't completely true.)
I could not believe that the new Yankees stadium was heavily taxpayer funded!! Where in the hell would the Yankees move to!! The same holds true for the Mets new stadium!!
Let the rich pay for their own shit. Billions in sports and the greedy lowlifes want working peoples money. Sick of it and happy to see it fail. Back in the day the mayor of Houston told the Oilers if they wanted a new stadium, they would pay so they left and went to Nashville. Everybody complained and voted the mayor out. Now 20 some years later everybody sees he was right. Let them pay for their own stadiums.
Well, the reason why it’s a big deal why the Chiefs moving to Kansas is such a big deal is because Missouri would lose their part in the sports revenue by the NFL for housing Arrowhead, and all that money would go to Kansas instead.
It failed because no one wants to pay for a new and completely unnecessary MLB stadium. Kaufman is a beautiful ball park. Arrowhead does need a face lift. Jackson county needs to come back with a solid counter proposal and plan to develop that parking area, and give Arrowhead an upgrade, or sell both stadiums to the owners and let them pay for everything.
Ask St. Louis how they like paying for an empty NFL stadium.
The upgrades mean nothing to those who can't afford to use them, so skip that. The most upsetting to me is the care of the players. Hunt is all butt hurt about the dismal grade he received then rolls all of it into one ball to piggyback with Kaufman and wonders why it won't pass.
Used to go to 2-3 games a season. Got a new stadium, we can only afford preseason games. New stadiums are made for the 5% paid by the 95.
The points in this video were valid and well presented. I never thought this would pass.