There is also the fact that the Panamera is a VW platform (the MSB platform), in and of itself hence the massive amounts of parts sharing.... Do you like the Bentley Continental GT or Flying Spur? It's a Panamera and they have been since the inception of the third gen of those cars. Hell, the Taycan/E-tron GT is something of a relative to it since the 9J1 platform is derived from this.
No it doesnt bro its good marketing just because its sportier might as well just get a cayman or 911. Nobody stares at a panamera. I see them all over atlanta where i live.@@CarswithMiles
8:54 Cayenne can't get PDK because it needs to be able to tow 3,500kg (since it's an SUV) and the PDK gearbox isn't designed to be able to handle that. Macan gets PDK because it only needs to tow 2,400kg since it's a much smaller car.
I am certainly not sleeping on the Panamera. I simply can’t afford it. I just bought a 2020 BMW M5 for (about) $15K less than a 2017 Panamera with similar miles.
Same here. Got a 2022 RS3 right now and want a Panamera GTS. People see my car and say “oh you can afford it if you can drop 70k on a baby Audi” like no bro I can’t. I don’t even know how to word this nicely but basically its always the 40k salary car guys who’ve never sat down to sign paperwork on an AMG/M/RS that always tell me what I can and can’t afford. They don’t understand that even a new base model Boxter cost more than a 2024 RS3 with every option box checked.
@@aadidevnair8507 yeah I was disappointed about that too. I live in the US so I'm hoping that the M5 touring does well here and they bring over the M3 touring by the time I have enough money to actually afford one
@@leonardschluter7037 idk I’ve driven a G2 Panamara numerous times and I hate the way it feels going around corners. I feel the weight shift drastically and I also feel the backend slipping. Also the funky touchscreen fan controls are a dealbreaker for me. Porsche should gave it the 911 air vents and made it like the 911 interior where you can control the direction with your fingers.
Say it ain’t so…. All Electric or Hybrid assisted? I like the look of the Cayman/Boxter better than the 911. It’d be a shame if it suddenly went all electric and silent
The Taycan is the 4-door 911. It's by far the most sporty of Porsche's sedans. The panamera is more of a generic german luxury car, a comppetitor highend 5-series, E-class and A6.
Actually I love the Panamera it’s my favorite Porsche ever made which a lot of people find crazy but it’s just so perfect to me I cannot wait to get mine !
As a 970.2 Panamera 4S owner, the newer models look so much better without the frumpy ass the old ones have. I'm obviously biased but I'm so glad the Panamera exists. I suppose I'm in the minority of people who need a long hatchback but want it to be low, powerful, and luxurious. Will definitely upgrade to a newer one when it's time, but I'm a huge fan.
Love the Panamera, I’d def cop one of these if I had a lot of money and wanted a daily driver sedan, my personal choice would be the 4S E-Hybrid trim though
I was inclined to go with a Panamera (here in Europe). But I wouldn't be allowed to write it off as business. So I decided to go with the Taycan and hell yeah, I'm enjoying! So far so good
I don't think people are sleeping on it, it's just not a very exciting model compared to all the other models except maybe the macan and cayenne. Interestingly here in europe you could get a 4.0 litre V8 diesel Panamera with 422 hp and 850 nm of torque. People have remapped to over 500hp.
And I think that's exactly why people have been overlooking the Panamera. It's not exciting but highly well-rounded and kicks butt in terms of handling & performance
@@CarswithMiles I am pretty convinced that it's Porsche's wheelhouse, they like corner dynamics and overall robustness. They don't really concern themselves with straight line speed, tho they can do that. They are not (mostly out of experience) in the HP game, they don't really care if that number is the highest unless they have to. They have a car that looks good is mostly as a matter of those dynamics and little else, but, to quote Ferry Porsche, "We have the only car that can go from an East African safari to Le Mans then to the theatre and then to the streets of New York." He was saying that about, of course, the 911... That said, it describes what the company has been after in every single thing that they make since it's creation 76 years ago. The signature image of a Porsche is how it attacks a corner at full chat, or at Le Mans. Sure, that is a bit boring but boring works.
