I got some miles on my 25 xterrain 850 turbo, idk how a sled could be any better than it is. Absolute missile, brilliant handling, rides great, can definitely feel the softer initial shock valving on the front end. Hopefully st rides one this year
I was down by the Twin Cities this week talking to the dealers. If they don't get snow soon they will be sitting on 24 model year sleds for another year as well as 25s
I live in the twin cities. I’ve been out of snowmobiling for about 10 years. One doo dealer here has some amazing discounts on new sleds. I might pull the trigger if the prices keep coming down.
From a guy running the 24 Assault - I wish the stance was narrower. It's super capable in deep snow, headlight deep, but it can't hold an edge to save its life. 42.5 inch skis is ridiculous for a Crossover. It's not really a mountain skid either, with extra bogey wheels and a wider skid. Yes it's un-coupled but that's about it. It carves good but only in deep powder when there's forgiveness in terrain, otherwise it wants to slam that front end down and stay planted. The skis fight you in a carve and you can visibly see the rider fighting the bars. If you're a trail guy the assault is amazing. If you plan on hills, get a Khaos 146 with the 2.0 track.
@@kwmiked at least one of them raced snow cross. I met a guy on the trails who told me how to set up my front suspension on my 2006 Yamaha Attack .. night and day better handling with less pre-load on the front springs. It's rate that I ever run into anyone who can keep up with me on the trails. Then My 10" Simmons ski dug into the top of a culver and bent my A-arms and Spindle .. I think it was Mountain Performance only had the 1.5" wider A-Arms so now my sled has a 3" wider stance and 10" wide skies.. I think they A-arms are chrome molly too. Also bent a shock badly when the plastic ski dug into the top of the Culvert. so went with Fox Air shocks .
Another great review. Look forward to some long pulls across a lake against one another. Be cool if all the boosted sleds were involved & some break-in was incl. The 998 always whips a little stronger after 1500 km’s on the odo. Can’t help but notice the predominately 2 manufacturer exposure this year. For obvious reasons but still not the way we wish it were.
I have a 2016 Renegade 800.. It only has 800 miles on it. Never get any snow in SW Michigan .. Anyway I had not really noticed how bad it vibrates at an idle until SnowTrax mentioned it when Skidoo make the upgrade. My other sled is a 2006 Yamaha Attack .. now that 4 cylinder is smooth .
@@snowtrax I Spoke with my friend near Trout Creek he said not much snow. There are areas that get way more Lake Effect snow. I live near Kalamazoo MI Not much snow here, but go 20 miles West Closer to Lake MI and they get three times more snow from there to the Lake .
Where are you guys in this video. We are based out of St. Germain, WI and there isn't any snow here. We would love to trailer into CA or anywhere for that matter to get on the snow in this video. Pls advise.
@@snowtrax I was a Skibum @ Alta UT in 1983. They average 500" of snow per year of really light powder. In '83 they got 720 inches of snow 60 feet. They told me they don't ride snowmobiles in the Wasatch they just get stuck. It was about then that guys started custom building long Track sleds for riding in the Powder in the Mountains. Mountain sleds have come a long way in recent years. I have done a lot of extreme skiing in the steep and deep but have never ridden a sled in the Mountains with exception of a half day rental near Whistler. I got yelled at for riding too fast in the first 15 minutes. I was lagging way back in last place then would speed up . I got in trouble for going off the groomed trail . We did get to ride on a open meadow or Lake with Deep Snow.. The Guide was showing me how to stand up to corner in the powder, but my legs were so burned up I could hardly walk so I just sat on the seat most of the time. It only took about 3 days for my legs to recover, but I was back in Michigan by then. It used to take me 30 days of skiing to get my legs in great shape to ski hard core moguls and powder for the next two months. Did that for 3 winters instead of college.. Then became self employed .. Blew out my knee the last year and my knee brace would wear my calf raw after 1 days of skiing . A few years later I got a good comfortable CTI brace. I duct tape it over my ski pants and am good to go. Have worn it snowmobiling too.
