Just want to make it clear that the Itto things are contentious as even though her geo samples are activated after swapping off they may be de-activated which we have no confirmation on yet in which she does nothing for Itto but hold the scroll set so she potentially isn’t an upgrade for Itto when we get that confirmation
Xilonen is a Geo Natlan character, so she doesn't need to be busted to be worth. By being from Natlan she can use Scroll of the Hero of Cinder City, and by being Geo, she creates shards that can be collected by someone else using Archaic Petra. Still, I agree with you that she needs to keep her C0 value at the very least in order to be an upgrade from Kachina... A literal free 4 star!
Exactly!! And tbh hoyo should just make her be able to shred 40% of geo res more,since geo doesn't have any artifacts or characters that can shred like the VV artifacts. It's hella annoyingly crazy how Geo and Dendeo get the short end of the stick when it comes to res shred. It's like hoyo hates those 2 elements,bc why tf have we not gotten any artifacts or characters that can shred 40% of geo and dendro res?!?!?!? The freaking 30% from deepwood memory is not enough anymore to compete with Fontaine dos characters and other dps characters and the 36% Xilonen will shred is not gonna be that amazing compared to Kazuha with VV. Hoyo NEEDS to make her shred 40% geo res at least and the others could stay at 36%. Cause if hoyo doesn't wanna add any new elemental reactions to geo,then they should just give us a good supportive artifacts set for geo. Those scummy mfs never wanna do something right unless they're getting backlash or sued.
The geo samples are only active during her night soul state. So the shred only lasts a few seconds; when you activate the samples, it extends the duration for 15 seconds extra and you cannot activate it without multiple elements. She's pretty much only shred geo res while she is on field if you don't active it
@@FliponYT Gotta do 2 NA in her night soul state to activate them, the only other thing that idk yet is if she needs different elements to activate or can activate with same element too. For example in a neuv furina kazuha xilonen team, will she have only 1 stack of hydro or 2? If it's 2, then she's gonna make neuv even broken, if not, then it makes her balanced a bit
@@RafaelBanks69 oh then she's broken lol, shredding even once is already a lot, she perfectly fits into that category "Broken at c0, even more broken at c2"
In Arlecchino teams, Xilonen at C2 is literally what C6 Chevreuse is for the team, minus the Pyro Electro team comp requirement. She gives the same 40% ATK, RES Shred, Elemental DMG Bonus, and even heals.
It's less res shred less damage the same attack less energy and they both heal which does nothing for arlechinno. So she's just worse than chevruse for arlechinno.
@@juggernaut6666 •The RES shred is only 4% less (almost negligible) •Arlecchino doesn’t need to burst every rotation so the Energy isn’t a big deal. If you really want to just use Fav on Xilonen it’s one of her best F2P options anyways. •The Elemental DMG Bonus is on the Artifact set and not locked behind a C6 of a 4 star that’s been on banner once several months ago. •The access to Vapes completely overshadows the small differences. I calculated my own Arlecchinos damage in 2 teams: Arlecchino, Raiden/Fischl, Chevreuse, Bennet Arlecchino, Xilonen, Yelan, Bennet. The Xilonen team outperformed the Overload team.
" i asked a random stranger who he is , he replied," Flip, "and i knew he was USELESS." Funny cringe comment aside, Xilonen is looking like shes gonna be very good. I dont necessarily think she is going to powercreep Kazuha like some people think but rather be a strong and competitive alternative option to him. If u do a slight comparison, both buffs almost the same amount of stats. Xilonens buffs last longer, but kazuhas buff uptime is enough for most units. Xilonen can heal but kazuhas CC is way more valuable than that imo. Heals can be supplied through other means of offensive supports like Bennet. While CC is pretty much unique to Kazuha. Kazuhas dmg and elemental application is actually very valuable as well. Xilonen, however, has way easier setups by not needing any double swirl mechanics. Her c2 is lowkey broken.
Very true. In case you're wondering how valuable Kazuha CC is, try out the new trio Legendary Fatui agents in Natlan. Try with and without Kazuha to see the difference
@@kingdoom5022 First, Navia needs to be a top 5 dps for that to be relevant. Even after Xilonen, Navia won't be the best. There still will be units such as Arleccino, Neuvilette, Mualani, Hutao, and arguably Xiao that would be better than her.
@@deltaspecies1697 Did you throw your brain somewhere ? Navia already top 3 DPS with arlechino and neuvellite , with kachina she's already better than arlechino lol
I've looked at beta footage and I don't think her samples really activate off field without two PHEC in-team, which does mean killing off gorou (but buff Furina instead). Her elemental application is very weak imo, outside of mono-teams i think it's pretty tough to enable them with her. I thought she'd be more broken than Kazuha but as-is I don't think she's actually stronger than him!
thank you flip. im an itto main. im so happy geo shred works even if it is a short duration. and i will try to get her C4R5 just to buff my C6R2 itto. Triple DEF just for her 4th constellation which 65% of her DEF converts dmg to team wide normal/charge attacks for 6 hits. i can't wait for my itto might hit 110k - 130k damage without buffs per charge attack
geo shred doesn´t work when she swaps out read the text again " she loses her nightsoul state while switching off field. And the geo shred is only active while she has it (or activate all samples). So in mono geo she only shred for her own damage"
I mean if they have the capability to pull for constellations, I don't feel sorry for them. If they're dumb enough to pull for constellations as a F2Pooor, that's on them. I wanted Chiori, but skipped because she's not really needed at C0.