IMO it's not that people don't know how good the car is, it's that a fully optioned RS7, M5 or E63 cost less than a base model Panamera with minimal options. It's a great car but it's priced much higher than its competitors
No one is sleeping on this Porsche. Porsche people simply don’t want to deal with one of the least desired and highest deprecation models. Non-Porsche people simply don’t want to get an Evergreen cargo ship rammed up their arse whenever it needs service.
I have loved these since they first came out, which has been a tough position to have since they were pretty ugly. Fortunatly, these last few generations of the panamera have made they drool worthy. Especially the wagon which they have unfortunately killed off.
My friend has the exact car, the car is amazing, but the motor is absolute crap. The 4.4 to 60 is only with a porsche launch, it doesnt feel quick at all punching it on the highway. More importantly, the v6 sounds terrible. Highly recommend you shell out for a v8 model.
I don't get launch control. I guess if youre still mentally 18 years old or a use the car for pro drag racing its cool. But on a daily driver? why ? To get from stop light to stop light quicker ?
But see... For the price of a Panamera 4S, I could get a fully loaded brand new Audi RS7 which has even more horsepower & Torque, plus just as many if not more features.
Powertrain has been improved, but car, overall, besides the new suspension which is pretty awkward, is way worst. Interior, full of black piano feels way worst ala Taycan. Alluminum is gone, digital screen shouts price reduction and man… no ST version? Are we serious. No way this car is better than its predecessor.
All good tech till things starts to break 😮then it breaks again & when it breaks the bank 🏦 trying to fix shit..then after you fix all the shit it gets stolen for the second time (yeah thanks ..but no thanks👎🏽)
See until this video, i wasnt sure if i should buy the panamera or the 911, Ill make sure to buy it next time i hop on Forza.
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Sleeping is how I dream of driving a Porsche
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Nobody is sleeping on a Panamera... it just costs 2x a comparative 5 series, e class, or a6. You see tons of Panameras in afluent areas.
And there's a reason it's 2x the price. It truly does feel like 2x the car compared to a base 5-series or E-Class.
There is also the fact that the Panamera is a VW platform (the MSB platform), in and of itself hence the massive amounts of parts sharing.... Do you like the Bentley Continental GT or Flying Spur? It's a Panamera and they have been since the inception of the third gen of those cars. Hell, the Taycan/E-tron GT is something of a relative to it since the 9J1 platform is derived from this.
Panemera just set a lap record things a beast. I love the new headlights too.
No it doesnt bro its good marketing just because its sportier might as well just get a cayman or 911. Nobody stares at a panamera. I see them all over atlanta where i live.@@CarswithMiles
See more Macan and Cayenne than Panamera. Still ugly since the first gen.
8:54 Cayenne can't get PDK because it needs to be able to tow 3,500kg (since it's an SUV) and the PDK gearbox isn't designed to be able to handle that. Macan gets PDK because it only needs to tow 2,400kg since it's a much smaller car.
I am certainly not sleeping on the Panamera. I simply can’t afford it. I just bought a 2020 BMW M5 for (about) $15K less than a 2017 Panamera with similar miles.
Same here. Got a 2022 RS3 right now and want a Panamera GTS. People see my car and say “oh you can afford it if you can drop 70k on a baby Audi” like no bro I can’t. I don’t even know how to word this nicely but basically its always the 40k salary car guys who’ve never sat down to sign paperwork on an AMG/M/RS that always tell me what I can and can’t afford. They don’t understand that even a new base model Boxter cost more than a 2024 RS3 with every option box checked.
You got the better car here anyways.
No worries.
Get a second gen Cayenne if you still want a Porsche for daily use.
The panamera is literally my goal car, I don't really care about the 911, I love the practicality of the panamera
sadly, they took out the estate
@@aadidevnair8507 yeah I was disappointed about that too. I live in the US so I'm hoping that the M5 touring does well here and they bring over the M3 touring by the time I have enough money to actually afford one
“Practicality” yeah okay. It’s a giant boat
@@SparklingWalrus boats don’t handle well, the panamera sure does
@@leonardschluter7037 idk I’ve driven a G2 Panamara numerous times and I hate the way it feels going around corners. I feel the weight shift drastically and I also feel the backend slipping. Also the funky touchscreen fan controls are a dealbreaker for me. Porsche should gave it the 911 air vents and made it like the 911 interior where you can control the direction with your fingers.