Good video guys. Thanks for going over the offer trail performance. I like both sleds but will be off trail more most likely as I leave from home more to go snowmobiling and usually have to make my own trails or go onto trails that are not groomed and barely anyone goes on. I am springchecking the Backcountry. Do you think the 43” front end will do well in 3 feet of powder on old mining and logging roads?
I think you're going to sacrifice a little bit in the deep stuff to get that better on-trail handling, but I think you'll still have a great time playing in the powder. Note that the 43 is also geared taller for trail riding and the 39 is geared lower for off-trail.
You buy a new sled, next year you want to renew. You eat $10k on the resale of a one year old sled!! It’s disgusting, but so is a carton of eggs at $4.00!!
I rented 4# of these vr1 650 in yellowstone last year for 10 days . Good power for what it was. it was a warm sled and handled good, hand warmers I had to program them. hard to do on the fly. My wife and kid had cold hands most of the trip ran them all the way up to the max heat still was not good enough . She found it hard to program . last day I rented a couple of Ski doo's they had one switch for low med heigh so much better. 4 strokes were buttery smother also. Real word testing no bull , Ive owned every brand.
Correct. We realized shortly after posting that it was actually missing the first 5 minutes, s o we pulled it down to fix it but we had other videos in the schedule. we intend to re-post it soon.
Hello just getting into the Sport. Looking to mostly go up to Tug hill area. Im looking at a used Snowmobile to start. 2015 Polaris 800 switchback pro -s its services at a local shop in my home town. Would this be a Good snowmobile to start with. The price seams inline what i see out there. And my budget again im a Rookie to this. Thank.
@@thomasthompson4999 sleds are sleds. They can all suck😂. I ride cat I’ve had great luck. My buddy’s ride doo and poo and they have had great luck as well. We all ride 600 cc sleds though. Recommendation is buy what you want and do the basic maintenance every year. Then ride!
Just make sure the mileage is low. If it has over 5000 miles, it might be ready for some maintenance or a rebuild. Ask your dealer if the 800 got re-flashed. I think that fixed a lot of the issues it originally had. Lots of great insight on this thread. I'm positive the people in this community will help with some solid advice.
I just had a thought that both made me said and Laugh about you Communists in the Great White North. I was thinking the speed limit is very low. I did a search that told me the speed limit in Ontario is 50 KPH.. What a Joke.. Why spend Over $20,000.00 on a sled that you can't even run half throttle. If we ever get snow in SW Michigan .. I can hit 100 MPH on some of the straight aways across corn fields. I like to be a bit more conservative when I am near trees. Speed limits. The maximum speed limit on snowmobile trails is 50 km/h, but conditions often require a slower speed. Adjust your speed to the weather and trail conditions. Alongside roads, speed limits for snowmobiles are not the same as the posted speed limits for other vehicles. Here are the limits for different paths and areas. I guess I can triple the speed limit of Ontario and go at least 162 KPH My 2006 Yamaha Attack was reading 129 MPH on the Dreamometer that was 116 MPH on GPS and my 2014 Skidoo Renegade 800 hits the Rev Limiter at 108 MPH on GPS.. I did not know what on earth was wrong with it spitting and sputtering and cutting out. Then I got prescription glasses with bi-focals so I can read the gauges and see the overspeed warning.
@@snowtrax If you don't know how Socialist you are you have not been paying attention. The USA is not a Capitalist Country anymore, It's Cronie Capitalism. The Global Bankers, Big Pharma, Military Industrial Complex and the Health Insurance Industry own Congress, the Senate and the President. General Motors and Chrysler got Bail Outs. Seems I heard that the Canadian Tax Payers gave $500 Million to Bombardier. The American Tax payers have given $2 Billion to Tesla. Your Car Insurance rates and required snowmobile Insurance ect are Absorbent & abhorrent. I carry a loaded handgun with me in the USA, try that in Canada. There are a few Communist States in the USA that I can't do it either. The Forrest Fires are planned through mismanagement too . Canada has many good snowmobile Trails but the cost of all of the Permits and Insurance is ridiculous. I don't want to spend all of that money just to get a ticket for riding over 50 KPH. Plus I let my Passport Expire in 2020, because I never got the Experimental Clot Shot that causes Super Cancer. Most batches were inert but others were deadly .