A likely problem with the Xilonen math for Navia: If you are getting cons on Xilonen to pair her with Navia, you probably have at least C2 on Navia and her weapon. This means her elemental skill gets 36% crit rate, and her weapon is a further 22.1%. Toss in 5% base and you're at 63%. Your artifacts will likely have at least some crit rate on it. So in that situation, she's going to overcrit on the source of over half her damage. My Navia, for example, sits at 62.4% crit rate, meaning her elemental skill is at 98.4%. And with the Waterfall domain being one of those highly inefficient to farm ones, well... For a lot of the other teams, they have Furina in them. And that means, if you aren't a giga-whale, you have to consider the impact of more cons on Furina instead. And not just in terms of theory, but in terms of QoL. I mean, if I my Furina was C2, I wouldn't be looking at adding a C4 Xilonen to that. I'd happily leave the jagyaru at c0 and get Furina up to C6 instead. Anyway, I'm planning on getting her C2. The character I'm actually most interested in pairing her with is Beidou. I like the idea of Beidou with a 15s duration burst that also has a 15s cooldown.
Very fair critique. It is generally hard to try and factor in practicality and make assumptions on what may people may or may not have so I like to stick the lower more common factors so that people who haven’t vertically invested yet can get an idea of where they want to take their accounts and dolphins/whales can get a general idea of what they want to dump their resources into.
homdgcat indicate that she loses her nightsoul state while switching off field. And the geo shred is only active while she has it (or activate all samples). So in mono geo she only shred for her own damage, which sucks. (doesn't make much sense either since the shred wouldn't have lasted long anyway).
thank you for saying this, it's a big deal that a lot of people are missing. such a shame tbh that they don't want her to be a mono geo support (not that I play mono geo but like, why)
@@DracoPrism 100% on top of that if she didn't lose her state while switching off field it would've made her c1 much more enticing, since the base duration is a bit meh. No idea why they did that.
@@QuinquetPourpre It says "Xilonen can trigger these effects even when off-field." The geo sample she has when she triggers nightsoul state just means the geo res shred will be active no matter if the buff's timer runs out, until her own nightsoul state ends. That just means that no matter when you do it in your rotation, you'll be ensured to have the geo res shred when you use her on field in her nightsoul state. So geo can still have it's own off-field shred it just follows the 15s timer like all the other elements for your other geo team members.
@@QuinquetPourpreThe same way you trigger the PECH shreds is the same way you trigger the one for geo. You can trigger it off-field because it says nothing about the geo sampler being treated differently other than changing based on the team's elements. Geo shred triggers on-field to make sure she can dps on-field, and off-field and works the same way the other elements would in her kit too.
hi flip! chinese speaker here! i noticed that u pronounce the X names quite similarly and its a little hard to decipher which character ur talking abt! just a kind suggestion, but try saying the first syllable as “sh” instead of “j” cuz i can barely hear the difference between xiangling xianyun and xilonen when u say it 😭😭 love your videos and the pre-release analysis content! please dont take the criticism to heart! 🫶🫶🫶
I wont take it to heart don’t worry! All feedback is appreciated. Changing how I pronounce words is not something Ill make a big deal about and going forward I’ll try my best use your suggestion. ❤️
@@denki2558 They aren't the best but I've gotten a flower with around 30% Crit DMG, Double Crit feather and sands, pretty good double Crit Dendro Goblet from before and Crit DMG circlet. I will be using Serpent Spine anyway so the lack of Crit Rate on some pieces is ok imo. He will not have the most top tier build right away but it will be above average at least 😭
Ok so Xilonen had marginal sub dps capability. Probably not very much without her signature. Best to just max out her healing with DEF% and ER. Her buffing comes from cinder city which just needs nightsoul and geo reactions. She sounds like she’s gonna need cheap and easy to build especially with the new craftable sword. Possibly with albedo’s sword too.
Shifting through the whole text spaguetti this is what I kinda understood: She's good in mono geo, but only as a main dps, she's better in rainbow teams, but not that great with Navia (no off field application-less shards), she's an alternative to Kazuha with healing instead of grouping, probably not worth for f2p if the already have him, the only team she seems to highly outpreform him is Neuvillette/Furina, as if that team needed any more buffs.
i literally dont know how her kit works properly, but those damn kicks during her skill, as well as her leaning on the wall chilling alr got me hooked!!! all in
@@vindruva9640 Nah you were correct. Double geo can still maintain shred but triple/mono geo only has res shred while she's in nightsoul state which ends when she leaves the field
I just tested Scroll Kachina + Archaic Petra C3 Furina for my Neuvillette (also includes Kazuha), and yes, it works! Blud is dealing 124k per Charged Attack hit at 100% Critical Rate and with enough buff uptime to land 2 complete CAs (that's 16 hits, almost 2M damage). Used R5 Sacrificial Jade on a C3 Neuvillette for the test. Now imagine that Xilonen does all that plus shreds an additional 36% RES and heals the party, so any constellation Furina is able to fit in as opposed to C2+ (Kachina doesn't allow for C0 or C1 Furina to properly work, sadly). And let's not get started on how good she is for Mualani.
I think both will end up being at least 20% better at their role that the 2nd best for Mualani so you probably want both, good thing Mavuika was leaked to be in 5.3
6:13 Kinda cope, but xilonen healing does contribute to neuvillette’s damage through his ascension passive that gives hydro damage bonus based on his current HP.
It's sad that she doesn't have off field damage or geo application..but otherwise she looks to be a promising support..just pray that they don't NERF her to the ground
You don’t get geo shred without 2 swirlable elements, geo doesn’t count for that aura. You only get geo shred in mono geo if she’s played onfield dps, as soon as you swap you lose it
If she is not going to do much for my Neuvillette, I don’t need her. Run Arlecchino a lot also but still….probably keep saving for upcoming Characters.😅
in neuve team. if you replace kazoha with xilonen. you get more hydro damage bonus and res shred, while proc the geo resonance which is 15% damage increase. i am seeing that xilonen + zhongli or yunjin will be very strong core to carry dps.