Nice review! IMO Panamera is the 911 on the sedan size. Taycan is the Cayman as it’s smaller and electric (Cayman to be all electric going forward)
Say it ain’t so…. All Electric or Hybrid assisted? I like the look of the Cayman/Boxter better than the 911. It’d be a shame if it suddenly went all electric and silent
The Taycan is the 4-door 911. It's by far the most sporty of Porsche's sedans. The panamera is more of a generic german luxury car, a comppetitor highend 5-series, E-class and A6.
Actually I love the Panamera it’s my favorite Porsche ever made which a lot of people find crazy but it’s just so perfect to me I cannot wait to get mine !
As a 970.2 Panamera 4S owner, the newer models look so much better without the frumpy ass the old ones have. I'm obviously biased but I'm so glad the Panamera exists. I suppose I'm in the minority of people who need a long hatchback but want it to be low, powerful, and luxurious. Will definitely upgrade to a newer one when it's time, but I'm a huge fan.
Anything over 150k that immediatly drops 50% in value is underrated.
What car does that?
If i wouldnt enjoying the silence and perfect glide of my Taycan, it would be my Porsche choice.
I had a 4S and it was a great car!
Love the Panamera, I’d def cop one of these if I had a lot of money and wanted a daily driver sedan, my personal choice would be the 4S E-Hybrid trim though
Over priced vs it's competition in the price range.
Panamera gts vs 8 gran coupe vs RS 7. What would you recommend?
I like this one but, I think that take out the Sport Turismo from catalogue was a huge mistake.
I was inclined to go with a Panamera (here in Europe). But I wouldn't be allowed to write it off as business. So I decided to go with the Taycan and hell yeah, I'm enjoying! So far so good
The Panamera has always been my favorite Porsche. Especially the sport turismo!!!
No one AND I repeat No one is “Sleeping on” a Porsche. Thats like saying people are sleeping on pizza, everyone knows pizza is the GOAT.
Beautiful car man. My dream.. From Brazil.
I don't think people are sleeping on it, it's just not a very exciting model compared to all the other models except maybe the macan and cayenne. Interestingly here in europe you could get a 4.0 litre V8 diesel Panamera with 422 hp and 850 nm of torque. People have remapped to over 500hp.
And I think that's exactly why people have been overlooking the Panamera. It's not exciting but highly well-rounded and kicks butt in terms of handling & performance
@@CarswithMiles
I am pretty convinced that it's Porsche's wheelhouse, they like corner dynamics and overall robustness. They don't really concern themselves with straight line speed, tho they can do that. They are not (mostly out of experience) in the HP game, they don't really care if that number is the highest unless they have to. They have a car that looks good is mostly as a matter of those dynamics and little else, but, to quote Ferry Porsche, "We have the only car that can go from an East African safari to Le Mans then to the theatre and then to the streets of New York." He was saying that about, of course, the 911... That said, it describes what the company has been after in every single thing that they make since it's creation 76 years ago. The signature image of a Porsche is how it attacks a corner at full chat, or at Le Mans.
Sure, that is a bit boring but boring works.
I can't even afford to sleep near a panamera
IMO it's not that people don't know how good the car is, it's that a fully optioned RS7, M5 or E63 cost less than a base model Panamera with minimal options. It's a great car but it's priced much higher than its competitors
Hi Miles, did you manage to see how the fuel consumption rate (km / Litre) is like on hybrid mode for the 4E?
The taycan is going to be a no go as long as they have that terrible center console. Change that and continue improvements to range and it’s a winner
Its comfortable enough for me to sleep in it
Porsche Practicality TM. Hey Porsche, you're free to use that for marketing
what happened to the split spoiler folding thingy! best thing about the previous model
They still have it in the higher end sport Panamera models
@@CarswithMiles thank god
I've been sleeping on this channel. Subscribed 👍
A beautiful car better than a6 always loved it
Panamera isn't underrated, it's just forgettable when among side GT63S, M8 GC and M5, RS7 e RS6, CTV and the list goes on
You can review my turbo when it comes in the next few months
Deal
Great review bro!