Yup, you know as well as we do that the term "motor" has been used synonimously with engines since the ICE was invented. We sometimes call ATVs bikes when we do reviews on DIRT TRAX, but you guys still know what we're talking about. Every now and again we're gonna say motor so I hope you guys can live with it. 👍
It's rough to not see Yamaha's sponsorship not be front and center of these videos. Thanks as always for the content!
Best part of my winter, right after sledding, is the snowtrax videos!!! 🔥
Appreciate that!!
I always feel like I’m watching a Polaris commercial
Why?
Why
I think the Lynx Xterrain would be a better opponent for the Polaris than the Backcountry
Rip 998, one of the greatest if not the greatest sled engines ever made.
Yep i would run amsoil interceptor in it if i get one used.
And now it's time for the Lynx Rave RE turboR😏
I got some miles on my 25 xterrain 850 turbo, idk how a sled could be any better than it is. Absolute missile, brilliant handling, rides great, can definitely feel the softer initial shock valving on the front end. Hopefully st rides one this year
I was down by the Twin Cities this week talking to the dealers. If they don't get snow soon they will be sitting on 24 model year sleds for another year as well as 25s
It is the magic ingredient.
I live in the twin cities. I’ve been out of snowmobiling for about 10 years. One doo dealer here has some amazing discounts on new sleds. I might pull the trigger if the prices keep coming down.
We just got a 25 flatland 9R you guys are right it is absolutely the greatest sled we've ever in
The polaris just looks more stable. Razor crisp handling is what we say!
As long as they dont end up like john deere dynamix sounds good if we can service it are self
From a guy running the 24 Assault - I wish the stance was narrower. It's super capable in deep snow, headlight deep, but it can't hold an edge to save its life. 42.5 inch skis is ridiculous for a Crossover. It's not really a mountain skid either, with extra bogey wheels and a wider skid. Yes it's un-coupled but that's about it. It carves good but only in deep powder when there's forgiveness in terrain, otherwise it wants to slam that front end down and stay planted. The skis fight you in a carve and you can visibly see the rider fighting the bars.
If you're a trail guy the assault is amazing. If you plan on hills, get a Khaos 146 with the 2.0 track.
Awesome video guys! The Assault is just hard to beat!
Jan 12th
Still no snow, trails are closed. So glad I sold my sled.
We've got some good snow in Ontario right now. We're among the lucky ones...
Dynamix is pretty cool....
If you don't want a ski lift on the inner ski, you have to go to the Sidewinder SRX or Thundercat
@@MrGrobert1 never really felt like ski lift was a big concern. Just transfers weight to the outside ski and helps it dig in more.
@@kwmiked at least one of them raced snow cross. I met a guy on the trails who told me how to set up my front suspension on my 2006 Yamaha Attack .. night and day better handling with less pre-load on the front springs. It's rate that I ever run into anyone who can keep up with me on the trails.
Then My 10" Simmons ski dug into the top of a culver and bent my A-arms and Spindle .. I think it was Mountain Performance only had the 1.5" wider A-Arms so now my sled has a 3" wider stance and 10" wide skies.. I think they A-arms are chrome molly too. Also bent a shock badly when the plastic ski dug into the top of the Culvert. so went with Fox Air shocks .
Another great review. Look forward to some long pulls across a lake against one another. Be cool if all the boosted sleds were involved & some break-in was incl. The 998 always whips a little stronger after 1500 km’s on the odo. Can’t help but notice the predominately 2 manufacturer exposure this year. For obvious reasons but still not the way we wish it were.
I have a 2016 Renegade 800.. It only has 800 miles on it. Never get any snow in SW Michigan .. Anyway I had not really noticed how bad it vibrates at an idle until SnowTrax mentioned it when Skidoo make the upgrade. My other sled is a 2006 Yamaha Attack .. now that 4 cylinder is smooth .
It is a good haul to the UP, but from what I'm seeing the snow is good.
