Is The Loudness War Over?
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- Опубликовано: 7 мар 2023
- In this episode the guys discuss the much debated loudness war and how it has developed over time. Has streaming completely ended the loudness war? Is there still a need to get your songs loud? Does quieter songs sound better? Are LUFS important? Lets find out.
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Yo on the EQ for the tool tips will it include the frequency range? I think that'll help undersatnding and associating frequency ranges and the adjectives for those ranges. Just a thought
Bro I get hyped to watch these every episode as if it’s my favorite netflix show or st
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Studio one has a great workflow in the current version and a lot of the stock mixing plugins are pretty good. The instruments are kinda wack, but I use so much 3rd party stuff that I stick with S1. I started on Logic and I used pro tools in audio school, but I honestly prefer S1 workflow.
Their stock reverb and eq are great, I use them on every mix
Love Studio One!
Good show guys. I really appreciate all the knowledge ya'll drop.
Protools is the glue that brings all other DAWs together.. love yu guys. Keep it moving young guys..
Studio One is the GOAT. Y'all keep playin 😂😂😂😂
Facts!
W LJ tutorial. Will definitely be putting this into practice. Thanks for the sauce king!
I love the fact of how the perceived loudness gains of increasing the mid-range makes the LUFS constraints of streaming services "almost" a non-issue. I greatly appreciate you all giving us secret technical insights during your discussion on how to achieve "louder" mixes despite the new streaming standards. Thanks for sharing this information!!!
love this podcast keep going Brodies
UAD 1176 is 🔥🔥🔥 it comes in the spark bundle so you don’t even need hardware to use
Nice podcast fellas!!! Keep them coming I’m on it !!!
1st time watching u guys and its fire!!! best podcast
my dudes… God Particle. I listened to y’all. can’t ever go back now. 👊🏻🔥👊🏾
I have Adams now but they had the Kali Audio speakers at studio I used to engineer at and they are sooo fire!!!
I have the same issue you have with MP3s with MP4s. When I watch on my 12bit 6k footage on my 4k 10bit display or 2k 10bit Macbook pro my jaw falls to the floor, but when it's on RUclips or Instagram....... i wanna cry. I pretty much just tell every person i show it to it: "You think that looks good, it looks soooooo much better that this!"
Best podcast thanks
You guys too funny 🤣🤣🤣 Great episode! 😄
The family is back 🙌🏽
I’d love to hear your thoughts on releasing. E.g. the Russ method vs traditionally waiting 1+ years for a project. In other words, being in people’s faces consistently vs ‘coming back’ with a new project after being illusive and not showing face for while. Love the pod!
love what you do brah im a fan #Australia !
Make these longer please we need more🙏
"See the thing about this God Particle plugin is we don't know what it is but we know exactly what is but some people don't know what it is" LMAO that was classic!!!!!!!!
🎚️Studio one gang in the buildinnnnnnn ‼️😭😭😎😎😎😎
Literally was just having this conversation!
I love ur plugins bro
Dope bro
I love the JBL 308p MKII , alot of people sleeping on those. They give a great transparent sound ✨️🎶🎵✨️✨️✨️
Rvox & Rbass are are all fast workflow game changers!
This is one of the reasons why I switched to buying Vinyl Records. Vinyl has that cap when it comes to how loud you can make your Singles and the Albums that those singles appear on. No joke
Yes logic updates are free‼️‼️
I would love to win that Rosetta EQ because it just looks amazing
No matter how loud a record is it still doesn't compare to commercial records. You can turn those songs all the way up and it doesn't destroy the song. The reverb stays the same. The high end doesn't crumble and the music doesn't distort. So the war isn't in loudness its in dynamics at the top
Dope
a video about the way you tame hurtful frequences on loud masters woul be cooool
Very interesting
Since you all mentioned The God Particle and Tonal Balance Control Pro usage in this video, I'm curious to know how do they sit in your mix/master effects chain, along with other plugins used to get a master that's radio-ready. Would you please make plans to create a video to feature their usage? What you all present here is very empowering and intriguing! Thanks!!!
@@Wurldz good advice!! Thanks 😊
Word tho we definitely knew how many mp3 would fit on our iPods 😂😭
YA’LL GOTTA DO A SEGMENT ON 32 BIT FLOAT RECORDING!!!! 🤯🤯🤯
I grew up on waves but now I prefer other companies like Arturia, AUD,Gem Overload, PA and Softube.. But I still use RBass, NS1 and Clarity vx
brooo yall too funny 😂😆
@helpmedevvon When are the new functions available for the Rosetta EQ?