Where did dude get these numbers from??? Did he test mualahni teams and also did you even test xilonen the charecter itself???? Did you test Neuvilette with Xilonen IN THE TEAM like im confused
tbh, i will try to get xilonen if i can, but kinich is my absolute priority, so i’m not too concerned about getting her; i don’t like the design either i would be happy to get her for navia teams 🗣️
She is a catgirl with really nice hips, i didn't hear everything you said but i noticed most of it was good so this is all 💯 in my book HOLY FUCK I JUST REALIZED I COULD HAVE 10S BURST CD ON FISCHL IM GONNA YURO NO GENGENNN!!!!!!!!!!!!! (note: actually if its that huge it helps Yae a lot, she might actually sorta fit with Raiden etc now lmao, also makes tf Clorinde more Keqing-like. Alternatively back to Raiden doing various 15s supports with her now 12s Cooldown is kinda huge increase where feasible, or just in general with Sara and the gang)
i'm getting it and it's totally going to be worth it for my noelle. xilonen c2 r0 is going to give her: 3 CR 35 CD 215 DEF (from gear changes to compensate the extra CR) 36% Shred 65% DMG bonus oh yeah. second best buffer after my c3 furina. maybe even best buffer? idk how good her personal damage will be. plus i'll use them in conjunction so it doesn't matter which one is stronger
I have not seen calcs so grain of salt and all, but when asked, people have claimed that in itto teams, xilonen+furina is atleast equal to c6 gorou+chiori. and, if true, being free from the curse of mono geo would definitely be a big help for itto. not strictly because it's stronger in this case, mostly because it means if you like itto, you no longer need to sell an arm and a leg to use him. because despite zajef's mono geo propaganda, I have no desire to play mono geo no matter how many mono geo characters they make. when given the choice between a 5 star usable in one team, and a 5 star usable in a bunch of teams, I'm going to pick the one with more options. and that's, in my opinion, the big flaw of mono geo. unless the team type were ludicrously overpowered (which it's not), the fact that you need so many characters only usable in mono geo to make it work makes it inherently unappealing to pull for. so, if furina+xilonen can equal pure mono geo in power, it means that if you like itto, you can just pull itto, put him in a team with your existing general use characters, and have a viable team (I'm talking about myself. like sure he might not become top meta, but atleast I won't need to pull a whole team just for him to get a character that's not top meta)
@@FliponYT Navia C2 R1 and Xilonen C2 only need 12% crit meaning everyone needs to farm new artifacts again😔 Also Navia is a Niche dps that is struggling to stay in even the top 10 since Mualani released yet Xilonen will be locked to Neuv teams for 90% of players meanwhile Navia still has no great synergy with most of the Geo Cast. The devs basically just making Geo elemntless now since they abandoned the element.
A bit unrelated, I havent build her myself yet, or not far at least, but I dont really like Kachina. Beta leakers made her sound like the next geo hero but she seems to be just a stat Stick for the natlan Set to buff your navia. She generates ass for energy, all her cons only buff her own damage, which is bad, and she doesnt really provide more Crystallize for Navia either. And using her For anything but burst is a waste of time on the clock. I would rather play my invested geo sub dps in her teams. But maybe I will prove myself wrong with more testing. Therefore, I also dont think Xilonen will be too much of an Upgrade to Navia teams because the lack of shards Generation for Navia. The buffs will still be great but it opens questions to a potential Problem.
Hi Flip, I know i am late but please if you could.. can you compare how Xilonen would work on Ayaka teams.. Shenhe has not been on banner for a long time so how does she compare to other buffers like Furina, Kazuha, Mona for Ayaka/Ganyu/Wrio teams.. as Kazuha having low cryo swirl priority.. It would help us out a lot if you make a video on Xilonen's buffs for cryo.
Im skeptical about the mualani teams. I've been playing mualani, furina, xiangling, and xianyun. The vapes are inconsistent at best, and you definitely won't vape the burst.
flip you're definitely off on hutao xilonen still buffs hutao as she replaces kazuha in her vv vape teams while also getting easier double res shread set ups also remember hutao skill just converts atk so the 40% atk is strong
As long as they dont nerf dendro dmg, my main team of nelous dance of death and raidons ree party worh furina afk team is more then enough. I beat every legend in natlan and Fountain with that afk team. What i was meaning to say was, im pulling for the character and exploration not for dps So im pulling for her, then for the bird, then for pyro archon, even if she might or might not be a bad Bennett.
she doesn't work in mono geo unless she is onfield, she loses her nightsoul state if you switch her off field, the only way you keep her shred off field is by activating the samples so pretty much itto can't use her
@@doriansz3130 well, that's his er req in mono geo, if you don't play him in mono geo his req sky rockets, the only maybe playable team for him with xilo is maybe yelan furina with two favs in the team and 2 xilo skills then maybe yeah
C2 seems like it almost has some anti synergy with Navia assuming you want to vertically invest. I have a c3 r1 navia and the c2 giving Crit rate is almost a downside due to the fact that it makes crit rate substats almost worthless for your navia. Only needing around 5~10%. Would it affect her weapon rankings?
I got a C3 Navia too(I'm at 60% crit. was going for that 64% spot but not now) and I'll still be going for C2 Xilonen. It's overkill for Navia's skill, but Navia also does a good amount of damage with her geo infused NAs and burst. Xilonen will help Navia crit with the other half of her kit and iirc Navia's burst and geo infused NAs make up around 40 to 50% of Navia's dps. I still think that 60 to 70% crit rate will be the sweet spot for Navia since Navia's own C2 only changes the crit rate of her skill.
im at the point where im soo far from needing a meta support to clear qbyss or theater (still praying for mauvika to save us from ER Malding hell that is xiangling) i can comfortably completely disregard her support capabilities and just hyperfocus on her onfield dps playstyle instead (which so far hasnt been nerfed gladly, and if it does ill save the primos for maybe c2r1 mauvika or sth)
Hope for pyro archon to not have those goofy cartoonish textures that all natlan characters (so far) have. I can tolerate the weird hair effect but won't be happy with another roblox weapon.