@@snowtrax I Spoke with my friend near Trout Creek he said not much snow. There are areas that get way more Lake Effect snow. I live near Kalamazoo MI Not much snow here, but go 20 miles West Closer to Lake MI and they get three times more snow from there to the Lake .
@@mikeskidmore6754snow on 94, 196, and 131 added an hour to my trip to Cadillac on Friday. But it was a great ride for the weekend.
Are you guys bidding on the special boxed last production model of the SRX?
Where are you guys in this video. We are based out of St. Germain, WI and there isn't any snow here. We would love to trailer into CA or anywhere for that matter to get on the snow in this video. Pls advise.
East-central Saskatchewan. Swan River, Manitoba. The British Columbia Rockies are loaded. Try Fernie, BC. Only a couple days drive NW for you.
We were in West Yellowstone, Montana this past March.
@@snowtrax I was a Skibum @ Alta UT in 1983. They average 500" of snow per year of really light powder. In '83 they got 720 inches of snow 60 feet. They told me they don't ride snowmobiles in the Wasatch they just get stuck. It was about then that guys started custom building long Track sleds for riding in the Powder in the Mountains. Mountain sleds have come a long way in recent years.
I have done a lot of extreme skiing in the steep and deep but have never ridden a sled in the Mountains with exception of a half day rental near Whistler. I got yelled at for riding too fast in the first 15 minutes. I was lagging way back in last place then would speed up . I got in trouble for going off the groomed trail . We did get to ride on a open meadow or Lake with Deep Snow.. The Guide was showing me how to stand up to corner in the powder, but my legs were so burned up I could hardly walk so I just sat on the seat most of the time. It only took about 3 days for my legs to recover, but I was back in Michigan by then.
It used to take me 30 days of skiing to get my legs in great shape to ski hard core moguls and powder for the next two months. Did that for 3 winters instead of college.. Then became self employed .. Blew out my knee the last year and my knee brace would wear my calf raw after 1 days of skiing . A few years later I got a good comfortable CTI brace. I duct tape it over my ski pants and am good to go. Have worn it snowmobiling too.
Good video guys. Thanks for going over the offer trail performance. I like both sleds but will be off trail more most likely as I leave from home more to go snowmobiling and usually have to make my own trails or go onto trails that are not groomed and barely anyone goes on. I am springchecking the Backcountry. Do you think the 43” front end will do well in 3 feet of powder on old mining and logging roads?
I think you're going to sacrifice a little bit in the deep stuff to get that better on-trail handling, but I think you'll still have a great time playing in the powder. Note that the 43 is also geared taller for trail riding and the 39 is geared lower for off-trail.
@ thank you for the advice.
You won't be sidehilling on logging roads, that's where the narrow front end works much better..
30grand for a sled is absolutely stupid!!! This 💩is way out of control!!
Not cheap that's for sure.
That's why the market is collapsing.
KTM is learning this in the dirtbike world!
You buy a new sled, next year you want to renew. You eat $10k on the resale of a one year old sled!! It’s disgusting, but so is a carton of eggs at $4.00!!
Cost of Vintage 440 SM will make you blink twice.
There are many less expensive options. You don't need a new escalade to get around. But you'll have fun on a used machine too
I rented 4# of these vr1 650 in yellowstone last year for 10 days . Good power for what it was. it was a warm sled and handled good, hand warmers I had to program them. hard to do on the fly. My wife and kid had cold hands most of the trip ran them all the way up to the max heat still was not good enough . She found it hard to program . last day I rented a couple of Ski doo's they had one switch for low med heigh so much better. 4 strokes were buttery smother also. Real word testing no bull , Ive owned every brand.
Now you need to compare Lynx Xterrain RE 850 or 850 Turbo to the Assault 9r.....
'All the sled company will be out of the snowmobile bez in about 6 years, maybe a smaller size ski doo hangs on at best. ''No snow''
Why no snow?
Where did that crossover shootout upload go? It was on this channel just a few days ago
Correct. We realized shortly after posting that it was actually missing the first 5 minutes, s o we pulled it down to fix it but we had other videos in the schedule. we intend to re-post it soon.
@@kwmiked maybe be paid actors, but they provide the best reviews for consumers, we all have different taste in riding.