Your plugin HMD ROSETTA is dope.. bought it , but my only complaint is there is no bypass either on the plugin or per band, hard to do a a/b comparison when you are using more than one eq band it gets tricky, ,
I agree with Devvon on -10 I'll work to where by ear everything sounds good, which when I check the meters is normally around -10, then to finish off I push it to like -8
imo I think purple audio MC77 is a better 1176 model is better then both UAD and Waves and I try both. MC77 is silky smooth and also aggressive ofc
yall sleeping on the slate digital bundle tho. its really a game changer
"I fought a hard battle. I was part of those wars"
-me to my kids
Low End, with Dr Courtney Taylor
According to Sound on Sound the Yamaha HS8's have a flatter frequency response than the Adam T8V's
When LJ started saying put the fruity limiter at the start of the chain, I know shits about to get chaotic 😂
I feel like the loudness war is definitely not over. Dynamics and loudness always competes, but however when done right you get a nice in between. Eq, compression, clipping, limiting in mastering should all be used be not only correctly to achieve such but starts with the mix itself.
And oh yea big uad over here, they all wreck waves emulations period point blank lexicon 480l is my baby and sorry Courtney them 76s from uad SLAPS!
I’m a keep using koala and BeatMaker 3 in AUM with a bunch on plugins and more plugins. I dead ass love koala bro shits 🔥
Could you maybe take a look at the vocal mix of the song "Jodeci" from YG Pablo? This is one of the best sounding mixes I've ever heard on a song, and I'm finding it very difficult to get this sound out of my mixes.
Logic is just called Logic Pro now. There is a version number, but just for tracking the version. I think Apple is done with the numbering.
I was going to sell my genelecs 1030's.... but with the mid-range being so important I'm realizing that might not be a great decision
Can you make a new tutorial on getting your mixes to -8 LUFS without destroying the mix, I'm actually struggling with this and a lot of references haven't been helping. If you can! Bless up.
House producers are at another level in the Loudness War!
Man this FL Mastering thing ist killing me. Sooooo funny gaaaadaang
man...f*ck a LUFs 😆
great convo. shouts to the team
Salute to the podcast @badlungz
Can y’all get a Studio One representative on the cast? I’m sick of the disrespect. 😂
Facts on the green 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yooo I feel yall about that God Particle lol. If it don't hit the green...then I'm rapping them knob lol
I love the NBA/ Nerd talk lmao
I’m on the Studio One 4 (Replacing Pro Tools😏) & Reason for my production.
What y’all using out there?
Note: If you buy the Rosetta make sure you download and install it quickly (I don't know the exact Send Owl cut off time) because you won't be able to use what you purchased and because Help Me Devon is so busy, he obviously doesn't have time to help you get it reset. I've been hella patient but it's getting ridiculous now. This is from a fellow Full Sail alum!
ngl. i feel like this is a you problem and not a manufacturer problem. learn how to download plugins before coming to people's comment section to put them on blast for something that is very clearly a you issue.
@@msb1704 weird take, they for sure should help promptly weather he is versed on getting plugins into his daw or not. Don’t turn to a booty butt Mitch. Devon would want to help him asap if he knew about it and could.
Hi Steve we have a dedicated team to all things product related by contacting helpmedevvon@gmail.com you don’t have to rush to download your software it sits in your email for you to access anytime. Can you dm me personally on my IG @ helpmedevvon and I assure u it’s a super simple thing to fix for ya or to solve what you’re trying to do! We got you it’s no issue !
@@msb1704 I wish it was but it wasn't. However, probably bcuz of this post I wasn't ignored anymore and got the help I needed. It was as I stated and and is now resolved. Now, as for you, NGL, no need to put your cape on esp when you don't know anything about who you're talking to or their background/experience.
@@HelpMeDevvon Truth is I did patiently go thru the process you mentioned above and until after this post, didn't get the help I needed. I love what you do and stand for. I'm also fellow FS grad! I love what you're growing with your gift. My post was not to bash you but to advise others of my experience and to help them not to incur the same. Subscribing and liking your content is one thing but when we start spending money there's another level of expectation. Thank you for responding here and to the issue. Peace and Blessings to you and yours!
Is the God particle the only plug-in on the master? Or do y’all master into the God Particle aswell as mix into it
Cla > renaissance 😊
week 3 of asking for longer episodes
Yeah it should be longer this is the longest I've seen though I think
topic idea : you have 5000$ to build a studio. What gear would you buy? (monitors, interface, mic ect.)