@@FliponYT For the Xilonen DPS calculations. Specifically the calculations at 8:16 Also, thanks for the quick reply! First time watching your content, and it's great! subscribed
Just want to make it clear that the Itto things are contentious as even though her geo samples are activated after swapping off they may be de-activated which we have no confirmation on yet in which she does nothing for Itto but hold the scroll set so she potentially isn’t an upgrade for Itto when we get that confirmation
I genuinely hope she stays as she is, trying to keep Geo chars balanced is just dumb atp, they need to be busted to be worth anything.
Agreed
Xilonen is a Geo Natlan character, so she doesn't need to be busted to be worth. By being from Natlan she can use Scroll of the Hero of Cinder City, and by being Geo, she creates shards that can be collected by someone else using Archaic Petra.
Still, I agree with you that she needs to keep her C0 value at the very least in order to be an upgrade from Kachina... A literal free 4 star!
You weirdos are brainwashed by content creators
Exactly!! And tbh hoyo should just make her be able to shred 40% of geo res more,since geo doesn't have any artifacts or characters that can shred like the VV artifacts. It's hella annoyingly crazy how Geo and Dendeo get the short end of the stick when it comes to res shred. It's like hoyo hates those 2 elements,bc why tf have we not gotten any artifacts or characters that can shred 40% of geo and dendro res?!?!?!? The freaking 30% from deepwood memory is not enough anymore to compete with Fontaine dos characters and other dps characters and the 36% Xilonen will shred is not gonna be that amazing compared to Kazuha with VV. Hoyo NEEDS to make her shred 40% geo res at least and the others could stay at 36%. Cause if hoyo doesn't wanna add any new elemental reactions to geo,then they should just give us a good supportive artifacts set for geo. Those scummy mfs never wanna do something right unless they're getting backlash or sued.
@@TRak598she kinda does if they make her lackluster she will just be not worth Because kachina exits personally I will pull for her
The geo samples are only active during her night soul state. So the shred only lasts a few seconds; when you activate the samples, it extends the duration for 15 seconds extra and you cannot activate it without multiple elements. She's pretty much only shred geo res while she is on field if you don't active it
I wish leakers would just say how ts works 😭
@@FliponYT Gotta do 2 NA in her night soul state to activate them, the only other thing that idk yet is if she needs different elements to activate or can activate with same element too. For example in a neuv furina kazuha xilonen team, will she have only 1 stack of hydro or 2? If it's 2, then she's gonna make neuv even broken, if not, then it makes her balanced a bit
@@SaifShaikh1921 you get 2 but it doesn't shred twice.
@@FliponYT yea, Genshin 10,000 word skill descriptions don't help much either. But basically she only buffs her own fieldtime in mono geo
@@RafaelBanks69 oh then she's broken lol, shredding even once is already a lot, she perfectly fits into that category "Broken at c0, even more broken at c2"
In Arlecchino teams, Xilonen at C2 is literally what C6 Chevreuse is for the team, minus the Pyro Electro team comp requirement. She gives the same 40% ATK, RES Shred, Elemental DMG Bonus, and even heals.
It's less res shred less damage the same attack less energy and they both heal which does nothing for arlechinno. So she's just worse than chevruse for arlechinno.
@@juggernaut6666 •The RES shred is only 4% less (almost negligible)
•Arlecchino doesn’t need to burst every rotation so the Energy isn’t a big deal. If you really want to just use Fav on Xilonen it’s one of her best F2P options anyways.
•The Elemental DMG Bonus is on the Artifact set and not locked behind a C6 of a 4 star that’s been on banner once several months ago.
•The access to Vapes completely overshadows the small differences.
I calculated my own Arlecchinos damage in 2 teams:
Arlecchino, Raiden/Fischl, Chevreuse, Bennet
Arlecchino, Xilonen, Yelan, Bennet.
The Xilonen team outperformed the Overload team.
PO@@Soon22400
@@Soon22400Wonder what happens by replacing Yelan with Furina in the vape comp (wouldn't be surprised if it's stronger).
@@Soon22400you can slowly work up chevreuse cons, xilonen’s C2 is good for like a handful of teams. Not nahida or furina level imo
Since she works with double hydro, finally the buff that neuvillette desperately needs
Is it confirmed?
did bro really just say that neuvillette needs a buff 💀
He never needed any buff.
Are you, my friends, familiar with the concept of sarcasm?
Nah neuvillette still too weak. Need more buff 💀
bro forgot to mention the goat Xilonen XL Bennett Tartaglia :true:
Just let it go bro… it’s over😭
@@FliponYT
Nah tartagila gonna one shot that blue lizard after his training arc
No way we have another another "oh I cannot believe its not a xiangling team"
International pro max
Technically xilonen is also XL
Even when Itto wins he still loses.....
@@orfeasza not by much, I would think healer Xilonen will be much more efficient. Don’t worry.
because she isn´t made for itto
0:00 HENLO THERE, FLIP HERE 🗣
ITS HENLO💢
@@FliponYT wym that's what i said
Not the tgs brainrot
GUYS
FLIP?! DID YOU JUST CALL NUEVILLETTE THE LESS ATTRACTIVE ONE?! How very dare you
(Its the truth)
Hes right
@@FliponYT It's not. NUEVILLETTE is the most majecticest
talk to me again after you stop copium😢
Hes right
Xilonen also buffs neuvilette best team by 20%
Xilonen's C2 should be her A2.
Agreed so much, too bad it's too broken for C0 and Hoyo will never let this dream come true
Exactly.
Geo is gonna come out the trenches🗣🗣
@@Hakai11X she bad tho
don't forget that the new set fits her like a glove so she can give a lot of dmg bonus
" i asked a random stranger who he is , he replied," Flip, "and i knew he was USELESS."