Listening to you guys makes me thinks that I can see the futur😂. Polaris, Polaris, Polaris.
Hello just getting into the Sport. Looking to mostly go up to Tug hill area. Im looking at a used Snowmobile to start. 2015 Polaris 800 switchback pro -s its services at a local shop in my home town. Would this be a Good snowmobile to start with. The price seams inline what i see out there. And my budget again im a Rookie to this. Thank.
Those 800 motors were not the most reliable so it depends on miles and how it was ridden
@CCH-R Thank you I appreciate it would you have any Suggestions.
@@thomasthompson4999 sleds are sleds. They can all suck😂. I ride cat I’ve had great luck. My buddy’s ride doo and poo and they have had great luck as well. We all ride 600 cc sleds though. Recommendation is buy what you want and do the basic maintenance every year. Then ride!
@CCH-R Thank you. I appreciate it
Just make sure the mileage is low. If it has over 5000 miles, it might be ready for some maintenance or a rebuild. Ask your dealer if the 800 got re-flashed. I think that fixed a lot of the issues it originally had. Lots of great insight on this thread. I'm positive the people in this community will help with some solid advice.
good review that 9r is a hot seller and amazing engine. Not worth the 30k they want for them though.
I refuse to watch this as not cat
I just had a thought that both made me said and Laugh about you Communists in the Great White North. I was thinking the speed limit is very low. I did a search that told me the speed limit in Ontario is 50 KPH.. What a Joke.. Why spend Over $20,000.00 on a sled that you can't even run half throttle. If we ever get snow in SW Michigan .. I can hit 100 MPH on some of the straight aways across corn fields. I like to be a bit more conservative when I am near trees.
Speed limits. The maximum speed limit on snowmobile trails is 50 km/h, but conditions often require a slower speed. Adjust your speed to the weather and trail conditions. Alongside roads, speed limits for snowmobiles are not the same as the posted speed limits for other vehicles. Here are the limits for different paths and areas. I guess I can triple the speed limit of Ontario and go at least 162 KPH
My 2006 Yamaha Attack was reading 129 MPH on the Dreamometer that was 116 MPH on GPS and my 2014 Skidoo Renegade 800 hits the Rev Limiter at 108 MPH on GPS.. I did not know what on earth was wrong with it spitting and sputtering and cutting out. Then I got prescription glasses with bi-focals so I can read the gauges and see the overspeed warning.
We are Communists now?
@@snowtrax If you don't know how Socialist you are you have not been paying attention. The USA is not a Capitalist Country anymore, It's Cronie Capitalism. The Global Bankers, Big Pharma, Military Industrial Complex and the Health Insurance Industry own Congress, the Senate and the President. General Motors and Chrysler got Bail Outs. Seems I heard that the Canadian Tax Payers gave $500 Million to Bombardier. The American Tax payers have given $2 Billion to Tesla.
Your Car Insurance rates and required snowmobile Insurance ect are Absorbent & abhorrent. I carry a loaded handgun with me in the USA, try that in Canada. There are a few Communist States in the USA that I can't do it either.
The Forrest Fires are planned through mismanagement too .
Canada has many good snowmobile Trails but the cost of all of the Permits and Insurance is ridiculous. I don't want to spend all of that money just to get a ticket for riding over 50 KPH.
Plus I let my Passport Expire in 2020, because I never got the Experimental Clot Shot that causes Super Cancer. Most batches were inert but others were deadly .
“Polaris takes the win”, 🤔
Maybe its just me but Ski doos are the ugliest sleds on the snow!.
Great video 💯 but this comment is about what you call "motor" it's an internal combustion engine! Not an electric motor! 😮😅😂
Yup, you know as well as we do that the term "motor" has been used synonimously with engines since the ICE was invented. We sometimes call ATVs bikes when we do reviews on DIRT TRAX, but you guys still know what we're talking about. Every now and again we're gonna say motor so I hope you guys can live with it. 👍
Motor mounts
Motor oil?
Your a special kind of smart aren't you!
Your profile pic even has a MOTORcycle in it.
The people that stand up to pee still call it a motor …sweet cheeks