Cool video Miles!
Holy Moly! 400 miles on a full tank?? Sheee how big is that dam tank?
400 isn't a crazy amount for a 20 combined, my 23 combined mercedes gets 550 with a massive tank.
Let this car come with cameras and A.I. in car lawyer it would be the number one selling car among American middle class.
kinda miss the old spoiler
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Yeah They Should've Kept That
Man I’ve gotta go drive one
I wouldn’t call it a sedan, it’s more close to a Sportback or a shooting-brake
No one is sleeping on this Porsche. Porsche people simply don’t want to deal with one of the least desired and highest deprecation models. Non-Porsche people simply don’t want to get an Evergreen cargo ship rammed up their arse whenever it needs service.
I have loved these since they first came out, which has been a tough position to have since they were pretty ugly. Fortunatly, these last few generations of the panamera have made they drool worthy. Especially the wagon which they have unfortunately killed off.
Good video, hold this sub and hold this thumbs up
Technically technically, Mercedes 500E is the first sedan Porsche ever made 🤔
Pls get a speed timer thats not an app on ur phone. It dosent work
It's an app connected to a physical device in the car getting drag time data
What makes you think it doesn’t work. Would love an explanation.
Didn’t know my couch was German
Thats a good car and good vid
My friend has the exact car, the car is amazing, but the motor is absolute crap. The 4.4 to 60 is only with a porsche launch, it doesnt feel quick at all punching it on the highway. More importantly, the v6 sounds terrible. Highly recommend you shell out for a v8 model.
Sleeping on one suggests everyone has $100k laying around to spend on a car.
Thank you ,safe be and Happy Labor Day 2024 🥕🥕🥕🥕 .amen 🇺🇸
Tycan is much smaller inside
I probably would already own a panamera if it could seat 5.
I have to sleep bec I can only drive that car in my dreams
I HAVE been sleeping on this Porsche 😂
I don't get launch control. I guess if youre still mentally 18 years old or a use the car for pro drag racing its cool. But on a daily driver? why ? To get from stop light to stop light quicker ?
But see... For the price of a Panamera 4S, I could get a fully loaded brand new Audi RS7 which has even more horsepower & Torque, plus just as many if not more features.
I'll be sleeping in this Porsche
guy sounds like the white version of chapelle
This is marketed as a new model and not a facelift.
ewww depreciation on this is so funny
Powertrain has been improved, but car, overall, besides the new suspension which is pretty awkward, is way worst. Interior, full of black piano feels way worst ala Taycan. Alluminum is gone, digital screen shouts price reduction and man… no ST version? Are we serious. No way this car is better than its predecessor.
It’s tycon not tycan.
Well, most of their cars are likely overrated, so I guess the odd "underrated" one in their lineup might help keep things closer to reality.
wait a year and you'll pay half of this..
The day I see a 971 for
Wow! I didn’t know Kemba Walker was a car reviewer now?? 😳
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Look for a mercedes 500e and share your experience
Ayyyyy🔥🔥
Was advised by a Porsche Adviser that they are expensive to repair!
I'm not surprised. Lots of complicated electronics stuff going on in there
Panamera is the better car.
We broke bro 😢
All good tech till things starts to break 😮then it breaks again & when it breaks the bank 🏦 trying to fix shit..then after you fix all the shit it gets stolen for the second time (yeah thanks ..but no thanks👎🏽)
so its porsches rs5
It sounds no different to the audi S7
Püh Shahhh
The worst Porsche, if i want a 4 door might as well the SUV
LOL. Miles trying to educate us on Porsche's Panamera. The car came out in 2009, and it's an ugly vehicle. Not underrated, it's just ugly.
No genius, no one is sleeping on this, just waiting for list less 70% at 2 years
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lol are you seeing 2023s or even 2022s at 30% value rn?
They made it uglier :-/
Sleeping, please. Don’t nobody want an overpriced Volkswagen. 💯💯
they just can’t make a good looking panamera can they
I really like this generation actually
@@yazidncsdo3115 yeah this generation I feel they finally nailed
Id like to know what u drive to call this not good looking. Its gorgeous
@@G82Watts an m240i. the older gen.. an absolute beauty