Funny cringe comment aside, Xilonen is looking like shes gonna be very good. I dont necessarily think she is going to powercreep Kazuha like some people think but rather be a strong and competitive alternative option to him.
If u do a slight comparison,
both buffs almost the same amount of stats. Xilonens buffs last longer, but kazuhas buff uptime is enough for most units.
Xilonen can heal but kazuhas CC is way more valuable than that imo. Heals can be supplied through other means of offensive supports like Bennet. While CC is pretty much unique to Kazuha.
Kazuhas dmg and elemental application is actually very valuable as well.
Xilonen, however, has way easier setups by not needing any double swirl mechanics. Her c2 is lowkey broken.
Very true. In case you're wondering how valuable Kazuha CC is, try out the new trio Legendary Fatui agents in Natlan. Try with and without Kazuha to see the difference
@@deltaspecies1697
You forgot that xilonen res shred geo while kazuha don't , that's strictly makes her better cause of navia
@@deltaspecies1697
Xilonen does need double crystalize mechanics for the new set though , but losing damage bonus is less of an issue than res shred
@@kingdoom5022 First, Navia needs to be a top 5 dps for that to be relevant. Even after Xilonen, Navia won't be the best. There still will be units such as Arleccino, Neuvilette, Mualani, Hutao, and arguably Xiao that would be better than her.
@@deltaspecies1697
Did you throw your brain somewhere ? Navia already top 3 DPS with arlechino and neuvellite , with kachina she's already better than arlechino lol
Most people aren't gonna play xilonen with blue lizard cause she isn't a shielder
C1 Neuvillette exist.
Also her own C1 might also be enough
This is why we need an enemo shielder
u dont really need shield for nuvillete your should position and time your attack properly
ceystallize is enough in most cases
crystalise is enough and c1 neuv is one of the most pulled cons in the game so alot of people don't run him with a sheilder
I've looked at beta footage and I don't think her samples really activate off field without two PHEC in-team, which does mean killing off gorou (but buff Furina instead). Her elemental application is very weak imo, outside of mono-teams i think it's pretty tough to enable them with her.
I thought she'd be more broken than Kazuha but as-is I don't think she's actually stronger than him!
Keqing can burst every 7s with C2 Xilonen 🔥
Now ur a man of culture I see
Kazuha is better. His damage in aggravate is just really nice.
thank you flip. im an itto main. im so happy geo shred works even if it is a short duration. and i will try to get her C4R5 just to buff my C6R2 itto.
Triple DEF just for her 4th constellation which 65% of her DEF converts dmg to team wide normal/charge attacks for 6 hits.
i can't wait for my itto might hit 110k - 130k damage without buffs per charge attack
How much money you spend on this game? Damn
geo shred doesn´t work when she swaps out read the text again " she loses her nightsoul state while switching off field. And the geo shred is only active while she has it (or activate all samples). So in mono geo she only shred for her own damage"
Fs in the chat for the peeps who got jebaited into pulling C1 Chiori for Navia
i always think chiori purpose is to replace albedo in itto team. just bc she has atk scalings doesnt mean she a navias soulmate
actually a W cuz you can bench navia and use chiori with xilonen along with better dpses
I mean if they have the capability to pull for constellations, I don't feel sorry for them. If they're dumb enough to pull for constellations as a F2Pooor, that's on them. I wanted Chiori, but skipped because she's not really needed at C0.
@@mickysaif Based and true
A likely problem with the Xilonen math for Navia: If you are getting cons on Xilonen to pair her with Navia, you probably have at least C2 on Navia and her weapon. This means her elemental skill gets 36% crit rate, and her weapon is a further 22.1%. Toss in 5% base and you're at 63%. Your artifacts will likely have at least some crit rate on it. So in that situation, she's going to overcrit on the source of over half her damage. My Navia, for example, sits at 62.4% crit rate, meaning her elemental skill is at 98.4%. And with the Waterfall domain being one of those highly inefficient to farm ones, well...
For a lot of the other teams, they have Furina in them. And that means, if you aren't a giga-whale, you have to consider the impact of more cons on Furina instead. And not just in terms of theory, but in terms of QoL. I mean, if I my Furina was C2, I wouldn't be looking at adding a C4 Xilonen to that. I'd happily leave the jagyaru at c0 and get Furina up to C6 instead.
Anyway, I'm planning on getting her C2. The character I'm actually most interested in pairing her with is Beidou. I like the idea of Beidou with a 15s duration burst that also has a 15s cooldown.
Very fair critique. It is generally hard to try and factor in practicality and make assumptions on what may people may or may not have so I like to stick the lower more common factors so that people who haven’t vertically invested yet can get an idea of where they want to take their accounts and dolphins/whales can get a general idea of what they want to dump their resources into.
You just dropped the video a few minutes before we get the v2 of her kit 👀
@@FemboiMuffin only text changes trust
@@FliponYTI trust in you x3
@@FemboiMuffin💀💀💀
+1 video, a win win
@@FliponYT woahh you were right! She was left unchanged!
It's so Ittover.
homdgcat indicate that she loses her nightsoul state while switching off field. And the geo shred is only active while she has it (or activate all samples). So in mono geo she only shred for her own damage, which sucks. (doesn't make much sense either since the shred wouldn't have lasted long anyway).
thank you for saying this, it's a big deal that a lot of people are missing. such a shame tbh that they don't want her to be a mono geo support (not that I play mono geo but like, why)
@@DracoPrism 100% on top of that if she didn't lose her state while switching off field it would've made her c1 much more enticing, since the base duration is a bit meh. No idea why they did that.
@@QuinquetPourpre It says "Xilonen can trigger these effects even when off-field." The geo sample she has when she triggers nightsoul state just means the geo res shred will be active no matter if the buff's timer runs out, until her own nightsoul state ends. That just means that no matter when you do it in your rotation, you'll be ensured to have the geo res shred when you use her on field in her nightsoul state. So geo can still have it's own off-field shred it just follows the 15s timer like all the other elements for your other geo team members.