Macbook M2 8TB SSD 128GB RAM😂
any advice on how to get the best quality audio on instagram reels?
Doctor live is fire 😂
WE USED TO KNOW how many songs 100 gigs was. I appreciate this millennial representation so much.
Acid Pro is the goat!
I have to ask this question..... Devon, why aren't you currently out as a artist/ I listened to ALL your listed songs! I love what you do for us but MON!!! Go get your Grammys.. You've been blessed with a tremendous talent. Nuff Risspek and Guidance!
You could sell millions.... Just saying
UAD is Top notch! Do y'all use the APOLLO? like Empirical Labs, Antares, NEVE 1073 & Collection, AVALON, API, Tube-tech, Teletronix, MANLEY, SSL ,Maag EQ4, Shadow Hills, SONNOX, Chandler, FATSO, Fairchild...., REALLY Tough !!!
U said u crack open the fab filter 😮
Logic Pro is installed on new macs.
so one guy looks like jake from state from and one a 2k startup char. Now the big black dude looks like Low from Peer2Peer Podcast like he's swagged out version tho
anytime i rip a beat from youtube i download the 1080 video file and it pulls the wav/m4a audio into pro tools
I forgot to MENTION DANGEROUS BAX EQ & like come on these are ELITE Brands
I love -9 lufs
Logic don’t even allow you to drag mp3 anymore
studio one is this to voice and mix
You can do everything in Studio One
Talk about some drumkits yall use
Lol Apple may just come out with a crazy new Logic Pro someday.
Not gonna lie, the CLA-76 changed my life as a mix engineer LOL. From the first day I used it, I'll never mix on a record without using it. The CLA-76 may be the only plugin that'll make Renaissance plugins have to go lol. Don't get me wrong! It's a hard choice because I've been a loyal R guy since day 1 lol.
Yea, the loudness wars is still happening. This war of loudness really happens within contrast of other songs. When people are listening to other songs at a loud volume and then your song comes on lower than the others, that's when it'll become noticeable. DJs are the perfect example for this test. I've produced a lot of Haitian remixes over the years and I'll go to the club just to hear how my mix sounds in the system. I'll always notice the change in volume.
With most online streaming platforms providing a limit cap on LUFs, I believe there's a way to bypass that in the settings of your distributor website. I believe on tunecore's website for example, you can simply uncheck the option of uploading your song(s) at their desired LUFs.
I believe the streaming apps are what do the normalization. On Spotify you have an option, but they do change the peak no matter what to prevent distortion.
"Your tutorial is ASS"
Best thing ever, I was wetting myself.
this is really off topic but i think my biggest problem with mixing is that i spent so much money on plugins that i feel like i have to use them all but to get back on topic thats why i will pick the waves renaissance cause i only use the cla 76 and 2a emulations which i can find other places
Use certain plugins for certain songs it’s good to have a variety
Does anyone use slate digital’s fgx2
Magix Sequoia is the best daw
Im sorry, but you guys are wrong Studio One is the best DAW!
I said it. Not because I wanted but because I need. THE TRUTH WILL PREVAIL. nuff said!
Now explain
Someone who is smart enough! I used to Luv protocols but studio one is just 🔥🔥
@somelone2401 I don't really need to if you just use it once it will become very self explanatory but...
Versatile
UI friendly
Simple but with powerful features
Good looking UI
Always bringing new cool features to users
I'm mean the list goes on Studio One IMO out performs every other mainstream DAW because it actually listens to there users.
PRO TOOLS, LOGIC, CUBE base only relevant because they have been around the longest but honestly they're outdated and lack in basic cool features that would definetly make creating more fun.
No to shit on them but Studio One just thinks outside the box more
And @helpmedevvon never really talks about this smaller DAWs so it doesn't help bring awareness to these more better looking, power, and versatile DAW's just because they're not industry standars and I hate it. Because Studio One is such a power DAW!
@@AyoRayBeatz protocols is crazy
Uad shittin on waves #Respectfully
Cubase is 600 and something
I tonal bal control every mix
Plz add time stamps man on this podcast and other one also.
yea Devon. Dont hate on the Kalis . lol.
PRO TOOLS GANGGGGGGGGG
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Heavy Dawcism on FL lmfaoo
Ya had Richard Pryor you didn’t really have Dave Chappelle for real 💀😭
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