@@idk-jw6xl yes if you have 2 PHEC elements you can activate it manually. But you can't run triple geo and get the shred off field.
@@QuinquetPourpreThe same way you trigger the PECH shreds is the same way you trigger the one for geo. You can trigger it off-field because it says nothing about the geo sampler being treated differently other than changing based on the team's elements. Geo shred triggers on-field to make sure she can dps on-field, and off-field and works the same way the other elements would in her kit too.
1:36 bro thats so sad never let the guy that cooked itto ever cook again pls😂
hi flip! chinese speaker here!
i noticed that u pronounce the X names quite similarly and its a little hard to decipher which character ur talking abt!
just a kind suggestion, but try saying the first syllable as “sh” instead of “j” cuz i can barely hear the difference between xiangling xianyun and xilonen when u say it 😭😭 love your videos and the pre-release analysis content! please dont take the criticism to heart! 🫶🫶🫶
I wont take it to heart don’t worry! All feedback is appreciated. Changing how I pronounce words is not something Ill make a big deal about and going forward I’ll try my best use your suggestion. ❤️
@@FliponYT yay !
I'll pull her if the new wish system saves her for me... Cuz I already finished my Kinich build 😭
KINICH 🔥
Same Im fully investing
I already invested in Mualani so much that Kinich is not the right choice for my wallet and Freemos
How? It's barely a week. Give me some artifact luck too. 🥺
@@denki2558 They aren't the best but I've gotten a flower with around 30% Crit DMG, Double Crit feather and sands, pretty good double Crit Dendro Goblet from before and Crit DMG circlet. I will be using Serpent Spine anyway so the lack of Crit Rate on some pieces is ok imo. He will not have the most top tier build right away but it will be above average at least 😭
Ok so Xilonen had marginal sub dps capability. Probably not very much without her signature. Best to just max out her healing with DEF% and ER. Her buffing comes from cinder city which just needs nightsoul and geo reactions. She sounds like she’s gonna need cheap and easy to build especially with the new craftable sword. Possibly with albedo’s sword too.
me when fav 😔
@@rei_rei64 yeah Crit will make it harder but maybe her energy needs will be fine. I’m interested in how energy hungry she is
@@cybremystica93 2p Scroll + her second passive will help a lot, I think Fav sword + ER sand will be enough
honestly she doesn't need any stats at all her healing is pretty good that you don't need lots of def so using er sands is very reasonable
Shifting through the whole text spaguetti this is what I kinda understood: She's good in mono geo, but only as a main dps, she's better in rainbow teams, but not that great with Navia (no off field application-less shards), she's an alternative to Kazuha with healing instead of grouping, probably not worth for f2p if the already have him, the only team she seems to highly outpreform him is Neuvillette/Furina, as if that team needed any more buffs.
you can simply play er with kazuha in that team by switching out zhongli
i literally dont know how her kit works properly, but those damn kicks during her skill, as well as her leaning on the wall chilling alr got me hooked!!! all in
I thought her geo res shred is only active when she's onfield
@@vindruva9640 seems to stay activated regardless
@@FliponYT Oh I see. That's great news!
@@vindruva9640 Nah you were correct. Double geo can still maintain shred but triple/mono geo only has res shred while she's in nightsoul state which ends when she leaves the field
0:47 ITTO BUFF! LET'S FUCKING GO!
Right after that he mentions that if u have xianyun she will deal more damage than him lmao
I just tested Scroll Kachina + Archaic Petra C3 Furina for my Neuvillette (also includes Kazuha), and yes, it works! Blud is dealing 124k per Charged Attack hit at 100% Critical Rate and with enough buff uptime to land 2 complete CAs (that's 16 hits, almost 2M damage).
Used R5 Sacrificial Jade on a C3 Neuvillette for the test.
Now imagine that Xilonen does all that plus shreds an additional 36% RES and heals the party, so any constellation Furina is able to fit in as opposed to C2+ (Kachina doesn't allow for C0 or C1 Furina to properly work, sadly).
And let's not get started on how good she is for Mualani.
I see xilonen. I click.
need to find out if she or the archon is better for my mualani.
so far i really could use xilonens heals
SAME 😭😭
I think both will end up being at least 20% better at their role that the 2nd best for Mualani so you probably want both, good thing Mavuika was leaked to be in 5.3
definitely archon will be better because you get to replace xiangling
@@mickysaif qiqi speaks the truth 🗣🗣
@@mickysaif It would be really funny if the new archon can't replace Xiangling in Mualani teams
C2 Would give Keqing 7s CD burst (tho i dont play her
How good is Xilonen with Navia in terms of crystallized generation? Because Xilonen doesn’t apply offfield, but it should still be oki right?
You have Navia’s burst and normal attack gen should be fine
You can easily play quick swap navia + xilonen.
I'd say a lot of people who gonna pull for her don't care if she is an upgrade or not.
Hell I don't even play Geo and I'm gonna pull.
and thats good because she isnt into Geo exclusively.
6:13 Kinda cope, but xilonen healing does contribute to neuvillette’s damage through his ascension passive that gives hydro damage bonus based on his current HP.
It's sad that she doesn't have off field damage or geo application..but otherwise she looks to be a promising support..just pray that they don't NERF her to the ground
that would just be way too broken, her kit is already stacked
5:52 bro lied
I stopped watching when I heard this. Slander
Arlecchino yelan furina xilonen gonna pop off woot!
why flip slowly becoming like our former pepega overlord
Is this a good or bad thing 😭
@@FliponYT Good thing.
So she is only 10% dmg increase over kachina in navia team? Thats kinda dissapointing
6:00 shots fired
You don’t get geo shred without 2 swirlable elements, geo doesn’t count for that aura. You only get geo shred in mono geo if she’s played onfield dps, as soon as you swap you lose it
If she is not going to do much for my Neuvillette, I don’t need her. Run Arlecchino a lot also but still….probably keep saving for upcoming Characters.😅
So far she will, at least in the current beta version he gets the biggest buff from xilonen
in neuve team.
if you replace kazoha with xilonen. you get more hydro damage bonus and res shred, while proc the geo resonance which is 15% damage increase.
i am seeing that xilonen + zhongli or yunjin will be very strong core to carry dps.
but you lose neuvies dmg buff for different hydro reactions which makes kazuha + leopard girl better
Plunge xilonen?
Cmon flip we know you just wanted xilonen to step on you when she plunges
Average Weeb Comment +1
@@chaosinfernoid9008lol😂
I mean, who wouldn't say no to that
anyone else annoyed that xilonen doesn't seem like she will work as a support for plunge navia
btw she has to be on field to shred geo
Ittover then
as a f2p im thinking of getting her for my ayaka team instead of getting shenhe because shes more versatile and can also heal
For your neuv graphs, do any of the results past c0 WEP include her weaopn? or just her constellations with her on the craftable or something
All the support calculations for her constellations are her on the craftable without her weapon.
Where did dude get these numbers from??? Did he test mualahni teams and also did you even test xilonen the charecter itself???? Did you test Neuvilette with Xilonen IN THE TEAM like im confused
tbh, i will try to get xilonen if i can, but kinich is my absolute priority, so i’m not too concerned about getting her; i don’t like the design either
i would be happy to get her for navia teams 🗣️
Navia is gonna be the best DPS in the game after xilonen , the blue lizard could never
Yea,no.
W glaze as always
She's already better bc she's prettier than him
The copium is so nuclear it becomes radioactive at this point
@@simo8345-mh2ckif only he actually looked old and not like every single genshin man (a twink)...
Guys we won at least on V2. 🙏 to win the war.
Is the cool down reduction a glitch or
She is a catgirl with really nice hips, i didn't hear everything you said but i noticed most of it was good so this is all 💯 in my book
HOLY FUCK I JUST REALIZED I COULD HAVE 10S BURST CD ON FISCHL IM GONNA YURO NO GENGENNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(note: actually if its that huge it helps Yae a lot, she might actually sorta fit with Raiden etc now lmao, also makes tf Clorinde more Keqing-like. Alternatively back to Raiden doing various 15s supports with her now 12s Cooldown is kinda huge increase where feasible, or just in general with Sara and the gang)
It's time to stop even talking about c2, it's just bad and not worth getting over the many other fun upcoming units hoyo is cooking right now
I wouldn’t say it’s bad but besides the geo one it is somewhat underwhelming in comparison to what Furina and Nahida can do
i'm getting it and it's totally going to be worth it for my noelle. xilonen c2 r0 is going to give her:
3 CR
35 CD
215 DEF
(from gear changes to compensate the extra CR)
36% Shred
65% DMG bonus
oh yeah. second best buffer after my c3 furina. maybe even best buffer? idk how good her personal damage will be. plus i'll use them in conjunction so it doesn't matter which one is stronger
I have not seen calcs so grain of salt and all, but when asked, people have claimed that in itto teams, xilonen+furina is atleast equal to c6 gorou+chiori. and, if true, being free from the curse of mono geo would definitely be a big help for itto. not strictly because it's stronger in this case, mostly because it means if you like itto, you no longer need to sell an arm and a leg to use him.
because despite zajef's mono geo propaganda, I have no desire to play mono geo no matter how many mono geo characters they make. when given the choice between a 5 star usable in one team, and a 5 star usable in a bunch of teams, I'm going to pick the one with more options. and that's, in my opinion, the big flaw of mono geo. unless the team type were ludicrously overpowered (which it's not), the fact that you need so many characters only usable in mono geo to make it work makes it inherently unappealing to pull for.
so, if furina+xilonen can equal pure mono geo in power, it means that if you like itto, you can just pull itto, put him in a team with your existing general use characters, and have a viable team (I'm talking about myself. like sure he might not become top meta, but atleast I won't need to pull a whole team just for him to get a character that's not top meta)
It's strange she has such low synergy with Navia
What
@@FliponYT Navia C2 R1 and Xilonen C2 only need 12% crit meaning everyone needs to farm new artifacts again😔
Also Navia is a Niche dps that is struggling to stay in even the top 10 since Mualani released yet Xilonen will be locked to Neuv teams for 90% of players meanwhile Navia still has no great synergy with most of the Geo Cast. The devs basically just making Geo elemntless now since they abandoned the element.
@@StrangeJoe But for с0 navia this is a victory.
Bro you better get more famous because when I type flip on yt it shows me the samsung flip phone
@@rax7352 just type flip genshin gang😭
For dps, what’s the harbinger vs the craftable for f2p?
actually I'm tempted to go c2 (unlimited raiden rotation with no downtime) and it is cheaper than c6 raiden
A bit unrelated, I havent build her myself yet, or not far at least, but I dont really like Kachina. Beta leakers made her sound like the next geo hero but she seems to be just a stat Stick for the natlan Set to buff your navia. She generates ass for energy, all her cons only buff her own damage, which is bad, and she doesnt really provide more Crystallize for Navia either. And using her For anything but burst is a waste of time on the clock. I would rather play my invested geo sub dps in her teams. But maybe I will prove myself wrong with more testing. Therefore, I also dont think Xilonen will be too much of an Upgrade to Navia teams because the lack of shards Generation for Navia. The buffs will still be great but it opens questions to a potential Problem.
A character released in x.1 patch will either be mid like cyno or broken (unattractive) like Neuvillete
And Nilou 🧟
Hi Flip, I know i am late but please if you could.. can you compare how Xilonen would work on Ayaka teams.. Shenhe has not been on banner for a long time so how does she compare to other buffers like Furina, Kazuha, Mona for Ayaka/Ganyu/Wrio teams.. as Kazuha having low cryo swirl priority.. It would help us out a lot if you make a video on Xilonen's buffs for cryo.
Sure
Im skeptical about the mualani teams. I've been playing mualani, furina, xiangling, and xianyun. The vapes are inconsistent at best, and you definitely won't vape the burst.
Ive been waitting for xianyun rerun for my hutao
Imagine xilonen just delice that and force me to pull for her
I see C6 itto there 😍
4:55 Me with c2 navia
im cooked
how weak is c1 chiori compared to c0 xilonen?
flip you're definitely off on hutao xilonen still buffs hutao as she replaces kazuha in her vv vape teams while also getting easier double res shread set ups
also remember hutao skill just converts atk so the 40% atk is strong
Is she not worth it without her sword and c0??? D:
As long as they dont nerf dendro dmg, my main team of nelous dance of death and raidons ree party worh furina afk team is more then enough.
I beat every legend in natlan and Fountain with that afk team.
What i was meaning to say was, im pulling for the character and exploration not for dps
So im pulling for her, then for the bird, then for pyro archon, even if she might or might not be a bad Bennett.
I like her design but not sure if I should pull, I don't have Nahida and think she would be better on my account.
She's a DJ skater girl. Idc what Xilonen does. I'm still pulling regardless lol.
4:50 I thought XL is Xiangling for a sec
OPPA
In a team of Arlechino, Yelan Bennet, Xilonen - what resistances get shredded? Both Pyro and Hydro? Or just Pyro?
pyro, hydro, and geo get shredded in that comp
if you don’t use kazuha with Xilonen who would be in the last slot
she doesn't work in mono geo unless she is onfield, she loses her nightsoul state if you switch her off field, the only way you keep her shred off field is by activating the samples so pretty much itto can't use her
Well put Furina in the team problem solved.
@@doriansz3130 yeah and fav on itto to burst so true
@@EePOS-z2n Itto doesn't need that much ER you can get it pretty easy from some substats he need 120 -135% depending on what artifacts you use
@@doriansz3130 well, that's his er req in mono geo, if you don't play him in mono geo his req sky rockets, the only maybe playable team for him with xilo is maybe yelan furina with two favs in the team and 2 xilo skills then maybe yeah
love your vid
I love you❤️
@@FliponYT 😍
Wait didn’t people say she’s Anemo I was looking forward to pull her for that so my Sucrose takes a break already.
Chacha or wut her name is the anemo 1 (robin hood looking chick)
theoretically if i pulled hot cougar kazuha for clorinde would it be theoretically worth it?
C2 seems like it almost has some anti synergy with Navia assuming you want to vertically invest. I have a c3 r1 navia and the c2 giving Crit rate is almost a downside due to the fact that it makes crit rate substats almost worthless for your navia. Only needing around 5~10%. Would it affect her weapon rankings?
I got a C3 Navia too(I'm at 60% crit. was going for that 64% spot but not now) and I'll still be going for C2 Xilonen. It's overkill for Navia's skill, but Navia also does a good amount of damage with her geo infused NAs and burst. Xilonen will help Navia crit with the other half of her kit and iirc Navia's burst and geo infused NAs make up around 40 to 50% of Navia's dps. I still think that 60 to 70% crit rate will be the sweet spot for Navia since Navia's own C2 only changes the crit rate of her skill.
Is it bad the only reason I want to pull for her is that she inline skates and her skills are synthesizer
There is no bad reason to like a unit
Did you include her new updates to her burst with a cooldown of 5.0789 seconds
I’M CRYING
@@FliponYT oh sorry idk I got it from hom dg cat
@@Nosiop09 oh I thought your comment was a joke I saw the homg wiki update and it looks like a glitch/unintended
@@FliponYT oh ok...yeah it didn't seem right to have such a short cd and energy requirement
@@FliponYT I checked hakushin and it has the same thing so you think it's like genshin that's glitched
is zhongli vs xilonen in neuvi team compared with petra on zhongli?
@@stelqt yes
"she's good in itto teams" yes but that unfortunately means you have to play itto teams.
Dope
im at the point where im soo far from needing a meta support to clear qbyss or theater (still praying for mauvika to save us from ER Malding hell that is xiangling) i can comfortably completely disregard her support capabilities and just hyperfocus on her onfield dps playstyle instead (which so far hasnt been nerfed gladly, and if it does ill save the primos for maybe c2r1 mauvika or sth)
Hope for pyro archon to not have those goofy cartoonish textures that all natlan characters (so far) have. I can tolerate the weird hair effect but won't be happy with another roblox weapon.
What's your Xianyun constellation? I have her at C0, but I wonder whether C2 is required for the DPS you showed
Do you mean for the gameplay or the calculations
@@FliponYT For the Xilonen DPS calculations. Specifically the calculations at 8:16
Also, thanks for the quick reply! First time watching your content, and it's great! subscribed
@@bahkyu Xianyun is C0 with 3K ATK and the song of days past set there yes.
ok guys I have a chiori sig benched gathering dust IS IT GOOD on her ?
The Plunge agenda is maintained
The question is..... Is she good with NAVIA?? I DONT WANNA LET GO OF NAVIA 😢
After all leaks my Team of furina Main DPS sigewinne kazuha and kachina she is basically all the Supports 😂😅
I'm taking the Whale Bait for my Neuv
You better hit new world records
Ok but Itto Xilonen furina fishel?
I pulled Chiori for Navia. Wtf?
Is she good for Wriothesley?
She offers the best Furinaless teams for him so yes!
"I'll see you guys on the flip side" yeah sure buddy...
Hellllo here flip there
Bro job had one
GUYS